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Channel log from 5 February 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:41 | <Enslaver> Any specific kernel options I should include when building the clients kernel?
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| 03:39 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 07:25 | <ajith> HI
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| 07:25 | Chan ..I am having with ltsp in eduubuntu
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| 07:26 | and my clients are unable to save their files on their dekstop or anywhere else in theri session in which they have logged on
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| 07:28 | <work_alkisg> Type alt+ctrl+t to open a terminal, and there run:
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| 07:28 | id
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| 07:28 | ls -l
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| 07:28 | and put the output to pastebin
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| 07:50 | <ajith> drwxr-xr-x ltspltsp
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| 07:50 | i can see users in/etc/paswd
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| 07:51 | file home directory is being not created in /home
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| 07:51 | can u please lok in to this
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Yeah please follow the instructions above
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| 08:32 | We need the output of both commands
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| 10:15 | <meamy> Hi all is it possible to create a debian chroot on an ltsp server running ubuntu?
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| 10:15 | !debian
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| 10:15 | <ltsp> debian: is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 10:21 | <meamy> but the the appserver as to be also a debian then or?
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> No
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| 10:29 | <meamy> mm got this error: E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/Release
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| 10:29 | ltsp-build-client --arch amd64 --chroot debian --ltsp-cluster --prompt-rootpass --dist wheezy --skipimage
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| 10:29 | <ltspuser_20> hi
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> meamy: I think you need to provide the mirrors as well
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> meamy: also, I don't think debian has support for ltsp-cluster, although I might be mistaken
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| 10:38 | <meamy> alkisg: i will test it, but a client in ltsp cluster is not so mutch different from a normal ltsp-client. just the script getltspcfg-cluster (and some in /usr/share/) need to be added and maybe some Small changes in some scripts so that shut not be a big thing
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> meamy: scripts might be missing from the ltsp-client-core package in debian
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| 10:39 | Even some dependencies might be missing
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| 11:24 | <meamy> alkisg mm if i found bugs in debian installation routine for ltsp-build-clients where is the place to submit them ? also in the launchpad?
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| 11:30 | <markit> meamy: for debian AFAIR vagrantc is the right person, if alkisg is not here
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| 11:50 | <meamy> @vagarntc hi i want to create a debain wheezy thinclient chroot on an ubuntu 12.04 ltsp cluster after finishing the installation of the basic system he does not find /etc/locales.gen and the installation broke up. I: Base system installed successfully.
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| 11:50 | chroot: failed to run command `locale-gen': No such file or directory
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| 12:08 | <markit> meamy: vagarntc is not here
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| 12:08 | meamy: you should use tab compltion of your irc client and don't use @
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| 13:49 | <neto> hi u all...I'm havin an issue with Ubuntu configuration
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| 13:51 | <neto> need to know by whom the default file located in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg is generated
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| 13:52 | cause when I update the image the file is updated too
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| 13:53 | <MastaaK> Hi everyone, I've got a problem. My LTSP server works fine, I can connect with local account, but I want to connect via LDAP server, so I connect him and all was OK, I can get the account with "getent passwd", so the connection works fine. But for some mysterious reasons when I put the password and username it's okay in syslog and in auth... I might be not clear, feel free to ask! LTSP 5|Ubuntu 12.10|External DHCP
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| 13:53 | neto: Make it Read-Only?
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| 13:55 | <neto> hum....it could be a solution
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| 13:56 | but is there a way to pass some parameters to this file generator?
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| 13:56 | <meamy> there is a config file for ltsp-update-kerlnel
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| 13:56 | <MastaaK> But why did u want this file to not update?
