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| 14:05 | <Hyperbyte> Ubuntu 12.04, Gnome fallback... identical client hardware, different displays for each client though... certain clients are enormously slow with animations. The animation where the top panel slowly moves down while it starts takes a minute... changing desktop background takes half a minute (the actual fading from one background to another)
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| 14:06 | <Hyperbyte> I'm curious why only on certain clients those animations are so enormously slow, and how I can remedy it.. or else maybe how I can disable all those animations...
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: lack of hardware 3d acceleration?
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| 14:13 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, definitely that.
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| 14:13 | But why only on some clients?
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | grep -A3 VGA on the clients
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| 14:13 | Check that they really do have the same cards
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| 14:13 | If yes, xorg.log...
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| 14:14 | I don't think that the gnome-fallback (no effects) session has animations though...
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| 14:15 | gnome-classic.desktop:Exec=gnome-session --session=gnome-classic
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| 14:15 | gnome-fallback.desktop:Exec=gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
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| 14:15 | The later shouldn't have any effects
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
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| 14:16 | 100% identical.
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| 14:17 | LDM_XSESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: so, glxinfo is the same or different on those clients?
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| 14:17 | <Hyperbyte> I bet I have to execute that one on the client?
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> It needs X access
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| 14:18 | <Hyperbyte> Ah, I can run it on the server?
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> It needs access to the *client* X display :)
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| 14:18 | But if you export the necessary variables, sure you can also run it on the server
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| 14:19 | <Hyperbyte> I mean, I can just run it from a server terminal of a logged in user?
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> Yup, same as local, as the X server is one
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| 14:20 | <Hyperbyte> Right.
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| 14:21 | I can't say those outputs are identical no.
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> Next, client's xorg.0.log => pastebin
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| 14:22 | <Hyperbyte> The slow one I assume?
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> Both, to be easier to compare
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| 14:28 | <Hyperbyte> http://users.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/animtroubleshoot/
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| 14:28 | 'jan' is client without problems, 'bianca' is insanely slow with animations
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)
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| 14:30 | That means software rendering, i.e. it's depending solely on the client CPU
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| 14:30 | <Hyperbyte> Which one? jan or bianca?
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> ...your CPU is a lot better, I presume? :D
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| 14:30 | Both
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| 14:31 | <Hyperbyte> Interesting.
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| 14:31 | Clients are identical.
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> LTSP sets that for thin clients
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| 14:31 | So that they at least have 3d active, even if slow
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| 14:32 | <Hyperbyte> Clients are both LTSP Term 1720's. Only difference is in attached displays. Bianca has dual view, with one 21" I think and one 19"
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| 14:32 | And I have single screen, one 23"
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Hrm. There goes the CPU theory, then...
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| 14:32 | <Hyperbyte> I actually thought it was related to that...
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> But the glxinfo is essentially identical, I thought you said it wasn't
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| 14:34 | <Hyperbyte> I ran a diff and they weren't
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Just the index numbers, nothing significant
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| 14:35 | <Hyperbyte> Ah.
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| 14:35 | Did you see there's some funky things going on in my Xorg log?
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| 14:35 | EQ overflowing
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| 14:36 | Whatever that means.
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| 14:37 | Anyway... any ideas what I need to do to solve this?
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| 14:37 | Any idea why it's not using the GPU?
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> I don't think 3D over X really works
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| 14:38 | * alkisg always uses good clients as fats | |
| 14:38 | <alkisg> 3d over the network, sorry
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| 14:39 | So, you don't have compiz running, do you?
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| 14:39 | <Hyperbyte> How do I check?
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> ps aux|grep compiz
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| 14:40 | <Hyperbyte> Client?
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Client, gnome-terminal
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| 14:40 | Or server, wherever
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| 14:40 | Just not locally on the client
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| 14:40 | <Hyperbyte> Ah, okay
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| 14:40 | Nothing running.
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> Can you login as jan on the other computer, to test if it's some user setting?
