IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <daya> channel, I have configured ltsp http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto by follwoing lower step, and configure asound.conf as in Readme file, but sound still not working
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| 00:02 | <moquist> Hmm. But stat only ever works once per mount, and not consistently.
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| 00:02 | <daya> any suggestion,
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| 01:05 | <daya> ogra, I have installed ltsp by following lower step of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto, and configure to use sound as in READEME.sound file but still sound is not working
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| 01:05 | ogra, any idea,
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| 01:06 | ogra, I have tested using totem, and installed libgstreamer-plugins-pulse0.10-0 also,
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| 07:13 | <sonjag> Good morning. I have a server running edubuntu 7.04 that is running as just a file server (NFS) for my home folder. There is an application called evince-thumbnail that keeps running hard. It's always on the top of top and taking up quite a bit of of CPU power. When I ps this process, I get the following result...
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| 07:13 | borg 7146 99.9 0.3 31288 15464 ? R 08:01 9:15 evince-thumbnailer -s 128 file:///home/borg/Desktop/FOPRT01.PDF /tmp/.gnome_thumbnail.LZIG1T
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| 07:13 | <ogra> disable it in gconf-editor
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| 07:13 | unless you feel you urgently need pdf thumbnails :)
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| 07:14 | run it as: sudo gconf-editor
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| 07:14 | <sonjag> Ogra: Nope, no urgent need. Can you tell me what to do in gconf-editor? Used it before but not for this.
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| 07:14 | <ogra> unset the keys for the pdf thumbnailer and make them default and mandatory (in the context menu for the key)
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| 07:15 | that will disable it systemwide
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| 07:16 | you look for /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf i think
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| 07:17 | <ogra> (there might be others for zipped pdf etc ... look for them as well)
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| 07:17 | <sonjag> ogra: I got that far. I see 2 options there: command and enable. Enable is checked. Is that what you recommend to uncheck?
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| 07:20 | <ogra> right
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| 07:20 | ten right click the key and make it default and mandatory
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| 07:21 | <sonjag> okay, did that.
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| 07:21 | Evince-thumbnailer is still running from before. Can I just pkill that?
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| 07:21 | <ogra> unless a user has fiddled with it manually that should be disabled systemwide now for all newly logged in users
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| 07:21 | yes, you can kill it
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| 07:22 | <sonjag> Thanks! And good afternoon (?) to you. Back home now?
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| 07:22 | <ogra> yep
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| 07:22 | since monday
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| 07:22 | still recovering from jetlag :)
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| 07:23 | <sonjag> Almost time to kick back for you :)
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| 07:25 | <sonjag> argh... one more thing. I can't seem to get the syntax for killing this process. Help?
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| 07:25 | <ogra> sudo killall -9 evince-thumbnailer
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| 07:26 | should kill them all at once
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| 07:27 | <sonjag> Still the little things for me... forgot to sudo so it wasn't doing anything. Thanks!
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| 07:27 | <ogra> :)
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| 07:33 | <sonjag> top
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| 07:33 | oops, wrong window....
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| 07:35 | <gamed|ph> hi
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| 07:37 | I'm using edubuntu with LTSP and have a dedicated maschine for DHCP and TFTP... how I can tell my clients to use the ip of the LTSP-Server?
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| 07:37 | <gamed|ph> kernel parameter in pxelinux.0/default?
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| 07:37 | *pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:39 | <ogra> which release ?
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| 07:39 | tsk
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| 07:49 | <cliebow_> ogra: append="quiet splash nbdport=2001"???
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| 07:49 | <ogra> yep
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| 07:49 | <cliebow_> Cool!
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| 07:50 | <ogra> (if the ppc image is on 2001 indeed)
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| 07:50 | make sure to use the port defined in inetd.conf
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| 07:50 | <cliebow_> yessiree!!
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| 07:53 | ltsp-update-image created an i386 image..but not powerpc.img
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| 07:54 | last words..port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf
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| 07:54 | Info : taking no action
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| 07:55 | inetd seems listening on 2001...
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| 07:56 | <ogra> is ppc listed in the config for port 2001 ?
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| 07:56 | shoudl point to /opt/ltsp/images/powerpc.img
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| 07:58 | to update a ppc iage you would use: sudo ltsp-update-image -a powerpc
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| 07:58 | *image
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| 07:58 | <cliebow_> ok!
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| 07:58 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 07:58 | 2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/powerpc.img
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| 07:58 | <ogra> perfect
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| 07:58 | <cliebow_> Very good.,ill try that
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| 07:58 | <ogra> ltsp-update-image --help has some intresting info btw :)
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| 07:59 | <cliebow_> great..\
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| 07:59 | little endian?
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| 08:00 | <ogra> shouldnt matter
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| 08:00 | <cliebow_> ok..give er a whirl
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| 08:17 | <masus> hi all, whats the different between BOOTP and PXE
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| 08:17 | can i boot from dhcp with both of them
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> masus: bootp's an old protocol
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| 08:24 | <masus> is it possible to use it ltsp ?
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| 08:24 | with ltsp
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Ok, perhaps you could explain why you want to? Most people now use dhcp/pxe
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| 08:26 | <masus> my pc's have only these protocol bootp
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> What kind of pc's are these?
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| 08:28 | <masus> old pc's i think pentium II
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| 08:28 | i'll see one mom
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> I doubt they're really bootp. I suspect standard dhcp/pxe will work on them.
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| 08:29 | <masus> Pentium II (Deschutes) cpu MHz : 348.948
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| 08:29 | howto activate it dhcp/pxe ?
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| 08:29 | on the clients
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> Usually, you just select "Network boot" in the bios setup
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| 08:30 | <masus> yes
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| 08:30 | but it says me
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| 08:30 | can't find bootp server
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| 08:30 | bootp canceled by keystroke
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> Well, do you have a dhcp/tftp server set up?
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| 08:31 | <masus> yes well, my new pc's are working fine
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| 08:31 | only the old ones not ...
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| 08:31 | <sbalneav> ok, so then maybe they won't work.
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| 08:31 | so you've got a couple of options.
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| 08:32 | 1) Replace the ethernet cards in them with something else that supports pxe.
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| 08:32 | <masus> so that was the answer i think
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| 08:32 | <sbalneav> 2) Put etherboot on a floppy and boot them that way.
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| 08:32 | <masus> is pxe from mainboard or from ethernet card
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> It can be either.
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| 08:33 | Intel E100 cards come with pxe on the card.
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| 08:34 | so simply disable the onboard ethernet port in the bios, and the card's pxe will take over.
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| 08:34 | <masus> so i have to disable Network Boot ??
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| 08:34 | in bios ..
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> No, not network boot.
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| 08:34 | <masus> oh sorry, it's not onboard
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> ok, so what kind of ethernet card is it?
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| 08:35 | <masus> one mom
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| 08:35 | 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05)
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> That will boot pxe
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| 08:36 | Go into the card setup
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| 08:36 | <masus> card setup ?
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> alt s or control s or something like that.
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| 08:36 | when the bios boots, you should see a message
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| 08:36 | go in there, and change the boot protocol from BOOTP to PXE
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| 08:36 | <masus> ooo ok i'll try one mom please
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> That's an E100 card.
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| 08:37 | <masus> ok one mom please i'll try
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Morning gadi
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| 08:42 | ogra: You about now?
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> morning
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| 08:42 | whats the word on the street?
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> I hear Gadi's got a bad internet connection, that's what I hear :)
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| 08:44 | <masus> nothing :/
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| 08:44 | <vistr> masus, may be possible to update the firmware on the ethernet cards??
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| 08:45 | <masus> bios or ethernet cards ?
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| 08:45 | :)
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> masus: Did you get into the setup for the card?
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| 08:46 | <masus> no
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| 08:46 | it's not working ,
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| 08:46 | alt+s or ctrl+s
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| 08:46 | i have try it 3 times
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> What message does it say? Do you see the ether express message on the bios bootup?
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| 08:47 | <masus> i see only bootp cancelled by keystroke
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| 08:48 | and then debian
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| 08:48 | :)
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> Well, I have those cards, and I know you can get into the card's setup, and select either bootp or pxe
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| 08:50 | As well, you may be able to update the firmware on the card.
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| 08:51 | <vistr> went and checked my cards they are a rev08, updated the firmware on the cards two weeks ago
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| 08:52 | <masus> maybe i have to update my bios ..
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| 08:52 | it's an old version 1999 :/
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| 08:54 | <cliebow_> weird:tftp stops midway...
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| 08:55 | <cliebow_> 36000 packets and stops
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> I hear Gadi's got a bad internet connection, that's what I hear on the streets. :)
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> lol
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| 08:56 | <vistr> Intel® PRO/100+ Management Adapter, update firmware with Intel Boot Agent for Intel Network Adapters 12.3
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> I know!
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| 08:56 | turn around and gaim crashes
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| 09:06 | <sonjag> morning everyone!
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Morning
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| 09:09 | Urgh.
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| 09:09 | This isn't good
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| 09:09 | feniks$ bzr commit -m "New upstream layout"
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| 09:09 | bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.UnlockableTransport: Cannot lock: transport is read only: <bzrlib.transport.http._pycurl.PyCurlTransport url=http://ltsp.org/%7Esbalneav/ltspfs/.bzr/repository/>
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| 09:09 | Traceback (most recent call last):
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| 09:09 | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 817, in run_bzr_catch_errors
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| 09:09 | return run_bzr(argv)
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| 09:09 | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib/commands.py", line 779, in run_bzr
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| 09:10 | What's wrong with this silly thing, I wonder
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| 09:10 | <cliebow_> my silly thing is broken too...
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| 09:11 | <sonjag> sbalneav, can you tell me where to read up on the load balancing you told me about at the summit? I'd like to try that out.
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| 09:12 | sbalneav, oops, when you're not working on the really intense stuff you just posted :)
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> sonjag: It's in the edubuntu handbook
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| 09:13 | Already installed on your gutsy box :)
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| 09:14 | <sonjag> sbalneav, I'm not gutsy, I'm fiesty. Is it in my version too?
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> No
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| 09:15 | load balancing's only in gutsy.
