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Channel log from 2 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:15 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 00:26 | <elias_a> alkisg: Is your morning good in spite of ending vacation? ;-)
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| 00:27 | <alkisg> Heh :) Fortunately I won't be working for the first 2 days (sssshh) so it's a fine morning after all :D
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| 05:06 | <garymc> Hi anyone know if a PCI card can go in a PCI X slot?
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| 05:06 | <alkisg> No
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| 05:22 | <nubae_> alkisg, no u dont know , or no its not possible ;-)
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| 05:22 | :p
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| 05:22 | <garymc> it is possible
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| 05:23 | <nubae_> ah... good to know :-)
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| 05:23 | <garymc> found out... but good question nubae_
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| 05:23 | <alkisg> nubae_: how could I possibly answer to "Hi anyone know"? I wouldn't know if anyone knows :)
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| 05:24 | So yup, I don't think it's possible, since PCI-X is lane-based...
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| 05:24 | Ooops misread - sorry - ignore me
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| 07:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ping?
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 08:47 | Morning all
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| 08:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D morning
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| 08:48 | so I got cluster to start, but I think my jury rigging was not quite... proper
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Are you asking me about cluster?
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| 08:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> I'm not your man for that... stgraber is.
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| 08:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> whoops
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Or are you talking about the simple stuff that's built into ldm?
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| 08:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> you guys and your s-starting names...
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> Yeah, we're all one big anonymous amorphous mass.
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| 08:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 08:54 | stgraber: ping?
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| 10:07 | <dmarkey> does Gideon Romm hang out here atall?
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> dmarkey: Yes he does
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| 10:07 | His nick is Gadi
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| 10:07 | <dmarkey> cool
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| 10:08 | <dmarkey> on a seperate note, does python get installed in the chroot by default?
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> It should.
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| 10:08 | jetpipe relies on it.
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| 10:09 | <dmarkey> cool
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| 10:15 | * Gadi waves to dmarkey | |
| 10:15 | <Gadi> good morning, all
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> Morning gadi
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> !s
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| 10:20 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> ah... I feel like I haven't done that in a while
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| 10:20 | :)
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I'm glad you know my real name :)
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| 10:21 | must have slipped out when you got me drunk those countless times
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| 10:21 | :)
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| 10:21 | <dmarkey> Gadi: hello
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| 10:21 | you're the "rdesktop guy" , right?
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> hey!
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| 10:22 | sorta kinda
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| 10:22 | :)
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| 10:22 | how can I help?
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| 10:22 | <dmarkey> do you do usb device reditection?
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> I do
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| 10:22 | <dmarkey> have any problems with it?
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> well, we have been working some kinks out in the newest versions of the approach
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| 10:23 | have you been following the Ubuntu Wiki?
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| 10:23 | <dmarkey> no, i worked on a project about 6 months ago, LTSP + rdesktop _ USB
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| 10:23 | had some complete stalls
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> !RDP-localdev
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| 10:23 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "RDP-localdev" is when I want to use local devices in an LTSP rdesktop session. See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> that might help
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| 10:24 | thats the path we're trying to promote upstream
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| 10:24 | <dmarkey> 0.5.13 , must try that one
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| 10:24 | if you got that working you'll blow SunRay out of the water
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> yuck - sunray
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| 10:25 | <dmarkey> well, usb performance anyway
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| 10:25 | rubbish
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> I have it working great on our commercial products, but we are based on an older version of LTSP5, and I have been trying to port our approach upstream
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| 10:25 | I think on Ubuntu, the above works quite well
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| 10:26 | we were trying to iron out some issues on debian and such
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| 10:26 | <dmarkey> no stalls? usb ejection/insertion work ok?
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> sure
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| 10:26 | we use ltspfs for everything
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| 10:26 | so, you just pull it out
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| 10:26 | :)
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| 10:26 | <nubae_> Gadi, did u get my mail?
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> nubae_: I did
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| 10:27 | <nubae_> great
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> I forwarded it on to shipping
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| 10:27 | <dmarkey> cool, well rdesktop completely stalled sometimes, probably because the mount point went away
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> will let you know what they tell me
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| 10:27 | dmarkey: define stall
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| 10:28 | you mean you pull it and your session freezes?
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| 10:28 | <dmarkey> pull out, then try to navigate to the mapped drive
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| 10:28 | then a session free\e
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| 10:29 | freeze
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> what were you mapping?
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| 10:30 | <dmarkey> hmm.. cant remember, /media/root, or /root/media?
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 10:30 | let me know if it happens again
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| 10:31 | <dmarkey> this was 6 months ago mine, could be much better
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| 10:31 | mind*
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> maybe we should keep the mountpoint from being deleted
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| 10:31 | I don't think I have seen that
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| 10:31 | <dmarkey> possibly, i'll test again shortly
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> great!
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| 10:31 | <dmarkey> do you work on rdesktop itself?
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> let me know
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| 10:32 | only in a cursory way - not directly
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| 10:32 | <dmarkey> oh ok
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| 10:32 | is it stagnating slightly?
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> well, rdesktop is mostly the Cendio guys, I believe
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| 10:33 | maybe they have human resource issues
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| 10:33 | <dmarkey> it needs to catch up with the new RDP5/6 stuff
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| 10:33 | * Gadi nods | |
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| 10:33 | <dmarkey> uttsc is making good headway
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> we will most likely take a more active role in the project soon, as we are getting some pressure to implement FIPS compliance
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| 10:33 | <dmarkey> FIPS?
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| 10:34 | * dmarkey looks it up | |
| 10:34 | <Gadi> its a US gvmt security thing
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| 10:34 | <dmarkey> who's putting pressure on?
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> the US gvmt
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| 10:34 | :)
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| 10:34 | <dmarkey> on your company?
