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Channel log from 23 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:47 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 04:23 | <happywithltsp> hi everyone
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| 04:25 | My current setup is <Internet> -- <router> -- <eth1 LTSP server eth0> -- <switch> -- <clients>
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| 04:26 | My clients are all i386, so I did a ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
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| 04:27 | I confirmed that my LTSP serve has connection to the Internet
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| 04:27 | However, my LTSP clients do not connect to the LTSP server
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| 04:28 | How do I check whether my LTSP server's DHCP is connected or now
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| 04:29 | or in other words, how do I check whether my DHCP is correctly setup?
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| 05:07 | <masus> hi all, have problem with my mouse scrolling. is it a problem of ltsp or do i have a look at xfce.Thanks.
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| 08:06 | <comete> hi
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| 08:08 | <comete> i use Edubuntu 8.04 as my ltsp server and it is up to date but i've still this bug which display several floppy icons on each thinclient desktop, any idea to remove them ?
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| 08:08 | ogra, hi :)
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| 08:10 | <Nuba1> comete: its a known bug... it seems to be fixed for some people and not for others... I'm one of the people who its not working for
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| 08:10 | <comete> Nubae, arggg bad luck
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| 08:11 | <Nubae> indeed
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| 08:21 | <masus> hi all, have problem with my mouse scrolling. is it a problem of ltsp or do i have a look at xfce.Thanks.
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| 08:24 | <johnny> Nubae, were you able to clear out your /tmp directory manually and then see if the problem was fixed?
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| 08:25 | <Nubae> no I didn't try that, I left the setup in someone else's hands as I'm working with olpc now
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| 08:25 | but I shall suggest it to them
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| 08:29 | <comete> johnny, oh good idea i will try this, but i thought that /tmp was deleted at each reboot...
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| 08:30 | <johnny> hmm.. maybe i missed that
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| 08:30 | i use ubuntu rarely
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| 08:31 | i had it on my laptop, but no more
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| 08:31 | but i do use ubuntu for my ltsp server
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| 08:31 | don't know all the details of that side of things
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| 08:50 | <ogra> Nubae, few people ?
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| 08:50 | there is actually only one person yet for whom its not fixed commenting on the bug
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| 08:50 | <Nubae> yeah I've seen others talk about it not working
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| 08:50 | <ogra> strange
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| 08:51 | techincally there is no reason why it shouldnt work apart from having the wrong packages updated or something
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| 08:52 | <Nubae> unfortunately I can't check up on the system I was admining, but I know they're still getting multiple floppies and cdroms, as well as usb sticks showing up on everyones desks
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| 08:52 | <ogra> glib cant display contents users dont have access to and ltspfs makes sure created mountpoints are owned by the user and not accessible by anyone else
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| 08:52 | <Nubae> and I've got hardy-proposed in both client chroot and server updated
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| 08:52 | <ogra> th eonly thing i could imagine would be devices plugged in to the server which are handled completely different
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| 08:53 | <Nubae> no
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| 08:53 | <ogra> no need for the client side here
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| 08:53 | <Nubae> its devices plugged into the thin clients
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| 08:53 | <ogra> its al server only, glib and ltspfs on the server need to be the ones from hardy-updates
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| 08:54 | <Nubae> ok, I'll try manually to reconfigure glib and ltspfs
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| 08:54 | maybe that will help
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| 08:54 | <ogra> nah
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| 08:54 | its in the binary
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| 08:54 | there is nothing to configure
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| 08:54 | <Nubae> ok
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| 08:54 | <ogra> check the mountpoints in /media for the permissions
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| 08:54 | <comete> i get this problem only with floppies
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| 08:56 | <ogra> /media/$USER needs to be 750 and owned by the user
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| 08:56 | can you check that ?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> (750 translates to drwxr-x--- )
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| 08:57 | <Nubae> rthits owned by root.users
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| 08:58 | instead of the actual username
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| 08:58 | <ogra> users ?
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| 08:58 | thats surely wrong
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| 08:58 | <Nubae> yeah users is their group
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| 08:58 | <ogra> the group needs to be the user
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| 08:58 | <Nubae> hmmm
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| 08:58 | but all the users in my system are in primary group users
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| 08:58 | could that be it?