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| 13:56 | <meamy> somewhere
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| 13:56 | <neto> this file is generated without my server ip address and then I have to fix it all the time
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| 13:57 | I mean in the last parameter
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| 13:57 | nbdroot
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| 13:57 | <meamy> neto in the chroot you use /opt/ltsp/amd63/etc/ltsp/update-kernel.conf
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| 13:58 | i think that shut be your solution
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| 13:58 | <neto> I'll give it a try
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| 14:00 | I guess this is it
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| 14:00 | thanks @meamy
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| 14:00 | see ya
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| 14:00 | oops
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| 14:25 | <meamy> anyone how uses debian chroots on an an ubuntu server on? problem seems to be related to this old bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514877 i removed the script witch call locale-gen /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/025-locales but something still tries to start locale-gen witches broke the hole installalltion of the debian chroot
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> It sounds like you're using the ubuntu plugins, not the debian ones
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| 14:30 | Try re-running your ltsp-build-client command with VENDOR=Debian in front
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| 14:41 | <meamy> alkisg: mm still not working same error. export VENDOR=Debian; ltsp-build-client --arch amd64 --chroot debian --ltsp-cluster --prompt-rootpass --dist wheezy --mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ --security-mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security/ --skipimage
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> ./server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/019-ltsp-cluster: add_option "ltsp-cluster" "`eval_gettext "enable LTSP-Cluster"`" "advanced" "false"
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| 14:42 | That's Ubuntu specific
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| 14:43 | It won't work on Debian
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| 14:45 | <meamy> arg would love to get debain chroot working with ltsp-cluster
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> meamy: you could try to symlink/copy it to debian dir
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| 14:46 | Also try export DEBUG=1 ...
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| 14:50 | <markit> hi alkisg, I've tested epoptes remote help yesterday, with vnc it's ok, with screen does not work. In my computer I entered: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0
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| 14:50 | do I have to enter it from terminal or xterminal?
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> xterm -e socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0
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| 14:53 | <meamy> alkisg: whoa DEBUG=1 is kind of cool would have saved me a lot of time :). even with VENDOR=Debian ltsp-client-bluild still loads the ubuntu plugins. i guess that is the problem (i remove already the --ltsp-cluster parameter)
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| 14:54 | <markit> ok, let me start the vm with epoptes and try again
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| 14:56 | alkisg: btw, epoptes has a client part that needs to be installed in clients, and provides connectivity with the epoptes server I think. The UI is in the server package, then. Do you refer to it as "Epoptes gui" or a different name (i.e. epoptes control center / whatever)?
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| 14:57 | because I've seen some in the italian ML is confused and calls it "epoptes client"
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| 14:58 | alkisg: mmm an xterminal appears in the assisted program, while my local xterm closes
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> markit: epoptes client, epoptes server, epoptes UI
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| 15:10 | markit: try connecting to me: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 15:12 | <markit> ehm, screen -l -S ra ?
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| 15:12 | I did not used it
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| 15:12 | my whole command was as you gave me
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> So that part does work
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| 15:13 | Now try again, from inside epoptes
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| 15:13 | Put alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 15:13 | And "console" as the connection method
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| 15:14 | <markit> alkisg: but then "& screen -l -S ra" is needed?
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| 15:14 | !socat
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| 15:14 | <ltsp> socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> bbiab
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| 15:14 | <markit> ah, ok, I was the one assisted lol
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> markit: so, all ok?
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| 15:20 | <markit> no
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| 15:20 | if I try from my vm to my 192.168.1.30 does not work
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| 15:20 | may I try from my Vm to you?
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 15:20 | I thought that's what you did previously... :)
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| 15:20 | <markit> shows connected... not connected
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> That's closing, yeah
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| 15:20 | <markit> the same locally
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Let me see if I can get the error message here...
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| 15:21 | E.g. you might be missing screen or socat in the VM
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| 15:21 | <markit> a xterm opens in epoptes and mine closes at the same time
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| 15:21 | AH!
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| 15:21 | let me check, but should be a epopted dependencies... maybe I'm using stock ubuntu version not greek repo
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> If you have epoptes installed there, yeah, they would be
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| 15:22 | markit: try one more time
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| 15:22 | <markit> mm they are there
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| 15:22 | ok
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> Please set a terminal type.
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| 15:23 | <markit> where?
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> I.e. you probably don't have a TERM variable
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| 15:23 | Are you running that from the epoptes dialog?
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| 15:23 | <markit> I've tried to connect with you and failed
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| 15:23 | yes
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Open a gnome-terminal
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| 15:23 | echo $TERM inside that
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| 15:23 | Then run epoptes inside that
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| 15:23 | <markit> ok (Konsole ;P)
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| 15:23 | ok
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> And then try again to connect to me
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| 15:25 | So the problem is that $TERM is not defined when you run epoptes from within KDE
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| 15:25 | I don't remember if that's true for Gnome too
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| 15:26 | ...meh so the epoptes devs are too geeky to use the menus, that's where the problem was :P
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| 15:26 | markit: do file a bug in epoptes about that
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| 15:26 | <markit> ok, thanks a lot
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| 15:28 | may I disconnect the Vm from your assistance or do you have something to check there?