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> yeah - we sell our products into the US gvmt
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| 10:35 | and there is a growing need for FIPS compliance on everything
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| 10:35 | <dmarkey> so, thats means RDP5?
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> RDP6
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| 10:35 | RDP6 introduced added security levels
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| 10:35 | one of which is FIPS
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| 10:35 | which rdesktop does not currently support
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| 10:36 | <dmarkey> oh, you may give Cendio a big wad of cash then :)
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> its open source - we may develop it here
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| 10:36 | and contribute it back in
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| 10:36 | :)
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| 10:37 | I guess it all comes down to what's cheaper
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| 10:37 | <rjune_wrk> Gadi: fips == fubared instructions per second?
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| 10:37 | <dmarkey> yeh, improve multimedia perfromance while you're at it
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 10:38 | * Gadi starts passing the collection plate ;) | |
| 10:38 | * dmarkey puts 1c in | |
| 10:39 | * CAN-o-SPAM takes 1c out ;) | |
| 10:40 | <dmarkey> CAN-o-SPAM: do you do that at mass?
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> all right! now I can give rdesktop my 2 cents ;)
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| 10:40 | <CAN-o-SPAM> haha no no ... it's just all fun and games in here :-D
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| 10:42 | <dmarkey> Gadi: do you have any complaints about multimedia performance?
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> Multimedia is always an achilles heal of terminal server solutions. Most customers implement thin clients in areas where multimedia performance is not a requirement
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> in high security areas, sound is usually disabled entirely with the ports hot-glued, so as to prevent a listening bug from being inserted
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| 10:44 | its a completely different world
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| 10:45 | <dmarkey> oh
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> at the same time, companies like Cisco and VMWare are using gstreamer-based tricks to improve multimedia on Linux clients
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| 10:45 | <dmarkey> out pilot was in a university
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| 10:45 | our*
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> so, there are improvements being made
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| 10:45 | not always in open source
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| 10:45 | <dmarkey> sunray has good MP4 performance
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> also, multimedia in terminal services is a multi-factor problem
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| 10:46 | the local video card plays a heavy role
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| 10:46 | <dmarkey> really?
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> most definitely
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| 10:46 | <dmarkey> since when?
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> a good local video card can make a night-and-day difference in multimedia
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| 10:47 | with proper drivers
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| 10:47 | since always
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| 10:47 | a thin client still needs to render the video
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| 10:47 | <dmarkey> i never thought it was even called
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| 10:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> I testing out Karmic. Is there any intention of using via's proprietary video drivers for their chipsets?
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> by local I mean local to the client
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| 10:48 | dmarkey - run this experiment
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| 10:48 | run rdesktop on a thin client
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| 10:48 | in the session, play a video full screen
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| 10:48 | then, open another window with, say, Notepad
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| 10:49 | and cover half the screen with it
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: No idea. They may not be allowing anyone to distribute them
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> so only half of the video is showing
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> I was under the impression that the OpenChrome drivers were better anyway.
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> you will notice that the half that is showing gets an immediate performance boost
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| 10:49 | that is because less of the image is changing
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| 10:50 | which means that X has less to update
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| 10:50 | <dmarkey> yes
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| 10:50 | oh
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| 10:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: the via drivers are the only ones capable of handling dual-monitor output
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> and so it can update it faster
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| 10:50 | <dmarkey> so completely server independant
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> not completely
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| 10:50 | its multifactor
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| 10:51 | because windows allocates memory to buffer the images
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| 10:51 | but, the bottleneck is usually the network, the protocol, the amount of data going down to the client, and then the speed with which X can render it
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| 10:52 | with proper drivers and a good chipset, you can greatly reduce the rendering bottleneck
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| 10:52 | and we haven't even started talking about audio
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| 10:52 | :)
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| 10:52 | <dmarkey> yea
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| 10:52 | sunray now renders MP4 localy on the client
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> we had an intern here that ran a whole bunch of tests on the subject
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| 10:53 | I should dig up his results
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| 10:53 | <dmarkey> Gadi: that would be good
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> right - as does Citrix and VMWare
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| 10:53 | using gstreamer
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| 10:53 | and the proper client-side codecs
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| 10:53 | you'll find the protocol guys always follow the same tricks ;)
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| 10:53 | <dmarkey> im sure we could coerce VLC into doing what we want
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> nah- gstreamer's a better approach
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| 10:54 | <dmarkey> is that not proprietory?
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> gstreamer? no
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| 10:54 | gstreamer's open and shipped with every distro
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> the plugin to make it use the codecs is usually proprietary
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| 10:55 | :)
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| 10:55 | <dmarkey> oh
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> but, since everybody's doing it - it can't be too hard
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| 10:55 | <dmarkey> so, what would sit on the c lient side
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> gstreamer libs
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| 10:55 | and codecs for the video formats
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| 10:55 | (which may also be proprietary)
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| 10:56 | <dmarkey> ok, and, rdesktop would hook into the libs?
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> yup
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| 10:56 | through a vitual channel
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| 10:56 | *virtual
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| 10:56 | same mechanism used for localdev and smart cards
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| 10:57 | <dmarkey> cool
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| 11:00 | <dmarkey> how about flash
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> I think flash is a different beast on any distro
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| 11:01 | <dmarkey> can that be decoded client side?
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> I'm not sure
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| 11:01 | <dmarkey> the sunray beta has "improvements" in that area
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> most flash, though, tends to be small and web-based rather than fullscreeen
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| 11:02 | so, on a proper network with good clients, it may not be as bad - but it is still a harder nut to crack
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| 11:02 | that's why we created Local Apps
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| 11:02 | :)
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| 11:02 | something a SunRay cant do
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| 11:03 | <dmarkey> maybe you could use npviewer
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| 11:04 | <Gadi> maybe - brb
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| 11:21 | <nubae> Hey Gadi, how long u think it'll take for those things to get here?