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| 08:59 | i need it that way for filtering via iptables
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| 08:59 | <ogra> ouch, well, that could be
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| 08:59 | <comete> me too
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| 08:59 | <ogra> users should be an additiona group here
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| 09:00 | <Nubae> aha.. something in common comete
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| 09:00 | :-)
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| 09:00 | ok... so that means writing a script that makes groups from user names
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| 09:00 | <ogra> and the primary group should be the users own group
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| 09:00 | no
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| 09:00 | <Nubae> and putting them all in that as primary group?
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| 09:00 | <ogra> adduser adds a group for every user by default at user creation
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| 09:00 | <Nubae> yeah I know that, but the users are already created
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| 09:00 | <ogra> (users-damin, the gui uses adduer as backend)
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| 09:01 | <Nubae> and I deleted those
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| 09:01 | <ogra> *admin
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| 09:01 | <Nubae> I don't have the user names as groups anymore
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| 09:01 | I deleted those
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| 09:01 | <ogra> well
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| 09:01 | <Nubae> or better said, used a different way to create users
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| 09:01 | <ogra> what shall i say :)
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| 09:01 | <Nubae> didn't know that it had to be username.username for permissions
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| 09:02 | doesn't say that anywhere
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| 09:02 | <ogra> well, its a system default
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| 09:02 | <Nubae> till now username.group worked fine
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| 09:02 | <ogra> i didnt expect someone to edit /etc/group
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| 09:02 | <Nubae> heh
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| 09:02 | well, since I've been messing with ldap and fat clients
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| 09:02 | I did exactly that
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| 09:03 | ok, I'll write a little script... should be pretty quick
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| 09:03 | <ogra> create one test user first
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| 09:03 | to prove its that
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| 09:04 | <ogra> (not, he will see all the other mounts still, but others shouldnt see his)
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| 09:05 | *note
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| 09:05 | <johnny> i still need to figure out how to make my desktop users stuff not show up on the thin client..
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| 09:05 | <Nubae> all media points are still owned by root.users though
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| 09:05 | not by user.users
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| 09:06 | <ogra> it must be root.$GROUP
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| 09:06 | <Nubae> ok, cool
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| 09:06 | <ogra> root is right here
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| 09:06 | lbmount, the suid binary that acrually creates the dir is root
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| 09:06 | so root owns it
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| 09:06 | thats the reason why we need to use the group
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| 09:09 | <Nubae> logical... anyway, changed my sysadmin main group to sysadmin
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| 09:09 | and now the media is owned by root.sysadmin
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| 09:09 | but still shows up on everyone's desktop
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| 09:09 | <ogra> the one from the user sysadmin ?
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| 09:09 | <Nubae> do i have to restart the server?
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| 09:09 | yes
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| 09:09 | <ogra> user sysadmin needs to be logged in and plug in a device
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| 09:10 | you shouldnt need to
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| 09:10 | the device sysadmin plugs in shouldnt show up on others desktops
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| 09:11 | sysadmin will still see the devices of the others until you fixed their groups as well though
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| 09:12 | <Nubae> ok thanks
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| 09:12 | <ogra> (the bug title is: should not list mounts that the user doesn't have permission to use .... if your users indeed have that permission, the devices will show up)
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| 09:12 | so better not break the distro default :)
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| 09:24 | <Nubae> ill have to find a workaround for my iptable filter then
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| 09:25 | right now it looks at primary group and decides whether to send to dansguardian or squid
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| 09:26 | <ogra> make it look for a specific named group then :)
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| 09:26 | <likuidkewl> Ok this is going to sound a little "out there" but we are running a small LTSP setup on the same server as our bind9, mysql, apache, etc. and have some odd errors that are popping up. The main issue is named crashing and completely locking up forcing a HARD reboot, but we have also seen ssh have similar behavior. In the troubleshooting process this usually happens about every 2-3 days. One thing to note is that we have users who don't like to l
