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04:56 | <RobertBerger_> ping
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04:56 | <Appiah> pong
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04:56 | <RobertBerger_> Hi appiah
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04:57 | I odered a server with a AMD Phenom II X4 should I install the 64 bit AMD version on Ubuntu 9.04 LTSP there, or the 32 bit version?
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04:58 | the clients are all old 32 bit machines
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04:58 | <Appiah> if I had a server with 64bit processor i'd run 64bit
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04:58 | you can build a 32bit image for the clients
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04:59 | <RobertBerger_> How would you build the 32bit image in ubuntu?
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04:59 | <Appiah> ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
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04:59 | and you're all set
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04:59 | <RobertBerger_> I see thanks!
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04:59 | So I'll download the 64 bit images
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05:00 | <Appiah> yupp you can get the 64bit Ubuntu
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05:10 | <knipwim> hmm, i can't seem to start into fluxbox on my new server
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05:11 | i can log in with ssh and x forwarding works
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05:12 | removing the LDM_SESSION = /usr/bin/fluxbox in lts.conf works but starts the default Xsession
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05:12 | i checked settings between my old (works) and new server
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05:12 | am i missing something?
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05:27 | <RobertBerger_> googlin for "Ubuntu AMD64 Desktop Phenom" I saw problems with ubuntu 8.10 and 7.10 has this been revolved with 9.04?
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05:56 | <Appiah> RobertBerger_: what problems? that's very vauge
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05:58 | <RobertBerger_> Appiah: I like this one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-January/170313.html
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05:59 | <Appiah> well I dont see a confirmation about the problem
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06:00 | could have been a bug with mainboard?
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06:00 | <RobertBerger_> I saw also other posts where people are happier with their ubuntu 9.04 AMD64 than with Windoze, but this does not mean much;)
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06:01 | <Appiah> :D
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06:01 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ try some searching here
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06:02 | so you can see if there are actully confirmed bugs that has to do with Phenom
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06:02 | it could be other hardware and have nothing to do with the CPU at all
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06:05 | <RobertBerger_> Appiah: There do not seem to be any specific bugs at all with the Phenom processor, just related to other HW, as you already mentioned
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07:00 | <Blinny> What's the current thinking on flash crashes in 64-bit Ubuntu Hardy? I've read how some versions of flash work better than others - Should I just use the supplied package?
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07:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> blinny: flash crashes?
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07:03 | <Blinny> Only about 10 times a day...
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07:04 | (for my user.. others more)
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07:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> blinny: I am unfamiliar withthe entire concept. Does it have to do with USB flash keys?
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07:05 | <Blinny> I'm sorry. No, libflashplayer
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07:06 | flashplugin-nonfree
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07:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh
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07:06 | <Blinny> (;
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07:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> is that running as a localapp or from the server?
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07:07 | <Blinny> From the server.
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07:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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07:08 | what does the crash look like?
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07:09 | <Blinny> Well, because it's 64-bit (nspluginwrapper) it doesn't take down Mozilla. But all the flash apps just show as gray boxes.
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07:09 | I've even tried Firefox's flashblock extension so I have to click each app to load, thinking perhaps fewer instances per page would help.
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07:10 | I think perhaps my gmail notifier plugin may be involved though - after a flash crash, the sound that plays to notify of new mail plays just static. Perhaps it uses flash to play the sound.
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07:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh
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07:13 | <Blinny> Maybe I'll try the v10 64-bit alpha
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07:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> blinny: try this script I have put together. I run it to install on 9.04 and it's worked for me 100% of the time.
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07:28 | <Blinny> OK shoot
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07:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> http://twiki.acurrus.com/cgi-bin/twiki/viewfile/Main/InstallX64components?rev=1;filename=install-flash10-x64.sh
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07:30 | follow that link
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07:30 | chmod it to +x and run it on your server
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07:30 | be sure to purge the old flash files prior to installing
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07:30 | <Blinny> Yes. Do I have to killall flash?
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07:31 | I just had someone call me saying their browser keeps disappearing (l;
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07:31 | or will it simply need a reload
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07:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> naw, just aptitude purge <name of flash program>.
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07:31 | I'm not sure which version you have :)
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07:31 | <Blinny> Dig.
