IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:33 | <snazm> Hi folks
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| 03:06 | <silverblade1000> [LTSP HELP ] UNABLE TO START DHCP
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| 05:01 | <Joe90> Help with ARP - Possible clash of two server NICs
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| 05:02 | Client can't resolve the physical address of the server?
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| 05:11 | <Joe90> This may be a basic networking issue: Client can't resolve physical address of client
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| 05:12 | What are the relevant services which are needed to resolve and why are they blocked????
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| 05:24 | <Joe90> Cant ping server from client? Any ideas?
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| 05:30 | DHCP provides client with Server IP and image filename, but client can't communicate with server?
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| 05:32 | <BLUE_VITRIOL> hello everybody
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| 05:33 | how r u all ??
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| 05:33 | IS THERE ANY LTSP EXPERT on this CHANNEL !! NEED SUM HELP !! LTSP NEWBABIE HERE
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| 05:34 | <BLUE_VITRIOL> hi elisboa
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| 05:34 | how r u
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| 05:37 | <sep> BLUE_VITRIOL, you would benefit greatly from reading this document http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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| 05:39 | <BLUE_VITRIOL> I have configured as an hobbie and to learn sumthing new !! i m using ltsp.org as my reference !! the LTSP config show me dhcp is running and ok !! but whn its whn i give the command service dhcpd status . its shows me stopped !! even whn i start it manually im unable to start it can any one help me to sort out this problm thx in advance
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| 05:39 | thx for the link sep
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| 05:59 | <rcy> BLUE_VITRIOL: check /var/log/daemon
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| 08:21 | <daduke> hey guys, is there a know problem with LTSP (etch) and tcsh? Upon logging in, we get stuck with a black screen. Other shells work.
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| 08:46 | <sutula> daduke: I've seen some discussion in the past about shell problems, but don't know the status right now
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| 08:46 | <sutula> daduke: You could watch for vagrantc here...he would know
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| 09:03 | <nonsparker> Morning everyone
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| 09:20 | <daduke> sutula: thanks, will do.
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| 10:37 | <yopla> hello, is there online ltsp source tree somwhere (CVS?)
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| 10:38 | <ninou> ogra: do we really need chroot in ltsp-build-client, why not fakechroot ?
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| 10:40 | <johnny> you can find it mirrored on launchpad
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| 10:40 | i know that
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| 10:40 | but you need bzr to check it out
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| 10:43 | <yopla> ok thank you.
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| 12:33 | <georgy> hello
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| 12:34 | <georgy> I would just like to know, how many of you, have had requests for load balanced LTSP setups
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| 12:34 | or already have implemented such setups
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| 12:35 | <johnny> folks have talked about it here
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| 12:35 | but you should prolly search the lists
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| 12:35 | <georgy> ok thanks johnny
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| 12:36 | I am working on such kind of systems
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| 12:36 | * system
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| 12:36 | I see that there is no perfect solution
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| 12:36 | and that there are many problems that should be solved
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| 12:37 | it would be nice to have some more hints and know the others' point of views
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> ubuntu (gutsy) and debian (lenny/sid) should both have some load-balancing options
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| 12:49 | <georgy> I kI know
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| 12:49 | * I know
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| 12:49 | the options are far not enough
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| 12:50 | I just wanted to get some feedback
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| 12:50 | from bigger setups
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| 12:50 | actually one of the problems is having a huge amount of servers
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| 12:50 | and not properly balanced application load
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| 12:50 | so that you have some times really high peaks and other times your nodes do almost nothing
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| 12:50 | while other have a lot of work
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| 12:51 | depending on the application server
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| 12:51 | I am speaking of really big setups
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| 12:51 | 3500 - 5000 nodes
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| 12:52 | *sorry 3500 - 5000 client nodes
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| 12:52 | connected to your balanced setup
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> georgy: there is an option to set up whatever sort of balancing mechanisms you want
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| 12:54 | so i don't see how that's good enough
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| 12:55 | and if anyone comes up with something good, we can incorporate it into documentation examples or even make it an easy configuration option
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| 12:56 | <johnny> who has setups that big atm?
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> though with setups that big, you probably want to do "diskless workstations" or something like that
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| 12:57 | making the servers just file servers, and the clients actually do the processing
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| 13:03 | <Blinny> Why's that?
