IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 October 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:48 | <us3598> Anyone hanging around?
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| 01:49 | Could use some LTSP setup advice
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| 02:09 | <sbalneav> Whatchoo need?
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| 02:12 | <us3598> So, I setup LTSP on an Ubuntu 14.04 VM, got it running so now thin clients will pull the image built, however once logged into the OS it pulls a full unity desktop (painfully slow performance), and all I need it to do is immediately RDP into our windows terminal server (preferably without tc login)
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| 02:12 | I don't even need a desktop at all, just an immediate RDP into our windows terminal server with USB device passthrough
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| 02:12 | Thanks for responding, BTW
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| 02:13 | <sbalneav> http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Integration#Rdesktop
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| 02:13 | Think that's what you want
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| 02:15 | <us3598> Yea I found that script, but is there a way to 1: prevent the unity desktop from loading at all (since the performance is so slow RDesktop wont even render a usable screen), or switch the Unity for old scool gnome or xfce? and 2: Is there a way to bypass thin client login entirely and just (as far as the end user is concerned) pxe boot 'right into windows'
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| 02:16 | <sbalneav> That's exactly what that does.
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| 02:16 | It doesn't load a desktop, it just runs rdesktop.
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| 02:17 | <us3598> K, I'll give it a shot and let you know. Are you going to be hanging around for a bit?
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| 02:17 | <sbalneav> Note: you need to make sure xfreerdp/rdesktop is installed in the chroot.
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| 02:17 | yeah, for a bit.
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| 02:17 | <us3598> which one do you suggest?
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| 02:19 | <sbalneav> Neither: they both are used to access windows. :D
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| 02:24 | <us3598> Sorry, I'm kind of a noob to linux...how do I chroot into LTSP? and I can't find an lts.conf
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| 02:27 | <sbalneav> http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-chroot
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| 02:27 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Configuration
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| 02:28 | By default one doesn't exist
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| 02:28 | So you just have to create it
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| 02:28 | <us3598> groups: cannot find name for group ID 127
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| 02:28 | thanks again btw :)
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| 02:46 | I get a TFTP open timeout now on the client
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| 02:55 | I've restarted the tftpd-hpa process
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| 02:55 | Still nothing...any suggestions
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| 02:56 | oops
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| 03:05 | I'm going to try ltsp from an opensuse distro, since I can't figure it out on Ubuntu
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| 03:18 | <sbalneav> Well, I'd need to know what you did :D
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| 03:26 | <us3598> hah, I guess so, eh? Well, first I opened gedit and created /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 03:27 | then I put the following in: [Default]
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| 03:27 | LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 03:27 | SCREEN_07 = rdesktop
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| 03:27 | RDP_SERVER = 10.1.1.2
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| 03:27 | RDP_OPTIONS = "-r sound:local" '-r disk:Drives=/media/root"
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| 03:28 | and then saved, did ltsp-update-image, then tried to boot clients
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| 03:28 | I restarted the tftpd-hpa process from terminal as well, and rebooted the machine
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| 03:31 | Now I get TFTP open timeout during PXE boot.
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| 03:40 | You around still?
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| 04:05 | <Guest17554> Just wondering what popularity of LTSP is lately. I am absolutely loving it and shocked it's not in every school, business, and home.
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| 04:06 | Is growth good?
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| 04:21 | <us3598> hello?
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| 04:25 | <work_alkisg> Hello
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| 04:27 | <us3598> Ji
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| 04:27 | I was on here trying to get some advice about an ltsp setup....are you someone who could give a poor, overworked IT guy a hand?
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> Yup, but I have limited time, so let's sum up...
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| 04:29 | You're still on Ubuntu, but haven't booted any clients yet?
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| 04:29 | <us3598> Well, I keep getting the damned TFTP open timeout
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| 04:29 | I just installed an opensuse vm with kiwi, ame thing
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| 04:29 | <alkisg> But, they were booting before, right? What changed?
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| 04:30 | <us3598> Just the creation of the config file
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> Nah, lts.conf isn't related to tftp
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| 04:30 | Maybe you have 2 dhcp servers
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| 04:30 | One in the vm and one outside, and now the outside one answers?