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07:33 | Hmm Let's try that again. I got a gzip unexpected EOF. Maybe bad download
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07:33 | There.
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07:34 | That worked. Thank you, _UsUrPeR_. Do you know of any downside to using the 64-bit plugin (other than a crash taking out the entire browser instance?)
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07:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> Blinny: nope. I have not experienced any crashes as of yet.
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07:35 | if your thin clients can handle it, I would recommend you try installing flash as a localapp though.
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07:35 | <Blinny> Yeh, most of mine can't. And I don't think Hardy can support a localapps easily can it?
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07:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh right :)
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07:37 | no, it won't work
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07:37 | <Blinny> Cheers.
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08:33 | <vagrantc_> ok, i'm looking at tagging ltsp-trunk today
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08:59 | <alkisg> Woah, freenx over adsl is sweeeeet! :) 100 times better than vnc on local network!
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09:44 | <stgraber> sbalneav: ping
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09:49 | * vagrantc_ waves to stgraber | |
09:54 | <stgraber> hey vagrantc_
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09:54 | any other changes you're doing on ltsp-trunk or should we tag+release what's currently there ?
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09:55 | <vagrantc_> stgraber: i just tagged 5.1.79
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09:55 | and pushed
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09:55 | <stgraber> oh, you just did :)
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09:55 | <vagrantc_> a little more testing, and i'll upload to debian
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09:56 | this was pretty much the "hacking at debconf" upload
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09:58 | now that it's probably obsolete, debian finally split inputattach out of the joystick package :)
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10:01 | <ogra> heh
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10:01 | why should it be obsolete
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10:02 | there is still no better solution for serial mice
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10:02 | <vagrantc_> oh, well, good, then.
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10:03 | i was thinking with all the new input handlers, it was probably obsoleted by now, but thankfully there are others who know what they're talking about :)
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10:03 | <ogra> well, the new design will handle serial even worse
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10:04 | since it relies completely on the kernel being able to autodetect HW
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10:04 | <vagrantc_> here's to progress!
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10:04 | <johnny> one day the serial mices will all die..
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10:04 | * vagrantc_ always liked the goal of autodetection with easy way to override | |
10:04 | <ogra> its a HW prob you cant solve in SW
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10:05 | th eonly way to detect a serial mouse is by getting input from the port (wiggle the mouse)
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10:05 | <vagrantc_> it's more mouse-like devices that i think most people need
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10:05 | well, the ones that are hanging on longer
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10:05 | <ogra> there are tons of really expensive serial devices you will trash if you start sending data to the serial port
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10:05 | <vagrantc_> wheee!
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10:06 | <johnny> ogra, sounds like a design flaw :(
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10:06 | <ogra> else it would be easily possible to send something and check the feedback
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10:06 | it is, serial isnt a very safe thing, thats why it went away over time :)
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10:06 | <vagrantc_> stgraber: were you planning on another upload soon?
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10:07 | <johnny> i'm just glad i haven't come into contact wit hsuch things in awhile
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10:09 | <vagrantc_> switching to inputattach saved the debian chroot nearly 90k of disk space!
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10:10 | <johnny> knipwim, sup? any updates?
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10:10 | <knipwim> just finished my new ltsp server
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10:11 | working on an updated text for the wiki
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10:11 | i'm making it in guidexml this time
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10:12 | <knipwim> then i can make the mediawiki-text using an xslt
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10:13 | <johnny> did you get commit access to the ebuilds ?
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10:13 | <knipwim> not yet
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10:13 | did you reply to donnie?
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10:13 | <johnny> yes
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10:14 | we need a todo list place
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10:14 | knipwim, the genkernel peeps just don't seem to have our interests in mind
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10:14 | we might want to consider using dracut
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10:15 | there are a few distro inconsistancies to solve.. but it doesn't look serious
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10:16 | <johnny> we can probably get our problems fixed easier with them
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10:16 | and even use nbd
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10:18 | <knipwim> what's the difficulty with genkernel?
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10:19 | <garymc> Hi, I have just purchased some second hand rack servers. Am i able to install and use LTSP on them?
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10:19 | They are HP Dual 2.8ghz 4 gb Ram machines
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10:19 | <johnny> garymc, why wouldn't you be able to?
