IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 March 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:44 | <evan> Hi Alkisg
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| 06:45 | <Guest87610> we've sort've got the pxe with uefi boot working, it seems to load the bootx64.efi image
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| 06:49 | error: no such device: "uuid of the ltsp server"
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| 06:50 | error: file '/boot/vmlinuz-4.13.0-041300-generic' not found
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| 06:50 | alloc magic is broken at 0x7bafda0: 7b5c33c0
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| 06:50 | aborted. press any key to exit
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> Guest87610: yeah uefi can be tricky; btw make sure you're using an uefi capable kernel
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| 07:46 | Guest87610: I'm available for hire for any ltsp-related task, if you end up needing someone
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| 07:46 | E.g. "add uefi support in upstream ltsp"
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| 07:48 | <fiesh> I'll hire you again if you can solve the task "make uefi go away as an industry standard" :-)
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Haha, I'd do that for free if I were able to! :D
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| 07:49 | <fiesh> hehe
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| 07:54 | <Guest87610> I believe I am using an uefi capable kernel atm
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| 07:55 | it's almost like it is trying to boot into the main server
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| 07:55 | instead of using a network boot
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| 07:58 | also have you tried ipxe boot?
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> When I tried uefi, I had managed to do it with 3 different ways, ipxe, syslinux and grub
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| 07:58 | And some combinations of those
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| 07:58 | Each had its benefits and its drawbacks
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| 07:59 | That was 3 years ago if I remember well...
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| 08:00 | <Guest87610> btw
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| 08:00 | I would try and get my log files to you
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| 08:01 | with my issue with the i915 driver not working correctly with legacy boot on this particular machine
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| 08:01 | but it goes into a self testing loop
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| 08:01 | so I literally cannot do anything
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| 08:02 | I must mention that when I plug in an external display it works, but the screen on the all in one unit goes into a self testing loop
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> There are many ways to log with persistence, even over the network
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| 08:03 | If you want me to work on it, I'm sure we'll be able to find ways to solve it
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is it policy compliant if we move our policy-rc.d handler to ltsp-client itself, instead of server/ltsp-build-client?
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| 17:49 | It will make it easier to just install ltsp-client over existing chroots, without having to bother with "oh what's the difference from an ltsp-build-client chroot"
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| 17:50 | And better yet, instead of using LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS, to just check if we're in a chroot or not
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> Meh, update-alternatives and everything and it's still not policy compliant :D
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's the obvious thing to do, but packages aren't allowed to install it
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| 18:41 | * vagrantc double-checks | |
| 18:42 | <vagrantc> hrm. not mentioned in debian policy ...
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| 18:42 | it was definitely somewhere
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> vagrantc: https://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt says:
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| 19:14 | The /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d file *must* be managed through the alternatives system (/usr/sbin/update-alternatives) by any packages providing it.
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> oh, then maybe we can
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| 19:14 | we might even be able to leave it out entirely with systemd
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> In the future, maybe, but currently (e.g. Ubuntu 18.04) I've seen packages break chroot installations without it
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 19:15 | was really hoping to drop it... it's an ugly hack
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> install mate-desktop => installs blueman => tries to restart dbus => dies
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> I'm thinking that if we want to replace ltsp-build-client with something newer, the necessary functionality should be moved in ltsp-client,
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| 19:16 | even if it's administrator-invoked, like ltsp-config client or something, if policy mandates that...
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> agreed
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> Or we could drop chroot support and only support lxc or VMs, where we won't mind about services being started :D
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> i think ltsp-build-client or a replacement should be reduced to very minimal functionality
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| 19:18 | what's there now is overengineered
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> kvm /path/to/iso /path/to/disk; install; ltsp-update-image /path/to/disk...and we can use standard installers
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> it's not as automatable
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| 19:20 | * alkisg wonders if lxc works cross-arch, like, running an armhf chroot in an amd64 host, without having issues if dbus wants to restart itself... stgraber? Eh, stgraber no longer here :D | |
| 19:20 | <vagrantc> yes, lxc works if you've got qemu-user-static installed correctly
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> And does it solve the services issue?
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> ah, but as far as daemons restarting...
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| 19:20 | it *should* solve that issue
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| 19:20 | <alkisg> Is lxc relatively cross-distro?
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> no
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> Meh. Maybe docker then.
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> i like just gutting/rewriting ltsp-build-client better
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> Then we'll still need the policy-rc.d stuff, which means, let's move it into the client...
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm not sure if it differs, but hopefully /usr/share/doc/init-system-helpers/README.policy-rc.d.gz is a better source for current status
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| 19:54 | /usr/share/doc/init-system-helpers/README.policy-rc.d.gz
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| 19:55 | ops
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| 19:55 | what i meant was:
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| 19:56 | invoke-rc.d: could not determine current runlevel
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| 19:56 | invoke-rc.d: WARNING: No init system and policy-rc.d missing! Defaulting to block.
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| 19:56 | saw this on a chroot ... but it's probably not got any init system installed
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> Yeah that doesn't sound like policy-rc.d was involved
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| 19:57 | <vagrantc> yes, but it's doing what we want without policy-rc.d
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| 19:58 | simple enough to add policy-rc.d and just use the alternatives system
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| 19:58 | i think when it was initially implemented, it wasn't possible for packages to use it with the alternatives system or something
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