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I've found a way (with gst-launch) to project a video to all student PCs simultaneously. But the teacher will need access to the students' xservers, probably with xauth. Where's the best place to do something like xauth +teacher ? In the chroot init scripts, when xsessions start... And what would be the right xauth command line? (I'm guessing with "xauth ... generate ... untrusted")?
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OK, `xhost +server` is good enough for my needs. But, where should I put it so that it runs after X is started but before students logon?
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Answering to myself, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I00-xauth seems good enough. Putting `xhost +server` in there enables the teacher to run any program and display its output to the students PCs.
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I just did distribution-update to my ltsp-enviroment (Hardy to Intrepid) and now clients stop on error "Disconnecting: que, disconnect, sock, done"
i build a new client-image with ltsp-build-client but no help
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this one is similar: http://www.nabble.com/random-clients-stall-out-at-Error:-Ioctl-1.1a-failed:-Bad-file-descriptor-td20858391.html
do i have to enable NAT?
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from syslog: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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Ryan52: you around?
i'm still unable to install a different usplash theme for the clients that boot off the server. did anyone here managed to change the usplash theme?
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How can I run a script on user logout?
no idea but it migh be in the manual
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ok so i think my problem with usplash themes might be the nbi image. does that get updated when initramfs is updated in chroot?
i see that only /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img-2.6.24-16-generic is updated and the rest of the files stays the same. is it save to replace those file with the ones from chroot?
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Blinny: /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default i guess..
shamino: I thought LTSP used ldm
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Won't /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default be run as root?
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Let me qualify that then
How can I run a script that has access to $USER on user logout?
Blinny: waht distro are you on?
or, better yet, when you run: ps -ef|grep Xsession
on the server
do you see a "kill -1" in the process command?
I'm working with dmaran to do a rsync on login & logout to try to do some /home/$USER filesystem synchronization
Blinny: well, two comments:
& eyes (;
1. You *may* be able to do something on logout if u add a script to the end of the Xsession.d/ scripts
2. Even if you do, it doesn't handle unclean logouts
it is often time better to try to cleanup upon login first and then rsync again
We're thinking of an rsync && sleep 2 m script that we'll set up to run while user is logged in.
That may be a better idea. Dig.
that could work, too
a daemon that rsyncs periodically
Something like that, yah.
with most of our LTSP scripts, you'll notice few logout type scripts
because you *know* people will not logout cleanly
or the power will be cut
Yah, I'd noticed that.
We'll re-think. Thanks Gadi. You've always been ridiculously helpful. Cheers mate.
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Blinny: my pleasure - thats what Im here for - to be ridiculous
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If I write this 'rsync every 3 minutes' script, will it be killed on logout by gdm or something?
I'm thinking (psuedocode) "if user is logged in, rsync then sleep 3m; fi rsync then quit"
I could nohup it
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would bash completion be possible with ltsp-localapps command?
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cyberorg: no, and that wouldn't belong upstream if someone wrote it
does anyone know how to install openoffice 3.0 using yum install ?
need to know the package name
cyberorg: for security reasons it doesn't do PATH execution either, you need the full path
quickslip: Fedora 10?
warren: Fedora 9
quickslip: I think "yum groupinstall office" will install most of what you want.
warren: Will try it out and let you know - thanks
"Blinny" pasted "rsync script" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/239
Gadi: I'm thinking of nohup'ing this script in, say /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95-rsync-users
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Gadi, warren our kiwi developer has implemented AOE root, would you guys be interested in it?
cyberorg: root filesystem is put into an image file that is exported over ethernet as a block device?
so.. any bench vs nbd?
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johnny, i just got a client booted, from what i read, big advantage is less overhead on the server
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is nbd much overhead?
on a squashfs image that is hardly accessed?