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10:20 | just depends on how many clients
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10:20 | knipwim, the problem is the lack of net modules
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10:20 | <garymc> Well ive loaded LTSP on a computer as a moc test server and it loads a GUI
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10:20 | <johnny> and the hardcoded list with no ability to easily override
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10:20 | <garymc> Even the machine acting as a server
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10:20 | <johnny> moc?
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10:20 | <garymc> You know a test machine before buying the servers
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10:21 | MOC
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10:21 | <johnny> what does moc mean?
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10:21 | i just call it test
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10:21 | <garymc> It means FAKE
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10:21 | Or test
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10:21 | <johnny> that's mock
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10:21 | not moc
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10:21 | <garymc> I like MOC ;) quicker to type
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10:21 | <johnny> but it doesn't mean anything
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10:21 | <garymc> it does to me :)
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10:21 | <johnny> use words that actually mean something
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10:21 | but not to the people you talk to
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10:21 | <garymc> in future ill use mock
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10:22 | <johnny> well ubuntu is going to load a gui by default
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10:22 | unless you use alternative
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10:22 | for example
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10:22 | <garymc> so when setting up these servers do I have to turn monitors off in the bio etc
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10:22 | <johnny> same with fedora 11
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10:22 | or rather fedora in general
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10:22 | <garymc> Im using LTSP with FODEORA 10
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10:22 | <johnny> then yes.. it will install a gui unless you unselected it
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10:22 | jsut remove gdm from the runlevels
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10:22 | if you don't want it
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10:23 | <garymc> but will my clients get a gui when they boot from network card?
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10:23 | <johnny> sure
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10:23 | that's all handled in the chroot
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10:23 | <garymc> is it easy to configure that?
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10:23 | <johnny> configure what?
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10:23 | <garymc> I never seen a deselect GUI wehn I was installing
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10:23 | <johnny> there are commands to edit the runlevels
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10:23 | <garymc> but sounds like it must be there
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10:23 | oh ok
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10:24 | <johnny> i don't know them, but you can look them up
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10:24 | <garymc> Cool
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10:24 | <johnny> i just do stuff like find /etc/rc.d -name 'gdm' -exec rm {} \;
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10:24 | or whatever it may be
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10:25 | <garymc> I got 3 servers Dual 2.88 GHZ with 4mb Ram each SCSI drives two of each with 146gb on them
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10:25 | <johnny> your milage may vary
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10:25 | <garymc> | |
10:26 | Is that a good deal you reckon?
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10:26 | I thgouht it was so I get them 2morow
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10:27 | Well johnny thanks for answering my questions you have helped eleviate some of my thoughts
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10:31 | <knipwim> johnny: i could setup a wiki for collaboration
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10:31 | <johnny> a wiki isn't necessarily a good place for a todo list tho
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10:33 | <knipwim> it's a bit overkill indeed
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10:33 | but there's plenty of room to elaborate on a problem or idea
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11:44 | <vagrantc_> stgraber: if you wanted to do an upload with 5.1.79, it should be in incoming.debian.org for a while, and later the regular mirrors
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12:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> does anyone have any hints about mitigating 9.04's Intel video driver issue?
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12:41 | <vagrantc_> gah.
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12:42 | older pulseaudio doesn't support the parameter i just added.
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12:42 | thankfully, it doesn't need it.
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12:44 | <dberkholz> knipwim: sorry i haven't had a chance to get you access yet. i'm really busy trying to finish my ph.d
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12:53 | <knipwim> dberkholz: i know the feeling
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12:53 | <knipwim> when you have to cut down on any distractions
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13:35 | <cnc> Hello guys, have an issue with a couple Acer flat panel monitors. the screen auto adjusts way over to the right
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13:35 | the monitor ends up auto adjusting when the pc boots, when the ubuntu loading screen shots, and then when rdesktop opens up
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13:36 | it's a long shot, but are there any tricks to center the screen, or am I better off installing the monitor's driver on the windows TS
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13:43 | <Lns> Gadi: ^^ ? =)
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13:45 | <johnny> so did you think anymore on what i said lns?
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13:46 | i know there is linuxfund, but not sure how they are doing these days
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13:47 | <Lns> johnny: about what again? funding ..?