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> prolly depends on how they're shipped
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| 11:23 | I'll know more when I get a response
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| 11:23 | <nubae> yeah, so might expect a week or so I guess
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| 11:23 | ok
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| 11:24 | * nubae is itching to show this can work | |
| 11:24 | <nubae> can imagine just under a million units running with this?
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| 11:25 | oh... I have some pics of the current (old) desktop/net setup
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| 11:27 | <dmarkey> Gadi: done any terminal server scaling tests?
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| 11:31 | sessions per core, etc
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| 11:34 | <nubae> http://speeches.ofset.org/jrfernandez/2009/ginebra_glx/#%2827%29
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| 11:34 | that building in thre is where I work
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> sorry - business keeps getting in the way of good chatting :)
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| 11:34 | dmarkey: if you're talking WTS, microsoft has plenty of scaling docs
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| 11:34 | in the end, it's a black art, much like desktop scaling
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| 11:35 | <dmarkey> really? where
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> microsoft.com
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| 11:35 | <dmarkey> :)
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> wow - can't believe I posted that in #ltsp
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| 11:35 | I think the chatroom might implode
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| 11:35 | <dmarkey> in our project, we switched to chrome, big difference
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| 11:35 | <nubae> if u keep clicking forwards in that presentation u can see the classrooms
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| 11:36 | strangely enough, there is mention of thin clients (clientes ligeros) even though we have non
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| 11:37 | by 2012 every school in Andalucia must be run by us :-)
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> cool! imagine the aliens you guys will meet when you install seti@home
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| 11:39 | <nubae> We still get cases where some headmaster's son has told him ubuntu is that unreliable crappy software that poor people run, and have gone and installed unlicensed windows on every computer in their school.
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| 11:40 | there was recently an article in a newspaper here where some guy got fired because he had ubuntu on his laptop he used for work
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| 11:40 | but get this, it was his own laptop
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> Is that for real? Any links?
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| 11:41 | <nubae> and the reason was his boss had gone home one evening and talked to the family about how work was, mentioning this crazy ubuntu thing one of his employees was running
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| 11:41 | yep, I'll pass it to u in a sec, though its in Spanish
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| 11:42 | The boss's 15 year old son said
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| 11:42 | ah... ubuntu is unreliable, crashes all the time and can easily loose data
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> Heh... and that cost him his job? On his own laptop?!!!
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| 11:43 | <nubae> so the boss, worrying, understandably, about his company's data told the user to either stop using Ubuntu and put a proper operating system that didnt destroy data on it
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| 11:43 | or else
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| 11:43 | imagine...
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> sounds like a target market for all the Linux distros that make the desktop look like a Windows desktop
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| 11:44 | :)
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| 11:44 | <nubae> the worrying thing about this story is the reason why...
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| 11:44 | and its surely because to the 15 year old boy, since it wont run direct X 10
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| 11:44 | and crysis
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| 11:44 | its unreliable, looses data, etc etc
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> Yeah and he heard it from a reliable source, someone at a forum.. :(
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| 11:44 | <nubae> now let me go get the link
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| 11:45 | or an uncle who'se friend works for microsoft
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| 11:46 | * alkisg thinks it's unbelievable that noone yet created a GUI for mass user importing/creating... | |
| 11:47 | <sbalneav> GNU/Linux will never, ever get anywhere trying to mimic windows. It's either going to have to stand on it's own merits, or die on the vine.
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| 11:47 | alkisg: They have.
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| 11:47 | /bin/sh
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| 11:47 | /usr/bin/awk
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> Where?!!! Grrrrr :(
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> etc :)
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| 11:47 | <nubae> http://www.xeduced.com/2009/08/26/despedido-por-negarse-a-desinstalar-linux/
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| 11:47 | run it through google translate or something
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> Yeah I know sudo vi /etc/passwd is all I need :)
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| 11:47 | Ty nubae
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> Well, what are you going to use as the source document?
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> E.g. a .csv file
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> Formatted how?
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> *It's not for me* it's for other teachers that ask about this
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| 11:48 | It shouldn't matter - the GUI should have an option to rearrange columns...
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| 11:49 | <nubae> sbalneav: die in vine (is that like a mix between vain and the program wine)?
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> And how do you generate usernames from persons names?
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| 11:49 | <nubae> cuase that almost makes sense :-) (grin)
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> No, die on the vine, like grapes.
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> That should also be done automatically :) and enable the user to edit them before the user creation, if desired
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| 11:49 | There's a perl module that generates usernames from real names. But nothing with a gui...
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> Really? So everyone in the world should use MY userid method that I user here at legalaid? 5 character serids?
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| 11:50 | See the problem?
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| 11:50 | <nubae> right... I'm still looking at the pun of it... ok... maybe that was just too far fetched....
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> No, the perl module has a lot of options there for every admin
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| 11:50 | Those should be exposed in the gui settings
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> There's about 50,000 ways you could do it all "automatically"
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| 11:50 | Every site's got their own policy.
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> Sure, but if e.g. 10 of them were satisfied, the other, "weird old guys" could do it manually :)
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| 11:51 | * alkisg ducks to avoid the cane | |
| 11:51 | <sbalneav> So, write one. What's stopping you?
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> time :(
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| 11:51 | * nubae looks at the temperature gauge outside, sees its a 43, and rules out leaving the house... | |
| 11:51 | <sbalneav> Awwwwwwwwww
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| 11:51 | No sympathy from me WHATSOEVER
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| 11:51 | <nubae> 43 celcius
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| 11:52 | * alkisg hugs good-old sbalneav :) | |
| 11:52 | <alkisg> (which is about the same as me, I imagine... :))
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> Suck it up buttercup: you want it, YOU write it. :)
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> *age
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> Write me up a spec.
