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Channel log from 5 February 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:18 | <alkisg> I've found a way (with gst-launch) to project a video to all student PCs simultaneously. But the teacher will need access to the students' xservers, probably with xauth. Where's the best place to do something like xauth +teacher ? In the chroot init scripts, when xsessions start... And what would be the right xauth command line? (I'm guessing with "xauth ... generate ... untrusted")?
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| 01:24 | <alkisg> OK, `xhost +server` is good enough for my needs. But, where should I put it so that it runs after X is started but before students logon?
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| 02:02 | <alkisg> Answering to myself, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I00-xauth seems good enough. Putting `xhost +server` in there enables the teacher to run any program and display its output to the students PCs.
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| 03:17 | <shamino> I just did distribution-update to my ltsp-enviroment (Hardy to Intrepid) and now clients stop on error "Disconnecting: que, disconnect, sock, done"
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| 03:18 | i build a new client-image with ltsp-build-client but no help
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| 03:31 | <shamino> this one is similar: http://www.nabble.com/random-clients-stall-out-at-Error:-Ioctl-1.1a-failed:-Bad-file-descriptor-td20858391.html
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| 03:32 | do i have to enable NAT?
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| 03:40 | <shamino> from syslog: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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| 07:05 | <ScorpKing> Ryan52: you around?
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| 07:07 | i'm still unable to install a different usplash theme for the clients that boot off the server. did anyone here managed to change the usplash theme?
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| 07:24 | <Blinny> How can I run a script on user logout?
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| 07:26 | <ScorpKing> no idea but it migh be in the manual
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| 07:39 | <ScorpKing> ok so i think my problem with usplash themes might be the nbi image. does that get updated when initramfs is updated in chroot?
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| 07:40 | i see that only /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img-2.6.24-16-generic is updated and the rest of the files stays the same. is it save to replace those file with the ones from chroot?
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| 07:45 | <shamino> Blinny: /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default i guess..
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| 07:47 | <Blinny> shamino: I thought LTSP used ldm
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| 07:49 | <ScorpKing> it does
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| 07:51 | <Blinny> Won't /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default be run as root?
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| 08:22 | <Blinny> Let me qualify that then
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| 08:23 | How can I run a script that has access to $USER on user logout?
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> Blinny: waht distro are you on?
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| 08:24 | *what
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| 08:24 | or, better yet, when you run: ps -ef|grep Xsession
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| 08:24 | on the server
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| 08:25 | do you see a "kill -1" in the process command?
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| 08:26 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 08:26 | I'm working with dmaran to do a rsync on login & logout to try to do some /home/$USER filesystem synchronization
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| 08:27 | <Gadi> Blinny: well, two comments:
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| 08:27 | <Blinny> All ears
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| 08:27 | & eyes (;
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| 08:27 | <Gadi> 1. You *may* be able to do something on logout if u add a script to the end of the Xsession.d/ scripts
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| 08:28 | (like: Xsession.d/99-something)
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| 08:28 | not sure
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| 08:28 | 2. Even if you do, it doesn't handle unclean logouts
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| 08:28 | <Blinny> Right.
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| 08:28 | <Gadi> it is often time better to try to cleanup upon login first and then rsync again
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| 08:28 | <Blinny> We're thinking of an rsync && sleep 2 m script that we'll set up to run while user is logged in.
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| 08:29 | That may be a better idea. Dig.
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> that could work, too
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| 08:29 | a daemon that rsyncs periodically
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| 08:29 | <Blinny> Something like that, yah.
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> with most of our LTSP scripts, you'll notice few logout type scripts
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| 08:30 | because you *know* people will not logout cleanly
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| 08:30 | or the power will be cut
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| 08:30 | <Blinny> Yah, I'd noticed that.
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> or something
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| 08:32 | <Blinny> We'll re-think. Thanks Gadi. You've always been ridiculously helpful. Cheers mate.
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> Blinny: my pleasure - thats what Im here for - to be ridiculous
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| 08:38 | :)
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| 08:44 | <Blinny> heh
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| 08:51 | <Blinny> If I write this 'rsync every 3 minutes' script, will it be killed on logout by gdm or something?
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| 08:51 | I'm thinking (psuedocode) "if user is logged in, rsync then sleep 3m; fi rsync then quit"
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| 08:51 | I could nohup it
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| 08:56 | <cyberorg> would bash completion be possible with ltsp-localapps command?
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| 09:02 | <warren> cyberorg: no, and that wouldn't belong upstream if someone wrote it
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| 09:02 | <quickslip> does anyone know how to install openoffice 3.0 using yum install ?