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| 09:18 | <sonjag> sbalneav, bummer! I guess I'm back to dhcp load balancing or separating my machines on the lan unless I get gutsy enough to upgrade to gutsy.....
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| 10:01 | <masus> sbalneav:are u there ?
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> masus: Yep
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| 10:03 | <masus> how to make (PXE boot) firmware update for the 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05)
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| 10:04 | <masus> :)
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> Don't know. Download the update from Intel, and follow their instructions.
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| 10:04 | <masus> oh ok
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> I haven't had to update firmware on a card for a long time.
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| 10:08 | <lns> can anyone URL me on ubuntu/edubuntu localapp documentation for muekow?
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> Doesn't exist...
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| 10:09 | yet :)
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| 10:09 | <lns> oh. =)
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> We're working on it for hardy.
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| 10:09 | <lns> docs don't exist, or localapp support doesn't?
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> http://ltspthinclient.blogspot.com/
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| 10:10 | localapp doesn't
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| 10:10 | <lns> oucccccccccccch
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> we're going to be working on it over the next couple of months
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| 10:10 | <lns> right on =)
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> localapps has NEVER really existed.
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| 10:10 | it's always been a huge PITA to set up.
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| 10:10 | <lns> interesting =) yeah, that's what i've always gathered when reading about it
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| 10:11 | <ogra> it wont be anymore :)
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| 10:11 | <lns> =)
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> That's the plan, stan.
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| 10:11 | <lns> that is always very good news!
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> ogra: saw you just commented on the ltspfs bug.
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| 10:11 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> What do we want to do to push out a fix?
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| 10:12 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> Should I update my tree on launchpad, and you can push an update?
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| 10:13 | <ogra> yep
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> ok, gimme a few minutes
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| 10:14 | * ogra needs to read up about the process ... | |
| 10:14 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 10:15 | <daya> channel, I have installed LTSP by follwoing lower part of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto in etch , and configure as said in README.sound file but,sound still not working in client,
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| 10:15 | I have also installed the required plugins for sound application such as xmms, and totem to use pulseaudio,
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| 10:15 | from pulseaudio.org
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> ogra: ok, both ltspfs-upstream and scotts-gutsy have been pushed.
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| 10:20 | <ogra> yay
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> ltspfs-upstream should be rev 13, scotts-gutsy rev 487
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| 10:32 | <ltsppbot> "lns" pasted "libflashsupport" (45 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/351
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> lns: Where'd you get the source from?
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| 10:34 | <lns> sbalneav, sorry - wrong chan. i got it straight from revolutionlinux though
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| 10:35 | <nep> daya, sound should work , as it is well described in the README file,
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| 10:35 | daya, perhaps other experts in the channel may assist u
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> lns: they have a bzr repo? Or do you have a link to the download?
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| 10:36 | fgiraldeau isn't here.
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| 10:37 | <lns> sbalneav, it was right from their site..lemme find it
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| 10:39 | <ltsppbot> "lns" pasted "libflashsupport" (105 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/352
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| 10:40 | <lns> ogra, that's what happens after -Werror is removed from the makefile
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| 10:57 | <ogra> warnings are not turned into errors anymore
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| 10:57 | but you are missing all the build-deps
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| 10:57 | <lns> ogra, gotcha...i'm installing the deps as we type...very slow connection at the schools right now for some reason
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| 10:57 | <ogra> the dev files for esd, libpulse and libssl
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| 10:58 | <lns> i need devs for esd in gutsy?
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| 10:59 | <ogra> you could comment out all esd related stuff in the makefile and code
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| 10:59 | but its easier to just install the libesd-dev package
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| 11:00 | <lns> klausade, i'll do that...i just didn't know how that worked w/pulseaudio now. do you have any good documentation on how pulse/alsa/etc is set up w/ltsp? I need to study that
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| 11:00 | err...ogra =p
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| 11:03 | <ogra> on the client the standard ubuntu alsa setup cares for the drivers ... on top of that pulseaudio is started listening on a native pulse port and on a esd emulation port
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| 11:04 | <ogra> if you log in to your session a bunch of variables is set ...
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| 11:04 | PULSE_SERVER and ESPEAKER are among them
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| 11:04 | <lns> ogra, that makes it much clearer... =) Thank you
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| 11:04 | <ogra> they tell an pulse or esound client to redirect to the clients soundcard
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| 11:05 | on top of that libasound-plugins sits with a pulse modules and emulates an alsa soundcard
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| 11:05 | <lns> hmm
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| 11:05 | <ogra> so the default output for your sound should always be alsa
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| 11:05 | <lns> oh
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| 11:06 | i wonder if that might have something to do with it
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| 11:06 | besides the obvious no libflashsupport that is...i configured for everything to be 'pulseaudio' in the gnome sound config
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| 11:06 | <ogra> in ubuntu the gstreamer autodetection will always default to alsa if it finds a card
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| 11:06 | <lns> oh ok
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| 11:07 | so even if i change that manually, it'll be lost after reboot?
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| 11:07 | <ogra> thats why totem rhythmbox etc work out of the box
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| 11:07 | and volume control works
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| 11:07 | <lns> right..i was very happy to see that start working =)
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| 11:08 | <warren> pulseaudio alsa emulation is problematic with Flash plugin's alsa
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| 11:08 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:08 | <warren> only way we could get it to work reliably was with libflashsupport (lennart's version, not the more common version floating around)
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| 11:08 | <ogra> libflashsupport solves that
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| 11:08 | <warren> You can check it out from pulseaudio's upstream source repo
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| 11:09 | <ogra> we have it linked on the ubuntu LTSP and edubuntu FAQs
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| 11:09 | <warren> which link?
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| 11:09 | <lns> oh now there's a NEW one? =p
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| 11:09 | lol
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| 11:09 | <ogra> i plan to get it in the archive for hardy
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| 11:09 | <lns> ok lemme find that
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| 11:09 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 11:10 | http://pulseaudio.vdbonline.net/libflashsupport/libflashsupport_1.0~2219-1_i386.deb
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| 11:10 | <lns> ty ogra
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| 11:10 | <ogra> wprks fine here
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| 11:10 | <warren> http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio#Compile_.2F_Install_from_source
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| 11:10 | <ogra> *works
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| 11:10 | <lns> right - again though, i'm using amd64
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| 11:10 | <ogra> its just not 64bit capable it seems
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| 11:10 | <warren> the version mentioned here is buggy according to the pulseaudio lead developer
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| 11:11 | <ogra> i'll put lennarts package into hardy then
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| 11:11 | <warren> ogra, we got flash plugin working out-of-the-box on x86_64 firefox on Fedora 8.
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| 11:11 | ogra, let me get you the source, hold a sec
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| 11:11 | <ogra> but first the licence issues need to be solved
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| 11:11 | <warren> ogra, license issue?
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| 11:11 | <ogra> libflahsupport has an apple license
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> that would be the 'license to rock' ;)
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| 11:11 | <warren> ogra, what? it is supposed to be BSD.
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| 11:11 | <lns> Gadi, ugh =p
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| 11:12 | can't we all just code along? =p
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| 11:12 | * Gadi apologizes.... | |
| 11:12 | <ogra> last time i looked there was a note from apple in there
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| 11:12 | warren, dont worry bout it, i have to look into it anyway
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| 11:12 | i'll keep you updated
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| 11:13 | * ogra goes for dinner | |
| 11:13 | <lns> have good eating ogra
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| 11:13 | thx for the help so far
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| 11:13 | <warren> ogra, I just looked at the license just now
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| 11:14 | ogra, it is basically BSD
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| 11:14 | ogra, I personally negotiated that license with Adobe
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| 11:14 | <lns> warren, you have ties w/adobe?
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| 11:15 | <ogra> warren, sorry Apple/Adobe indeed
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| 11:15 | it had a note about needing approval for modifications or so iirc
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| 11:15 | * ogra now goes to get the source | |
| 11:17 | <warren> ogra, I don't see anything like that
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| 11:17 | Adobe Systems Incorporated grants to you a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive,
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| 11:17 | no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license, to reproduce,
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| 11:17 | prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, and
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| 11:17 | distribute this source code and such derivative works in source or
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| 11:17 | object code form without any attribution requirements.
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| 11:17 | The name "Adobe Systems Incorporated" must not be used to endorse or promote products
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| 11:17 | derived from the source code without prior written permission.
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| 11:17 | <ogra> hmm, right its different now ... there was a paragraph below the Revolution Linux copyrigth last time i looked
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| 11:18 | i had packaged it already and it was refused by our archive managers because of that
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| 11:18 | <warren> I have no idea where that came from
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| 11:18 | the original version from adobe didn't have it
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| 11:19 | <lns> ok, i've got libflashsupport compiled and installed in /usr/lib! =)
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| 11:19 | <ogra> it was pre 1.0 more than a year ago
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| 11:19 | <warren> hmmm
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| 11:19 | <ogra> i had it from revolutionlinux back then iirc
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| 11:19 | (it was only the .c file and a README with instructions)
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| 11:19 | <warren> The revolutionlinux version according to lennart is buggy
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| 11:20 | <ogra> anyway, great to see its ok
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| 11:20 | <warren> use lennart's version
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| 11:20 | <ogra> i will
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| 11:20 | * warren gets lunch | |
| 11:20 | <ogra> does he work at RH now ?
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| 11:20 | <lns> warren, can you link to lennart's ver ? i can't find it off the rl links
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| 11:20 | <ogra> lennart is pulseaudio upstream
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| 11:20 | <ogra> just look at the pulse homepage
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| 11:21 | <lns> oh k..thx
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| 11:22 | <vistr> masus, are you still around?
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| 11:27 | <vistr> masus, Download Intel Boot Agent for Intel Network Adapters 12.3, unpack with windows, install upgrade with dos
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| 11:31 | <lns> i'd love to see the full source for flash and shockwave released in the wild by some disgruntled adobe employee =p
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| 11:31 | <warren> lns, wouldn't help us.... we can't ship blatantly stolen code, it is a bit easier to prosecute for copyright violations.