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| 15:28 | I suppose the latter ;P
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| 15:28 | ops
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| 15:28 | former
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> meamy: did you manage to properly set VENDOR?
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| 15:35 | <meamy> alkisg: ok i add a line in the ltsp-build-client script witch check if Vendor (otherwise it overwritten) already set now it works. at least till it triggers the ltsp-update-image scripte witch miss his .conf file
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> VENDOR=${VENDOR:-"$(detect_vendor)"} # Linux distribution
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| 15:35 | ...if it was set, it shouldn't get overwritten
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| 15:37 | <meamy> mm in my version of the scripte it was Vendor=$(detect_vendor) i change it to [ -z $Vendor ] && Vendor=$(detect_vendor)
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> Ah, ok, older scripts, that makes sense
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| 15:42 | <meamy> alkisg: why debian wanted to disable ltsp-update-image? did it use NFS by default?
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Yes, debian uses nfs by default
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| 15:42 | meamy: your server is 12.04?
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| 15:42 | <meamy> alkisg: yes
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> It might be much easier for you if you use my PPA as it is for Ubuntu but has a newer LTSP, the one in Wheezy
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| 15:43 | !greek-ppa
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| 15:43 | <ltsp> Error: "greek-ppa" is not a valid command.
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> Meh
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp#Installation
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| 15:43 | Just the repository part, you don't need the other stuff
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| 15:44 | Basically, add-apt-repository --yes ppa:ts.sch.gr etc
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| 15:44 | But you need to remove the 12.04 ltsp and nbd first, and remove their configuration files
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| 15:44 | Because they're not compatible with the newer ltsp/nbd versions in the greek schools ppa and in wheezy
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| 15:45 | The differences are much easier switching from/to nfs/nbd, different kernel command line options etc etc
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| 15:45 | bbl
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| 16:23 | <knipwim> mgariepy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/604908 is assigned to you, did you make a fix for that in ubuntu?
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| 17:39 | <mgariepy> knipwim, no i haven't
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| 20:20 | <gp> Is there any trick to support guest login with Ubuntu LTSP? I have added LDM_GUESTLOGIN to the lts.conf file and have the guest login button. But when I check it I get a "no response from server, restarting..." message. I can log in with a user account and password though
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| 20:20 | *click it
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> gp: also specify LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD in lts.conf
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| 20:41 | The "guest login" actually means "login using a specified username/password"
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> it predates ubuntu's "guest login" feature
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| 20:42 | so it seems easy to confuse the two
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| 20:43 | it would actually be really cool to implement something more like that, though
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| 20:43 | although just switching to lightdm might make that easier.
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| 20:47 | <gp> Oh I gotcha
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| 20:47 | So I should just create a literal guest account with a username and password for now
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> it defaults to the auto-generated hostname.
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| 20:55 | i.e. ltsp127
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| 20:55 | i use ssh keys and passwordless accounts, so that way users can't change the password and mess with things that way.
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| 20:56 | <gp> Hah good point
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| 20:57 | Is there somewhere that configures the "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default" file? It keeps getting overwritten while I am tinkering with the image and then I can't connect
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| 20:59 | Specifically, I don't want the quiet splash so I remove that. And then I add IPAPPEND 3
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| 21:01 | <vagrantc> it's generated from /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 21:01 | you want to specify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf: IPAPPEND=3
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| 21:01 | and then: ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 21:02 | you may need to create update-kernels.conf
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| 21:02 | <gp> Ah I think I was missing the ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels step
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> you should only need to run that step once
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| 21:06 | well, only once after editing update-kernels.conf
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| 21:10 | <gp> Should that carry through ltsp-update-image? Cause I tested it and IPAPPEND 3 doesn't carry over
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| 21:10 | for some reason
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| 21:10 | it actually reset the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf file
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-image should call ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels and ltsp-update-kernels ... but there may be issues in the order it calls them.
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| 21:11 | that sounds like a bug in ltsp-update-image...
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| 21:12 | i don't know the exact state of things on ubuntu 12.04 ... we've done a lot of changes in the last year...
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| 21:12 | <gp> Okay
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> gp: you could file a bug on launchpad
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| 21:12 | it really should not reset that file.