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13:47 | <johnny> yes
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13:47 | <cnc> Gadi: you around? lol
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13:47 | <cnc> also you guys know of any cheap thin clients other than www.disklessworkstations.com
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13:48 | <Blinny> cnc: We built our own using atom MBs, a single gig stick of RAM and small enclosures.
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13:48 | Came it at about $200 USD shipped, all from newegg
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13:48 | <cnc> Blinny: total cost for 1?
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13:48 | Blinny: nice, and you're using ltsp5?
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13:48 | <Lns> Blinny: wow..you have the newegg specs/urls?
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13:48 | <johnny> Lns, yes.. linuxfund seems to be doing ok
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13:49 | <Lns> johnny: refresh my memory, i have crc errors ;)
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13:49 | <johnny> i wonder if they would act as an umbrella organization
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13:49 | Lns, funding things that specifically help thin clients?
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13:49 | raising money
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13:49 | perhaps hiring developers?
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13:49 | <Lns> aaha
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13:50 | <johnny> Lns, also.. you might want to perhaps look into organizing gsoc or ghop projects for ltsp project
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13:50 | <Lns> johnny: it sounds like a good idea, let me check out linuxfund and see what they have to offer
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13:52 | http://www.opensourceforamerica.org/ - looks like a good place to rally support dollars..ltsp+public education...
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13:53 | <cnc> Lns: are you trying to find funding for ltsp in education?
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13:53 | <Lns> cnc: ltsp in general, but sure
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13:53 | <cnc> Lns: in the us, wouldn't be too hard. erate erate erate
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13:54 | lol
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13:54 | basically the government pays under privileged schools for technology
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13:54 | so lets say, a school district has 90% or more of kids that get free lunches (meaning their parents aren't rich)
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13:55 | 2 out of 5 years they get funded for as many servers/network devices as they need. they pay 10% and the government pays 90%
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13:55 | <Lns> wow
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13:55 | <cnc> The company I work for is an erate contractor, and we're trying to standardize the product/solution we put out there
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13:55 | <Lns> had no idea about that
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13:56 | cnc: what's your solution ?
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13:56 | <cnc> we sell a microsoft TS setup, complete with domain, but very very restricted access (things like no right clicking and etc)
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13:56 | 95% of users do nothing but work in TS
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13:56 | the other 5% run win95 legacy applications that just won't work on TS
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13:56 | in a nutshell
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13:57 | we use vmware, (working on switching to ubuntu+kvm)
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13:57 | virtualize all their servers, and I mean every single one
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13:57 | <Lns> wow, sounds a lot like what i do :)
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13:57 | <cnc> setup all desktops and thin clients to go straight to ts
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13:57 | <Lns> but i focus on open source ltsp solutions
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13:58 | <cnc> unfortenly the problem is windows/microsoft. if we could eliminate that, it would be awesome but we just haven't found a ts replacement yet thats linuxed based that can run windows apps
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13:58 | want to see what our setup looks like? i'll let you Ts in
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13:59 | <Lns> it's ok, but thanks =) what about ltsp? Use a Windows TS for the windows apps and use linux for the rest (desktop productivity, web browsing, etc)
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14:00 | <cnc> it's up to the client, they don't like using two different interfaces
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14:00 | they want to go one place and do everything
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14:00 | lol, they are schools, teachers aren't big on change
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14:02 | the company i work for is working with the state we are in, to get our solution to be the standard that every school in this state will use
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14:03 | and ltsp is part of that solution
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14:04 | <warren> Ryan52: ping
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14:04 | I plan on tagging ltsp-trunk later today
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14:04 | after I get the pulseaudio shm fix into fedora
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14:05 | <Blinny> cnc: sorry, work took me away. I did a quick search, and I think http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131396 is the board, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147134 is the case+PS, and you can get RAM anywhere. That and 10 minutes assembly, *poof* there's your thin client.
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14:05 | <Ryan52> warren: ok
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14:05 | <warren> Ryan52: did you have any time to look at fedora ltsp?
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14:05 | <johnny> hey warren :)
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14:05 | you gonna build a pidgin 2.6.0 for f11?