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| 09:27 | <ogra> Nubae, "id -G $USER |grep $GROUPID" should get you what you want
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| 09:28 | <stgraber> likuidkewl: your message has been cut at "don't like to"
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| 09:28 | likuidkewl: I'd suspect a "logout" to go after that :)
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| 09:28 | <likuidkewl> who don't like to log out and are wondering if anyone else is seeing such behavior. We are akin to believe it is not a LTSP issue but more of a Ubuntu issue, another note is that this didn't happen on FC6 w/4.2 with the same setup. I did a hard reboot on Friday and ensured that all users were logged out Friday afternoon and the service didn't crash all weekend. Anyone have some
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| 09:29 | stgraber: thanks
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| 09:30 | <ogra> if ssh shows similar behavior its not an ltsp issue but deeper down
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| 09:30 | try asking in #ubuntu-server for these other issues :)
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| 09:30 | <stgraber> that sounds like either a memory problem (those unkilled process eating all your memory) or a kernel issue
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| 09:30 | <likuidkewl> Ogra - Thanks just thought I would throw this out here and see :)
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| 09:31 | <ogra> also did you monitor the servers resources ? ram/CPU/diskspace
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| 09:31 | to make sure its not an error with the HW or HW setup
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| 09:31 | <likuidkewl> yes and at the time nothing looked too over the top
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| 09:32 | but the named service was spiking and causing 5 of the CPU load to be read by using TOP
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| 09:32 | <ogra> sounds really like a bind issue then
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| 09:32 | <likuidkewl> but as stated it is only when we have users still logged in and idle.
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| 09:33 | It has been fine allweekend
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| 09:33 | but I ask aroud the other channel
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| 09:33 | thanks
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| 09:33 | <ogra> well, users shouldnt have any affect on named
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| 09:33 | <likuidkewl> Right
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| 09:33 | <ogra> apart from probably running apps that hammer it
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| 09:33 | but even then it shouldnt hard lock
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| 09:34 | <likuidkewl> This also happened before the switch to x64 Ubuntu
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| 09:34 | * ogra has really seen havily loaded DNS machines in his life | |
| 09:34 | <likuidkewl> as we thought it was the 32bit memory addressing issues
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| 09:34 | <ogra> well, thats easily changed by just installing the -server kernel flavour, it had the 64G support enabled
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| 09:34 | *has
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| 09:35 | but you would still see your RAM being maxed out in htop or so i guess
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| 09:35 | <likuidkewl> Right, but we went all out and tried a full reinstall
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| 09:35 | on a spare box
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| 09:35 | <ogra> so if you say there was nothing suspicious
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| 09:55 | <monteslu> doh!
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| 09:55 | hate sending something to a large list and then realizing it has a typo after the fact
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| 09:55 | especially one that teachers read :)
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| 09:57 | * ogra didnt notice the typo ... but then i'm no teacher :) | |
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| 09:58 | <monteslu> well, I rephrased my rant about Adobe
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| 09:58 | but left it "Adobe's"
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| 10:06 | <Nubae> monteslu: I'd advice against 64 bit
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| 10:06 | there's no advantage
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| 10:06 | only headaches
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| 10:07 | <monteslu> Nubae, cool. Thanks.
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| 10:08 | I really only need the extra ram
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| 10:08 | hopefully the virtualization overhead doesn't slow things down
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| 10:14 | <cottima> Hello, does ltsp5 feature "http boot" from gPXE/etherboot ? (Note: It has been a year since I have touched LTSP or its docs. Sorry, just want to know.)
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| 10:21 | <supreme__> hi, im trying to use scanner from an user, but only root can do it, I've working in /etc/udev but nothing happen...
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| 10:21 | <Bert_2> Hi, I'm trying to set up LTSP 5.0.40 (from the ubuntu repository), I have ltsp-server, ltsp-standalone, ltspfs, ldm, thin-client-manager-*, ssh, nfs, dhcp3, tftpd-hpa and ndb-server, I'm in a network where all computers (server and clients) are connected to one router who also does DHCP stuff, why can't I boot using PXE ?
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| 10:21 | <ogra> cottima, it doesnt, but patches would be gratefully accepted to add it :)
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| 10:21 | !ubuntu
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| 10:21 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 10:22 | <ogra> Bert_2, ^^^^ did you follow that guide ?