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| 11:53 | <nubae> so did u guys read the article?
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> I can hammer together something for you in python and glade.
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| 11:53 | <nubae> someone should actually post that to slashdot or something
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| 11:53 | its pretty newsworthy in English
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> I'm haveing to learn it to add group appy to Sabayon anyway.
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| 11:54 | Which, BTW, I've started.
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> Nah, I'll do it along with the user manager I'm imagining, in pygtk/glade etc. But I'd really appreciate it if you could help in the first steps there, cause I'm a newbie to pygtk
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> I'm a newb too, but I'll gladly give you a hand.
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| 11:55 | <nubae> pygtk is soooo easy
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| 11:55 | is lovely
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| 11:55 | <sbalneav> If anyone's interested:
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| 11:55 | http://github.com/sbalneav/sabayon/tree/master
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| 11:55 | They can follow group apply progress in my sabayon branch
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| 11:56 | <nubae> it allows people who know very little about oop to code anyway (like me)
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> That's a branch of the upstream repo. So it won't build "out of the box" on anything. Some twiddling needed.
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| 11:57 | <ogra> sbalneav, you are aware that all upstream branches of gnome SW are mirrored into bzr on LP ?
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| 11:57 | https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/sabayon/main
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| 11:58 | https://code.launchpad.net/sabayon might be intresting too
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> No, I wasn't, but federico upstream asked that if I was going to have my own branch, it be in git.
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| 11:59 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:59 | poor you
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| 11:59 | <sbalneav> Not really.
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| 12:00 | <ogra> git is the worst fucked up crap i ever had to use
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> I'm equally bad at bzr as I am at git. So I'm equally confused in both :)
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| 12:00 | <ogra> and i still have to from time to time
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> here we go...
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| 12:00 | <nubae> what???
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| 12:00 | git rocks
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Gadi: What's the right term? Oy Vey?
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| 12:01 | <nubae> ogra: why dont u like it?
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| 12:01 | <ogra> git lives under rocks probably :)
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| 12:01 | because its unusable ?
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> sbalneav: you bring tears to my eyes
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| 12:02 | <nubae> bah... that's not a real reason... clearly lots of people use and like it, so u must have some other more profound dislike of it
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| 12:02 | <ogra> nubae, if i want to do any slightly advanced thing with it, i have to learn latin, the secret git users handshake and spend a month of reading contradicting docs online
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> perhaps he resent software with derogatory names: git, gimp, ...
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| 12:03 | <nubae> :-) ok yeah its a bit complex
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| 12:03 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:03 | complex is a very friendly word ... i have a lot others
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| 12:03 | * Gadi looks forward to using schmuck and bastard | |
| 12:03 | <ogra> haha
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| 12:03 | <nubae> but for a supercow like yourself u'd think it would have a certain appeal
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| 12:04 | <ogra> no, i was asked several times to help out with kernel stuff
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| 12:04 | i had very good patches etc
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| 12:04 | but i completely refuse to use git... so i'll never become a kernel guy
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> I hope that doesn't make you a git?
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| 12:05 | <ogra> try something simple like "bzr push $ssh_server/branchname" with git
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| 12:05 | <nubae> so what was it thast specifically made u dislike it?
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| 12:05 | <ogra> or try to find out how to do that :)
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| 12:05 | <nubae> git add * then git commit -m "this was my upload"
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| 12:06 | <ogra> doesnt work
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| 12:06 | <nubae> but more complex stuff like creating sub branches and stuff I dont do
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| 12:06 | <ogra> that above stuff wouldnt upload it to a ssh server holding a webdir others can branch from
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| 12:07 | <nubae> I use git.sugarlabs.org quite a bit, nad haven't gotten too upset with it yet
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| 12:07 | <sbalneav> OK, heading out for lunch. Here's hoping that when ogra and nubae get done with their git vs bzr battle , we can move on to vi vs emacs.
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| 12:07 | <ogra> heh, no i'm done
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| 12:07 | <nubae> well anyone can just clone a branch... and work from that, not sure what u wanna do
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| 12:07 | <ogra> i know there is no way to do what i want with git and that i wont spend the year it needs to even remotely understand it ...
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| 12:08 | <nubae> ok, u know better than I, I am a newbie with all of this, I just didnt get such a negative vibe from it
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| 12:08 | <ogra> i wasted enough time on reading docs about it for months and still didnt get it to do what i want (easy tasks with bzr)
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| 12:08 | so if nubae is happy with it, be it ... i wont touch it :)
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| 12:09 | nubae, it simply annoys me massively if a tool stands in my way and stops me from doing my work
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| 12:09 | <nubae> of course, I get that
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| 12:10 | bzr is indeed nice, but probably has a similar learning curve for a newbie
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| 12:10 | <ogra> if i have to use it today i ask the person that made me use it for the exact runes
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| 12:10 | very simple :)
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| 12:11 | usually that ends up in like 20 different commands i have to type in whilke bzr would have one i even understand from its meaning :)
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| 12:11 | i like to be a magican but i want my spells to be memorizable ;)
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| 12:17 | <nubae> why is it, that after so many years, it is still so hard to get binary ati or nvidia drivers to work on Ubuntu?
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| 12:19 | <ogra> ??
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| 12:19 | you mark the checkbox, wait a moment, reboot and be done ?
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| 12:19 | <nubae> yeah if only
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| 12:20 | * ogra hasnt seen it work more complicated on ubuntu-desktop since yeras | |
| 12:20 | <nubae> I have 2 options in hardware drivers, nvidia 173, and nvidia 185 (recommended)
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| 12:20 | <ogra> *years
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| 12:20 | <nubae> neither are enabled
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| 12:20 | <ogra> use the recommended one
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| 12:20 | <nubae> I try to enable one
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| 12:21 | <ogra> i wonder why you have two though
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| 12:21 | <nubae> it says its done what it should, but nothing changes
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| 12:21 | I restart
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| 12:21 | nothing changes
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| 12:21 | <ogra> thats a default install, no tweaks, foreign software sources etc ?