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| 09:02 | need to know the package name
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| 09:02 | <warren> cyberorg: for security reasons it doesn't do PATH execution either, you need the full path
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| 09:02 | <cyberorg> warren, ok
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| 09:03 | <warren> quickslip: Fedora 10?
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| 09:03 | <quickslip> F9
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| 09:04 | warren: Fedora 9
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| 09:05 | <warren> quickslip: I think "yum groupinstall office" will install most of what you want.
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| 09:05 | <quickslip> warren: Will try it out and let you know - thanks
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| 09:09 | <ltsppbot> "Blinny" pasted "rsync script" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/239
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| 09:10 | <Blinny> Gadi: I'm thinking of nohup'ing this script in, say /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95-rsync-users
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| 10:04 | <cyberorg> Gadi, warren our kiwi developer has implemented AOE root, would you guys be interested in it?
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| 10:05 | <warren> cyberorg: root filesystem is put into an image file that is exported over ethernet as a block device?
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| 10:06 | <cyberorg> warren, yes
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| 10:06 | <johnny> so.. any bench vs nbd?
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| 10:07 | <cyberorg> johnny, i just got a client booted, from what i read, big advantage is less overhead on the server
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> is nbd much overhead?
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| 10:08 | on a squashfs image that is hardly accessed?
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> What about disconnecting / reconnecting? Can aoe cope with that?
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| 10:09 | <cyberorg> alkisg, don't know, just booted first client, all the stuff i read seems to praise it a lot
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| 10:10 | Gadi, i used same squashfs image we have for kiwi-ltsp, losetup and then exported the loop device for AOE
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> cyberorg: can you see memory consumption (for aoe) on the client, so that we compare it with nbd?
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| 10:11 | <cyberorg> alkisg, yes i plan to do that, but i dont have many clients to test :(
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| 10:12 | <warren> more interesting is what kind of access control there is available on the aoe server side
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| 10:12 | nbd has none
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| 10:13 | <cyberorg> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-6106721.html
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| 10:15 | <warren> cyberorg: does this mean you need a separate eth interface for aoe?
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| 10:15 | <cyberorg> warren, no
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| 10:16 | i liked the part where i didnt have to change anything in our ltsp image :)
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> seems like AoE on a stateless client is a good solution for network booting a Windows OS (that knows not from small kernels and usch)
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| 10:18 | but, relative to what we do now, its hard to see that it scales more
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| 10:18 | especially since you export a file as block device anyway
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| 10:18 | remember, nbd exports a block device, as well
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| 10:19 | <johnny> it's in the name..
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| 10:19 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Gadi: have you ever had any requests for AoE w/ an LTSP setup? We have ...
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| 10:19 | <Gadi> one thing it may allow you to do is let the nbd image live on a Windows server
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| 10:19 | <johnny> CAN-o-SPAM, how many know what they are talking about?
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| 10:19 | <cyberorg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_over_Ethernet has nice overview also
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| 10:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> johnny: 0
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| 10:20 | <johnny> hehe
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| 10:20 | just tryin to get some realism in here :)
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| 10:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i agree ... i'm glad it's being discussed
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> CAN-o-SPAM: and...
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| 10:20 | oh, *requests*
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| 10:21 | I read deployments
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| 10:21 | :)
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| 10:21 | sorry
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| 10:21 | no, its never come up
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| 10:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM> right ... like ... we would like to use LTSP & AoE, can you help?
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| 10:21 | <johnny> and they want to use AoE why?
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| 10:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM> b/c they think its better, faster
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> better than NFS, prolly
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| 10:21 | <johnny> so it's just a checkmark on a "we can do all this" list
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> better than nbd, questionable
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| 10:22 | <CAN-o-SPAM> well i checked around couldn't find a single customer using it ... but also had two requests for it within 2 weeks ... odd
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> now, that I am familiar with - seems the requests for things come in pairs
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| 10:23 | :)
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| 10:23 | <warren> Gadi: they can repopulate the earth that way.
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> now, if you were to put /opt/ltsp/i386 on its own hard drive partition, and export that over AoE and mount it, then I could see a benefit over NFS
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| 10:24 | <cyberorg> CAN-o-SPAM, that would be even
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> (or roll it up in an ext3 file image that can be loop-mounted and edited while exported at the same time)
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| 10:25 | <warren> Gadi: you mean export the raw partition even though it is mounted elsewhere?
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 10:25 | <warren> how is that a good idea?
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> so you could get the benefits of NFS (realtime editing)
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| 10:25 | <warren> no
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> without the overhead of NFS
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| 10:25 | <warren> no
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> no?
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| 10:26 | <warren> Gadi: say you mounted ext3 read-only, undefined behavior would happen because the underlying blocks change without it knowing.