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14:05 | <warren> Ryan52: I'd actually appreciate it if you could figure out how the pulseaudio shm thing checked in for debian works
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14:05 | <johnny> :)
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14:06 | <warren> johnny: it isn't released yet
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14:06 | <johnny> i know
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14:06 | <Ryan52> warren: forgot to
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14:06 | <johnny> warren, i see you've done some dracut work too
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14:06 | <warren> johnny: yeah, it implements netboot over everything
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14:06 | <johnny> do you know what the future is in regards to choosing what kernel modules get included in the initramfs?
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14:06 | atm the default seems to be just a find
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14:06 | <warren> johnny: not really
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14:06 | <Ryan52> warren: what specifically are you talking about? if it's something on some ML/bug, I most likely don't read those.
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14:06 | <johnny> ahh too bad :(
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14:06 | <warren> Ryan52: no
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14:06 | Ryan52: look at ltsp-trunk
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14:07 | <johnny> warren, i see a gentoo developer got a commit in.. but still a bit more needs to be done
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14:07 | <warren> Ryan52: it is the issue where low memory clients don't startup because pulseaudio wants to allocate a default of <big number> for shm
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14:07 | Ryan52: but network pulseaudio doesn't even use shm
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14:07 | <johnny> but not alot it seems
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14:07 | <warren> Ryan52: so we should turn it off
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14:07 | <johnny> warren, so how are you doing lately?
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14:07 | <warren> johnny: been working on other stuff
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14:08 | <johnny> are you doing ok?
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14:08 | <warren> I suppose so.
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14:09 | <johnny> warren, i hope one of your fedora peeps gets on the ball with the 2.6.30 kernel update for f11 ..
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14:09 | * johnny needs his sound again :) | |
14:10 | <warren> johnny: is it fixed in the upstream kernel?
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14:10 | johnny: sound issues you really need to talk to alsa-project.org and upstream kernel
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14:10 | <johnny> i don't know.. i just know the patch is attached to a bug
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14:10 | <warren> johnny: we ship whatever is upstream
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14:10 | johnny: which?
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14:10 | <johnny> and the person commenting said it would be released in an upcoming 2.6.30
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14:10 | <warren> johnny: does that patch work for you?
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14:10 | <Blinny> cnc: My bad. Actually we use this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121383
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14:10 | <Lns> cnc: well i applaud your effort for this :) what state are you in?
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14:10 | <johnny> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506075
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14:11 | warren, i don't know how to build a kernel package with an attached patch yet
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14:11 | <Lns> cnc: and FYI...teachers embrace change whenever they understand the benefits.. it's not too difficult to communicate the benefits of using open source in education
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14:11 | <Blinny> cnc: Only thing we had to do was turn off the 2nd core, as it wouldn't boot otherwise.
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14:11 | <johnny> rpms that is
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14:12 | comment 17 is what i'm talking about
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14:13 | <warren> johnny: it seems we don't have 2.6.30 builds
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14:13 | <johnny> and yes it is in upstream
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14:13 | not yet :)
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14:14 | i don't know that chuck ebbert fella
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14:15 | * johnny is watching koji | |
14:16 | <bieb> this file says it is specific to Ubuntu 8.04.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LockdownHomeDirs anyone know if it still works for 9.04??
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14:16 | <johnny> warren, building kernels takes forever on my laptop .. so i've been trying to avoid it
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14:17 | especially just for a single patch :)
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14:17 | <warren> johnny: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/
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14:18 | * Lns goes to purchase replacement ram for his backup server & firewall...what's up with all this bad ram lately | |
14:18 | <warren> johnny: you could temporarily use one of the kernel builds here
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14:18 | johnny: try the latest 2.6.30 and 2.6.31 builds
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14:18 | <Lns> bieb: i'm sure it's ok for jaunty
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14:18 | <johnny> 2.6.30 doesn't include it for sure
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14:18 | <Lns> that's all basic linux stuff, not really even distro specific
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14:18 | <johnny> not yet
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14:18 | the last update was june
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14:19 | <warren> johnny: upstream what version contains it?
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14:19 | johnny: well try the 2.6.31, it might work depending on your video card
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14:19 | <johnny> that's the problem :(
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14:19 | <warren> Ryan52: damn, two problems in Fedora 12, pulseaudio daemon not starting on client, and vt's on VT2-6 are not starting despite lts.conf
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14:20 | Ryan52: both unknown reasons
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14:20 | Ryan52: ltsp-build-client --release=12
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14:20 | <johnny> i also wasn't familiar with what happens when you install a kernel for a different dist
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14:20 | <warren> Ryan52: oh, you need to upgrade rpm on Fedora 11 to install a Fedora 12 chroot.