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| 10:23 | <Bert_2> ogra: no cause I thaught there wasn't a new guide yet, #ubuntu pointed me to deprecated edubuntu manuals so I thought there weren't any new docs so I just tried something, thank you for the guide ogra, I guess that I'll fix most of my probs
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| 10:23 | ogra: am I right and did I install lots of unneeded packages ?
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| 10:24 | <ogra> well, yes, looks like
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| 10:24 | <ogra> ltsp-server-standalone will give you everything you need ... if you have an external dhcp server you can set up for netboot, only use ltsp-server
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| 10:25 | <Bert_2> ogra: okey, /me install like 20 packages...
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| 10:25 | <ogra> next time come here or to #edubuntu first :) saves some cleanup time :)
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| 10:26 | <Bert_2> ogra: #edubuntu is dead for as far as I know, most people there don't know anything about LTSP
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| 10:26 | <ogra> well, i'm in there and i wote most of ltsp ... you probably tried at times where i wasnt around or busy, sorry if you didnt get answers there
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| 10:26 | <monteslu> naw, there's some sharp people there
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| 10:27 | <ogra> s/wote/wrote/
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| 10:27 | <Bert_2> ogra: well, no problem, I'm very happy you help people around
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| 10:27 | <ogra> monteslu, well, i'm more and more busy with non ltsp stuff myself
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| 10:28 | <monteslu> same here :(
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| 10:28 | unfortuneatly i only volunteer at my kids school when I have time
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| 10:28 | <ogra> and it seems my time for ltsp ill still be cut down more in the future
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| 10:28 | <monteslu> that's too bad
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| 10:28 | <ogra> in favor of more classmate PC work
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| 10:29 | <monteslu> ltsp still needs to get reliable local apps
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| 10:29 | <ogra> well, ts bad for ltsp but good for the kids getting classmates with edubuntu/ubuntu edu edition ;)
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| 10:29 | <monteslu> heh
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| 10:29 | that sounds like fun too
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| 10:29 | <ogra> yeah. localapps is on the list for things we will discuss in portland next month at the ltsp hackfest
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| 10:30 | <monteslu> there was a post less than a year ago about some major breakthrough, but I never heard anything again
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| 10:30 | <ogra> sbalneav will be there, he designed the localapp spec ... ubuntu intrepid will have the bits and pieces enabled already so we just eed the glue to get everything together i think
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| 10:31 | <monteslu> cool
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| 10:31 | <ogra> that was about the time when sbalneav got to busy with real life to do much ltsp work
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| 10:31 | he is the brain behind the localapps stuff so we'Re waiting for im
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| 10:31 | <monteslu> all the good ones geting taken :)
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| 10:31 | jammcq isn't here much either
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| 10:31 | anymore
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| 10:31 | <ogra> well, from time to time
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| 10:31 | <Bert_2> sorry but, what is that localapps thing ?
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| 10:31 | <warren> is scottie going to the hackfest?
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| 10:31 | <ogra> but he doesnt do any ltsp stuff since two years anyway
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| 10:31 | <supreme__> talking about devices :P... how can i make that all users can use scanner? ive been working in /etc/udev permissions but nothing happen
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| 10:32 | <ogra> warren, he said he hasd (unlike me slacker) booked a ticket already
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| 10:32 | *has
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| 10:32 | <monteslu> Bert_2, an easier way to get the thin clients to do some of the work
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| 10:32 | <warren> ogra: heard anything about sshfs and stat?
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| 10:32 | <Bert_2> monteslu: so like levelling the processor load ?
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| 10:32 | <monteslu> Bert_2, nope
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| 10:32 | <ogra> no, but i know scott has a solution
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| 10:32 | <monteslu> just specific apps
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| 10:33 | <Bert_2> monteslu: can you give an exemple ?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> Bert_2, well, or things like skype where you run into probs shoveling all the audio over your net for multiple users
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| 10:33 | <monteslu> Bert_2, running firefox on the client instead of on the server, but running it in the same session
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| 10:33 | <ogra> flash is also a good candidate
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| 10:33 | <monteslu> so would most games
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| 10:34 | tuxtype, tuxmath, etch
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| 10:34 | etc
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| 10:34 | <Bert_2> I see
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| 10:34 | very usefull indeed
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| 10:34 | <cottima> Bert_2 I am on #edubuntu right now
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| 10:34 | <Bert_2> cottima: I'm building my client image thingy :p
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| 10:36 | <Bert_2> say, do my clients have to be connected straight to my server and get dhcp from it or can my router do that ?