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| 11:32 | <lns> warren, what's the fun in all that legal stuff. ;) j/k
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| 11:42 | <lns> warren, i'm assuming the resulting libflashsupport.so is portable between (same arch) systems?
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| 11:42 | or should i just go through the motions on each server i have
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| 11:44 | <daya> ogra, as per vagrant I have done all the step in etch, but sound still not working any idea,
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| 11:54 | <daya> lns, have u ever tried sound in client in case of etch
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| 11:55 | <lns> daya, i use Ubuntu Gutsy on my servers
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| 11:56 | <daya> lns, oh, I have tried since few month in etch, but still not succeed , ogra and vagranct has told it will, but although I have followed all the step , I couldn't get it
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| 11:57 | <lns> daya, are you talking about flash sound, or just sound in general?
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| 11:57 | <daya> lns, no, just sound in general,
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| 11:58 | <ogra> lns, did you try gnash ?
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| 12:00 | <lns> ogra, i actually haven't - last time Idid on my machine, it wouldn't even bring up youtube reliably
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| 12:00 | <ogra> i heard thats fixed in the gutsy version
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| 12:00 | <lns> i guess i could give it a shot
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| 12:00 | i just hope it's reliable enough for 35 concurrent students using ltsp clients
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| 12:01 | <ogra> you could use it even with 64bit FF and the icedtea 64bit sun java
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| 12:01 | <lns> ogra, i just found out about icedtea last night..is that supposed to be stable?
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| 12:02 | <ogra> our java maintainer asked for inclusion on the CD .... but to late in the cycle ....
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| 12:02 | <lns> wow
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| 12:02 | <ogra> so accoring to that it seems he considers it stable :)
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| 12:02 | <lns> hmm =)
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| 12:02 | ok, so if gnash works (with sound natively without all the libflashsupport stuff)
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| 12:03 | and icedtea works well too
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| 12:03 | <ogra> it uses alsa :)
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| 12:03 | <lns> i just need shockwave sound support from cxoffice
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| 12:03 | <ogra> make cxoffice use alsa
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| 12:03 | there should be an option (i know there is in wine)
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| 12:04 | <lns> mmmm....64-bit browser returns..... *drool*
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| 12:04 | =) i just really hope gnash is up for the job
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| 12:04 | <Nuba1> doesnt work for me
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| 12:04 | gnash that is
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| 12:04 | <lns> Nuba1, what are the issues?
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| 12:05 | <Nuba1> blank screen
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| 12:05 | <ogra> hey at least 64Bit FF can make full use of your 8Gig for all its memory holes
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| 12:05 | <lns> heh
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| 12:05 | and you don't have to do the whole "gtklp" for printing
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| 12:06 | <Nuba1> 64 bit seems far more stable to me too
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| 12:06 | <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Edubuntu_7.10_Classroom_Server_(x86_64) .... finnish ... but look at the bottom
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| 12:07 | he apparently has it working
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| 12:08 | <lns> ogra, that's not the flash9 plugin w/nspluginwrapper?
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| 12:08 | <Nuba1> yeah, weird... I get a blank screen, but maybe its cause I've got a whole bunch of other flash stuff installed too
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| 12:09 | <ogra> lns, the picture caption sounds like its gnash i'd say
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| 12:09 | <Nuba1> :-)
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| 12:10 | <lns> hmm...i don't see that, but i can still give it a roll.. im just scared that all of this modification is going to leave me in a state of flux
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| 12:11 | * ogra ponders to learn finnish, thats a beautifully clean documentation | |
| 12:11 | <Nuba1> doesnt work for me
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| 12:11 | <lns> heh
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| 12:13 | <Nuba1> I uninstalled nspluginswrapper and flashplugin-nonfree
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| 12:13 | restarted firefox and no go
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| 12:14 | <lns> Nuba1, did you install gnash though? =)
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| 12:14 | and i fixed the git problem, you have to install curl
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| 12:16 | <Nuba1> sudo apt-get install mozilla-plugin-gnash
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| 12:16 | <lns> hmm, but now i need a later version of pulse...
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| 12:16 | <Nuba1> worked fine
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| 12:16 | <lns> Requested 'libpulse >= 0.9.7' but version of libpulse is 0.9.6 (this is for flash9 libflashsupport.so from PA)
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| 12:16 | Nuba1, and still no go?
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| 12:16 | <Nuba1> nope
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| 12:17 | <Nuba1> I'm back to what you're doing :-)
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| 12:17 | <lns> hehe
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| 12:19 | * sutula thanks ogra, lns, and warren for the previous flash/sound discussion...has it working now on Etch/backports | |
| 12:19 | <ogra> \o/
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| 12:20 | <lns> sutula, wanna give us any insight? =p
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| 12:23 | <Nuba1> think thats 32 bit
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| 12:26 | <lns> ah
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| 12:27 | i'm confusing myself as to which version i'm trying to fix now. =p
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| 12:29 | <Nuba1> checking cvs gnash now
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| 12:33 | except there's no configure script where there should be
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| 12:37 | <lns> check this out
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| 12:37 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/129788
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| 12:37 | check the bottom few comments, maybe swfdec-mozilla is a possible solution?
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| 12:41 | <Nuba1> jeez
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| 12:41 | published 5 hours ago
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| 12:41 | :-)
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| 12:41 | swfdec-mozilla 0.54 that is
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| 12:41 | so yeah that has pulse support and should be a solution
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| 12:42 | <lns> =)
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| 12:42 | are you onsite still?
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| 12:42 | <Nuba1> yes
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| 12:42 | <lns> go go gadget SWFDEC-MOZILLA!
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| 12:42 | =)
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| 12:43 | i can't believe how bleeding edge flash sound support is, especially for 64-bit =p
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| 12:43 | <Nuba1> indeed... well 64 bit is bleeding edge still
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| 12:44 | in general
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| 12:44 | everything requires a hack
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| 12:45 | <lns> reminds me of the Windows-on-windows 16-to-32-bit days...
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| 12:46 | it's just horrible how so much hinges on flash, shockwave and java browser plugins, and how tightly they are (mostly) controlled.
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| 12:46 | makes me sick.
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| 12:46 | <Nuba1> those are good examples of how bad closed source is
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| 12:46 | staggers innovation
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| 12:47 | <lns> right...bad to those who want to share, good for those with dollar signs in their eyes at all times
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| 12:49 | <lns> Nuba1, are you testing swfdec right now?
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| 12:50 | <mcfloppy_> can i install ltsp 4.1 AND 5.0 on one server?
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| 12:50 | <Nuba1> trying... same error as with gnash
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| 12:50 | blank screen
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| 12:50 | but this must be because of something else
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| 12:50 | <lns> hmm..yeah, sounds like it
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| 12:50 | <Nuba1> going to test with normal flash again
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| 12:50 | <lns> mcfloppy_, why would you want to do that (out of curiosity)?
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| 12:50 | Nuba1, yeah, i think that requires regular flashplugin-nonfree
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| 12:51 | <Nuba1> mcfloppy, u can yeah
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> anybody here seeing some bugs in gutsy's rdesktop? in particular with freezing sessions or making X go black?
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| 12:52 | <Nuba1> yeah same thing with flashplugin-nonfree
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| 12:52 | nothing shows up
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| 12:52 | <lns> Nuba1, that's really weird
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| 12:53 | you should at *least* have video
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| 12:53 | it must be pulling a bad version of libflashplugin.so or something from firefox
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| 12:53 | what's it say in firefox when you go to about:plugins ?
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| 12:54 | <Nuba1> u mean under file types?
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| 12:56 | <mcfloppy_> lns ihave some 8363 ibm netvista ;)
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| 12:57 | <gamed|ph> Hi, anybody knows how to configure the ip of the ltsp-server with edubuntu? I'm using a maschine for dhcp/tftp and one for ltsp/nfs/ssh...
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| 12:57 | <mcfloppy_> at the moment i deliver the n2200 linux over pxe&nfs to the clients and then i start manualy /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -query 192.168.0.200
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| 12:59 | <lns> Nuba1, i mean the flash version that comes up in firefox when you go to about:plugins in the address bar
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| 13:00 | <sutula> lns: Sorry...I wandered off...did you get anywhere?
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| 13:00 | <Nuba1> File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
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| 13:01 | <sutula> lns: For my server, I just needed to install the libflashsupport .deb that ogra mentioned
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| 13:01 | <lns> sutula, ahh..for 32bit
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| 13:01 | <sutula> lns: Sound was otherwise working before, though
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| 13:01 | * sutula nods | |
| 13:01 | * Nuba1 beats his head against a wall | |
| 13:02 | <lns> lol
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| 13:02 | <Nuba1> come on... there are like 5 solutions and non work?
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| 13:02 | <lns> Nuba1, not that it matters, but there is a new RC for adobe flash (64)
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| 13:03 | <sutula> lns: In the same directory, there was full source...could you compile a .deb if architecture is all that's standing in the way?
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| 13:03 | <Nuba1> sutula we've been down that road
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| 13:03 | <sutula> Nuba1: ok...sorry...am not following the discussion closely
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| 13:03 | <lns> Nuba1, but i'm wondering *how* buggy the revolutionlinux one is
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| 13:04 | measuring the level of difficulty trying to get this new one going
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| 13:04 | <Nuba1> well, what now... I had flash before, now its gone completely
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| 13:05 | <lns> Nuba1, in all reality, all the flash plugin is is the libflashplayer.so file
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| 13:06 | if you are sure to remove all the packages such as flashplugin-nonfree, gnash, etc... and search/destroy any remaining libflashplayer.so files, maybe you can start from a new slate then
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| 13:06 | that's the only thing I can think of, unless the audio is getting in the way of the video portion of the plugin, crashing it or whatever
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| 13:07 | but i'm not experienced enough to know the intimacies of that
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| 13:08 | <frownix> evening folks
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| 13:08 | <lns> hey frownix
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| 13:08 | <frownix> heya lns..how's your sound comming along?
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| 13:08 | <lns> heh
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| 13:09 | funny you should mention that
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| 13:09 | ;)
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| 13:09 | <frownix> haha
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| 13:09 | * frownix hides | |
| 13:09 | <Nuba1> well removed everything and its still there
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| 13:09 | File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
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| 13:09 | <lns> Nuba1, you reloaded ff right?