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14:20 | <johnny> but i guess the kernel deps haven't changed all that much
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14:20 | <bieb> Lns: thanks... I was asking because I know some of the other doc's that are for earlier releases have been updated if there are directory changes
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14:20 | <warren> johnny: kernels are mostly OK
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14:20 | <johnny> yeah.. it's mostly self contained
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14:20 | mostly..
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14:20 | <Blinny> Lns: Any movement on your OOo slideshow pixmap problems?
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14:22 | <IBC_jkenney> Hello everyone i really could use some help i have LTSP deployment in we are running the server in VMware and are running intel atom boards with the GMA950 Video card and are having problems getting dual display to work correctly as far as Virtual resolution
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14:22 | I could really use a hand
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14:23 | <Lns> bieb: if you find it works, please update the wiki page
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14:24 | Blinny: it's on the milestone for 3.2 ? I think...check the OOo bug report
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14:24 | <bieb> Lns: ok
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14:25 | <Blinny> Lns: I'd chip in but we don't use Impress here.
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14:25 | * johnny needs to find who this chuck fella is | |
14:26 | <Lns> Blinny: chip in?
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14:27 | <Blinny> chime in / comment / lend credence / etc
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14:28 | <bieb> another config question.. Where is the logout time setting? I want to make it so when a student clicks Logout.. it doesn't wait 60 seconds.. maybe reduce it to 10 or 15
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14:28 | <Lns> ah
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14:33 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: where are you stuck?
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14:34 | <cliebow> Gadi Rocks!
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14:34 | <thaper> my laptop screen is too small - surrounded by a black border
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14:34 | any info here?
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14:34 | <Gadi> hey, cliebow
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14:34 | <cliebow> 8~_)
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14:35 | <Gadi> thaper: you can try setting X_VIRTUAL to your resolution
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14:36 | <garymc> Hi, I got a question, I am going to be running LTSP Fedora 10 on my Rack server
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14:36 | I have 3 servers the same
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14:36 | I want to link the other two to my ltsp server
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14:36 | server 2 will have asterisk on it
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14:37 | is it possible to use ltsp and my clients to have the astlinux server on their comp?
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14:37 | if you know what I mean
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14:38 | will they all linki and seem like one machine to my user
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14:38 | ?
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14:38 | <bieb> cliebow: hows it going?
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14:39 | <cliebow> ohh marking time this afternoon..using up perfectly good air
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14:39 | <bieb> lol
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14:39 | <warren> Ryan52: hmm, it turns out the client is failing to grab lts.conf for some reason
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14:39 | <bieb> cliebow: has there been a date set for BTS? or a tentative one?
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14:39 | <IBC_jkenney> Gadi I am stuck on LTSP not resizing the virtual screen based on the monitor screen resolution
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14:40 | <cliebow> we moved it office this morning so i'm dragging a bit between that and working all weekend
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14:40 | bieb:jammcq mentioned like oct 24 25 26..i believe..
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14:40 | <bieb> working the weekend in education??? What's that?
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14:40 | <cliebow> hee..no shingling
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14:40 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: did you specify X_VIRTUAL ?
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14:41 | <IBC_jkenney> in the xorg.conf file
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14:41 | <bieb> ok.. I will put that in... there is another possible conference that I may be asked to go to.. but if BTS is on the board first.. :D
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14:41 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: lts.conf
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14:41 | <IBC_jkenney> no
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14:41 | there is not alot of docs
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14:41 | <Gadi> hehe, I know :)
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14:41 | <cliebow> bieb, ill check with jam this week..
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14:41 | <bieb> cool
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14:41 | <IBC_jkenney> think you can gimmie a hand
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14:42 | <bieb> stgraber: ping
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14:42 | <Gadi> I can try
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14:42 | <cliebow> bieb: i ambuildong a house in my spare time
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14:42 | <Gadi> first, what resolutions are you after?