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| 10:36 | <monteslu> Bert_2, if you use your router it will need to give the same info that the ltsp server does
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| 10:36 | <cottima> ogra, I will see what I can do. Programming is my weakness, but crossing wires seems to work for me. I will play with http boot and read up on the docs. By the way, it is great to see you.
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| 10:37 | <Bert_2> monteslu: damn, and I just realized I'm on 64bit and that it's creating a 64bit image, but my clients are 32bit, problem ?
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| 10:37 | <ogra> cottima, thanks :)
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| 10:38 | Bert_2, yes, you should have used --arch i386 as switch to ltsp-build-client
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| 10:38 | <monteslu> Bert_2, not sure. but these other guys will know :)
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| 10:38 | see!
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| 10:38 | <ogra> unless your clients have 64bit CPUs :)
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| 10:38 | <Bert_2> damn, that should be in the manual
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| 10:38 | * Bert_2 edits | |
| 10:38 | * ogra thought its in there at the bottom somewhere | |
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| 10:39 | <cottima> Bert_2 I have not touch ltsp for a year, and I was never good at it. Reading the docs over and over does help, and ogra is right [always].
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| 10:40 | <ogra> nah
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| 10:40 | not always
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| 10:40 | <Bert_2> well, he kind of forgot to put that in I'm afraid :P
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| 10:40 | <supreme__> help pls
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| 10:40 | <ogra> right, please do so
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| 10:41 | supreme__, there is a global variable or so you need to set, the docs for setting up scannes you find on ltsp.org should still apply
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| 10:41 | * ogra has never ever used a scanner on ltsp but was told it still works the same by people that did | |
| 10:41 | <supreme__> im using ltsp4.2
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| 10:42 | ill find info there...
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| 10:42 | <supreme__> i think i already did things there say but just in case ill recheck it
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| 10:43 | <cottima> Bert_2 (Note: I am bad, lazy, dumb linux [desktop] user.) If you have a 64-bit proc, then even virtualize an image of an os or do a chroot of a 32-bit. I have seen a doc for chrooting debian 32-bit inside of a debian 64-bit. And do not worry, I am afraid of the damage or (security) holes I made. Sometime, you have to backup, then play around, and see what works.
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| 10:44 | <Bert_2> cottima: I have been working very long with 32bit in 64bit, in ubuntu it's a lot stabler then in debian, you can virtualise without a problem and also 32-bit apps run perfectly with my 64bit libs
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| 10:45 | <ogra> supreme__, getting help with 4.x versions will get harder and harder, 4.x isnt developed or touched since three years now
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| 10:45 | <supreme__> ogra, my scanner actually works in clients, but only root can use it
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| 10:45 | <ogra> not many of us have much clue about the old 4.x stuff
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| 10:45 | <supreme__> unfortunately ltsp4.2 is the last version that support many ebox devices
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| 10:45 | <Bert_2> supreme__: are your users in the group that can use scanners ?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> supreme__, yeah, ebox is a very very bad thing ... add 20 bucks and you get real thin clients instead
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| 10:47 | * ogra rcommends thincan if people urgently want a cheapo client ... ebox is really only usable for kiosk systems with modern kernels | |
| 10:48 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 10:48 | ogra: btw, what do we need to do to get the fix for -geode and -nsc backport to Hardy?
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| 10:48 | <supreme__> Bert_2, i dont know, i suppose that scanner is /dev/parport... or /dev/usb/lp0 , if this is the case, then users are in that groups
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| 10:49 | (group lp
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| 10:49 | <Bert_2> supreme__: I suppose so yeah
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| 10:50 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, backports ? thats easy, just open a bug and subscribe ubuntu-backports to it
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| 10:50 | <supreme__> how can i know which group belongs scanner ?