What about disconnecting / reconnecting? Can aoe cope with that?
alkisg, don't know, just booted first client, all the stuff i read seems to praise it a lot
Gadi, i used same squashfs image we have for kiwi-ltsp, losetup and then exported the loop device for AOE
cyberorg: can you see memory consumption (for aoe) on the client, so that we compare it with nbd?
alkisg, yes i plan to do that, but i dont have many clients to test :(
more interesting is what kind of access control there is available on the aoe server side
nbd has none
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cyberorg: does this mean you need a separate eth interface for aoe?
i liked the part where i didnt have to change anything in our ltsp image :)
seems like AoE on a stateless client is a good solution for network booting a Windows OS (that knows not from small kernels and usch)
but, relative to what we do now, its hard to see that it scales more
especially since you export a file as block device anyway
remember, nbd exports a block device, as well
it's in the name..
Gadi: have you ever had any requests for AoE w/ an LTSP setup? We have ...
one thing it may allow you to do is let the nbd image live on a Windows server
CAN-o-SPAM, how many know what they are talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_over_Ethernet has nice overview also
just tryin to get some realism in here :)
i agree ... i'm glad it's being discussed
I read deployments
no, its never come up
right ... like ... we would like to use LTSP & AoE, can you help?
and they want to use AoE why?
b/c they think its better, faster
better than NFS, prolly
so it's just a checkmark on a "we can do all this" list
better than nbd, questionable
well i checked around couldn't find a single customer using it ... but also had two requests for it within 2 weeks ... odd
now, that I am familiar with - seems the requests for things come in pairs
Gadi: they can repopulate the earth that way.
now, if you were to put /opt/ltsp/i386 on its own hard drive partition, and export that over AoE and mount it, then I could see a benefit over NFS
CAN-o-SPAM, that would be even
(or roll it up in an ext3 file image that can be loop-mounted and edited while exported at the same time)
Gadi: you mean export the raw partition even though it is mounted elsewhere?
how is that a good idea?
so you could get the benefits of NFS (realtime editing)
without the overhead of NFS
Gadi: say you mounted ext3 read-only, undefined behavior would happen because the underlying blocks change without it knowing.
you mean if it were mounted in two places at once, one ro and one rw
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ah, I thought AoE would be intelligent enough to handle that
cyberorg: does each client need it's own AoE disk?
what about a clustering file system?
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alkisg, i hope not
but it is possible to give one to each
Ah, I found it in wikipedia: "The AoE protocol provides a mechanism for host-based cooperative locking."
Gadi: the filesystem itself is not intelligent to handle that
Gadi: you would need to use a cluster filesystem
GFS or ocfs
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cluster-nfs is coming soon too, fwiw
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If I do a bunch of updates to an LTSP 5 server, should I run ltsp-update-* and ltsp-build-client, etc?
a bunch of updates?
if you didn't upgrade the distro, you don't need to run build-client
and, if you didn't upgrade the chroot, you don't need to run ltsp-update-image
anyone know of a way to set it so the monitors dont turn off?
don't you want to save power?
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not for these
they need to stay on all the time
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huey, set X_BLANKING = 0 in lts.conf.
sweet thanks :D
hrm, its still doing it
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CAN-o-SPAM: what's the good word
Lns: find any new clients to use LTSP lately?
not yet! I've got a lot of work for myself with my existing schools, I need to do some business back-end restructuring (mainly moving to an LLC, and finding someone to help with LTSP clients) before I can look for more.
sounds ... fun?
Both of those are high on my priority list though.
lol...well the outcome will be fun, that's for sure
How's biz for you?
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i'm trying to find ways to get some more logo submissions for the design contest at the moment
it's slowed down a bit and my hopeful goal was to be able to consider 100 logos
how about sending a reminder to the lists?
putting a big banner on your index page>?
it might have more value coming from a new sender *wink* *wink*
lol...this is your thing man! and I want my logo to win so i get that free TC, so it's not in my best interest ;)
but i'm still thrilled with the results, contacting a professional logo design company usually gives you 3 - 10 logos for roughly $300, which you can review and edit once or twice
right...and it's better to get the community involved like that, it strengthens the relationship
Lns: do you employee people too? or just you?