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| 13:04 | I mean, other than the obvious of 'there aren't servers big enough to handle' -- but couldn't you round-robin the 'start firefox' requests between a pool of application servers connected to a backend pool of fileservers?
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> Blinny: well, you would have to develop the technology to do so, keep all the user's data in sync between servers, keep the login status current across all servers, etc.
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| 13:07 | <Blinny> Sounds like a good task for an outfit like Google.
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> also, the simple matter of wrappers to launch any given program in this unconventional way
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| 13:08 | <Blinny> Right.
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> because many of your desktop environment menus and such may have hard-coded patsh to the binaries, and replacing the binaries would conflict with most linux distro's package management
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| 13:09 | (or at least be very ugly)
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| 13:09 | like, there's ways to do overrides on debian, but it's not pretty.
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| 13:10 | anyways, gotta go
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| 14:14 | <georgy> sorry, I was afk
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| 14:14 | banks have such setups
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| 14:14 | well they want to be there
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| 14:14 | will certain needs
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| 14:16 | <georgy> @vagrantc
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| 14:16 | <g0g0r1n> hi .. does anybody experiences with NAS ?
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| 14:16 | <georgy> Blinny: well, you would have to develop the technology to do so, keep all the user's data in sync between servers, keep the login status current across all servers, etc.
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| 14:16 | <--- I am working on this
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| 14:19 | <g0g0r1n> i'm trying to use NAS .. it seems to work, but i got very low quality sound from it
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| 14:19 | <johnny> does anybody here actually use NAS?
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| 14:20 | <g0g0r1n> is something better?
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| 14:20 | <johnny> depends on your use case
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| 14:20 | i think most people use pulse or esd
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| 14:21 | <g0g0r1n> i'm watching movies on my notebook from server through xdmcp .. i wanna also hear sound
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| 14:22 | <johnny> that's not ltsp
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| 14:22 | or at least doesn't sound like it
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| 14:22 | <g0g0r1n> no it isn't .. but ltsp also use xdmcp and NAS as far as i know
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| 14:22 | <johnny> nope
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| 14:23 | not for most people at least
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| 14:23 | if they use ltsp5
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| 14:23 | there are a few 4.2 folks around..
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| 14:23 | <johnny> wouldnt you be better off just mounting the remote file system and watching movies locally?
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| 14:25 | <g0g0r1n> ltsp5 doesn't use xdmcp anymore ?
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| 14:25 | <johnny> not by default
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| 14:25 | <g0g0r1n> and what it use?
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| 14:25 | <johnny> local display manager
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| 14:25 | or ltsp display manager
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| 14:25 | tunnels X over ssh
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| 14:27 | <g0g0r1n> yes .. but isnt ssh tunneled protocol xdmcp?
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| 14:27 | i dont need to tunnel it through ssh on my local lan
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| 14:27 | security doesnt matter
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| 14:28 | <johnny> no.. it runs locally
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| 14:28 | you'd have a much simpler time just mounting your remote file system
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| 14:29 | i just used sshfs on my local lan
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| 14:29 | worked fine for me
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| 14:29 | altho i hear it doesn't do so well over wireless, but i haven't tested that out personally
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| 14:29 | i guess it depends on your signal
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| 14:30 | <g0g0r1n> mount file system isnt problem .. but then my notebook use harddrive often for swaping .. i got noisy harddrive .. its problem at night
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| 14:30 | when my girlfriend is sleeping by my side
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| 14:30 | :)
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| 14:31 | <johnny> aha.. not enough ram then i guess
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| 14:31 | you could try setting up pulse i guess
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| 14:31 | <g0g0r1n> and i rather work on my server computer desktop anyway
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| 14:31 | its something similar to NAS ?
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| 14:34 | i will try
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| 14:34 | thanx a lot johnny
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| 14:34 | <johnny> it can be used that way
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| 14:34 | iirc
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| 14:34 | it does a lot more tho
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| 20:57 | <chup> If you haven't heard, his wife's illness has forced Matthew Szulik to
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| 20:57 | step down as CEO at Red Hat. Here's a message from Matt about his time
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| 20:57 | at Red Hat, from the Red Hat website:
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| 20:57 | http://www.press.redhat.com/
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