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Channel log from 8 December 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:51 | <work_alkisg> vagrantc (for when you're online), wrt LP #1257642, encryption is needed even for local swap partitions, right? (because if not, we can easily avoid the UUID problem by not calling mkswap there)
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| 11:41 | <khildin> hi all... I have a question
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| 11:41 | I have a windows multipoint server 2010 here which has its clients connected through USB
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| 11:42 | is there any way to do the same with LTSP so the clients get a linux desktop.... ***trhough USB connection***
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| 11:42 | ??
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| 11:42 | the clients are HP thin cl;ients
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| 11:42 | or am I bound to use Userfull solution??
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> khildin: ltsp is about clients that have CPUs, not about dedicated hardware devices like zeroclients
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| 11:52 | So for those clients you need the dedicated solution that accompanies the hardware, yeah
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| 11:52 | <khildin> hi alkisg.. thnx
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| 11:52 | you know what would be my best bet?... I am currently in Senegal and need to switch windows multipoint 2010 with opensource
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| 11:53 | I have seen Userfull....
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| 11:53 | is that the only solution??
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> Probably, check also if HP provides any solution. I haven't heard of any open source project about those devices.
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| 11:53 | <khildin> that you know if
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| 11:54 | that would be too bad... since all fat clients are all running edubuntu... and having 6 thin clients with windows kind of messes up the environment...
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> You could run an LTSP server in a VM inside the windows solution
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| 11:55 | <khildin> so I am looking for a multiseat sollution on linux... perferably ubuntu based
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> Multiseat in Linux is about multiple monitors/keyboards etc, not about zeroclients
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| 11:55 | <khildin> but how am I goint to pass the desktop to the thin clients then?
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| 11:56 | but it IS a multiseat solution... as far as I understood
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> With e.g. x2goclient from inside their windows session
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| 11:56 | There are multiple kinds of multiseat environments
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| 11:56 | <khildin> I could try x2go then...
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| 11:57 | what kinds you know off?... since I am searching... but only Userfull came up...
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| 11:57 | probably I use the wrong search arguments... ;)
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> For 6 clients, I'd just buy a few real thin clients, for a few $$ each
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| 11:58 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiseat_configuration
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| 11:58 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
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| 11:58 | <khildin> well... the windows solution with 6 clients was donated by an US organisation.... And I just found the stuff lying around in the school I am helping out
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> If you're going to spend e.g. 50 hours to get it right, and 6 old thin clients cost 100€, that would mean you work for less than 2€ per hour
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| 11:59 | <khildin> multiseat on ubuntu looks promising...
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| 11:59 | hahahahah I work for 0 already... ;)
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> :)
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| 12:00 | <khildin> would ubuntu multiseatX work with ***USB*** clients??
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> No
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| 12:00 | <khildin> only with networked clients
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> No
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| 12:00 | <khildin> ??
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> LTSP == networked clients
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| 12:01 | Zero clients == usb, special hardware, multiseat
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| 12:01 | X multiseat = multiple usb keyboards and monitors on the same server without special hardware
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| 12:01 | <khildin> the HP clients connect directly to the 'server' wich currently runs windows 2010 multipoint server
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> LTSP isn't multiseat, it's multi... client
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| 12:02 | <khildin> I probably should check what the HP 'clients' do... maybe they just are a gateway for mouse, screen, keyboard and sound
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| 12:03 | I should have written the type of those HP clients....
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| 12:03 | now I can't look them up
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| 12:03 | bah... :)
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| 12:04 | it is not that easy to get an internet connection overhere.... the school is on an island without ....
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| 12:04 | I am now on shore in an internet cafe
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| 12:06 | in senegal
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> I think in your place I would leave the school to use windows :)
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| 12:09 | <khildin> then the classroom will have a multi OS environment.... that isn't too easy to teach to children that know little about computers... but maybe you are right
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> I mean that I would switch the edubuntu computers to use windows terminal services too
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| 12:09 | <khildin> and get some 'real' thin clients when I get back...
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> And there on Windows, I would use any FLOSS program I could...
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| 12:10 | <khildin> it is not terminal services...