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| 21:13 | <gp> I will test it once more to verify
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| 21:13 | I am running on basically a fresh install off the cd
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| 21:13 | Which could also be the problem
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| 21:18 | Yea. I just added IPAPPEND=3 to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf. Then did sudo ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels. Then did sudo ltsp-update-image. Then checked the update-kernels.conf file and IPAPPEND=3 is gone
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| 21:25 | <gp> Actually if I remember right the cd just downloaded all the packages... so that wouldn't be an issue
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| 22:22 | <Enslaver> So I just shot off an email to Warren asking for his assistance in figuring out this last piece. Regardless of what I try, this x86_64 build is just not working.
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| 22:23 | <Hyperbyte> Enslaver, what's going wrong with it?
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| 22:23 | I'm no expert, but shoot... who knows. :)
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| 22:23 | <Enslaver> The X is not starting, ldm core dumps
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| 22:23 | The issue doesnt appear to be ldm related though
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| 22:24 | it calls the /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc which calls the screens for the vty's and starts the preferred display manager assigned by ldminfod on the server
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| 22:24 | running xinit manually works, so i know its not a driver issue, i can pull up the graphical display
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| 22:25 | <Enslaver> So i'm wondering if there isnt some kernel option im missing or something called in libexec that it doesnt agree with
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| 22:25 | <Hyperbyte> So you can start X manually, but via the init scripts it breaks?
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| 22:25 | <Enslaver> correct
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| 22:26 | i can't startx manually though
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| 22:26 | but i can xinit
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| 22:26 | startx complains about MTRR's, but this latest kernel compile should fix that
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| 22:30 | <Hyperbyte> mhmm
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| 22:31 | Sounds like kernel issue alright.
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| 22:35 | <warren> Enslaver: hey
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| 22:35 | Enslaver: saw your e-mail
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| 22:35 | Enslaver: I can take a quick look now
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| 22:35 | <Enslaver> Excellent!
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| 22:35 | I was just talking about you actually
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| 22:35 | I'll get you setup
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| 22:36 | <warren> Enslaver: can we have you and Jim as the maintainers?
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| 22:36 | <Enslaver> Yeah thats fine, I just need a repo for the client rpms
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| 22:36 | I ping'd the redhat guys for EPEL space
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| 22:36 | <warren> EPEL needs a package review, which would be very difficult for LTSP
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| 22:37 | for now let's just test it in our private repo
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| 22:37 | <Enslaver> alright, once this is at the next stage i'll be setting up a local repo for testing
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| 22:37 | <warren> got high speed web space? I can put it on my university's Linux mirror server.
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| 22:37 | <Enslaver> yeah
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| 22:37 | <warren> ok
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| 22:38 | <Enslaver> what i've done is on launchpad, but I have VM's that are more portable and up to date
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| 22:38 | <warren> Enslaver: did you get features that I didn't attempt to support to work?
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| 22:38 | <Enslaver> But I host everything currently on a vmx server
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| 22:38 | <warren> Enslaver: and did you modernize the nbd package?
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| 22:38 | <Enslaver> esx*
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| 22:38 | I have NBD 3.2 i'm currently in process of building a spec for
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| 22:38 | <jammcq> warren: hey
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| 22:38 | <Enslaver> An issue im having is a kmod-nbd
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| 22:38 | <warren> Enslaver: let's get the modernized nbd package into latest fedora
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| 22:38 | jammcq: hey
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| 22:38 | <Enslaver> for x86_64
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| 22:38 | <warren> ooh
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| 22:38 | shit
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| 22:39 | EL6 is missing nbd ko?
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| 22:39 | <Enslaver> yup
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| 22:39 | its only in your thinclient rpms
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| 22:39 | <warren> Enslaver: perhaps we're better off providing our own kernel for EL6 clients
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| 22:39 | <Enslaver> i have a rebuilt kernel with them
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| 22:39 | <warren> Enslaver: it can be much smaller that way
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| 22:39 | <Enslaver> about to copy that to the client
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| 22:39 | yup, you build in DM_THIN support?
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| 22:40 | <warren> dunno, but config change is easy
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| 22:40 | <Enslaver> I took a lot of the crap out, built in wireless support and NBD
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| 22:40 | I can even go smaller or have alternate kernels for thin/fat
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| 22:40 | <warren> space is less of an issue these days. Aim for ONE kernel that will satisfy everyone if possible.
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| 22:40 | that is compatible with the EL6 userspace, which is i686 right?