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| 13:09 | <Nuba1> yes
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| 13:09 | <lns> could there be a plugin in your home dir .mozilla or .firefox config dir?
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| 13:09 | <Nuba1> hmmm
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| 13:10 | <Nuba1> :-)
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| 13:10 | indeed there is
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| 13:10 | <lns> frownix, the basic answer is that we don't have it going yet
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| 13:10 | <lns> but we've found about 5 possible solutions
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| 13:10 | all of which aren't working so great
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| 13:10 | lol
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| 13:10 | <frownix> haha
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| 13:10 | <lns> Nuba1, cool
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| 13:10 | <frownix> well, life would to boring if everything "just worked" :-)
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| 13:11 | <lns> frownix, i could go for boring at this point =)
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| 13:11 | <frownix> hahah
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| 13:11 | <lns> happy 11:11 (PST)
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| 13:13 | <mcfloppy_> how does a normal ltsp 4.2 client connect to the server? something like that: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -query 192.168.0.200 ?
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| 13:13 | <frownix> my experience is this; the "old" workstations you get your hands on today are normally good enough to run the apps locally. that in turn saves a LOT of trouble with sound/flash/video and what have you
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| 13:13 | <Nuba1> ok, now to eliminate... swfdec no go
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| 13:13 | <frownix> still from a diskless solution though
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| 13:13 | <Nuba1> flash is there but no sound
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| 13:14 | <lns> frownix, things are incredibly complicated when you have a 64-bit server/OS install and 32-bit clients however
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| 13:14 | <frownix> lns, not at all, that's how I run it
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| 13:14 | <Nuba1> does gnash need nspluginwrapper?
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| 13:15 | <lns> Nuba1, no
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| 13:15 | <frownix> the clients have nothing to do with the server arch
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| 13:15 | <lns> frownix, they do if you're running localapps =)
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| 13:15 | <frownix> not at my sites;-)
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| 13:16 | <lns> how do you figure running 64-bit firefox locally on a 32-bit client?
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| 13:16 | <frownix> the chroot could be hosted on a ibm mainframe, and still deliver i386 to the clients
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| 13:16 | chroot a 32 build install for the clients
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| 13:16 | make that 32bit ;-)
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| 13:17 | <lns> frownix, not following...
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| 13:17 | <frownix> my server(s) are all 64 bit, serving via eden's 32 bit clients
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| 13:17 | <lns> ok
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| 13:17 | <frownix> in fact, i'm on one of those now
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| 13:17 | running from a 64 bit server
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| 13:17 | <mcfloppy_> why want a 64 bit client? much money for nothing :p
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| 13:17 | <gamed|ph> how can I set the ip of the ltsp-server for my thin-clients? My dhcpd/tftpd runs on a other maschine then my ltsp...
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| 13:17 | <lns> mcfloppy_, not what he's talking about
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| 13:18 | <Nuba1> frownix, we're all in that setup
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| 13:18 | <mcfloppy_> ltsp system with local running apps?
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| 13:18 | <Nuba1> :-)
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| 13:18 | <lns> frownix, what i'm gathering is you saying that 32-bit chroot can be hosted on any arch server
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| 13:18 | and i agree
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| 13:18 | <frownix> right
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| 13:18 | <lns> but
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| 13:19 | <cliebow_> in powerpc the initramfs doesnt seem to be d/led fully..i see no "last packet" any one want to hazard a guess?
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| 13:19 | <lns> there is still the problem of running firefox with flash, shockwave and java plugins correctly on the clients
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| 13:19 | and with a 64-bit OS install, you have 64-bit firefox installed
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| 13:19 | <frownix> not if you install those in the chroot
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| 13:20 | <lns> i was told earlier by ogra that localapps aren't really even supported yet
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| 13:20 | <frownix> linux32 chroot /my/32/bit/chroot /bin/bash
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| 13:20 | apt-get install whatever
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| 13:20 | <Nuba1> that doesnt quite work frownix
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| 13:20 | I've tried that myself
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| 13:21 | <frownix> ok, i'm not to familiar with ltsp these days, but that's in affect how I do it
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| 13:21 | then again, it's not ltsp, just heavily ltsp inspired;-)
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| 13:22 | <frownix> i can't see any reason for it NOT to work on ltsp though, if you are using a true chroot(meaing full instal of guest os)
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| 13:22 | <Nuba1> damn... no sound with gnash, none with swfdec, non with libflashsupport
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| 13:22 | yes, then its a fat client frownix
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| 13:22 | not a thin client
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| 13:23 | <frownix> Nuba1, if you want to, yes. but you could still run X server from the 64bit(thin-client)
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| 13:23 | <Nuba1> if I take out flashplugin-nonfree and install gnash, it wont work
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| 13:24 | <frownix> and ssh start the local app, since that kernel is 32 bit
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| 13:24 | i'd call that a normal weight client;-)
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| 13:25 | <lns> frownix, i don't know how that would work because apt-get installing firefox would pull all sorts of things that the chroot need not pull in, like gnome, etc...
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| 13:25 | <Nuba1> if you want a fat client its a simple as going into the chroot and doing apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
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| 13:25 | but thats not what we want
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| 13:25 | <Nuba1> it in effect takes away the benefits of a thin client system, the speed, minimal ram usage, etc
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| 13:26 | <frownix> well, you could still do X -query server for the thin-client start
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| 13:26 | <Nuba1> putting everything in the chroot increases ram requirements
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| 13:26 | and also lowers speed
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| 13:26 | <frownix> and just run the local app with ssh
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| 13:26 | such as firefox -display whatever:0.0
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| 13:27 | <Nuba1> well, the edubuntu devs have worked on getting certain local apps to work like that
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| 13:27 | <frownix> the downside is of course as you mentioned that the chroot would pull gnome and what have you
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| 13:27 | <Nuba1> but its not ready yet
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| 13:27 | <frownix> on the other hand, diskspace on the server side is pretty cheap for that sort of thing
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| 13:27 | <Nuba1> its not about the server
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| 13:27 | its about the clients
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| 13:28 | <frownix> lns pointed out that it pulled gnome and so on
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| 13:28 | <Nuba1> the point of ltsp is being able to use dirt cheap clients with no ram
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| 13:28 | <lns> what would be nice to see is a full virtualized 32-bit environment (ala redhat or vmware) that could easily do all of this
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| 13:28 | <lns> frownix, just my guess that it would...firefox has many deps
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| 13:28 | <frownix> Nuba1, of course, but if you read what i wrote in the beginning, my point was that "old" hardware today most of the times are more then capable of running firefox locally
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| 13:29 | <lns> none of which i'd want to have in client ram all the time
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| 13:29 | <Nuba1> being able to control the entire process from the server is incredibly useful
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| 13:29 | seeing memory usage, killing zombie processes, etc... not sure if thats possible in the scenario u mention
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| 13:30 | <frownix> of course, but there are some seriuos tradeoffs
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| 13:30 | flash on thin-client is not that good of a thing to have
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| 13:30 | it'll kill your network(at least from my experience)
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| 13:30 | <Nuba1> not if you've got gigabit
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| 13:30 | <frownix> Nuba1, it could, depending on the number of clients
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| 13:31 | <Nuba1> and they are working on localapps... that is the solution
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| 13:31 | <frownix> not to mention video...heh
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| 13:31 | <Nuba1> they are currently working on integating (already got it working) local video, local flash, and local firefox
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| 13:31 | <frownix> localapps dev probably use the same theory as me, just with pulled libs or static compiles
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| 13:32 | <Nuba1> no doubt
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| 13:32 | <frownix> hw today is...well...overkill for everyday use.it's a shame not to use it for someting(client side)
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| 13:33 | <lns> frownix, well in my case we have iPaq workstations, 500MHz w/256mb ram.
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| 13:33 | or 128 rather.
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| 13:33 | not too much to play with
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| 13:33 | <frownix> the other point i was getting at was..it makes life so much easier with local apps, sound, and so on and on
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| 13:33 | <Nuba1> I hear you, I have 21 laptops running dual core 3 gighz pentium 4s and 1 gig ram each
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| 13:33 | <lns> Nuba1, omg...running those as thin clients?
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| 13:34 | <Nuba1> but still, I prefer running ltsp so I can centrally manage
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| 13:34 | yes
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| 13:34 | <frownix> lns, right, they are a tad on the slow side, so thin solution is the best for those clients
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| 13:34 | <lns> frownix, right
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| 13:34 | <Nuba1> i had a fat chroot before, but didnt work out
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| 13:34 | <frownix> i don't have the problems with different hardware, a lot of different apps and so on
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| 13:34 | <Nuba1> now they are waiting to use local aps
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| 13:35 | <frownix> it's a very controlled setup, so I have to agree that my life is easier then yours...hehe
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| 13:35 | <Nuba1> now... about that sound...
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| 13:35 | * frownix is sorry for the drift from topic | |
| 13:35 | <Nuba1> looks like 32 bit chroot for firefox is going to be necessary after all
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| 13:36 | i really wanted a cleaner solution
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| 13:36 | the idea of going from 32 bit to 64 bit and then back to 32 bit on the client seems ludicrous
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| 13:36 | <frownix> Nuba1, could be pretty clean with a source compiled firefox. should pull less deps then a distro install of firefox?
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| 13:38 | nubal i think there's a script on ltsp.org named runremote.sh that makes local apps pretty easy(from your remote X connection)
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| 13:38 | <lns> Nuba1, that seems like it might be the only answer...but i'm wondering how that's going to work out with plugging into all of the sound arch on the server
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| 13:38 | <frownix> i used it a couple of years back
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| 13:38 | <lns> maybe i just don't have the 'whole picture' in my head (yet)
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| 13:39 | <Nuba1> I dont either, but from what I've read and seen, its whats going to work out best
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| 13:39 | gnash should work, but for me, at least doesnt even show up
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| 13:40 | <lns> Nuba1, what distro you using?