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| 12:10 | and there are no licences for that
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> It's a kind of terminal services, you have multiple users
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| 12:10 | You need licenses there afaik
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| 12:10 | E.g. 4 users are not allowed to run msoffice, photoshop etc simultaneously with the same license
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| 12:10 | <khildin> I I definately don't want to promote pirating software
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> If you don't have the licenses, you already do :)
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| 12:11 | <khildin> the software on the server has been donated by USAid.... and has 6 licenses
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| 12:12 | but they more or less dumped the server and clients.... and now they are lying around...
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| 12:12 | it works... but that's about it
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| 12:12 | see the 'challenge'??
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> Does it have 6 licenses for every software, or just for windows CALs?
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| 12:13 | <khildin> I only checked for windows calls
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> All the rest == pirated
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| 12:13 | <khildin> don't know for office.... but Libreoffice will be installed anyway
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| 12:13 | anyway... it would be best if I can switch to linux for multiseat
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> Why multiseat instead of read thin/fat clients?
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| 12:14 | *real
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| 12:14 | <khildin> cos the clients are not real thin clients
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| 12:14 | the ooption could be to get some real thin clients....
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> OK, then you mean to switch to userful, not to e.g. multiseat x...
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| 12:16 | <khildin> hmm... I have to know what the HP clients exactly do and can then
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> If they connect with usb, forget multiseat X :)
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| 12:17 | <khildin> multiseat x is only networked?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> No, it's about NOT having clients
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| 12:17 | Having only monitors and keyboards and mouse
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| 12:18 | <khildin> how are multiple monitors connected to a single cumpoter then?.... have multiple video cards??
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 12:18 | E.g. 3 cards with 3 outputs each => 9 seats
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| 12:18 | <khildin> that's not the way I guess
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| 12:19 | this set has only 1 video output
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| 12:20 | the HP client connects through USB to the server.... and on the HP client there is a connection for video, mouse, keyboard and audio
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> Yes, I know... it's the zeroclients I've been telling you about all the time :)
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| 12:20 | <khildin> and on the server I have like 8 or more USB ports
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> The only related solution I know of for linux, is userful
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| 12:20 | <khildin> yeah... right... it is starting to het to me now.... :)
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> Some people here have switched from userful to ltsp because it sucked
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| 12:21 | So I never bothered to look into it for details...
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| 12:21 | That (it sucked) probably was the reason for the donation, too :D
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| 12:21 | <khildin> so the best thing is to switch to real thin clients and implement LTSP...
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> Real fat clients, not thin
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| 12:22 | <khildin> ok... that to save some memory on the server
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> Thins are mostly for when the $$ are not enough to buy fats :D
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| 12:22 | No, to be able to run multimedia apps like browsers more smoothly
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| 12:22 | !flash
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| 12:22 | <ltsp> flash: Yes, flash sucks. An HD full screen 30 fps video needs 2.5 Gbps bandwidth (1920×1080×4×30)! Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like http://linterna-magica.nongnu.org
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> ...2.5 Gbps of bandwidth per client ... is a good reason to prefer fats
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| 12:24 | <khildin> full hd is out of the question... highest resolution we have here is 1366*768
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> And you have 10 gbps bandwidth?
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| 12:25 | <khildin> nope.... 1Gb
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| 12:25 | on local lan
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> Because 1366*768=1.5 Gb per client
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| 12:25 | Multiply that with 10 clients...
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| 13:00 | <khildin> andygraybeal, ping
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| 13:00 | how is life my friend
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| 13:33 | <andygraybeal> khildin, things are good.
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| 13:33 | i'm in a totally different world now.
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| 13:33 | <khildin> me too
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| 13:33 | I am in Senegal...
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| 13:33 | <andygraybeal> i'm working at a farm. i just had a kid two weeks ago... he is still in NICU... 2.5 hours away from me.
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| 13:33 | senegal, i hav to look that up.
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| 13:34 | <khildin> africa
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| 13:34 | <andygraybeal> you were in ireland right?
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| 13:34 | <khildin> west coast
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| 13:34 | no... Belgium
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| 13:34 | <andygraybeal> aah belgium yes.
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| 13:34 | tell me what your doing.
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| 13:34 | <khildin> but now for 3 weeks in Senegal.... 100miles south east of Dakar
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| 13:34 | <andygraybeal> why are you there?
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| 13:34 | <khildin> setting up a network on a school
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| 13:35 | installing zentyal on the main server as we speak
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| 13:35 | <andygraybeal> aah very awesome, you are very lucky... i would love to do such work for kids.... they would actually appreciate my efforts.. i hate adults and their horrible mindset.