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| 14:42 | <Hyperbyte> Not at this moment
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| 14:42 | Bianca won't like that. :)
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| 14:42 | I've annoyed her enough for today.
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> You could test with a new user in your client, but that'd only catch half of the cases...
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| 14:43 | <Hyperbyte> She's not here tomorrow, I can try then.
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| 14:43 | But I believe it's not user-dependant
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| 14:44 | I recall my colleague who doesn't have the same problem (also single display) logged in somewhere else and having insanely slow animations
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| 14:44 | But I can't say for 100% sure, so would have to test tomorrow.
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> OK, it does sound strange to be monitor-related though
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| 14:46 | <Hyperbyte> Unfortunately I'm not experiencing the problems myself, else I could test more easily.
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| 15:30 | <muppis> !win32-loader
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| 15:30 | <ltsp> muppis: win32-loader: win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/ (if someone could write a wiki page for that it'd be great, a Greek page you can translate as a starting point is available at (1 more message)
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> so windows is good for something after all :)
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| 15:44 | <muppis> vagrantc :D
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| 15:46 | Yeah, in most cases, when I get used machine, start it once to Windows just to visit http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ :D
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did you say you had more plans pending for ltsp and ldm
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| 15:59 | ?
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I thought the rc for printers was in ldm, but it was in ltsp, I pushed a fix
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| 15:59 | I mainly have the sudo bug to fix, the others can wait till post-freeze
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| 16:00 | vagrantc: could you test if `sudo gedit` works in wheezy, when ran from a thin client?
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> as in, post-wheezy?
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> I get access denied...
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: can't really test right now
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> Yeah, post-wheezy, I don't have anything major for it
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: run froom the thin client console or in localapps
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| 16:00 | ?
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> From a thin client session on the server
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| 16:01 | The same thing works with XDMCP and NX, but not with LTSP
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> huh
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> I wonder if it's related to consolekit...
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| 16:01 | <muppis> Opens nicely.
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> muppis: distro/version etc?
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| 16:02 | <muppis> Ubtuntu 12.04, 32 bit client, 64 bit server.
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> muppis: anything "weird" in your installation, that could fix it for you? E.g. nfs home, ldap, ...
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| 16:02 | <muppis> Nope.
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and it works if logged in on the server directly?
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> OK, then it's probably related to ltsp-pnp, sch-scripts, bindfs or the other stuff we're using
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| 16:03 | vagrantc: yup
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| 16:04 | * alkisg will test with a thin chroot generated with ltsp-build-client... | |
| 16:04 | * vagrantc wonders what magic allows that to work | |
| 16:05 | <alkisg> Ah, although muppis is using ubuntu ltsp, not debian ltsp, so we have a bit of version mismatching there
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| 16:05 | Can't think of anything that would affect sudo though
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| 16:10 | <muppis> What just happened.. At client's root shell I accidentally mountede local hdd as root and ofcourse can't unmount it.
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> lsof /mnt tells you what uses it
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| 16:14 | <muppis> Well, in 1 Gbps network it's quicker to reboot than try to find it out. :)
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| 16:16 | When having Client -- Switch -- Switch -- Server -topology is it normal that TFTP times out?
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| 16:16 | Both switches are 1Gbps.
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> Works for me
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> muppis: is it a smart switch? you might have issues if spanningtree is enabled on both or something
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, and another thing to fix before wheezy would be the ltsp logo rectangle in ldm shifting to the left when the user presses enter, have you noticed that in debian?
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| 16:22 | <muppis> vagrantc, from server side first is unmanaged and second is dd-wrt based.
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've noticed the login screen shift sometimes ... no idea how to fix
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> It doesn't affect anything, but it's annoying... I"ll have a look after the sudo thing
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| 16:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's like a progress bar ... you know something is happening :)
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Haha we should be moving it depending on progress then... when it's out of the screen, you're logged in :P
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> hah
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| 16:24 | sounds like ideas for a joke UI
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> muppis: you did try `sudo gedit` and not e.g. `sudo xterm`, right? Apps that don't use dbus don't have the sudo problem for me...