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| 10:50 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: or in practice, to hardy-updates. it requires backporting the changes from intrepid or my ppa.
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| 10:50 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, well, the bug should have all info they need
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| 10:50 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: until thta has entered hardy-updates, -geode and -nsc are both borken
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| 10:50 | <Bert_2> ogra: I have updated the wiki
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| 10:51 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: the bug does, but SRU team hasn't responded
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| 10:51 | <ogra> i'm no release manager ...
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> supreme__: you're on rhel + ltsp 4.2, right?
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| 10:51 | <ogra> so i cant tell much here, i have no power to decide anything here, only pitti and slangasek can
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| 10:51 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: indeed not, but you can influence their decision :)
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| 10:51 | <ogra> i can just say "works here" please add ...
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| 10:52 | <supreme__> Gadi, yes
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| 10:52 | :o
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| 10:52 | <ogra> but thats happened plenty of times on that bug already
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| 10:52 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: that would aready help :)
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> supreme__: I wouldnt worry about the scanner group, then
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| 10:52 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, ok, i'll comment
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> supreme__: what docs did you use to set up the scanner?
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| 10:52 | <supreme__> Gadi, im working in udev dir, checking default permissions,, but no results
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| 10:53 | scanner worked out of the box, in fact root can scan perfectly with xsane
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> did you do this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners
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| 10:54 | ?
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| 10:54 | <supreme__> actually scanner is on the server
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> ah, well thats a whole different story
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| 10:54 | :)
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| 10:55 | then, /dev perms make sense
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| 10:55 | <supreme__> yes, i know
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> do you have a /dev/scanner?
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| 10:55 | is it USB?
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| 10:55 | or scsi?
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| 10:56 | <supreme__> nope
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| 10:56 | its an usb
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| 10:56 | and i havent /dev/scanner
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> my guess is it uses libusb anyway
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| 10:56 | so it finds it in /proc/bus/usb...
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| 10:57 | <supreme__> 001 002 003 004 005 devices
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> right right
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| 10:57 | dont bother looking necessarily
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| 10:57 | hmm...
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| 10:57 | ls -l /dev|grep usb
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| 10:58 | <ogra> if thats an old rh it probably still uses usbfs
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| 10:58 | <supreme__> i got: par0 -> usb/lp0 and usb
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| 11:00 | its an rhel4.5
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> getent group scanner
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| 11:00 | see if you have a scanner group
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| 11:00 | <supreme__> i got nothing, i havent scanner grupo
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| 11:00 | *group
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> yeah, i figured that was a debian thing
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| 11:01 | ls /etc/udev/rules.d/*sane*
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| 11:01 | <supreme__> i have an lp group, i have /dev/parport0..4 files which belongs to lp group
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| 11:02 | ls: /etc/udev/rules.d/*sane*: No exist file or directory....
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| 11:02 | and with ls /etc/udev/rules.d/|grep sane nothing
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| 11:02 | <ogra> grep scanner /etc/udev/rules.d/*
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| 11:02 | :)
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| 11:03 | it wuld create something like /dev/scanner
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| 11:03 | <supreme__> theres nothing
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| 11:03 | <ogra> weird
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| 11:03 | <supreme__> i read about create an device /dev/scanner and they say that this could be dangerous since some scsi dev uses that device
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| 11:04 | * ogra gets ten different udev rules for different scanners on ubuntu | |
| 11:05 | <supreme__> i did sane-find-scanner as root and i got: "found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [HP], product=0x4811 [PSC 1600 series]) at libusb:001:003"
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| 11:06 | that info is correct
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| 11:06 | <ogra> right
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| 11:06 | and based on that info udev should create a device
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| 11:07 | /etc/udev/rules.d/55-hpmud.rules: SYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="??11", OWNER="lp", GROUP="scanner", MODE="0660"
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| 11:07 | thats the matching rule in ubuntu
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| 11:07 | <supreme__> ill check it
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| 11:09 | idvendor is 03f0, so i checked it in 55-hpmud.rules and i got 4 lines with this: SYSFS{idVendor}=="03f0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="??11", OWNER="root", GROUP="lp", MOD E="0666"
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| 11:10 | other 3 lines changes idproduct to ??02 ??12 ??04 and ??17 (oops 5 lines i got)
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| 11:11 | <ogra> right, thats just different models
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| 11:11 | <supreme__> my idproduct is product=0x4811
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| 11:11 | <ogra> which is matched by ??11
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| 11:11 | <supreme__> yes
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| 11:11 | so check permissions :/
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| 11:11 | should be correct
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| 11:12 | <ogra> you user seems to need to be in the lp group
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| 11:12 | <supreme__> i checked that too, all users are in lp group
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| 11:12 | <ogra> OWNER and GROUP are the only differences in that rule
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| 11:14 | <monteslu> who are these people that think no one needs more than 3GB of ram?