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| 13:35 | are you using 3.0 w/ samba 4 ?
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| 13:35 | <khildin> zentyal 3.2 with samba4
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| 13:36 | <andygraybeal> are things working well? are any windows machines involved?
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| 13:36 | <khildin> there is a windows multipoint server... but all other clients are edubuntu
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| 13:36 | <andygraybeal> hahah multipoint server...
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| 13:37 | <khildin> ssshhhhhhhhhhhh
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| 13:37 | <andygraybeal> what a waste of resources and money
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| 13:37 | hahahahah
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| 13:37 | :)
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| 13:37 | <khildin> not my choice... it was a donation of USAid
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| 13:37 | <andygraybeal> i hope your trying to phase that out?
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| 13:37 | <khildin> yup... looking at userful now
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| 13:37 | <andygraybeal> USAid.. brought to you by microsoft, the philanthropists.
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| 13:37 | <khildin> something like that
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| 13:38 | <andygraybeal> i've not heard of Userful
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| 13:38 | just setup LTSP and be done yes? like you said, edubuntu
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| 13:38 | <khildin> userful.com.... check it out
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| 13:38 | <andygraybeal> okay
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| 13:38 | why use multiseat when you can use terminal server?
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| 13:38 | <khildin> the 'clients' donated are HP zeroclients without networking
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| 13:39 | they connect through USB
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| 13:39 | <andygraybeal> i have used userful
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| 13:39 | <khildin> again.... not my choice
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| 13:39 | <andygraybeal> it was a long time ago
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| 13:39 | it hardly scales!
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| 13:39 | but i understand, the philanthropy
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| 13:39 | <khildin> so you are the expert in configuring that.... :P
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| 13:39 | <andygraybeal> juaahahaha no, i just go tit to work, i'm no expert at all
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| 13:40 | it costs money right?
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| 13:40 | <khildin> DON 'T RUN AWAY NOW
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| 13:40 | lol
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| 13:40 | <andygraybeal> so these zeroclients don't have a network port in'em?
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| 13:40 | <khildin> in the world of blink 1-eye is king you know
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| 13:41 | <andygraybeal> wow, in the world of blink, 1-eye is king... i've never heard that saying.
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| 13:41 | <khildin> blind*
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| 13:41 | <andygraybeal> you can't get these HP zeroclients to accidentally get on a network?
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| 13:41 | <khildin> no... there is no network interface
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| 13:41 | <andygraybeal> blasted!!!!
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| 13:42 | <khildin> that is what I said a gazillion times already
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| 13:42 | <andygraybeal> what are people thinking.
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| 13:43 | <khildin> and getting the install files isn't easy .... on the island where the school is... no internet....
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| 13:43 | <andygraybeal> you are awesome.
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| 13:43 | <khildin> and here on the mainland.... I have a whopping 100Kb/s
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| 13:43 | <andygraybeal> hahahah
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| 13:43 | you are definetly awesome.
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| 13:44 | <khildin> yeah yeah... awesome... and blessed whit a lot of patience and coffee
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| 13:44 | <andygraybeal> who is funding you, how did you wind up here?
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| 13:44 | i have to loook up HP zerolcient
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| 13:44 | <khildin> a dutch foundation.... is run by a friend of mine and he asked me to come over...
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| 13:45 | if you can do that for me and fill me in cos connection is BAD here....
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| 13:45 | <andygraybeal> are you on irc on shell? or on local client?
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| 13:46 | <khildin> I just talked with alkisg and already told him I should have written down the type of HP zeroclient we have
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| 13:46 | I have xchat
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| 13:46 | <andygraybeal> ok
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| 13:46 | you know, i'm of no use... accept for chatting it up :)
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| 13:46 | <khildin> lmao
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| 13:47 | <andygraybeal> so how scalable is this multipoint stuff.. maybe 10 clients tops?
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| 13:47 | am i out of my mind?
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| 13:47 | not even multipoint, but userful... multiheadedness... etc. .hwatever it's called.
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| 13:47 | <khildin> dunno.... but I only have 6 clients
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| 13:48 | <andygraybeal> they are gonna pay you more than buying networkable thinclients would be....
