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Channel log from 14 May 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:59 | <gdi2k> hi all, I am interested in creating a new install of LTSP on Xubuntu 14.04 in June or July. Are there any major issues people are experiencing with 14.04 so far? Any major changes to be aware of? We are currently running Xubuntu 12.04 LTS
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| 07:04 | <will> hi
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| 07:04 | <work_alkisg> Hello
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| 07:06 | <will> Does someone already succeeded to integrated graphics drivers "via" for vxl console
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| 07:08 | I compiled the latest openchrome drivers but no result xorg is black
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> Is this related to ltsp?
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| 07:08 | <will> Whereas consoles park my other mark works
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| 07:09 | yes of course
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| 09:21 | <cyberorg> alkisg, hi, how did you solve screenlock unlock for fatclient?
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Hi cyberorg, I disabled it in gconf/gsettings
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| 09:22 | <cyberorg> alkisg, hmm, no other way?
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| 09:23 | can't we get shadow details same way we get passwd from the server and store it in the client?
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> Sure, I think I filed a bug about that too
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| 09:24 | We don't need shadow details, we can generate them
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| 09:24 | When ldm gets the password, it can do a hash, and store the result in shadow
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| 09:24 | But noone works on that, if you want you can send a patch
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| 09:24 | It should be optional, LDM_STORE_SHADOW etc for security reasons
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| 09:25 | And of course, with ltsp6 + pam, ldm and that part won't be needed anymore
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| 09:25 | <cyberorg> i wouldn't know where to start
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| 10:06 | <cyberorg> alkisg, i'm thinking of setting up ldap auth
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| 12:29 | <gp> What is the best way to configure pulse to use the switch-on-connect module on the client? http://askubuntu.com/questions/158241/automatically-change-sound-input-output-device
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| 12:30 | My client have to use usb speakers
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| 12:30 | Or is there a better way to select usb audio as the default device?
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| 12:30 | The usb audio is always plugged in
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| 12:33 | Or would I just want to set that in "/etc/pulse/default.pa" on my client?
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| 12:36 | <Hyperbyte> gp, have a look at.... pacmd or pactl, I think.
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> gp, oh, I actually have a more dirty solution, but works better for me - I blacklist the onboard audio kernel module. :-)
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| 13:52 | <gp> That isn't a bad idea. Would that stop HDMI from being selected as the main audio source?
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| 14:32 | <Hyperbyte> gp, oooh, that one I don't know.
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| 14:32 | But you can run the appropriate pacmd or pactl commands during login as well, in a script.
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| 14:33 | If you can't disable the hdmi audio
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| 14:56 | <gp> Okay. I wasn't sure if I could specify it with the MODULE_01 param in lts.conf
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| 14:59 | * Hyperbyte shrugs | |
| 14:59 | <gp> Ill start testing it out. Thanks for the help
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| 17:11 | <bennabiy> alkisg: eta for ltsp6? I saw your conversation with cyberorg and thought I might be able to apply a little time to the code for it, but I would need to know a little more about the current fat client process. Could you let me know when you have a little time?
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> ltsp6 is like a glacier...
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| 17:14 | sometimes it moves in sudden bursts, but mostly sits there.
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| 17:15 | unlike a glacier, those sudden bursts are directly related to people investing their time into it :)
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| 17:21 | <ogra_> so global warming will help ?
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| 17:25 | <Hyperbyte> ogra_, +like
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| 17:41 | * vagrantc waves to alkisg | |
| 17:41 | <alkisg1> Hi vagrantc, hi all
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| 17:42 | <alkisg1> Hi bennabiy
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> !learn todo-jammcq-sbalneav: change the IRC topic, or better yet add an IRC op
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| 17:52 | <ltsp> (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> !learn todo-jammcq-sbalneav as change the IRC topic, or better yet add an IRC op
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| 17:52 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> !learn todo-jammcq-sbalneav as delete or close http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-beginners/ http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-announce/ http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-translations/
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| 17:54 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> ltsp-translations is full of spam...
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| 17:54 | And completely unused nowadays with launchpad-based translations...
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| 17:58 | <mmetzger> alkisg: Thank you for the help the other day
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> mmetzger: np :)
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| 18:00 | vmlintu: could you explain the impact of this? http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/32333612/
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| 18:00 | I can't understand how that commit is related to source ports, but ok, that's not important, the important part is, how much it affects 14.04 users, and if someone is requesting an SRU process...