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| 12:21 | <nubae> This was from a totally fresh install
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| 12:21 | but it is karmic
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| 12:21 | <ogra> strange
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| 12:21 | heh
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| 12:21 | dont expect it to work on development releases at all
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| 12:21 | <nubae> maybe something with karmic's X?
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| 12:22 | yeah I know, I always run into this problem
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| 12:22 | <ogra> the kernel is in total flux, nobody cares for the binary drivers before kernel freeze
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| 12:22 | <nubae> have to compile modules by hand
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| 12:22 | ok..
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| 12:22 | I thought kernel freeze already happened
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> nubae: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure dkms from the command line to see what happens
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| 12:23 | <nubae> ah well, virtualbox has similar issues
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| 12:23 | u reminded me with the dkms command
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| 12:23 | * Running DKMS auto installation service for kernel 2.6.31-8-server * nvidia (185.18.36)... [fail]
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| 12:24 | <nubae> its like ogra says...
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| 12:24 | gonna have to manually compile modules
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> or downgrade your kernel a little
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| 12:24 | <ogra> wont work either i guess
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| 12:24 | dkms is only doing what you would do by hand anyway
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| 12:24 | <nubae> nope downgrading kernel I've tried
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> I think I'm ok now with nvidia and 2.6.31-9.29
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| 12:25 | <ogra> i'm pretty sure nvidia didnt release anything for a pre-release kernel
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| 12:25 | alkisg, using -server or -generic ?
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| 12:26 | if it works its a matter of luck, usually nvidia only releases drivers for released kernels, .31 isnt released
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| 12:26 | <nubae> well if u are ok with a later kernel...
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| 12:26 | then whats with mine?
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> -generic - but I've been updating my karmic partition with chroot apt-get dist-upgrade, and I haven't booted it for some weeks, so maybe an older kernel used to work
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| 12:26 | Yeah it only works half of the time. 1 week working, the next not working etc
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| 12:27 | nouveau and vbox drivers weren't better, either...
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| 12:28 | <nubae> vbox in the repo is ancient anyway
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| 12:28 | <ogra> could very well be that the -server kernel lacks the right DRI settings
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| 12:28 | <nubae> also I'm on 64 bit
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| 12:29 | <ogra> -generic has PAE enabled in karmic, no need to use the -server one explicitly, unless you have 64 CPUs or 10TB or RAM
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> Ah. I don't know why, but I *never* used an 64bit os!
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| 12:29 | <ogra> yeah, 64bit might play a role as well
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> "-generic has PAE enabled in karmic" ==> nice news :)
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| 12:33 | When creating a user, what are the "correct" default groups to add him to?
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> users-admin uses different defaults from adduser
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| 12:35 | <ogra> and the debian-installer user-setup has the list :)
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| 12:36 | <ogra> (i dont know the list from the top of my head, look at the source)
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> Sure, but would *that* be the correct list?
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| 12:36 | <ogra> thats the default list used by d-i and ubiquity
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| 12:37 | adduser should usually be updated alongside these two though
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> I think d-i creates "admins" though, not "desktop users" (using the terminology that users-admin uses)
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| 12:37 | <ogra> that only differs in a single group
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> So they can use "sudo", they can create network connections etc
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| 12:38 | users-admin even references some groups that don't exist anymore
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| 12:38 | <ogra> might be
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| 12:41 | i see: adm dialout fax cdrom tape audio dip video plugdev scanner fuse
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| 12:41 | looks ok to me
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| 12:50 | <nubae> man... ubuntu really has an antiquated user management system
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| 12:51 | <ogra> adduser ?
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| 12:52 | <nubae> if you compare it to Fedora or opensuse, makes u wonder what they're doing
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| 12:52 | <ogra> invent something better :)
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| 12:52 | <nubae> talking about the gui
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| 12:52 | <ogra> we looked at fedoras
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| 12:52 | and the UI team didnt find it feasable
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| 12:52 | <nubae> and associated tools to adduser
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| 12:52 | how come?
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| 12:52 | <ogra> usability
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| 12:53 | they do thousands of usability tests
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| 12:53 | with computer illiterate users
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| 12:53 | <nubae> well, true, if u have no user management its bound to be easier :p
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| 12:53 | <ogra> and while they agree with you there is nothing better yet
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| 12:53 | so they went the "sucks least" route
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| 12:54 | we have a design team since a year, i guess they'll get to that too at some point
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| 12:54 | <nubae> yeah lets hope some opensource shizz makes something awsome
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| 12:54 | <ogra> working hand in hand with the usability guys doing upstream work of new apps
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| 12:54 | <nubae> whizz even
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| 12:54 | not shizz
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| 12:54 | lol
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| 12:55 | <ogra> look at karmics UNR .. the desing team spent most of their time implementing stuff for it this cycle
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| 12:55 | plus the new splashless boot that will come in karmic
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| 12:56 | <nubae> karmic seems to have a ton of new stuff
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> splashless?
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| 12:57 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, no usplash anymore (apart from the poor slow arches like armel)
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| 12:58 | there are new splashes where you had black screens before though
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| 12:58 | <nubae> btw.,... I created this educational app, am just uploading to launchpad, anyone care to try it out ant tell me what they think?
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| 12:59 | <ogra> vagrantc, i have seen the new bootprocess ... if you boot in 10-15sec usplash totally isnt needed
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| 13:00 | <nubae> oh, u can import a git repo into launchpad, neato
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| 13:00 | * vagrantc has never been happy with most splash implementations | |
| 13:00 | <ogra> there is the new xsplash ...