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| 13:48 | can you do... some type of ethernet over usb awfulness?
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| 13:49 | and pxe boot like so? that seems like another nightmare..
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| 13:49 | nevermind that idea.. i will engage my own lashings for even mentioning it!
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| 13:50 | <khildin> multipoint is not thin client...
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| 13:50 | <andygraybeal> no i understand, i'm saying get rid of multipoint!
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| 13:50 | and try and get those zeroconfs to be thinclients!
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| 13:50 | then hook'em up to regular edubuntu :)
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| 13:50 | isn't the xconf a nightmare? right?
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| 13:52 | what model do you have?
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| 13:52 | did you say you forgot?
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| 13:53 | <khildin> I have no means to buy that would be the best option yes
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| 13:53 | <andygraybeal> hp 310 ?
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| 13:53 | you think they will pay you more to fuss with this (short term and long term) than purchasing regular thinclients?
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| 13:55 | the HP 310 has nic. you must have different model
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| 13:55 | *t310
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| 13:56 | <khildin> I didn't write the type... but they might well be hp 310'S
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| 13:56 | oh... they have NO nic
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal> hmmm each of these hp zeroclients have nics..
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| 13:56 | <khildin> so not the 310's
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| 13:56 | I am 100% the rubbish they gave has no nic
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| 13:56 | <andygraybeal> i'm lookin at the the 3xx,4xx,5xx series
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| 13:56 | no i believe you
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| 13:56 | i'm trying to find what yuo got
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| 13:56 | <khildin> hehe
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| 13:58 | but for now I will have a go with userful
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| 13:58 | downloading install files and manual
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| 13:58 | <andygraybeal> doesn't userful cost money?
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| 13:58 | <khildin> while installing zentyal server... multitasking eh...
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| 13:58 | yes... I think something like 30 bucks per client
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| 13:59 | <andygraybeal> one time purchase?
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| 13:59 | <khildin> yeah
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| 13:59 | at least it gives me an all edubuntu environment
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| 14:00 | <andygraybeal> so you boot the main multipoint machine on edubuntu?
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| 14:00 | and userful the other clients?
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| 14:00 | <khildin> that's the idea
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| 14:00 | <andygraybeal> i think the xorg conf would kill me ;)
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| 14:01 | hopefully userful manages all that well
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| 14:01 | <khildin> userfull makes the main machine share the screen with the clients
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| 14:01 | and they get there own session
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| 14:01 | though USB..... *uche uche*
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| 14:02 | <andygraybeal> hehehehehe
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| 14:02 | <khildin> through*
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| 14:02 | <andygraybeal> well good luck /me washes hands
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| 14:02 | heheheh
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| 14:03 | <khildin> maybe I should contact USAid..... and try to find the guy that thought it was a good idea to drop a multipoint server in the middle of nowhere in Africa
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| 14:03 | <andygraybeal> you wouldn't happen to by chance no have a good web-based "Todo" list that user multi-user and ldap-able ?
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| 14:03 | <khildin> hmm... no
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| 14:03 | <andygraybeal> hahahahahaha i'm sure it was bill gates himself.... are you kidding?
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| 14:03 | he's quite the philanthropist!
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| 14:04 | <khildin> then I have to get a big bat and hit him hard.... :P
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| 14:04 | <andygraybeal> multioint server isn't cheap.. no?
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| 14:04 | <khildin> I have absolutely no idea
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| 14:04 | <andygraybeal> well it's at least not free ... and i'm sure not $30/client
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| 14:05 | <khildin> the weird thing is... they didn't bother to activate the client licenses, while they are there
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| 14:05 | <andygraybeal> so it's out of the question to purchase a 10dollar usb dongle?
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| 14:05 | and try to pxe that shiat?
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| 14:05 | i mean usb - ethernet dongle
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| 14:05 | <khildin> dongle with usb to ethernet??
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| 14:05 | <andygraybeal> i doubt that would be possible though.
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| 14:05 | pxe a usb-ethernet....
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| 14:06 | you'd have to test and make sure driver supported that crap
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| 14:06 | before suggesting it as a solution
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| 14:06 | <khildin> hmm...
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| 14:06 | <andygraybeal> i'm looking up now...