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> you mean if it were mounted in two places at once, one ro and one rw
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> ah, I thought AoE would be intelligent enough to handle that
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> cyberorg: does each client need it's own AoE disk?
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| 10:28 | <etyack> what about a clustering file system?
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| 10:29 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i hope not
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| 10:29 | but it is possible to give one to each
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> Ah, I found it in wikipedia: "The AoE protocol provides a mechanism for host-based cooperative locking."
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| 10:31 | <etyack> GFS?
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| 10:32 | <warren> Gadi: the filesystem itself is not intelligent to handle that
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| 10:32 | Gadi: you would need to use a cluster filesystem
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| 10:32 | GFS or ocfs
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| 10:50 | <dberkholz> cluster-nfs is coming soon too, fwiw
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| 11:10 | <PMantis> Hi guys!
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| 11:11 | If I do a bunch of updates to an LTSP 5 server, should I run ltsp-update-* and ltsp-build-client, etc?
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| 11:13 | <johnny> a bunch of updates?
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| 11:13 | if you didn't upgrade the distro, you don't need to run build-client
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| 11:14 | and, if you didn't upgrade the chroot, you don't need to run ltsp-update-image
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| 11:25 | <huey> anyone know of a way to set it so the monitors dont turn off?
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| 11:25 | <johnny> don't you want to save power?
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| 11:25 | a little..
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| 11:26 | <huey> not for these
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| 11:26 | they need to stay on all the time
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| 11:37 | <etyack> huey, set X_BLANKING = 0 in lts.conf.
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| 11:38 | <huey> sweet thanks :D
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| 11:50 | hrm, its still doing it
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| 12:09 | <Lns> CAN-o-Lunch: lol.
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| 12:40 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hey Lns
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| 12:40 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: what's the good word
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| 12:40 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: find any new clients to use LTSP lately?
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| 12:41 | <Lns> not yet! I've got a lot of work for myself with my existing schools, I need to do some business back-end restructuring (mainly moving to an LLC, and finding someone to help with LTSP clients) before I can look for more.
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| 12:42 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sounds ... fun?
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| 12:42 | <Lns> Both of those are high on my priority list though.
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| 12:42 | lol...well the outcome will be fun, that's for sure
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| 12:42 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 12:42 | <Lns> How's biz for you?
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| 12:43 | <CAN-o-SPAM> good
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| 12:43 | i'm trying to find ways to get some more logo submissions for the design contest at the moment
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| 12:43 | it's slowed down a bit and my hopeful goal was to be able to consider 100 logos
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| 12:43 | <Lns> how about sending a reminder to the lists?
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| 12:43 | putting a big banner on your index page>?
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| 12:43 | <CAN-o-SPAM> it might have more value coming from a new sender *wink* *wink*
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| 12:44 | <Lns> lol...this is your thing man! and I want my logo to win so i get that free TC, so it's not in my best interest ;)
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| 12:44 | <CAN-o-SPAM> but i'm still thrilled with the results, contacting a professional logo design company usually gives you 3 - 10 logos for roughly $300, which you can review and edit once or twice
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| 12:46 | <Lns> right...and it's better to get the community involved like that, it strengthens the relationship
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| 12:46 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: do you employee people too? or just you?
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| 12:46 | <Lns> I have one tech that's taken over most of my windows-based clients
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| 12:47 | Which is really nice, so I can back him up, and focus more on LTSP deployments/support
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| 12:48 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hmm, not the first consulting wiz i've heard of recently adding someone to handle windows and spend time elsewhere
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| 12:48 | <Lns> Well, after 12 years of doing it myself with my company (and previous jobs) I'm pretty much done chasing my tail.
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| 12:49 | I don't want to clean up one more spyware/virus infested computer for as long as I live.
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| 12:49 | <CAN-o-SPAM> why? i LOVE regedit ;)
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| 12:50 | <Lns> Regedit really is kind of nice... but, ... no. =p
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| 12:51 | I'd rather spend my time engineering fun things for Linux such as automatic client shutdown and wake-on-lan than spending that same time trying to get a windows box to function the way it should in the first place
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| 12:55 | <Blinny> Amen, my brother.
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> Any way to get a list of the clients IPs with netstat? (Ubuntu = nbd)
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| 14:05 | <johnny> alkisg, why not just look at your dhcp leases :)
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| 14:05 | hehe
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> johnny, I don't have any :)
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| 14:06 | <johnny> huh?
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> dhcp = cheap router
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| 14:06 | <johnny> ah. mine uses linux.. so i get it from that :)
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> ...and the leases could be old leases... how could you tell the new ones from the old ones/
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| 14:06 | ?