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| 13:00 | its hooks in where X shows the black screen usually
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> which, on a really fast boot, should be good enough
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| 13:01 | <ogra> so the future bootprocess of ubuntu will be like: 5s initrmafs and kernel ... X comes up then ... Xsplash until gdm
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| 13:13 | <bieb> CAN-o-SPAM: you here?
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| 13:16 | <pem725> how would I setup a cli application to be a local app? I need the blackberry charger program bcharge available on my clients.
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| 13:16 | the local app needs access to the usb ports.
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> If it doesn't have a .desktop file, you'd need to create one, but other than that, why would it be different from other local apps?
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| 13:19 | <pem725> I don't know. I did apt-get in the chroot but it does not recognize any plugged in usb device - particularly a blackberry.
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| 13:20 | perhaps it is something about accessing the local usb ports that is hanging it up.
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| 13:22 | <lns_> Has anyone thought of implementing ddns directly into distros' ltsp setup? Or would this be considered outside the scope entirely?
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> No, and no
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| 13:24 | If someone wants to implement Dynamic DNS, I could see it being useful for some people.
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| 13:26 | <lns_> I definitely think it would be good to have as default.. would save in having to do static dhcp assignments, which still only give you the IP without having to mess with hosts/dns on another level..hmm
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| 13:26 | anyway...how's everyone doing
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| 13:27 | <nubae> I take it this is why u aren't too happy with git or kernel work: There’s one significant limitation in this public beta: it won’t yet import Linux kernel branches. Jelmer, who has done much of the work on bzr-git, explains:
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| 13:30 | can someone please let me know how I'm doing with my python edu app, its just the admin interface right now to create the edu quizzes, but should works quite well... need to get it with git right now though, as I figure out how to gitorize launchpas with git-bzr
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| 13:31 | git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/pyclic/mainline.git
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| 13:31 | pretty please take a look at let me know
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| 13:31 | its worth a look... really...
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| 13:31 | it is
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| 13:31 | :-)
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| 13:32 | <lns_> nubae: i would if i were versed in git :) maybe you can assist
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> lns_: I wouldn't want it as default.
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| 13:33 | <nubae> just run the command as above
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| 13:33 | nothing else needed
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| 13:33 | that just pulls down the files
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| 13:33 | <lns_> nubae: no compiling?
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| 13:33 | * lns_ is an svn n00b ;) | |
| 13:34 | <lns_> ah - which python do i run?
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| 13:34 | <nubae> to install git sudo apt-get install git-core
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| 13:35 | <lns_> nubae: already done
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| 13:35 | <nubae> just python pyclic.py
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| 13:35 | <lns_> k
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| 13:35 | ooooo
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| 13:35 | :)
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| 13:35 | <nubae> I guess I should have uploaded an example... I have neat one of the solar system
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| 13:35 | anyway, please tell me whats obvious, what isnt, etc etc
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| 13:37 | <lns_> nubae: at first i hit the open icon thinking i'd be opening an image..but it wanted PyClicCommon files..
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| 13:37 | (since opening an image is step 1)
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| 13:37 | <nubae> the user part is (kinda obviously) the inverse of this... where the user gets the quiz and needs to fill in the labels... but its collaborative, kind of like in a quiz show, where each contestant is given a go, or can make ask for a hint
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| 13:37 | ok.... I need to say what menu... good point
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| 13:37 | the image toolbar button isn't obvious enough either?
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| 13:38 | <lns_> nubae: tooltips for the iconbar would be good
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| 13:38 | not really
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| 13:38 | i went to options -> open image to realize where to go
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| 13:38 | <nubae> heh lol.... I thought the pape with a head on it might symbolize pic
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| 13:38 | but there is no generic icon for that
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| 13:38 | ok...
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| 13:38 | <lns_> tooltips :)
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| 13:38 | <nubae> well that way is also allowed :p
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| 13:39 | oh yeah... only pngs
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| 13:39 | I guess that isnt obvious either
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| 13:39 | <lns_> that would be an issue for many
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| 13:39 | unfortunately png isn't widely used by people
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| 13:39 | luckily i have many ;)
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| 13:39 | what is 'select color' for?
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| 13:40 | <nubae> oh right... but in this case the person is gonna have to use a paint program
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| 13:40 | and all paint programs on linux use png prolifically
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| 13:40 | no?
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| 13:40 | u'll see
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| 13:40 | but yes, needs to be defined...
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| 13:40 | I'm writing all thjis down, keep em coming
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| 13:42 | <lns_> k
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| 13:42 | I am *very* verbose about this kinda stuff so i hope i odn't annoy you ;)
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| 13:42 | <nubae> not at all
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| 13:42 | u are a great usability person
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| 13:42 | <lns_> Maybe a button that changes mouse cursor for selecting points on the image..like a crosshair or something
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| 13:43 | <nubae> u already caught various items I woulndt have clicked on
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| 13:43 | <lns_> i know it 'just works' but the arrow might be confusing for some
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| 13:43 | <nubae> no pun intended
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| 13:43 | <lns_> ;)
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| 13:43 | <nubae> yes very true... can gtk do that?
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| 13:43 | I guess so
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| 13:43 | <lns_> and maybe if you hit <enter> after putting in the name of each number, it will gray out and/or show that it is entered?