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| 22:41 | <Enslaver> Well i686 is compatible, but my goal is for i686 and x86_64
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| 22:41 | i686 is working great, thanks a lot to your code, but still x86_64 is having an issue
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| 22:41 | <warren> ahh yes
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| 22:41 | brb
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| 22:42 | <Enslaver> wish you were in irc 5 minutes before, i actually typed out the entire issue
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| 22:47 | <warren> Enslaver: you trying to make a single kernel.src.rpm that will output the desired i686 and x86_64 kernels?
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| 22:47 | <Enslaver> no
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| 22:47 | you referring to the X86 flag set?
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| 22:47 | <warren> Enslaver: did you create a fedora account? you can throw scratch .src.rpm builds into the koji build system for targets like EL6 and Fedora, very convenient.
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| 22:48 | <Enslaver> ah nice, yes i created one
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| 22:48 | mock btw, very useful
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| 22:49 | <warren> Enslaver: btw, you working on Fedora LTSP integration as well, or only EL6?
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| 22:49 | Enslaver: what's your fedora account name?
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| 22:49 | <Enslaver> Dunno, I was discussing that earlier.
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| 22:49 | <warren> Enslaver: running any fedora boxes yourself?
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| 22:49 | <Enslaver> yes, i have fc17
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| 22:50 | <warren> Enslaver: btw, would it help your employer to give you more time to work on LTSP if incoming donations went to your company to help cover your salary?
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| 22:50 | <Enslaver> I really would like to get this working properly in EL6, then get fat clients going, then i'll work on getting it in fc17, but that just sounds like it will eat my lunch with time.
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| 22:51 | <warren> what type of fat clients?
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| 22:51 | <Enslaver> Well that depends if I can get unionfs-fuse working right
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| 22:51 | <warren> oooh
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| 22:51 | <Enslaver> :)
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| 22:51 | <warren> interesting
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| 22:51 | <Enslaver> cow filesystem
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| 22:51 | <warren> unionfs-fuse is a file-level overlay?
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| 22:51 | <Enslaver> ltsp-moo
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| 22:52 | copy on write fuse module
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| 22:52 | <warren> at the file level, not block level right?
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| 22:52 | <Enslaver> correct
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| 22:52 | <warren> Fedora's dm-snap livecd overlays haven't worked well
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| 22:52 | block-level overlay
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| 22:52 | <Enslaver> i looked at those
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| 22:52 | <warren> it's garbage
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| 22:53 | <Enslaver> i thought fuse might have some native cow implementation
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| 22:53 | <warren> fuse itself is pretty stupid
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| 22:53 | it does whatever you implement
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| 22:54 | err, but why do you need an overlay filesystem?
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| 22:54 | <Enslaver> you'll see
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| 22:54 | i've been having quite some fun with nfs, nbd, rwtab and stateless devices
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| 22:57 | <warren> ok, so you have changes on top of ltsp upstream source and updated .spec files?
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| 22:57 | <Hyperbyte> Hi Warren. :)
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| 22:57 | <Enslaver> yes
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| 22:58 | I also included lsb
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| 22:58 | * Enslaver ducks. | |
| 22:58 | <warren> huh?
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| 22:58 | <Enslaver> linux standards base
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| 22:59 | have a look at /opt/ltsp/BUILD/ltsp-enslaver/ltsp.spec
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| 23:01 | <warren> hold
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| 23:01 | <warren> Enslaver: what kind of bandwidth does this host have?
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| 23:01 | Enslaver: upload
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| 23:01 | <Enslaver> 50mbit
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| 23:01 | oh, upload?
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| 23:01 | <warren> yeah
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| 23:01 | <Enslaver> right at 8mbit
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| 23:02 | <warren> Enslaver: want to upload it to my linux mirror? I have pretty much unlimited bandwidth.
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| 23:02 | Enslaver: if we have testers using this repo, don't want it hitting your home network
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| 23:02 | <Enslaver> sure, want the whole vm?
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| 23:02 | <warren> err...
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| 23:02 | hmm
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| 23:02 | good question
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| 23:02 | we could do builds in the VM
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| 23:02 | <Enslaver> Because I dont have the server part packaged yet
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| 23:02 | <warren> oh
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| 23:03 | <Enslaver> the only reason the client is was to make it easier for me to test
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| 23:03 | I run other servers out of my home network, (yes, I have a rack at my house), so i don't mind
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| 23:04 | plus it's VLAN'd out so you can't sniff my porn traffic
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| 23:04 | errr i mean resarch
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| 23:04 | :)
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| 23:04 | <warren> sorry, send me the login details agai
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| 23:04 | again
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