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14:42 | <IBC_jkenney> max 1440X900
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14:42 | on both displayes
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14:42 | <bieb> cliebow: ahhhh.. now I see why there is no "spare" time
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14:43 | <Gadi> ok, so... X_VIRTUAL = "2880 2880"
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14:43 | let;s see if we can do that much
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14:43 | this is an intel board?
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14:43 | <IBC_jkenney> ok gimmie a sic
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14:43 | Yeah
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14:44 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: also, make sure you have shell access
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14:44 | <Gadi> on the client
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14:44 | it'll come in handy
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14:44 | <IBC_jkenney> Yeah its a intel board with the GMA950 dual head video on the client
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14:44 | the server is vmware
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14:45 | <Gadi> where we're going... we don't need servers....
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14:46 | <IBC_jkenney> Ok i have a question
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14:46 | do i edit the lts file
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14:46 | <IBC_jkenney> on the ltsp file system then update the image
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14:46 | ?
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14:47 | so do i edit it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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14:47 | <johnny> no..
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14:47 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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14:48 | no need to update image then
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14:48 | <IBC_jkenney> ahh i do not have a lts.conf file in there
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14:48 | can i copy it from
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14:48 | /opt/ltsp/...
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14:49 | <warren> Ryan52: oh boy
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14:49 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: just create a new file
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14:49 | <warren> Ryan52: tftp client segfaulting
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14:49 | <Gadi> start with: [default]
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14:49 | <IBC_jkenney> ok
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14:49 | <Gadi> and then list "param=value"
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14:49 | underneath
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14:50 | in your case, I recommend: X_VIRTUAL = "2880 2880"
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14:51 | and perhaps a nice: SCREEN_07 = ldm
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14:51 | <IBC_jkenney> X_MODE_0 = "1680x1050"
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14:51 | X_MODE_1 = "1680X1050"
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14:51 | <Gadi> and: SCREEN_08 = shell
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14:51 | <thaper> right but lts.conf now says: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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14:51 | <Gadi> whats that for?
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14:51 | IBC_jkenney: we won't be setting X_MODES
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14:52 | <IBC_jkenney> that is what some of the documentation told me to use toget this to work
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14:52 | ok
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14:52 | <thaper> and that is so we dont have to ltsp-update-image
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14:52 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: we're gonna use XRANDR
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14:53 | <IBC_jkenney> ok i have
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14:53 | [default]
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14:53 | X_VIRTUAL = "2880 2880"
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14:53 | SCREEN_07 = ldm
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14:53 | SCREEN_08 = shell
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14:53 | so far
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14:55 | <Gadi> IBC_jkenney: cool boot a thin client for kicks
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14:55 | lets see where its at
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14:55 | make this one of the clients with 2 monitors attached
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14:55 | :)
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14:55 | <IBC_jkenney> already there
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14:55 | waiting for it
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14:55 | :)
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14:55 | <Ryan52> warren: we have some bugs to file?
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14:55 | :)
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14:56 | <Ryan52> and I guess fix :)
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14:56 | <warren> Ryan52: gdb isn't showing anything useful
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14:56 | <Ryan52> warren: does the tftp client always segfault or only in the client?
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14:56 | if it's only in the client, I'm not home, so I can't debug stuff. (only have a Debian laptop with me)
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14:56 | otherwise I can get a Fedora chroot and fix it.
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14:58 | <warren> Ryan52: tftp client in Fedora 12 chroot always crashes
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14:58 | Ryan52: it is hitting glibc's buffer overflow checker
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14:59 | <IBC_jkenney> Gadi
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14:59 | <Gadi> present
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14:59 | <Ryan52> warren: any bug report already?
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14:59 | <IBC_jkenney> hal crashed
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14:59 | it worked until i resized
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14:59 | <Gadi> take me step-by-step
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15:00 | <warren> Ryan52: trying to get a crash dump
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15:00 | Ryan52: but gdb is broken
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15:00 | =)
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15:00 | <Ryan52> oh boy.