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| 14:06 | <khildin> maybe I can get a dongle in Dakar
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| 14:07 | <andygraybeal> it would need to be well supported to run pxe i would think
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| 14:07 | good driver suport not random
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| 14:07 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/293068/usb-ethernet-dongle-pxe-support
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| 14:08 | <khildin> question is, if there is enough (any) memory in the zeroclients
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| 14:08 | cos for pxe you need at least some
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| 14:09 | <andygraybeal> aah
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| 14:09 | k.. i didn't connect the dots on that.
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| 14:10 | <andygraybeal> so it's on an island.. the kids?
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| 14:10 | <khildin> I will have to look up the type of the zeroclient
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| 14:10 | yes
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| 14:10 | on an island
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| 14:10 | <andygraybeal> you are wild :)
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| 14:10 | <khildin> ile de Mar
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| 14:11 | about 100-120 km south-east of Dakar
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| 14:13 | <andygraybeal> google maps puts me in the mainland...
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| 14:13 | yes, you are wild :) very good for you
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| 14:14 | <khildin> https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=204156085136941213118.0004d6a90def5318bae9d
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| 14:15 | that's the exact location
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| 14:15 | it's an island in the river delta
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| 14:15 | <andygraybeal> aaaah okay
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| 14:15 | very cool
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| 14:16 | i wasn't thinking river delta i understand
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| 14:16 | hahaha yes, nuts :) extreme computing in a sense.
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| 14:16 | <khildin> :)
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| 14:16 | <andygraybeal> do they have power infrastructure?
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| 14:16 | <khildin> solar
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| 14:16 | also implemented by the foundation I support
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| 14:17 | <andygraybeal> k
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| 14:18 | that is wild :)
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| 14:19 | <khildin> is your french any good?.... the project page of the foundation is available in dutch and french
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| 14:19 | http://www.zegaaneenschoolbouwen.nl/fr-actualite.html
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| 14:20 | <andygraybeal> no i am a typically ignorant member of the united states... i use google translate
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| 14:20 | <khildin> hehe
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| 14:20 | my french is getting better every day.... :P
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| 14:23 | <andygraybeal> that is fun.
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| 14:24 | i hate to be the negative guy in the room.. but sometimes i see philanthropy as what early missions did to natives...
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| 14:24 | overall it is good.. but the whole very expensive solution that is hardly sustainable.. when there is a free and sustainable way to do it...
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| 14:25 | softwarewise.. wow.
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| 14:25 | i feel bad for you, you will figure it out.
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| 14:27 | i hope they appreciate and respect your work.
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| 14:29 | keep me posted, i am interested in your outcome!
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| 14:29 | how long is your stay?
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| 14:30 | <khildin> i ĺl be here for 2 more weeks.... 3.5 weeks in total
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| 14:31 | <andygraybeal> did you have to get shots to be there?
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| 14:32 | <khildin> yes....
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| 14:34 | <andygraybeal> how are you doing this without internet access on the island?
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| 14:34 | <khildin> haha.... no time for internet there
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| 14:36 | <andygraybeal> what does that mean?
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| 14:37 | <khildin> that i am busy so much i don't have time to lurk on internet.... :)
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| 14:37 | i am now cos i need to install the server
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| 14:37 | <andygraybeal> that' is what i'm getting at!!!
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| 14:38 | how can you even get this work done w/o the internet (not lurking)
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| 14:38 | <khildin> I had a lot on an external disk
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| 14:38 | and a ot already was prepared at home
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| 14:39 | <andygraybeal> ah okay
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| 14:39 | that is a nther dimension of effort that i cannot imagine :)
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| 14:40 | <khildin> most work was getting the network installed
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| 14:40 | <andygraybeal> ah neat!!
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| 14:41 | <khildin> i bought some nice wifi ap's
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| 14:41 | <andygraybeal> ah cool, what brand?
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| 14:42 | if there is enough money in your next venture, keep me in mind!
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| 14:42 | i wil have to get a visa to leave the country
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| 14:42 | or whatever it is called, passport
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| 14:43 | i would love to be an apprentice of such things!
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| 14:44 | <khildin> engenius ecb 350
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| 14:45 | <andygraybeal> ah never heard
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| 14:45 | will look it up now
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| 14:45 | <khildin> 3 pieces
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| 14:45 | and a switch with PoE
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| 14:46 | :) sure can use any help
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| 14:46 | maybe I go again in April next year
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| 14:47 | for another challenge: internet connection over wifi with a distance of 5 km
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| 14:47 | <andygraybeal> microwave?