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| 13:40 | <Nuba1> edubuntu gutsy
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| 13:41 | <lns> same here (ubuntu)
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| 13:41 | <Nuba1> I know, we met on the edubuntu channel :-)
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| 13:41 | * lns considers going back to DOS | |
| 13:41 | <frownix> lol
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| 13:42 | <lns> when the hardest thing to get going was ANSi-based term emulators. =p
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| 13:42 | and IRQs for your modem
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| 13:44 | <frownix> lns what's the "main" app you need sound for? firefox?
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| 13:44 | <lns> frownix, yes... firefox flash, shockwave and java are the only things in the environment that don't work
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| 13:44 | sound works perfectly otherwise
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| 13:44 | <frownix> ok
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| 13:44 | just the "hard" ones left then..figures:-(
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| 13:45 | <lns> disregarding my earlier issue of the headphone jack sense.
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| 13:45 | <frownix> that still doesn't work?
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| 13:45 | <lns> heh..yeah, unfortunately
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| 13:45 | i'm working on that seperately
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| 13:45 | i know i can fix it w/the init scripts i have to go onsite and do it though. i'm sick today :(
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| 13:45 | <frownix> ouch...get well soon
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| 13:47 | <lns> thanks =)
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| 13:47 | i'd probably feel better if this all worked. =p
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| 13:48 | <frownix> hehe..been there..felt like that;-)
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| 13:48 | * frownix had a hard time getting he's scratch built setup working | |
| 13:52 | <Nuba1> weird... I open firefox
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| 13:52 | it says install missing plugins, then gives me an option of flashplayer or gnash
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| 13:52 | i choose gnash, it says its already installed
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| 13:52 | need to restart browser, which I do, and then it start again with the same crap
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| 13:54 | <frownix> temp rename libflashplayer to something else. like .backup and try again?
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| 13:54 | <lns> Nuba1, you're installing as a user? that would put the plugin in your homedir right?
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| 13:54 | don't you want it for everyone (ala apt-get install gnash or similar?)
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| 13:54 | <Nuba1> no, right now as admin
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| 13:54 | well, yes... but
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| 13:55 | its already been isntalled
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| 13:55 | <lns> oh...if you're admin, it installs it globally?
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| 13:55 | <Nuba1> maybe not... :-)
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| 13:55 | <lns> lol
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| 13:55 | <Nuba1> still... point is...
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| 13:55 | it says its not installed
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| 13:55 | asks to install
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| 13:55 | then says its insallted already
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| 13:55 | maybe I should try installing gnash locally
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| 13:56 | for the local user
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| 13:56 | <lns> i wouldn't recommend installing it through the browser plugin dialogues at all if i were you
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| 13:56 | <Nuba1> well, this is just testing
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| 13:56 | <lns> not for ltsp
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| 13:56 | right, i understand what you mean
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| 13:56 | <Nuba1> im trying to figure out why gnash doesnt start up globally
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| 13:57 | <lns> try apt-get install mozilla-plugin-gnash as root from the server
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| 13:57 | <Nuba1> hmmm, thats an idea, though dont see why that would make any difference
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| 13:57 | <lns> Nuba1, makes a huge diff
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| 13:58 | it will install it in /usr/lib instead of in your user specific firefox config
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| 13:58 | <Nuba1> im sudo installing everything anyway
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| 13:58 | <lns> ok...just for shits and giggles i'd exit ff, apt-get (as above), rename your firefox user config dir, and try again
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| 13:58 | start a fresh ff config as that user
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| 13:59 | after gnash is installed globally in /usr/lib
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| 13:59 | <Nuba1> well, let me try installing as root like u say
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| 13:59 | <lns> sudo is the same thing as installing as root (i'm sure you know)
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| 14:00 | <frownix> sudo DOES sound like an eastern way of defending your self;-)
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| 14:01 | <Nuba1> lns, yeah, but at least for crossover, to do it globally I had to do it as root
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| 14:01 | couldnt sudo
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| 14:01 | had sudo su
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| 14:01 | on the server
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| 14:01 | then install it
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| 14:01 | <lns> weird
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| 14:01 | just like windows shift-rightclick "run as" hardly ever works...didn't think sudo would have similar qualities in any situation
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| 14:02 | <Nuba1> but thats different... was a shell script
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| 14:04 | jeezus
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| 14:04 | it worked
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| 14:04 | oh my god
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| 14:04 | <lns> ?
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| 14:04 | <Nuba1> sound working
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| 14:04 | <lns> !!!
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| 14:04 | <ltspbot> lns: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
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| 14:04 | <lns> err
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| 14:04 | hehe
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| 14:04 | WOO!
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| 14:05 | * lns dances like the white nerd he is | |
| 14:05 | <Nuba1> doesnt look pretty, but it works... it really works!
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| 14:05 | <lns> what site are you testing?
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| 14:05 | <Nuba1> youtube
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| 14:05 | <lns> ok
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| 14:05 | so
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| 14:06 | <Nuba1> the bottom controls look kind of funny
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| 14:06 | buttons on top of each other
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| 14:06 | <lns> hmm
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| 14:06 | you should try a bunch of different flash sites and see what the overall outcome is, if you think it's good enough to replace all of this adobe flash plugin junk with or not
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| 14:06 | i need a guinnea pig =)
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| 14:07 | <Nuba1> full screen dont work either
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| 14:07 | well give me a flash site to look at
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| 14:07 | <lns> how about homestarrunner.com
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| 14:07 | that's my standard testing site =p
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| 14:09 | <Nuba1> works ok actually
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| 14:09 | how do I get the volume up?
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| 14:10 | <lns> standard volume controls in gnome. ?
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| 14:10 | <Nuba1> theres some way to get the volume up within the thin client
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| 14:10 | <lns> alsamixer?
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| 14:11 | <Nuba1> no somethign else
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| 14:11 | <lns> no clue
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| 14:13 | <Nuba1> well anyway, it works, but there is skipping sound and loud hissing every once in a while
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| 14:13 | <lns> hmm
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| 14:13 | <Nuba1> and some stuff doesnt get renderd properly
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| 14:14 | <lns> Nuba1, what kind of environment is this you're using? school, etc.?
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| 14:14 | how many clients?
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| 14:15 | <Nuba1> school, 60 clients
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| 14:15 | 150 people
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| 14:15 | <lns> cool, very close to my env
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| 14:15 | 35 clients, ~200 students
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| 14:16 | <Nuba1> yeah I'm in Southern Spain though
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| 14:16 | :-)
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| 14:16 | <lns> ahh =) nice
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| 14:16 | <johnny> my install is prolly one of the tinier ones.. 4 clients atm :)
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| 14:16 | <Nuba1> I'm trying to get a business going based on ltsp
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| 14:16 | <johnny> hopefully to move up to 20 in another location tho
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| 14:17 | <lns> johnny, gotta start somewhere =)
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| 14:17 | <Nuba1> wanna spread opensource and ltsp throughout Spain :-)
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| 14:17 | <lns> Nuba1, that's interesting. I run my own business and i'm getting into the educational sector and focusing on ltsp
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| 14:17 | <Nuba1> well, sound seems ok actually, I've been playing it for a couple minutes on youtube and that works
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| 14:17 | yeah I used to have a webdesign/programming company
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| 14:18 | but I generally hate clients
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| 14:18 | so the fewer I deal with the better
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| 14:18 | <lns> hehe
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| 14:18 | <Nuba1> and schools seem to treat you different
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| 14:18 | <lns> "This job would be great if it weren't for the *$@!ing customers" - Randall, "Clerks"
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| 14:18 | <Nuba1> indeed
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| 14:19 | <lns> schools are different
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| 14:19 | they're not there to make money primarily
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| 14:19 | <Nuba1> wow, amazed that sound really works, after spending a whole day trying to get libflashsupport working
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| 14:19 | <lns> they're 'outside' the whole grubbing culture
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| 14:19 | Nuba1, heh, just one day?
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| 14:19 | i've been trying to get it to work for 3 weeks
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| 14:19 | on and off
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| 14:19 | <Nuba1> :-)
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| 14:20 | well, I was supposed to have finished installing the school's systems 2 months ago
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| 14:20 | but its for the best... at first I had 20 thin clients and installs of edubuntu on every other computer
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| 14:20 | <lns> =p me too!
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| 14:21 | <Nuba1> that was hell... updating 40 fat clients without centralised management is undoable
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| 14:21 | <lns> wow
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| 14:21 | yeah
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| 14:21 | <Nuba1> so now that ltsp is running everything, its just a matter of installing on the server and knowing it works everywhere
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| 14:21 | <lns> kidna defeats the main purpose of thin clients ;)
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| 14:22 | <Nuba1> yeah well, wasnt sure about thin clients, and had some edubuntu installed before trying ltsp
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| 14:22 | <johnny> hmm.. anybody tested out the local apps?
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| 14:22 | <Nuba1> but now, I wont ever turn back
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| 14:22 | this is the holy grail
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| 14:22 | <lns> hey Nuba1 check this yt vid out and let me know how it sounds
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| 14:23 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwll9RrV28o
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| 14:24 | * lns on bass =p | |
| 14:25 | <Nuba1> sounds good
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| 14:25 | shame fullscreen doesnt work
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| 14:25 | <lns> shameless plug =p thanks
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| 14:25 | yeah
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| 14:25 | <Nuba1> hehe
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| 14:25 | <lns> well...we just got fullscreen in the newest RC for adobe flash, so..i'm not expecting much from gnash myself
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| 14:25 | if yo usay it works well, WITH sound,... i'm def. gonna try it out at my schools
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| 14:25 | i know if anyone can break it, the kids will. =)
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| 14:26 | <Nuba1> till now its worked without crashing
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| 14:26 | <lns> always a plus!! =) especially with flash!
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| 14:27 | Nuba1, are you using cxoffice for shockwave?