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| 11:14 | i really gotta start avoiding digg and slashdot
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| 11:14 | <ogra> ??
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| 11:14 | why should you not use more if you want to ?
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| 11:15 | <monteslu> exactly
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| 11:15 | <ogra> my lappie us surely overequipped with its 3G though
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| 11:15 | <monteslu> mine has 4, but only uses 3 because of the crap OS on it
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| 11:15 | not enough since i do lots of virtualization
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| 11:15 | <ogra> i never manage to get over 2.5G used even when compiling several kernels and ding other heavyweight work
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| 11:15 | *doing
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| 11:16 | <monteslu> try doing some IBM websphere work :)
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| 11:16 | <ogra> ah, well, 5-6 vm's can indeed make use of it
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| 11:16 | <monteslu> a gig just to launch that nightmare
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| 11:16 | <ogra> bah
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| 11:16 | well, but in ubuntu its just a matter of installing the -server kernel and you can use up to 64GB
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| 11:17 | <monteslu> maybe i should do that on my new server
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| 11:17 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:17 | <monteslu> still probably run in 32 bit mode
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| 11:17 | <ogra> linux-server or linux-image-server is waht you want there
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| 11:17 | <supreme__> ogra, i already chech that users belong to lp group
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| 11:18 | <ogra> supreme__, well, i cant help you much here i havent touched any RH based system since last century
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| 11:19 | i can only give you comparison data from ubuntu
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| 11:19 | but tere are surely differences in handling the case
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| 11:19 | <supreme__> ok ogra, thanks anyway, ive learned a lot with your gide
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| 11:19 | *guide
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| 11:19 | <ogra> probably warren likes to chime in
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| 11:19 | <supreme__> ok, thanks
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| 11:21 | warren, some idea about this issue
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| 11:21 | ?
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| 11:33 | <supreme__> humm
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| 11:44 | <warren> on what?
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| 11:46 | <supreme__> i cannot scan from another users than root
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| 11:50 | <warren> isn't that only a permission problem?
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| 11:50 | anyway I don't know udev, you need to ask for help in the usual players
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| 11:50 | <ogra> he said his users are in the lp group
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| 11:50 | and the udev rules seem to use that group for sharing permissions of the device
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| 11:51 | (but given that thi is ltsp 4.x on redhat i wsnt able to give much more help here)
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| 11:51 | <supreme__> i think its a permission problem too but everything seems ok
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| 12:23 | <Lns> ace_suares, ha! Didn't know that.
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| 12:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, meh, you dropped all the changelog entries from ldm ?
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| 12:26 | that will take me a day to merge manually
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: i dropped no changelog entries.
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| 12:49 | ogra: you never gave me anything to merge.
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| 12:49 | <ogra> well, you had ldm before you added the epoch
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| 12:49 | all the former changelog entries are missing
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> oh, right.
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| 12:49 | <ogra> i cant do that
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| 12:50 | so i need to merge
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| 12:50 | which ets me into trouble for the time where i kept the old versioning and you added the new one
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> why not? it's a different source package.
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| 12:50 | different source package, different history.
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| 12:51 | <ogra> hmm
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| 12:51 | well
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| 12:51 | same code though
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| 12:51 | just advanced/evolved
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| 12:52 | sad, there is lot more to do than just spltting out the themes ... my deps are quite different
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> well, in the initial changelog entry, it says "see ltsp changelog for previous history"
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| 12:52 | i think that's reasonable.