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| 14:47 | 5km... geesh :)
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| 14:47 | line of site?
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| 14:53 | i have no idea about wireless internet of that :)
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| 15:01 | <khildin> yeah there is a line of sight
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| 15:01 | i use a watertower close by the school for extra hight
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| 15:01 | at least that is the idea
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| 15:05 | <khildin> wb alkisg
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| 15:07 | * alkisg waves | |
| 15:07 | <khildin> i am gonna try userful.... lets see how it works
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> khildin: if you ever have any spare jobs there, ping me :P
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| 15:08 | <khildin> enough work... but no pay...
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| 15:08 | i am doing this for 0
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| 15:08 | only thing what is payed is travel and living
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| 15:09 | but still.... amazing overhere....
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| 15:09 | i already said... if this isn't paradise... what is??
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| 15:13 | * alkisg wholeheartedly agrees | |
| 15:15 | <khildin> alkisg, you are in greece right?
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 15:15 | It was a paradise here too, before the fake crisis...
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| 15:15 | <khildin> yeah....
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| 15:15 | EU sucks
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| 15:16 | too many people that grab aas much money as they can get
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| 15:43 | i am gone for today... bye
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hi! got time for chitchat? E.g. I want to set ENCRYPTED_SWAP=False by default for local swap disks, and increase the default NBD_RAM_THRESHOLD to 2100 for fat clients...
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| 20:37 | I got reports about fat clients with 1 GB RAM hanging when they opened multiple programs, and increasing the NBD_RAM_THRESHOLD fixed it...
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i was working on a reply to that
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah ok np I'll wait :)
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the short of it is i think it should be encrypted by default, which is probably no surprise to you :)
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> No problem, I can provide default values that suit schools here with our sch-scripts package
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| 20:42 | (I already did that for both of those variables today)
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| 20:43 | And, about NBD_RAM_THRESHOLD? Personally I would always use NBD swap except for the case when it's manually disabled, or there's local swap available...
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> it only enables ENCRYPTED_SWAP if cryptsetup is installed
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> It's Recommented, though
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| 20:44 | So it's there in the default installation
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| 20:44 | (at least in Debian, I think it's not in Ubuntu, but I'm using your packaging :))
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> the NBD_RAM_THRESHOLD does what? enabled NBD swap if below that number?
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 20:45 | In the current code I had set it to 300 for thin clients, 800 for fats
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| 20:45 | But for real life scenarios, 800 is too little for fat clients
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> obsese clients...
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> ...and actually 300 is too little for thins as well
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| 20:46 | vagrantc: does cryptsetup write to all the blocks of the swap disk that it prepares?
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| 20:46 | I.e., usually swap files are sparse, but if they're zero-filled, then their space is actually allocated in the server disk...
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> it's certainly imperfect encryption
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| 20:47 | it doesn't overwrite the whole space
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> anyone paranoid enough to worry about that shouldn't be using networked swap
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> So, if swap has low overhead for the server (sparse files etc), do you see any issues in bumping NBD_RAM_THRESHOLD to e.g. 800 MB for thin clients and 2100 for fat clients?
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: other than balking at the idea of needing swap at all with those numbers, no. :)
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| 20:49 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 20:49 | <alkisg> Yeah, especially thin clients shouldn't have to suffer with firefox and libreoffice's X pixmaps and all...
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| 20:50 | 500 mb ram just for image caching is awful
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| 20:51 | vagrantc: ah, so, for local swap, if we want it encrypted by default, I guess we'll have to read the current UUID, right?
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg: which is impossible
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| 20:53 | well, should be
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> blkid prints it
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> at least, once it's been encrypted
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> the encrypted swap implementation uses throw-away keys
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> So the UUID is not in some header, but it's inside the encrypted space?
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> should be
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> OK, that's actually good, I can just close the bug report without committing any code about it :)
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| 20:55 | * alkisg is fine with defaulting to ENCRYPTED_SWAP=False and UUID not being modified there | |
| 21:03 | <vagrantc> defaulting LTSP to encrypted_swap=false?
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| 21:03 | * vagrantc brbs | |
| 21:03 | <alkisg> No no just sch-scripts
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> ah, ok.
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