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| 14:27 | <Nuba1> nope
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| 14:27 | dont use shockwave
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| 14:27 | <lns> heh..lucky
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| 14:28 | <Nuba1> use it for microsoft office photoshop and some special school aps
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| 14:28 | stupid computer teacher refuses to move to open office
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| 14:28 | but her days here are numbered :-)
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| 14:29 | <lns> hahaha
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| 14:30 | hey do you guys know if i need a trailing / for RCFILE_nn in lts.conf? such as RCFILE_01 = /etc/ipaqsoundfix.sh or just RCFILE_01 = etc/ipaqsoundfix .. ?
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| 14:30 | <Nuba1> trailing / I'd imagine
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| 14:30 | now for realplayer...
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| 14:30 | <lns> thats what i thought, ... ugh..but still not running
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| 14:32 | <Nuba1> is there a realplayer for 64 bit?
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| 14:32 | <johnny> people still use realplayer? lol
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| 14:32 | i haven't ran into one of those in ages
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| 14:33 | <Nuba1> have to sometimes
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| 14:33 | radio streaming
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| 14:33 | <lns> Nuba1, that's another beast... heh
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| 14:33 | no 64-bit plugin afaik
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| 14:33 | <Nuba1> the ff dialogue asks to install xine or mediaplayer
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| 14:34 | mplayer even
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| 14:34 | <lns> right..totem has plugins actually
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| 14:34 | i think
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| 14:35 | but ... i really have no clue =p
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| 14:35 | <Nuba1> well going to try with mplayer, but dont think it solves the problem of pages asking to open with realplayer
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| 14:38 | <gamed|ph> how I can change the ip of the ltsp-server my thinclient will connect to? My ltsp runs on a other maschine then dhcp and tftp...
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| 14:40 | <lns> gamed|ph, what you might mean is "what X client" instead of "ltsp-server"...
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| 14:42 | since ltsp is essentially the setup of the client chroot and passing it on via tftp/dhcp
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| 14:42 | <gamed|ph> the client chroot don't know the ip of the ltsp-server
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| 14:43 | but i don't know how to change this address
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| 14:46 | <lns> unfortunately i don't know how to specify a different server after the kernel itself is passed on, for nfs/nbd client chroot setup
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| 14:46 | then again, i'm no ltsp expert
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| 14:47 | <Nubae> wow... it works!!!
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| 14:47 | realplayer under mplayer
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| 14:47 | streaming radio going wonderfully
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| 14:47 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 14:48 | <lns> nice Nubae
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| 14:48 | <Nubae> yeah surprising really...
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| 14:49 | after all the trouble with flash, was expecting the same thing
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| 14:51 | <lns> hehe
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| 14:51 | nice to know it's not all uphill battles, huh?
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| 14:52 | <Nubae> yeah things always happen in 3s
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| 14:52 | <lns> haha
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| 14:52 | if you believe they do, then...yes. =p
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| 14:57 | Nubae, just to re-iterate, you're using firefox 64-bit, correct?
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| 14:58 | <Nubae> yes
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| 14:59 | <lns> Nubae, any chance you'll need java working too?
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> I'd imagine so yeah
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| 15:00 | <lns> i'd definitely look at Redhat's new "Iced Tea" java for 64-bit..found out about that last night
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> so normal java wont work?
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| 15:01 | <lns> i've heard java is a real PITA to get going in 64-bit browsers
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| 15:01 | <Nubae> or whats the deal exactly
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| 15:01 | <lns> i always used firefox32, but now with gnash working in 64-bit (and cxoffice for shockwave), we might as well stick with 64-bit browsing and use iced tea, which afaik anyway, is the only good way to get java going
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| 15:02 | afaik it's very new, but should work best...but ymmv
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| 15:05 | icedtea-java7-bin
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| 15:05 | icedtea-java7-jre
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| 15:05 | icedtea-java7-plugin
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| 15:05 | (from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=580792 )
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| 15:06 | <sgonzalez> Can you get shockwave working on ubuntu? I'm just lurking and saw the cxoffice for shockwave and I'm not sure what you're talking about, but would love to know if I can get shockwave sites working on edubuntu!
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| 15:07 | <johnny> you have to use cxoffice
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| 15:07 | unless wine can do it now..
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| 15:07 | <lns> sgonzalez, yes...cxoffice is the easiest way for that
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| 15:07 | <Nubae> wine is cxoffice
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| 15:08 | <johnny> i haven't seen how quickly they are synced
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| 15:08 | <lns> johnny, i have scoured the interet for DAYS looking for info on getting shockwave working under wine alone
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| 15:08 | <Nubae> in fact wine is usually newer... cxoffice is just a wrapper for a gui
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| 15:08 | <lns> couldn't find a think
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| 15:08 | <Nubae> but its the important part for ltsp
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| 15:08 | <lns> thing* and Nubae true it's a wrapper, but they do many custom things to get many programs to work correctly out of the box
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| 15:08 | <Nubae> thats why crossover is almost a requirement
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| 15:09 | <johnny> maybe that wine-doors project will help that
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| 15:09 | <Nubae> not true... it uses exactly the same wine
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| 15:09 | <lns> especially when you're talking about running 32-bit shockwave plugin under wine, on a AMD64 ltsp server, to 32-bit clients ;)
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| 15:10 | Nubae, well then make that your next project - please let me know when you find out how to work it w/o crossover, because for the life of me i couldn't find a single way to do it
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| 15:10 | =) i'm sure it can be done, but not by me (IANAP)
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| 15:12 | <Nubae> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/differences/
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| 15:12 | the only difference is they pick the releases that go with which program
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| 15:13 | ie... release such and such works better with office, such and such a release with skype
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| 15:13 | etc...
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| 15:13 | but otherwise its the same
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| 15:14 | <lns> ok, make it work then. :) hope i don't sound cocky but i'd love to see someone prove me wrong so we don't have to pay license fees for cxoffice
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| 15:14 | that would really make my day actually =p
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| 15:15 | <Nubae> well, my school doesnt pay licenses for it :-/
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| 15:15 | they should... but this is Spain
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| 15:15 | <johnny> once you install with cxoffice, you could just reuse that config
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| 15:15 | with a regular wine to prove it
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| 15:16 | <sgonzalez> Ouch on the codeweaver pricing. I'm sure it's a great product, but my school can't afford that. I found this site that describes installing with wine
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| 15:16 | http://www.ubuntux.org/shockwave-player-ubuntu-linux
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| 15:16 | <Nubae> there u go
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| 15:16 | <sgonzalez> but I don't have time right now to try. Looks like it's a stand alone system, may not port to LTSP well. I'll see if I can get to it over Thanksgiving.
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| 15:17 | <Nubae> java seems to work
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| 15:17 | but not sure about sound yet
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| 15:20 | <Nubae> actually spoke to soon, java not showing up
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| 15:23 | <lns> sgonzalez, shame on you for posting that link
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| 15:24 | it's horrible practice to give a solution of "just install the windows version" when there's a completely capable linux native version out there (minus the plugins of course)
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| 15:25 | i hate that link, and that guy for posting it
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| 15:25 | lol
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| 15:25 | <Q-FUNK> gnash?
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| 15:25 | <lns> the ubuntux guy anyway
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| 15:25 | Nubae, i'm installing iced tea right now i'll let you know
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| 15:28 | <sgonzalez> lns, humble apologies ;)
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| 15:28 | <Nubae> there is 64 bit version of java
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| 15:28 | https://sdlc6c.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/DownloadPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.DownloadPageInfo;jsessionid=AA23DBF56AEE2A70988349F57271D285;jsessionid=AA23DBF56AEE2A70988349F57271D285
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| 15:29 | <lns> Nubae, no browser plugin with that.
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| 15:29 | <Nubae> but cant u just link to that from the browser?
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| 15:30 | <lns> highly doubt it
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| 15:30 | i don't know much about java besides its complex =)
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| 15:30 | and that people complain when they can't use it in their web browser
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| 15:33 | <lns> ok, i'm taking a little break now...this has proved to be very productive, thanks a bunch everyone on the collaboration
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| 15:39 | <Nubae> by lns...
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| 15:39 | I'm off too...
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| 15:40 | <scrapbunny> i am running edubuntu 7.10 on dell gx 110 thin clients and need help getting the sound on sites running flash
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> Does the sound work otherwise?
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| 16:02 | <scrapbunny> yes sbalneav
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> 64 bit server?
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| 16:05 | <scrapbunny> no 32
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> have you installed libflashsupport?
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| 16:10 | Heading home for the day
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| 16:12 | <lns> bye sbalneav
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| 16:12 | scrapbunny, install libflashsupport and sound should work..you're lucky you have a 32-bit server =)
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| 16:35 | <scrapbunny> thanks
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| 16:52 | <sutula> ogra: That libflashsupport (the .so file) you pointed to earlier...do you understand when that's used? It's presence keeps one of my clients from booting (a Dell desktop) but it enables sound on all the other clients.
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| 16:52 | Why would that file even be used during X startup? It crashes the client during X startup.
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| 17:01 | <sutula> Strange...I'd moved that file out of the way and it booted...put the file back and it still boots...never mind (until the problem comes back, anyawy).
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| 17:39 | <lns> I wonder how the corporate powers got such a hold over how people use the net... (speaking of adobe mainly)
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| 17:39 | We need the next revolution to be purely open source
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| 17:40 | a new 'killer app' plugin (or a completely new protocol even) that does something none of the others can
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| 17:41 | <johnny_> lots of options there, between xul,svg, etc
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| 17:41 | <lns> right
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| 17:43 | i don't know much about xul/svg myself
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| 17:43 | but i would imagine that the next "big" thing is going to be to meld, even more, the way people interact with technology and the way people interact naturally
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| 17:44 | i.e. speech/sight/touch
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| 17:44 | <johnny_> sounds like a mobile device to me..
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| 17:44 | ie: iphone
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| 17:44 | <lns> well kinda
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| 17:44 | but the iphone still just mimicks existing standards
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| 17:45 | a 'better' phone browser, a 'better' e-mail/contact list
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| 17:45 | they're still just browsers and contact lists
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| 17:45 | <johnny_> well i meant the hardware
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| 17:45 | the software stil needs more work obviously
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| 17:45 | <lns> oh207, the portability aspect?
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| 17:45 | <johnny_> but who's gonna do it ..