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| 13:43 | dunno
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| 13:44 | i'm planning on starting to learn some python for user interfaces for tcm...but it'll be a while before i can answer questions :)
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| 13:44 | <nubae> just gonna step out to get a coke... bias... keep it coming
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| 13:45 | <lns_> hmm, the 'save quiz' part doesn't seem to save anything
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| 13:46 | nubae: hitting 'save' icon does nothing, going file -> save quiz gives console error: TypeError: save_details() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)
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| 13:47 | oh the color changes the dots
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| 13:47 | ;)
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| 13:47 | <lns_> about pyclic: "....similar to Jclic but writte in python" ;)
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| 13:48 | maybe a confirmation dialogue when clearing everything...would suck to have to enter everything in again if you hit it on accident ;)
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| 13:49 | also, maybe either an auto extention adder if someone doesn't make it a .pyclic file (i just named mine "test" and went back in to open it, it couldn't find it because the file selector only looks for .pyclic files)
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| 13:50 | or just make the open dialogue look for all files..i like the first suggestion better thou
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| 13:50 | looks like the 'submit' button is the only thing that actually saves the projects
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| 13:50 | looks good !!! =)
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| 13:50 | I like it
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| 13:51 | * nubae is back | |
| 13:51 | <nubae> lns it saves a xml file
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| 13:51 | u just dont get confirmation yet
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| 13:52 | yeah no fine tuning done at all yet
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| 13:52 | first wanted to get usability out the way
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| 13:52 | u saying save doesnt work?
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| 13:53 | <lns_> yeah, just submit button i think...when i open an image, label some stuff, and hit save icon or file -> save it does nothing
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| 13:53 | but submit works
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| 13:53 | <nubae> oh, toolbar works too
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| 13:53 | u know I never tested the menu way
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| 13:53 | heh
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| 13:54 | <lns_> ;)
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| 13:54 | <nubae> well there is also a newer version at the office which has some fixes.. like I had to choose a non used extension
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| 13:55 | so I used .gpc = guadalinex py clic, but maybe gpx is better, guadalinex pyclic xml
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| 13:55 | whacha think?
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| 13:55 | also extremely cool is, images get automagically sized and everything is saved in xml, even image bit64 encoded
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| 13:55 | <lns_> probably something that parallels the pgm name
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| 13:56 | that's awesome =)
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| 13:56 | makes it easy to transport!
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| 13:56 | <nubae> yeah did that so can make online repo, xmpp bot repo
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| 13:56 | exactly!
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| 13:56 | and I think its so simple and fast, teachers would accept its simplictiy, right?
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| 13:57 | * lns_ is already tired of this koolu tc...amd lx is sloooooow | |
| 13:57 | <lns_> nubae: I think so..just give lots of help in the pgm
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| 13:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: did you ever get ltsp-cluster working properly in a non-NX environment?
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| 13:57 | <lns_> another thing i was wondering, is what about spelling the labels in the quiz? is there any kind of general pattern matching so if someone misspells / capslock is on/etc..?
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| 13:57 | <nubae> yeah I can see that is key...what do u think of the idea of an image as main this is how u do it?
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| 13:58 | well, that was the question, do I limit it to just correctness of the label, or spelling too
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| 13:59 | but yes, caps or not , it will reajust and accept any answer thoguh that is really up to the teacher
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| 13:59 | its possible he wants kids to know when things should be capitalised and when not
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| 13:59 | ie... town names
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| 14:00 | vs... ordinary objects, cat dog, etc...
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| 14:00 | also should I put a recommended age in there too for quizzes?
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| 14:00 | or ony for the online repo
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| 14:01 | (thinking of simplicity)
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| 14:01 | let me tell u what happens from the front end, where evertyhgin except collaboration is now working...
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| 14:02 | user opens up, chooses category + quiz (linked of course)
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| 14:02 | then sets app to single user or multi
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| 14:02 | if he sets to multi there are 15-30 secs for others to join in
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| 14:03 | when they do, u get a litst of avatars with tooltips as theri name or initials
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| 14:06 | then the game/quiz begins sequentuiallly (or shoudl it be an option) like be able to choose which one to start with
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| 14:06 | the user makes a guess, passes or asks for a hint, which randomly shows a character
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| 14:06 | correct answer give 25 points, wrong answer -25 and hint costs -15
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| 14:07 | after user attempts firt nu7mber, passes on to next kid
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| 14:08 | who has same options, and this goes rouhd till all have been filled in, and someone wins...
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| 14:09 | _UsUrPeR_: no, but spoke to strattog, he's working on fixes
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| 14:10 | a typ eo highscore is saved.... perhaos ina speperate xml save d on teacher machine,i or ith corresponding pemission
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| 14:11 | so from the top...go thoguh again so I can track this sll
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| 14:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: k, cool
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| 14:15 | <lns_> nubae: sorry..afk
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| 14:16 | nubae: re: spelling/caps, giving the choice would be best.
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| 14:16 | i can see use cases for both
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| 14:17 | nubae: wow, those are some awesome ideas
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| 14:18 | <strattog> nubae: i'm working on what?
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| 14:18 | <lns_> specially multiuser quiz 'battles'.. that is absolute gold these days. we need more multi-user 'game' type things like this, it gets them so involved
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| 14:18 | all kids are playing multiplayer games online these days, it needs to be adapted to education
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| 14:18 | they'll eat it up!
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| 14:19 | <nubae> i seyep... and xmpp makes it easy, they are already indoctrinated by tv so theyll get it
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| 14:19 | <lns_> so will the teachers
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| 14:19 | <nubae> yep... os we'r eagrement there... idea wokrs... I was thinking even for toddles
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| 14:19 | isntead of filling in stuff, they just drag answer to objects
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| 14:20 | like th old pin the tail on teh donkey
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| 14:21 | other users: languaes...
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| 14:21 | <lns_> sure, that'd be a cool option
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| 14:21 | <nubae> trnsaltes the objects
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| 14:21 | so we have uses:
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| 14:21 | name the object
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| 14:21 | spell the object
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| 14:22 | spead type the object (doable???) dunno
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| 14:24 | <lns_> you've got a good little program started :) remember to keep it simple but obvious as to how to use it, and it will be very popular i think :)
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| 14:25 | but think about if you're going to be able to support other file formats..that's a big roadblock imho
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| 14:25 | (image)
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| 14:27 | <nubae> the probnelm is cairo only accept generatng imges from .png
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| 14:28 | I might, be able to add a converter o imag eupload
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| 14:28 | whatcha think?