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| 14:07 | <johnny> hmm.. i wonder if you can get a list of active ssh connections
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> E.g. if a client shuts down, the lease is still valid, but nbd disconnects and it's invalid
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| 14:07 | netstat -ntap | grep :2000 gives me the list, but I don't think that's a good way to do it
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| 14:07 | <johnny> hmm.. the thin client manager thingy gets me a list too
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| 14:08 | it just depends on what you want to do with it
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Playback a video to all clients :P
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| 14:09 | I've put xhost +server to the initscripts, so the teacher can execute arbitrary commands to the clietns... So with gst-launch-0.10 I can play a video to all the x-servers
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| 14:11 | <johnny> anybody seen sbalneav ?
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| 14:11 | <cliebow> Gadi, if testing a cgi script and want to pass variables in at commandline to replace param values..what is syntax?
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> cliebow: command line? you mean URL?
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| 14:13 | ?param1=value1¶m2=value2...
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| 14:14 | like that?
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| 14:14 | <cliebow> well no..guess il just comment out $name=param('name') and hardcode $name for testing i guess
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| 14:14 | ;
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| 14:15 | trying to pull userPassword from ldap using Net::Ldap:Entry and cant get it right..
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| 14:15 | <Blinny> Gadi: We've got some slick scriptage working for rsync'ing all over hell's half acre. Working well. Thanks for the 'not on logout' tip.
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> Blinny: great!
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| 14:16 | does hell's half acre have an outdoor pool?
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| 14:16 | :)
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| 14:16 | cliebow: I feel like you're always trying to pull something from LDAP
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| 14:16 | <cliebow> i am..
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| 14:17 | but revisiting every six months i forget
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| 14:17 | senior moments..actually senior weekends
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Argh, ok, here's the result - a bad way to get the list of TC IPs if using nbd: netstat -np 2>&- | grep '\:2000 .* ESTABLISHED' | cut -d ":" -f 2 | cut -d " " -f 6
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| 14:41 | <re-G> if I install ubuntu 8.10+ltsp5+crunchbang desktop, will it work out of box?
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| 14:43 | <johnny> crunchbang?
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| 14:43 | huh?
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| 14:43 | <re-G> johnny: huh?
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| 14:44 | <johnny> you said crunchbang
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| 14:44 | not me
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| 14:44 | <re-G> crunchbang desktop is nice :P
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| 14:44 | <johnny> what is it?
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| 14:45 | if it's not gnome or kde.. it may not work out of the box.. depending on what underlying services it uses
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| 14:45 | <Lns> Nice to see that *box is still being used in a lot of places :)
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| 14:45 | johnny: http://crunchbanglinux.org/
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| 14:45 | <johnny> probably not
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| 14:45 | <johnny> it probably won't work if it's a *box , unless they've heavily evolved since i recall last
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| 14:45 | re-G, but it's their fault if it doesn't.. not ours
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| 14:46 | <re-G> johnny: yes of course
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| 14:46 | <johnny> i doubt anybody here knows
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| 14:46 | i would never want to give openbox to any users tho
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| 14:46 | that would be mean
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| 14:46 | <Lns> lol
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| 14:47 | "What the..."
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| 15:08 | <epsas> hmm -
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| 15:09 | so i want to evaluate modern LTSP distributions
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| 15:09 | does anybody have reccomendations for a couple that I should definately check out?
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| 15:19 | <CAN-o-SPAM> epsas: i'd recommend Ubuntu & K12Linux
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| 15:36 | <epsas> CAN-o-SPAM - Thanks!
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| 16:07 | <re-G> CAN-o-SPAM: do you have any new thought about wlan-ltsp?
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| 16:13 | <CAN-o-SPAM> re-G: honestly, been swamped haven't had anytime to test what you've done
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| 16:13 | how is it going for you?
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| 16:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> re-G: i have to go sorry, send me e-mail regarding any updates. i'll look for it. thanks again.
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| 17:09 | <epsas> hmm
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| 17:09 | where can I find Ubuntu's LTSP offerings?
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| 17:12 | ahh - i see it is a part of the alternate installer. thanks
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| 17:24 | <Ahmuck> fwiw, pdf in firefox and pdf printing is crashing ltsp clients
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| 17:25 | i'm not so sure that firefox with multiple tabs is crashing the thin client as well
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| 21:17 | <kaos01> im using LTSP and trying to use XF86CONFIG_FILE = with no luck
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| 21:19 | i have XF86CONFIG_FILE = /etc/xorg-test.conf and the file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg-test.conf
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| 22:08 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 22:08 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 22:08 | <sbalneav> kaos01: It's X_CONF=
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| 22:31 | <kaos01> mmm, still not having any luck
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| 22:53 | <sbalneav> kaos01: Since you added the xorg-test.conf file, did you rebuild the image?
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