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| 17:45 | i'd love to work in it.. but who's gonna pay :)
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| 17:46 | <lns> nobody has to *pay* .. =)
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| 17:46 | as long as there is motivation and collaboration, it can happen
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| 17:46 | obviously actions speak louder than words, but it's still the truth
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| 17:47 | i see huge potential with ltsp
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| 17:47 | and i know we could think of something to harness the concept and the obvious benefits of using thin-clients and make it into something way more
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| 17:47 | <johnny_> i mean pay the developers to work on it
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| 17:47 | <lns> and make it universal between hardware and software, obviously
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| 17:47 | vagrantc, nice to see you
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| 17:48 | johnny, again - look at all the work that open source has done. not a whole lot has been paying programmers to create it
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| 17:48 | it's pure motivation and the love of coding something better and new
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| 17:48 | vagrantc, i have a question about your work on the RCFILE_nn parm in lts.conf/ltsp-client-setup
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| 17:48 | for gutsy
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| 17:49 | <johnny_> the problme is that i cannot afford to work on it
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| 17:49 | i have enough projects i do free work for
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| 17:49 | <lns> I have pinpointed my issue from before about sound chip configuration and using RCFILE_nn in lts.conf to do it - it seems as though it runs before the sound hardware is completely initialized
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| 17:49 | * vagrantc only knows if vagrantc has an answer if vagrantc is asked a question | |
| 17:50 | <lns> as in /chroot/etc/rcS.d/S23ltsp-client-setup
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| 17:50 | johnny, i do understand - never asked you to work free on someone else's project =)
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| 17:50 | obviously since there's no framework to go from anyway (yet)
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| 17:51 | <johnny_> it'd be nice to be funded to work on such things
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| 17:51 | <lns> johnny, i know...and the big companies can do that sort of thing...maybe proposals to intel, ibm, sun, etc... could push an idea forward
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| 17:51 | <johnny_> no. if they own it.. it's pointless
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| 17:51 | or have any control over the evolution
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| 17:51 | <lns> they wouldn't though
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| 17:52 | look at all the money that's been poured into the linux kernel from IBM
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| 17:52 | that's all 100% OSS
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| 17:52 | <johnny_> sure.. but only cuz they have a definitive money making stream
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| 17:52 | they aren't being altruistic
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| 17:53 | sure we will take advantage of all that work tho
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| 17:54 | <lns> vagrantc, i guess my question (if you didn't gather yet) is... can we push the RCFILE_nn calls forward until after all hardware is initialized? or am i missing something? because if i run my script manually after the client is booted up, it works fine - but the second i use RCFILE_01 to call the script, it never works (but does actually get run, via a verification echo to a text file in the chroot)
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| 17:54 | I created my own script and update-rc.d S98 (default runlevels) in the chroot and it works great, so i know it has to be the placement/execution order of RCFILE_nn in relation to the hardware init of the client
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> lns: we could move it later, but then it might not work for some things that need it right where it is now ...
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| 17:55 | <lns> vagrantc, i was curious about that - what are those things that need it where it is?
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> lns: it is a generic hook, so i don't know all the possible uses for it
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| 17:56 | <lns> oh ok.. well, in feisty it worked great, but as soon as i upgraded to gutsy it broke, so i know wherever it was in feisty..was better for me.. =)
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> lns: ah, that's more meaningful
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| 17:57 | ogra moved a lot of code from ltsp-client to ltsp-client-setup
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| 17:57 | <lns> to give you a better explanation - it's a script to turn on the headphone-jack-sense on my audio chipsets that don't do so by default
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> or vice-versa ... i don't remember what code was moved where ...
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| 17:57 | <lns> right, he told me that
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| 17:57 | i know that the RCFILE_nn was moved to ltsp-client-setup
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| 17:57 | which is run in rcS.d
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| 17:57 | and not the other runlevel dirs
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> and ltsp-client(-core) runs in rc2.d
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| 17:58 | i think
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| 17:58 | <lns> right - and that does the hardware init right?
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> depends on what you mean by hardware init
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| 18:00 | <lns> OH WAIT
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| 18:00 | ok...maybe it's before alsa is initialized
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| 18:00 | <vagrantc> i think both scripts do various degrees of hardware configuration
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| 18:00 | <lns> i'm using 'amixer' to do the fix
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| 18:00 | so if rcfile_nn is run before alsa is set up on the client, than that would be doing it too
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> maybe...
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| 18:03 | <lns> in any case, i would think that having generic sysadmin style RCFILE parms in lts.conf should assume all hardware is setup and functional, so it can be manipulated by whatever script people want to create
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> lns: although ... i don't think any alsa related scripts are run at all
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| 18:03 | <lns> JMHO, but it would have saved me 2-3 days of research =)
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| 18:03 | hmm
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| 18:04 | <vagrantc> lns: ogra moved a lot of stuff and i haven't really evaluated all those changes...
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| 18:05 | <lns> ok.. well i mean, i know what's going on now so it's not so crucial for me - but just to let you know that rcfile DID change execution order *somehow* between feisty and gutsy broke the script i had going before...i would just hate to see other people with the same types of things have it break like it did for me
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> lns: yes, that's why i'd be cautious not to move stuff around like that
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| 18:11 | lns: my primary work is on debian rather than ubuntu...
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| 18:11 | <lns> exactly.. oh well, at least i fixed it for now, so i don't have 35 speakers blaring in a computer lab ;)
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> lns: certainly worth reporting a bug about that
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| 18:11 | <lns> vagrantc, oh ok - well i know you guys sync up so just thought i'd put you in the loop for my little problem
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> lns: yeah, thanks :)
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| 18:12 | lns: because i actually did probably merge those changes
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| 18:12 | <lns> not that you don't have enough to do already ;)
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| 18:25 | <lns> vagrantc, ok i filed the bug just fyi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/163000
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| 18:25 | i'm outty, take it easy all
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| 19:33 | <johnny_> hi, has anyboyd in here had a problem with firefox not completely closing when exiting from a terminal session?
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| 22:09 | <daya> vagrantc, Hi, I have done as in the configuration file, /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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| 22:09 | | |
| 22:09 | but sound is still not working,
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| 22:10 | <vagrantc> "works for me"
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| 22:10 | don't know what to tell you
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| 22:10 | <daya> I have installed xmms-plugin also from pulseaudio.org
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| 22:11 | <johnny_> xmms is still in debian
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> all i did was configure everything to use alsa, and configure /etc/asound.conf to use pulseauido, as described in README.Debian.sound
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| 22:11 | <johnny_> hmm
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| 22:11 | <daya> vagrantc, do I need to change some setting from gstreamer-properties ,
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> daya: maybe
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| 22:11 | daya: i didn't have to
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| 22:11 | <johnny_> xmms doesn't use gstreamer
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> i tried with xmms (use alsa output), rhythymbox (use default output), and xine (used alsa output) and some KDE player that i can't remember (used the default output)
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| 22:13 | i think all but xmms worked without configuration, and all i had to change with xmms was to use alsa instead of oss.
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| 22:13 | i wrote that document using a plain etch system
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| 22:14 | and then i verified that the same instructions worked for lenny and sid as well
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| 22:14 | so i really don't know what to say.
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| 22:14 | daya: it does sound like you're trying all sorts of things, when really you probably have some simple thing missing.
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| 22:15 | daya: you have all of gnome installed ?
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| 22:16 | <daya> vagrantc, sorry I didn't get how to configure everything to use alsa, is it from the preferences of the xmms
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> daya: yes, look in the xmms preferences to use alsa
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| 22:17 | i think xmms uses oss by default
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| 22:17 | daya: you might have luck leaving xmms to use the default output plugin, and using: padsp xmms
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| 22:17 | padsp is a wrapper to trick oss into using pulseaudio
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| 22:17 | but it's better just to configure it to use alsa
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| 22:18 | daya: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l pulseaudio-esound-compat alsa-utils libasound2-plugins | egrep ^ii
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| 22:18 | and
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| 22:19 | daya: dpkg -l libasound2-plugins | egrep ^ii
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| 22:24 | <warren> wow
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| 22:24 | hmm
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| 22:24 | LTSP Term 1000 PXE can't boot Fedora's i586 kernel
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| 22:24 | <daya> vagrantc, http://ltspbot.pastebin.org/8323,
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> warren: there's a few chips out there that are kind of like hyped-up 486s
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| 22:24 | <warren> vagrantc, so this is one of them?
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| 22:24 | vagrantc, doesn't even have 586 instructions?
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> warren: i've seen the occasional one
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| 22:25 | warren: i can't confirm that that is one for sure...
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| 22:26 | <daya> vagrantc, is sth is missing from my configuraiton
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> i mean, i'm speaking in terms of knowing such chips exist ... i don't really know about the particular model you're using.
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| 22:26 | daya: ??
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| 22:27 | <daya> vagrantc, I mean the pkg I need to install,
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> daya: looks like you've got all the ones i've documented
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| 22:27 | <daya> vagrantc, I didn't find asound.conf in ubuntu, but sound works well
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> daya: ubuntu does it differently
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| 22:28 | <daya> vagrantc, can't we do as it in case of debian,
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| 22:28 | vagrantc, what make it debian a different that of ununtu in the implementation,
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> daya: ubuntu has patched many packages to have special hooks
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| 22:29 | <warren> vagrantc, actually, there is no illegal instruction error... it just gets stuck during booting
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| 22:29 | vagrantc, which indicates that this chip does actually do i586 instructions
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> warren: sure.
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| 22:29 | warren: might have been giving you a red herring...
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| 22:30 | daya: maybe someday debian will include those patches
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| 22:30 | <daya> vagrantc, :), great wating for that day,
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| 22:31 | vagrantc, configure sound applications to talk to alsa means from gstreamer-properties for totem, and xmms preferences for xmms am i right,
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> daya: in my experience, setting /etc/asound.conf as described in README.Debian.sound should make it very similar to what ubuntu has done.
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| 22:32 | daya: i don't know totem, but if totem uses gstreamer, probably, yes.
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| 22:32 | <daya> and Do i need to set both input and output to use alsa,
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> ubuntu has probably patched everything to use alsa by default...