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| 16:36 | <muppis> alkisg, yes, and edited /etc/hosts no make sure it was launched correctly.
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| 16:36 | s/no/to/
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> muppis: /etc/hosts? what for?
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| 16:37 | <muppis> To just make sure.
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> What did you change there?
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| 16:37 | <muppis> Just added a comment. :)
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> OK, thank you
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| 16:42 | <muppis> http://i.imgur.com/EFkGp.png
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> Got it, ok, will look at what's wrong with my setup...
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| 16:48 | <[omicron]> hi guys
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 16:49 | <[omicron]> i'm trying to modify the Preferences menu in the LDM main screen, but I can't find which file controls this options
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| 16:49 | could anyone help me?
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> There's no file to control that menu, it's hardcoded in its C source code
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| 16:50 | What do you want to modify?
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| 16:50 | <[omicron]> ahmmm okok
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| 16:50 | I want to remove all the options except reboot and shutdown
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> You can force session + language, and that hides them
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| 16:51 | But only with very very recent ltsp versions
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| 16:51 | <[omicron]> interesting
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| 16:52 | it is possible to supress the backend too?
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| 16:55 | <[omicron]> alkisg: I modified my lts.conf adding LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback" and LDM_LANGUAGE=es_ES.UTF-8 but it is still appearing on my clients
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| 16:55 | there is another option to hide this preferences?
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> (07:51:40 μμ) alkisg: But only with very very recent ltsp versions
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| 16:56 | Which ltsp version are you using?
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| 16:56 | And distribution etc?
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| 16:56 | <[omicron]> I'm using edubuntu 12.04 and the ltsp in the main repos
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> Right, it's not recent enough then
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| 16:56 | You need ldm 2.2.10
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| 16:56 | <[omicron]> not enough? OMG :)
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| 16:56 | <[omicron]> ok
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| 16:57 | I'll install it tomorrow
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| 16:57 | thank you very much alkisg
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> You're welcome, note though that LDM 2.2.10 isn't available in the Ubuntu repositories
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| 16:57 | <[omicron]> ok, I will try using sources
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| 16:57 | pray for me
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> There's a PPA
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| 16:58 | <[omicron]> :D
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> OK
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| 16:58 | <[omicron]> thanks
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| 16:58 | bye
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> `sudo gedit` problem solved :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2364
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| 18:56 | <muppis> Good. :D
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| 18:59 | * alkisg is wondering what other problems the machine id could cause though, because all thin client sessions on the server would have the same machine id... maybe we'll even see less application crashes now :D | |
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| 20:13 | <jori> Hi Folks, anybody out there who could help me to activate the fglrx-driver in my ltsp-image via chroot-shell ? (fglrx is installed)
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| 20:28 | calling aticonfig in chroot results in error: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. No supported adapters detected . . .
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| 20:30 | <muppis> jori, with Ati in firstplace is kind of luck, if you get it working in linux with closed source drivers. Yet another matter get them working in client.
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| 20:32 | <jori> Same mashine, same release(precise) no problem . . .
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| 20:33 | even in ltsp under oneiric it was no problem . . .
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| 20:34 | <jori> even in ltsp image. Unfortunately I had to set up the Image completely new, because an update was not possible.
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| 20:35 | now it doesnt work anymore.
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| 20:37 | alkisg told me, that from this version on a release update of the image would be possible, finally. But that doesnt resolve my prob here.
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| 20:41 | @muppis: Is there any kind of trick how to manage this without the help of gui-jockey?
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| 20:41 | <||cw> jori: you'd need to run that in an actual client, and whatever it generayes copy back to your image
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| 20:41 | or if it's scriptable, add it as an rc-script
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| 20:45 | <jori> @muppis: that sounds beyond my newbie-knowledge. Where do I find the files to copy after being successful?
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