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15:00 | <IBC_jkenney> ok
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15:00 | here is what happened
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15:00 | It booted and The screen stretched across both monitors
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15:01 | i went to resize to 1440X900 on each monitor and it blinked and came up with the correct resolution then i got a error from HAl and the screen went blank
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15:01 | i am rebooting the thin client
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15:01 | <Gadi> well, we can set the sizes
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15:01 | in lts.conf, too
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15:02 | <IBC_jkenney> I would like to allow the END user to resize if possible
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15:02 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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15:02 | <IBC_jkenney> and not all thin clients will be dual Display
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15:02 | <Gadi> ok
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15:02 | <IBC_jkenney> so i am rebooted
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15:02 | <Gadi> ok
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15:03 | <IBC_jkenney> internal error failed to initialize hal
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15:03 | <Gadi> thats when you resize?
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15:03 | <IBC_jkenney> but the resolution is correct
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15:03 | <Gadi> is that a dialog box coming from gnome?
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15:27 | <thaper> irght - now the screen is 1024x768 but i cant see any menus or anything but the the center of the screen... it is still surrounded by a large black border
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15:27 | <warren> Ryan52: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2009-06/msg00419.html
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15:27 | Ryan52: it seems tftp is violating this
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15:42 | <bieb> Lns: you still here?
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15:43 | <Lns> bieb: just got back
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15:44 | <bieb> Lns: you know anything about ltsp and Active Directory?
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15:44 | <Lns> narp...haven't done that yet.
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15:45 | there is a wiki page on the ubuntu wiki site for that though
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15:49 | <bieb> Lns: I have used the wiki page to setup AD Auth.. it is a question to do with... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LockdownHomeDirs and how it works with the homedirs of AD users
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15:52 | <Lns> bieb: afaik ad auth is just auth, if their home dir is still on the linux box, you should be ok.. not sure how the username mapping goes with that, though..like i said, never tried it
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15:55 | <bieb> Lns: the mapping is the issue.. I went to /home and chmoded to 770.. and no one in /home/%DOMAIN%/ could login.. so I re-chmoded /home and chmoded /home/%DOMAIN%/ to 770 and that worked.. the issue is when a new account is created it doesn't get the correct permissions from /etc/adduser.conf "DIR_MODE=0770" because their homedir is not in /home
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15:55 | so I wasnt sure how to make that adjustment in adduser.conf
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15:59 | <Lns> bieb: sorry, maybe someone else can chime in..
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15:59 | <bieb> Lns: no prob.. I will keep looking
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16:00 | was gonna check with Gadi (since he wrote the wiki doc) but he is gone
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16:09 | <atomic007za> hi
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16:12 | <warren> Ryan52: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515361
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16:15 | <atomic007za> Lns!
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16:18 | <Lns> atomic007za! =p
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16:18 | <atomic007za> sorry thought I was in other windows. =>
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16:20 | <warren> OK, I'm tagging ltsp-trunk
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16:26 | Ryan52: ok... still have to fix tftp, use the F-11 version in the meantime if you want to work on other things with a F-12 chroot
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16:26 | Ryan52: if you want to work on something, ldm in F-12 is very old
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16:26 | Ryan52: I'm not sure it will be easy to build for F-12
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16:31 | <warren> vagrantc: ldm isn't a priority for me
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16:31 | ldm works
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16:32 | <Ryan52> warren: ok, I'll try to look when I get home, tho I think you've probably noticed that I'm not very reliable :)
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17:17 | * lupine_85 pokes karmic + ltsp, thinks this is likely to end up hurting, installs anyways | |
17:18 | <warren> damn
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17:18 | pulseaudio changed substantially
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17:23 | <lupine_85> urgh, nbf
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17:23 | nbd*
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17:58 | <seanthegeek> I've done a fresh quick install of LTSP on ubuntu, but TFTP says file can not be found. can someone help?
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18:00 | * lupine_85 wonders if there are any nbd vs. NFS benchmarks kicking around | |
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19:47 | <Jorophose> so, uh, just out of curiosity, is there any reason thin clients are so expensive? do computers just have a high initial cost or something?
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22:06 | <ace_suares> !seen sbalneav
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22:06 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 2 days, 13 hours, 4 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <sbalneav> From what otavio was talking to us about in Brazil, I think he's using openembedded.
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22:06 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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22:06 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 12 hours and 1 second ago: <ogra> it is, serial isnt a very safe thing, thats why it went away over time :)
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22:07 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: highvoltage was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: * highvoltage wonders where q-funk is these days
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22:24 | <epsas> w/in 8
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