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| 04:31 | So they're timing out because they're looking to the wrong dhcp/tftp server...
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| 04:31 | <us3598> Maybe, but it's still grabbing a pxe signal from the correct IP
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| 04:31 | I only have the one VM running, and stopped all tftp servers on the windows side
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> !tftp
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| 04:31 | <ltsp`> tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 04:32 | <us3598> I'll give it a shout
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| 04:32 | shot*. Thanks
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> np, ask again once you get dhcp/tftp going, or even if you don't :)
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| 04:33 | <us3598> The only thing bugging me is that in the OpenSuse VM, it's doing the same thing....appreciate the help
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> It's probably wrong dhcp settings
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| 04:33 | Try `tftp get` from some other machine to verify that tftp is fine
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| 04:33 | And then use ipxe/config command to see the dhcp settings
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> You shouldn't be having 2 dhcp servers at the same network, switch to proxydhcp instead
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| 04:34 | !proxydhcp
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| 04:34 | <ltsp`> proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> ...or modify your main dhcp server to point to the vm for booting
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| 04:35 | <us3598> Gotcha...I'll give all of this a try
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| 05:21 | <us3598> Are you still on?
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| 05:22 | any LTSP gurus around?
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| 05:23 | !dnsmasq
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| 05:23 | <ltsp`> Error: "dnsmasq" is not a valid command.
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| 05:24 | <us3598> !tftp
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| 05:24 | <ltsp`> tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 05:27 | <alkisg> !ask | echo us3598
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| 05:27 | <ltsp`> us3598 ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 05:50 | <cstk421> does ltsp support a sign on page that a user can login to their windows vm from any thin client location ?
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| 06:51 | <work_alkisg> cstk421: yes, http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Integration#Rdesktop
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| 06:51 | <cstk421> thx
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| 10:10 | <Guest50814> εγκατέστησα geogebra & schetch pad στον 'σερβερ και προσπαθησα να εγκαταστήσω το scratch 2.0, δεν πέτυχε ως προς το scratch 2.0, έκανα δημοσιοποίηση εικονικού δίσκου, και τώρα δε μπαίνουν οι clients στο ltsp
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| 10:20 | <muppis> !greek
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| 10:20 | <ltsp`> greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 17:30 | <us3598> Anyone hanging around?
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 17:35 | <ltsp`> question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 17:52 | <Sydcul> Hello
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| 17:53 | When I log in using my client I do get a desktop but no menu bars of anything
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| 17:53 | There is a cursor though
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| 17:53 | Running Ubuntu 14.04.1 on AMD64, client is i386
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| 17:54 | So then I found a (possible) fix on the Ubuntu forums, it stated that I had to include this in lts.conf: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="VGA1 --off"
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| 17:54 | I tried it, but my lts.conf does not get read at all
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| 17:55 | So then I tried putting it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and updating the image, but I couldn't input an arch and the amd64 image won't work for my i386 client.
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| 17:56 | lts.conf has permissions 0604, also tried 774 but to no avail
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| 17:58 | Also, using getltscfg -a gets me an error, but I can use cat with the full path just fine
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| 17:59 | lts.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8534496/
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| 18:00 | Hello
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| 18:02 | I don't know if IRC works so if you read this please tell.
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> Sydcul: so the XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 command is if it's detecting multiple monitors
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| 18:03 | Sydcul: how did you confirm your lts.conf wasn't read?
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| 18:06 | <Sydcul> Well none of the config entries work
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| 18:07 | Besides, when using getltscfg -a (which simulates what LTSP does when it reads the config) says there's no config found
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| 18:08 | Even though it does exist
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> where are you running "getltscfg -a" from?
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| 18:29 | i.e. an xterm on the client? a shell running on the client? an xterm running on the server?
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| 18:29 | Sydcul_: ^^
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| 18:29 | Sydcul_: and where are you editing lts.conf ? and what's your dhcp server configuration?
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| 19:25 | <Sydcul_> xterm from the client, using the "failsafe xterm" option
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| 19:25 | lts.conf is edited from the server
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> yes, but where?