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| 18:13 | <vmlintu> alkisg: before the breaking commit the network stack initialised a random value that was used to get a random source port, but the commit caused the random value to always be 0. Because of this the port was always the same.
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| 18:13 | The patch should get in to next 3.15-rc kernel and after that to stable kernels
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> vmlintu: so, we expect that it will reach Ubuntu 14.04 some time, without us having to do anything, right?
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| 18:15 | <vmlintu> I'd imagine so, but then again I don't know how the 3.13 extended stable support works
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| 18:17 | It affected all the images we tested with 3.13 or 3.14 kernels (based on 12.10 and 14.04), so I'd guess that also others will experience the bug
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| 18:20 | alkisg: have you tried 14.04 yet?
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> vmlintu: yes, on my main systems since December
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| 18:21 | Many fixes were needed in ltsp upstream for 14.04...
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| 18:23 | <vmlintu> Have you noticed the source port bug?
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| 18:24 | <santos> I just imported a thin client from china
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| 18:24 | 2 Gb RAM
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| 18:25 | it has hdmi and vga
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| 18:25 | but I can't get it to work with hdmi. is there anyhthing that has to be done?
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> you might want to give more information about the hardware...
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| 18:27 | santos: can you boot it with a live image? i.e. USB sticks/CD/DVD ?
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| 18:27 | does it com with an os?
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| 18:27 | <santos> one sec
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| 18:28 | ok is an amd t40
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| 18:28 | no hdd
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| 18:28 | realtek gigabit network card
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> have a link to the thin client somewhere?
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| 18:29 | <santos> one sec let me see
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| 18:29 | I can see the bios and the tftp process but when is going to the graphic part
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| 18:29 | gone
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| 18:30 | I am runnng edubuntu
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| 18:31 | Using the AMD Fusion APU; Support VGA + HDMI Dual Display; Support Full HD 1080P; DirectX®11 graphics with UVD 3.0; Realtek Azalia ALC662 5.1-CH
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| 18:32 | http://www.smartcloud-china.com/index.php?app=prot&act=index
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> (09:23:03 μμ) vmlintu: Have you noticed the source port bug? ==> no, I was testing with 1-2 clients or VMs, but I haven't yet deployed it to any schools...
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| 18:33 | <santos> monitor says not support
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> Which edubuntu version?
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| 18:34 | <santos> 12.04
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| 18:34 | <alkisg> 12.04.which-point-version?
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| 18:34 | 12.04.1, .2, .3 or .4?
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| 18:34 | They have different kernels/xorgs...
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| 18:35 | (assuming edubuntu did point releases like ubuntu...)
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> santos: smc sc200 ?
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| 18:36 | <santos> mt-200
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> stgraber, highvoltage: does edubuntu do LTS point releases?
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> santos: it's got an SSD in it?
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> santos: ls $CHROOT/boot in the server will tell you...
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| 18:37 | ls /opt/ltsp/i386/boot
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| 18:37 | <santos> nop
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| 18:37 | 12.04.4
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> If it's 3.2, it's the first point release
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| 18:37 | If it's 3.5, the second, 3.8 the third, 3.11 the fourth
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| 18:37 | <stgraber> alkisg: it does, yes
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 18:37 | <vmlintu> alkisg: ok, if the nbd connection closes properly, it should not happen. And it could be that it appears only on certain types of hardware. We haven't deployed to any schools yet either, so it's hard to say..
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> santos: my chinese isn't very good, and the english site is useless
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| 18:38 | <santos> 3.2.0.23
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> santos: does it come with an OS preinstalled?
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| 18:38 | <santos> i asked to come without hdd
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> santos: then you should try installing the newer lts kernel (lts-saucy) and saucy-xorg to the chroot. You can also test with a 14.04 usb stick directly on the client.
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| 18:40 | <santos> lts saucy
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| 18:40 | let me google that
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> You're looking for something like that, inside the chroot: apt-get install --purge linux-generic-lts-saucy xserver-xorg-lts-saucy
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| 18:41 | <santos> ooook
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| 18:41 | thank u
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| 18:43 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I cannot really get into it right now, but I would like to work on the shadow issue to get screen locking working
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| 18:44 | until ltsp6
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| 18:44 | I am finally getting more into fat clients
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: simplest thing is to ensure all your screen lockers run as remoteapps
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| 18:47 | <bennabiy> what is the best way to do that?
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> simplest != best
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| 18:48 | but it should "just work"
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| 18:48 | or, not why, what ...
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| 18:49 | <bennabiy> I do not mind putting some time into it to get shadow working for each user, although I will have to get up to speed with where things are at now.