I have one tech that's taken over most of my windows-based clients
Which is really nice, so I can back him up, and focus more on LTSP deployments/support
hmm, not the first consulting wiz i've heard of recently adding someone to handle windows and spend time elsewhere
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Well, after 12 years of doing it myself with my company (and previous jobs) I'm pretty much done chasing my tail.
I don't want to clean up one more spyware/virus infested computer for as long as I live.
why? i LOVE regedit ;)
Regedit really is kind of nice... but, ... no. =p
I'd rather spend my time engineering fun things for Linux such as automatic client shutdown and wake-on-lan than spending that same time trying to get a windows box to function the way it should in the first place
Amen, my brother.
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Any way to get a list of the clients IPs with netstat? (Ubuntu = nbd)
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alkisg, why not just look at your dhcp leases :)
johnny, I don't have any :)
dhcp = cheap router
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ah. mine uses linux.. so i get it from that :)
...and the leases could be old leases... how could you tell the new ones from the old ones/
hmm.. i wonder if you can get a list of active ssh connections
E.g. if a client shuts down, the lease is still valid, but nbd disconnects and it's invalid
netstat -ntap | grep :2000 gives me the list, but I don't think that's a good way to do it
hmm.. the thin client manager thingy gets me a list too
it just depends on what you want to do with it
Playback a video to all clients :P
I've put xhost +server to the initscripts, so the teacher can execute arbitrary commands to the clietns... So with gst-launch-0.10 I can play a video to all the x-servers
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anybody seen sbalneav ?
Gadi, if testing a cgi script and want to pass variables in at commandline to replace param values..what is syntax?
cliebow: command line? you mean URL?
well no..guess il just comment out $name=param('name') and hardcode $name for testing i guess
trying to pull userPassword from ldap using Net::Ldap:Entry and cant get it right..
Gadi: We've got some slick scriptage working for rsync'ing all over hell's half acre. Working well. Thanks for the 'not on logout' tip.
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does hell's half acre have an outdoor pool?
cliebow: I feel like you're always trying to pull something from LDAP
but revisiting every six months i forget
senior moments..actually senior weekends
Argh, ok, here's the result - a bad way to get the list of TC IPs if using nbd: netstat -np 2>&- | grep '\:2000 .* ESTABLISHED' | cut -d ":" -f 2 | cut -d " " -f 6
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if I install ubuntu 8.10+ltsp5+crunchbang desktop, will it work out of box?
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you said crunchbang
crunchbang desktop is nice :P
what is it?
if it's not gnome or kde.. it may not work out of the box.. depending on what underlying services it uses
Nice to see that *box is still being used in a lot of places :)
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it probably won't work if it's a *box , unless they've heavily evolved since i recall last
re-G, but it's their fault if it doesn't.. not ours
johnny: yes of course
i doubt anybody here knows
i would never want to give openbox to any users tho
that would be mean
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so i want to evaluate modern LTSP distributions
does anybody have reccomendations for a couple that I should definately check out?
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epsas: i'd recommend Ubuntu & K12Linux
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CAN-o-SPAM - Thanks!
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CAN-o-SPAM: do you have any new thought about wlan-ltsp?
re-G: honestly, been swamped haven't had anytime to test what you've done
how is it going for you?
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re-G: i have to go sorry, send me e-mail regarding any updates. i'll look for it. thanks again.
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where can I find Ubuntu's LTSP offerings?
ahh - i see it is a part of the alternate installer. thanks
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fwiw, pdf in firefox and pdf printing is crashing ltsp clients
i'm not so sure that firefox with multiple tabs is crashing the thin client as well
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im using LTSP and trying to use XF86CONFIG_FILE = with no luck
i have XF86CONFIG_FILE = /etc/xorg-test.conf and the file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg-test.conf
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sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
kaos01: It's X_CONF=
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mmm, still not having any luck
kaos01: Since you added the xorg-test.conf file, did you rebuild the image?
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