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| 19:26 | i.e. /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
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| 19:26 | <Sydcul_> The i386 directory in the tftp root
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| 19:26 | yes that one
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> and your dhcp configuration?
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| 19:26 | <muppis> For some reason my PS/2 mouse doesn't work in fat client. :(
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> muppis: but thin client is fine?
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| 19:27 | <Sydcul_> DHCP: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8534990/
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| 19:27 | <muppis> vagrantc, actually I can't say right now. Haven't tested yet.
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| 19:28 | Need to wait debootstrap to finish so I can reboot.
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> Sydcul_: it's probably trying to download lts.conf from your router
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| 19:28 | Sydcul_: did you configure with ipappend 3 ?
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| 19:28 | <Sydcul_> I don't know what that means, so probably, no.
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> Sydcul_: in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 19:29 | <Sydcul_> Ok, I'll try that
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| 19:29 | Oh, I did, yes.
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| 19:29 | Using a command: sudo sed -i 's/ipappend 2/ipappend 3/g' /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 19:30 | When I did not it didn't even boot into LTSP
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| 19:30 | But I could even login (into xterm)
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| 19:34 | <muppis> vagrantc, with thin works fine. Doesn't make any difference that thin is 32 bit and fat 64 bit?
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> muppis: you rebuilt the chroot to test?
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| 19:50 | <muppis> vagrantc, now building 64 bit thin for test.
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> Sydcul: is ldm-server installed on your server?
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| 19:51 | muppis: you know you can switch between thin and fat by setting LTSP_FATCLIENT=true/false ?
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| 19:51 | (presuming you have the desktop packages installed for a fat client)
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| 19:52 | <muppis> I know, but I want to be sure. :)
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| 19:53 | <Sydcul> Ok, so I had the wrong MAC address (used the wifi card's one) and forgot some config things, my lts.conf now works.
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| 19:54 | Yes, it is installed and works (sortof)
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| 19:54 | Now I still have the problem that I'm stuck on a desktop with only a cursor
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| 19:55 | I have no other computers available ATM
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| 19:55 | Except for the 2007 Sony with Core 2 Duo and 2GB RAM, so it should work (with 3D acceleration)
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> Sydcul: is it unity? could you try another desktop environment?
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| 20:00 | Sydcul: unity or gnome don't exactly have the best track records for thin client support
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| 20:00 | <Sydcul> It is indeed unity
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> Sydcul: or are you running them as fat clients?
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| 20:00 | <Sydcul> Would LXDE work? I'm planning on using that anyway
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| 20:01 | Thin
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> i've had good luck with lxde
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| 20:01 | Sydcul: your hardware is definitely nice enough to consider fat clients...
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| 20:01 | <Sydcul> Then I'll try that, see how it goes
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> Sydcul: the thin client will likely be idle most of the time
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| 20:02 | <muppis> vagrantc, just noticed.. This 32 bit is fat as well.. o.0
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| 20:02 | <Sydcul> This isn't my definitive hardware, I am going to use this in a corporate environment with thin-client hardware
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| 20:02 | I just have the notebook for testing
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| 20:06 | vagrantc: After installing LXDE, how do I set it to be used by LTSP? I still want to use Unity on the "server".
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| 20:06 | Which is actually my dev pc.
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| 20:13 | I think I've got it.
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> LDM_SESSION
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| 20:15 | or LDM_FORCE_SESSION
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| 20:15 | sessions in /usr/share/xsessions/
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| 20:16 | i.e. LDM_SESSION=LXDE for /usr/share/xsessions/LXDE.desktop
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| 20:22 | <Sydcul> I've got it.
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| 20:22 | Finally!
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| 20:22 | Thank you very much, vagrantc!
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| 20:22 | It was LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/startlxde
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 20:23 | while that should work, it's really for backwards compatibility
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| 20:24 | really should specify the name of the .desktop file.
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| 20:26 | <Sydcul> Ok, thanks
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| 21:01 | <muppis> vagrantc, mouse works fine with 64 bit thin. I think there was something broken in fat, but that's not problem anymore. :)
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> muppis: my hunch would be mismatched module versions
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| 21:06 | muppis: i.e. you were booting a kernel version different from what was in the image
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