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: there are lots of ways it could be done, first just get remoteapps working
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| 18:49 | <bennabiy> what is the basic command to remoteapp a program?
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> ltsp-remoteapp
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| 18:50 | ltsp-remoteapp foo
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc: getting ldm to write a hash locally to /etc/passwd shouldn't be that hard, if one knows libc etc...
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> er, ltsp-remoteapps
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> It's not much of a security issue either, and it works with any screensaver etc
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg: uh-huh.
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> */etc/shadow
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| 18:51 | And, if we make it optional with an lts.conf var, I don't think anyone can "complain"...
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> no, it's true.
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| 18:51 | but then you'd remove a lot of the impetus for ltsp6 :P
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| 18:52 | should even be able to do it mostly with hooks, so it could be an add-on to existing ltsp installs
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| 18:52 | <bennabiy> would ldap make it work?
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| 18:52 | if I have all the users set up with ldap auth?
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> ldap could make it work, sure
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> ltsp6 does have "using pam for authentication" thoughts in its core...
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| 18:52 | <bennabiy> then nothing has to be hashed to the local instance
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> So yeah ldap, samba etc would all make it work, but without ldm of course
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| 18:53 | For ltsp 5.x though, I think removing ldm is an overkill
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> well, ldm could still work, it just wouldn't auth pam directly, it'd still auth against the server's ssh
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| 18:53 | <bennabiy> I am not at home right now, so I cannot really work on the code from here, but when I get home next week, I will pull the latest and see what I can do
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| 18:54 | <vagrantc> but for local apps, if there were ldap in the pam stack, it should work
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| 18:54 | <bennabiy> so if the server has pam_ldap auth set up then ldm would hash against that right?
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| 18:54 | <vagrantc> hash?
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| 18:55 | <bennabiy> I meant authenticate against it
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> if you set up pam_ldap on the clients, it doesn't matter what the server users
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| 18:55 | uses
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| 18:55 | though i'd recommend setting up your server to authenticate ssh using ldap ... and then you'd basically have the same authentication on both the server and client
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| 18:56 | <bennabiy> exactly
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> where you might get into trickiness is that LDM basically sets up a local user in the passwd/group/shadow stuff, so you'll have to prefer ldap to the local files
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| 18:57 | <bennabiy> that is what I meant. That if the server authenticated ssh using ldap, then ldm would authenticate using the ldap by way of the ssh auth using ldap
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| 18:57 | yes, the client would have to have the same auth prefs that the server has
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| 18:57 | well, not necessarily
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> but at least in theory, that'd work.
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| 18:58 | <bennabiy> hmm
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: how's the linuxmint support? weren't there still some more updates you wanted integrated into ltsp-trunk?
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| 18:58 | <bennabiy> I might have to try that here.
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| 18:58 | yes
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| 18:58 | I am waiting for the rc of the next LTS, and going to base my changes on that
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| 18:59 | since it will then most likely go LTS to LTS
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| 18:59 | I was encouraged that the current support made it into trusty
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| 18:59 | I was finally able to build a client from a stock install
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| 19:00 | And now that I am doing more fat clients, I should be able to flesh out that support as well
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| 19:00 | vagrantc: you ever make it out to NC?
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> wow, that'll be a while
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| 19:00 | bennabiy: i think i've been there once in my life
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| 19:00 | <bennabiy> a while? should be within a week or so
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> the next LTS?
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| 19:01 | isn't that 16.04?
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| 19:01 | i.e. two years from now
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| 19:02 | <bennabiy> no, mint is about to release its equiv of 14.04
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| 19:02 | about a month later than ubuntu release
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| 19:02 | so within the next day or two
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| 19:02 | they just said they would have an RC for me tomorrow or the next day
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| 19:03 | mint 17 is going to be the LTS, and they are going to go from LTS to LTS starting with 17
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| 19:03 | so much more stable
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| 19:03 | alkisg: how did your tests go with 17?
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I didn't do any new ones; in my last attempts it was too unstable
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| 19:11 | So I focused on getting the keyboard layout fixed in gnome/ubuntu... although I hit about 15 bugs there, 14 of them ubuntu-specific... :(
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| 19:17 | <highvoltage> hectic
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| 19:34 | <bennabiy> ouch
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| 19:34 | be back in a minute...
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| 19:41 | <Mateusss> Alguem pode me responder uma perguntinha?
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| 19:44 | <santos> tienes que traducirla a ingles mateuss
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