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| 12:52 | <ogra> hmm, right
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| 12:53 | but still problematic for me
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| 12:53 | i need to merge at least for the time where i already had split out the separate source package in ubuntu
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| 12:53 | which is likely gutsy and hardy
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| 13:10 | <ogra> vagrantc, heh, that ldm manpage is funny ... the copyright note is bigger than the texz
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| 13:10 | *text
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| 13:31 | <rjune_> !g
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| 13:31 | <ltspbot> rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:39 | <Lns> heh, ltspbot must have been watching Sesame Street.
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| 13:45 | <rjune_> !j
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| 13:45 | <ltspbot> rjune_: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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| 13:45 | <rjune_> doh!
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| 13:45 | !o
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| 14:07 | <warren> vagrantc: btw, how do you use X -configure with read-only root?
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| 14:07 | (EE) Unable to locate/open config file "//xorg.conf.new"
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> hey, rjune!
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| 14:22 | warren: HOME=/tmp X -configure
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| 14:22 | ;)
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| 14:22 | <warren> ah
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| 14:22 | thanks
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> at least, that's the cheating way
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| 14:23 | Im sure there's a flag
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| 14:23 | :)
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| 14:23 | <warren> no flag that I can see
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| 14:27 | <rjune_> how goes it gadi
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'd be happy to find another way, but setting HOME works
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> 1 sec - ph call
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| 15:08 | <monteslu> woohoo! got a donor to put up cash for another server
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| 15:08 | I'm doing 2X dual quad core AMDs with 16GB ram each
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| 15:09 | should be enough for my 75 clients :)
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| 15:09 | oh, and I'm replacing the 10/100 switches with 10/100/1000s
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| 15:09 | gonna have the kids gaming in their free time this year
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| 15:10 | 4 times the cpu, 4 times the ram, and 10 times the bandwith as last year
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| 15:10 | sure is nice to put money into hardware instead of licensing
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| 15:36 | <Patina> monteslu: What kind of games is that?
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| 15:36 | I would expect som problems with 3d on thin clients.
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| 15:50 | <monteslu> Patina, every game I cand find that isn't 3d
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| 15:50 | mostly networking games
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| 15:50 | wesnoth, pioneers(settlers of catan)
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| 15:50 | civ
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| 15:50 | all the educational stuff like tuxpaint, tuxmath, tuxtyping
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| 15:51 | <Patina> Aah, no 3d, just as I thought. ;-)
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| 15:51 | <monteslu> of course not, I don't have nvidia chips in the thin clients :)
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| 15:52 | <Patina> I heard a radioshow once with somebody (I think) claiming they could run 3d apps with the 3d decoding done on the server.
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| 15:52 | <monteslu> though I bet I can get reasonable performance with mesa3d for a few thin clients on these new rigs
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| 15:52 | <Patina> Not ltsp, but same principle.
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| 15:53 | <monteslu> Patina, well a few people are using 3d drivers on clients with 3d hardware
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| 15:53 | not sure how that all works
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| 20:18 | <ace_suares> lns: funny reactiomng trough irc when readign email :)
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| 20:25 | <Q-FUNK> ?
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| 20:32 | <Q-FUNK> would anybody remember how to pass cmdline options to the kernel when it boots from nbi.img ?
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| 20:33 | PXE hosts are easy to do, since there's a config file
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| 20:33 | <Q-FUNK> but here, I need to do this for hosts that boot via the traditional etherboot
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| 21:01 | <ace_suares> no clue, Q-FUNK :-(
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| 21:57 | <Q-FUNK> ok /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf seems to be what I'm looking for to edit the cmdline, using BOOTPROMPT_OPTS, but it seems to be ignored by mkelfimage
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| 21:59 | ogra: am I missing something?
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| 22:33 | <Q-FUNK> can anybody remember what was the possible replacement for mkelfimage that the red hat guys had spotted?
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| 23:39 | <Q-FUNK> warren: seems that wraplinux has a broken autoconf.
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