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| 22:33 | daya: input is for microphones ...
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| 22:33 | <daya> vagrantc, oh,
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> to hear sounds with speakers or headphones, you just need to worry about output, i think
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| 22:34 | <daya> vagrantc, have u tested sound only in gxine, do u have tested in case of xmms, and totem
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| 22:34 | <warren> ah
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| 22:34 | <daya> vagrantc, I don't need to install pulseaudio separately isn't it ?
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> daya: as i have told you several times now, i tested my instructions with xmms, xine rhythmbox and some kde application
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| 22:35 | <warren> It gets stuck at "Write protecting the kernel read-only data: 844k"
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| 22:35 | <daya> vagrantc, I am totally confused , Do we only have done with pulseaudio plugin,
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| 22:35 | vagrantc, sorry for revision,
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| 22:35 | <vagrantc> daya: the idea is... use alsa for everything, and tell alsa to use pulseaudio
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| 22:36 | since almost everything supports alsa, then every application doesn't need to support pulseauido
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| 22:36 | pulseaudio
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| 22:36 | <daya> vagrantc, but we haven't instlled pulseaudio pkg isn't it?,
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| 22:37 | <vagrantc> daya: i'm sorry, i don't understand your question
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| 22:38 | <daya> vagrantc, Do I need to install pulseaudio pkg
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> daya: not on the server
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| 22:39 | daya: all you should need is libasound2-plugins
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| 22:40 | <daya> vagrantc, ok , I will again do it in a fresh system,
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> daya: libasound2-plugins pulls in libpulse0, which has the pulseaudio support
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| 22:42 | daya: when i wrote those instructions, i made sure the dependencies were set ... so ltsp-server-standalone installs all the stuff for sound on the server, and ltsp-client installs all the appropriate stuff in the ltsp chroot
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| 22:43 | <daya> But, It never works in me ,I don't know what I make a silly mistake
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> i don't know either
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| 22:43 | daya: you're using the backported packages ?
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| 22:43 | <daya> vagrantc, yes, from the lower portion of the wiki,
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> ltsp 5.0.31debian* or newer?
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| 22:44 | i should work on a 5.0.39debian* backport
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| 22:44 | <daya> vagrantc, isn't it from the lower poriton of the wiki.debian.org/ltsp how to,
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| 22:44 | <vagrantc> warren: do you remember who's idea it was to use the "dist" directory in all the bzr sources?
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| 22:45 | <warren> vagrantc, it was me
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| 22:45 | vagrantc, did you see the next revision of the structure agreed upon by ogra, me and sbalneav?
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> warren: where was it discussed?
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| 22:45 | <warren> vagrantc, similar, except without the dist directory, and a mkdist shell script that handles what the dist level Makefile used to.
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| 22:45 | vagrantc, in this channel, yesterday or 2 days ago, can't remember.
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| 22:46 | <vagrantc> warren: oh. so you've fallen to our evil habit of only discussing things on irc? :P
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| 22:46 | <warren> vagrantc, it is difficult not to, when ogra was so unhappy with the dist dir
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| 22:46 | * vagrantc wonders why it wasn't discuessed on the recent ltsp-developer thread | |
| 22:47 | <vagrantc> yes, ogra was quite unhappy with the dist dir stuff
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| 22:47 | i didn't like it much ... but whatever :)
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| 22:48 | i think summaries of important irc discussions should probably get posted to the list, at least ...
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| 22:48 | warren: are there any URLs of the new structure idea anywhere ?
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| 22:49 | <warren> vagrantc, I don't know =(
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> oh well ...
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| 22:49 | as long as it's not forgotten
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| 22:51 | * vagrantc is eagre to see a release | |
| 22:52 | <vagrantc> warren: how's the progress with fedora going?
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| 22:52 | <warren> vagrantc, I've been fixing bugs outside of the LTSP upstream scripts (tons of them...) waiting for the structure to stabilize.
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| 22:52 | vagrantc, also writing up justifications for me to spend so much time on this.
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:56 | <vagrantc> warren: did you ever see my quick and dirty attempt to get LTSP5 rolling on fedora? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20070831170400.GP10279%40ryukin.fglan
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| 22:57 | <warren> "it generates a chroot environment and configures the initramfs for
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| 22:57 | network booting. i have no idea if it works. still needs init scripts
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| 22:57 | and such."
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| 22:58 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 22:58 | <warren> vagrantc, this part I got working in an entirely fedora way without using any upstream code
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| 22:58 | <vagrantc> well, sure.
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| 22:58 | <warren> I'll integrate this when the upstream structure stabilizes
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| 23:02 | vagrantc, a few people in my office are interested in helping with LTSP dev, and I have a pile of thin clients from vendors, so spreading them around as soon as I get packages.
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> good
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| 23:05 | <warren> vagrantc, other than generating chroot environment and initramfs did you do anything else fedora specific in there?
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| 23:05 | <vagrantc> daya: i'm away from my development environment... otherwise i'd go through and install etch and try out the new backports myself
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| 23:06 | warren: i had to work around missing features in fedora's run-parts script
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| 23:06 | it's just basically a plugin that calls yum a couple times and creates an mkinitrd configuration file to use nfs
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| 23:07 | <warren> vagrantc, run-parts is used in fedora mainly for cron, is run-parts used for anything else frequently?
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| 23:08 | <vagrantc> warren: there's a "--list" option in the debian run-parts ... used extensively for the ltsp-build-client plugins
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| 23:08 | <warren> vagrantc, could you upload debian's run-parts at a URL I can grab?
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| 23:09 | <vagrantc> warren: it's a c program ...
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| 23:09 | <warren> oh
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| 23:09 | our run-parts is bash...
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| 23:09 | <vagrantc> yes, i noticed
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| 23:09 | <warren> heh
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| 23:09 | #!/bin/bash
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| 23:09 | # run-parts - concept taken from Debian
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| 23:10 | <vagrantc> yes, i noticed that too :)
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| 23:10 | warren: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debianutils.html
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| 23:10 | <warren> vagrantc, I have lots of disk space now, what ISO should I grab to install Debian?
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| 23:10 | <vagrantc> warren: should be a source tarball there
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| 23:11 | <warren> ah, Ubuntu's run-parts would be the same thing?
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| 23:11 | <vagrantc> warren: you just want a basic system or a full install?
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| 23:11 | warren: http://www.debian.org/CD/
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| 23:11 | warren: i'd go with one of the minimal bootable CD images
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| 23:12 | <warren> hmm
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> warren: i was trying to get the qemu hooks you had set up ... but i was missing something crucial
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| 23:12 | <warren> vagrantc, qemu couldn't PXE?
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| 23:12 | vagrantc, many versions of qemu are broken
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| 23:13 | vagrantc, I personally had to figure out why F8's qemu was broken
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| 23:13 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, the version i had didn't have PXE, but i used an etherboot .iso instead ... but i didn't even get as far as the bootloader
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| 23:14 | <warren> vagrantc, could always try F8 =)
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> warren: something about setting up the tap interface
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| 23:14 | * vagrantc tries to get the exact error | |
| 23:15 | <warren> vagrantc, qemu is really difficult to deal with
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| 23:15 | vagrantc, can you unpack and build F8's qemu? I know that works.
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> F8 ?
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| 23:15 | <warren> vagrantc, Fedora 8
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| 23:16 | finding it for you
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| 23:16 | <vagrantc> i think it would probably fail with something more low-level
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| 23:16 | <warren> why?
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| 23:17 | <vagrantc> not having the right kernel module loaded
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| 23:18 | warning: could not configure /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation
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| 23:18 | the number of times i tried to search that error message without internet access the last two days
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| 23:18 | <warren> vagrantc, do you have the tun module loaded?
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| 23:18 | * vagrantc was on a train for 2 days | |
| 23:18 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, i get a different error when the module isn't loaded
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| 23:18 | <warren> mmm
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| 23:19 | vagrantc, how much RAM you have, btw?
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| 23:19 | <vagrantc> 512M
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| 23:21 | sounds like i need tunctl
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| 23:21 | <cyberorg> moin guys
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| 23:29 | <warren> *cool*
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| 23:29 | Edubuntu running in qemu-kvm, on the same virbr0 as my qemu-kvm guest.
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| 23:29 | interchangable LTSP distro... testing and development all within my laptop
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| 23:37 | <ltsppbot> "daya" pasted "Installed following the lower" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/353
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| 23:39 | <daya> vagrantc, could you please go thru http://pastebot.ltsp.org/353,
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| 23:40 | <vagrantc> daya: ok ...
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| 23:40 | daya: echo $PULSE_SERVER $ESPEAKER
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| 23:42 | <daya> vagrantc, I have follwoed everything but couldn't sort out the error,
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| 23:42 | <vagrantc> daya: echo pulse $PULSE_SERVER ; echo esound $ESPEAKER
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| 23:46 | <daya> vagrantc, ltsp@debian:~$ echo $ESPEAKER
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| 23:46 | 192.168.2.250:16001
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| 23:46 | ltsp@debian:~$ echo $PULSE_SERVER
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| 23:46 | tcp:192.168.2.250:4713
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> ok, looks good.
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| 23:49 | <daya> vagrantc, but the sound in client still don't work
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| 23:50 | vagrantc, do i need to configure /etc/pulse/client.conf as that of ubuntu,
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| 23:50 | vagrantc, I have tried as of ubuntu replacing each file, but not succeed.
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> daya: for me, i needed to do nothing more.
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| 23:52 | <daya> vagrantc, =p
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| 23:53 | <vagrantc> daya: it is the truth
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| 23:55 | <daya> vagrantc, Yes, I accept it , But what happen to me remain a mystery
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> daya: might be something to do with the default volume settings on your thin client ?
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| 23:55 | daya: try alsamixer
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| 23:55 | <daya> vagrantc, in client
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| 23:56 | <vagrantc> daya: logged in to the server from the client, run alsamixer
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| 23:56 | daya: you'll need alsa-utils installed on the server
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| 23:58 | <daya> vagrantc, yes alsa-utils is installed,
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| 23:59 | vagrantc, yes I ran it and set the vol to max,
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