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| 14:29 | or is that adding unneccesary complexity?
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| 14:30 | I''ll upload pyclic-user tomorrow
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| 14:30 | great thing is, I already started to use it to generate a repo of content
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| 14:31 | and if others do the same, we auto upload (or wsitch it even) linux-for-education .org
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| 14:33 | so... usability wise,its quite simple,,, what eslse needs doin g on athat end
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| 14:33 | <lns_> nubae: if you can make the converter transparent to the user, then i would say that is good.
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| 14:34 | <nubae> also... mutlilanguage...I use pango de renderok, transparent how, they upload image, it autochanges to png?
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| 14:36 | <nubae> mulit-lingo Spanish, English, German to begin
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| 14:41 | <nubae> anohter things... categories... I pulled that mostñl out of my behind. need a more related to real life
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| 14:43 | <lns_> nubae: yes, autochange img to png
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| 14:43 | <nubae> anway....lnssont hld back
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| 14:43 | shit that was supposed to say lns dont hold back
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| 14:44 | <lns_> heh..i'm out for a bit, picking up a wifi card. that's about all the ammo i have for you right now, when you get the newer version pushed i'll download and check it out
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| 14:44 | having a help file will really be good though, too
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| 14:44 | even the simplest of programs need help files for those who rely on it
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| 14:45 | <nubae> ok... I can do some serios uubdaptes... is there a day u could throw this at teachers?
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| 14:45 | get some inpit
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| 14:46 | <lns_> possibly, i want to test it more myself before we take their time thou
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| 14:46 | <lns_> heh...wife musta suspended the system at home
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| 14:46 | <kawan> Hello Alkisg, how are around ?
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| 14:46 | <nubae> thanks so mcuh
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> hey kawan
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| 14:47 | <lns_> nubae: anytime =) always willing to help wherever i can
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> I saw your mail, but I didn't have a chance to look at what you did. You said that the script isn't working?
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| 14:47 | <nubae> but the idea is sound eh... the collaboration will be killer... should be one of first app to use telepathz¡¡y fraemwoekd to connect
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| 14:48 | well to collaborate as such
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| 14:48 | <kawan> Sorry to bother you again. I sent you a mail last night with the grubgpxe.img I managed to create
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| 14:48 | <nubae> as a game... what do u think about keeping scores
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> kawan: I think you're missing a `set filename /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz` directive there - it might be necessary, I'm not sure
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| 14:49 | <kawan> ok. I'll have a go.
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> kawan: otherwise, why would it try to load pxelinux.0 again? :-/
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> kawan: try it from the command line first (ctrl+b at the gpxe prompt)
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| 14:50 | <nubae> so that if there is aa full repo, students can go through differetn excercises and have a wal of conquests medals
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| 14:50 | something that could be used for further gmaes based on the same framework
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| 14:53 | <kawan> alkisg: it works fine from the command line (ctrl+b at the gpxe prompt)
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> OK. Try it with the image now
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| 14:53 | * alkisg hopes kawan has a rw cd :) | |
| 14:54 | <kawan> I do indeed....
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| 15:00 | <kawan> alkisg, I tried after adding set filename /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz in the gpxe.txt file...
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| 15:00 | Same story.
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> kawan: can you upload your gpxe.txt to pastebot.ltsp.org ?
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| 15:01 | <kawan> ok
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| 15:02 | <ltsppbot> "kawan" pasted "gpxe.txt" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/498
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> kawan: those two lines need to be reversed:
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| 15:03 | set filename /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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| 15:03 | dhcp net0
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| 15:03 | should be
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| 15:03 | dhcp net0
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| 15:03 | set filename /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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| 15:03 | <kawan> ok
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| 15:05 | <nubae> a great way to hied easter eggs too, like free tshirt guadalinex mercaaahdind
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| 15:08 | <kawan> alkisg: same behavior.
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> kawan: I can't imaging what would be wrong....
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| 15:09 | Maybe you should ask in #etherboot
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| 15:09 | I'll go there now to tell andytim that you're using his patch
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| 15:09 | <kawan> OK. You have done a lot. Thanks
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> Ah, andytim's not there
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| 15:10 | <kawan> I'll keep you posted, if I find a solution
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> kawan: if you want, send me a mail tomorrow to remind me, I'll have some time then to actually try it, so I can send you the resulting image.
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| 15:13 | <kawan> alkisg: Ok I will. See you later.
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Bye
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| 15:15 | <kawan> Bye. Have a good night
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| 15:59 | <tstafford_> so uh
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| 15:59 | oops wrong channel :)
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| 16:34 | <jkenney_> I am having a problem where for some reason my LTSP clients are mapping the desktop to the home directory
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| 16:34 | if i create a folder in /home/user/ it shows on the desktop
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| 16:34 | is there a easy fix for this
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| 16:35 | i deployed it and its causing problems
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| 16:35 | for me
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> jkenney_: there's a gconf setting for this, did you set it?
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| 16:43 | (default == off, though....)
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| 16:44 | <jkenney_> no
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| 16:44 | what does that doo
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| 16:44 | does that map
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| 16:44 | where is it in .gconf
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| 16:45 | <ogra> /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir
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| 16:45 | make sure thats off
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> jkenney_: I've also seen that happen when there's no $HOME/Desktop dir, or when it's supposed to be in a localized dir and it isn't.
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| 18:09 | <jkenney_> Yeah thats what it was alkisg
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| 18:09 | sorry i was deep in it
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