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15:42 | <callan> hi folks, i've got an LTSP network up and running. I have a sensitive simulation program that everyone needs to pass an input file to, and receive an output file from. However, it's been requested that users not be able to copy out the binary in question.
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15:43 | is it possible to say, install the program on the server instead of in the image, and somehow write a script to send files in and out?
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16:31 | <fiesh> callan: I don't understand, why don't you just remove the read permission from the binary?
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16:36 | <callan> fiesh: it's my understanding that there are a number of ways around that such as a debugger. Personally I think the read permission is enough, but I've been asked to look for a more complete solution.
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16:37 | My idea is this: users put their input into a directory, and a server side job picks up the file, runs the program and deposits the output to the user's home directory
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16:37 | so the program is actually run on the privilaged account, not the regular user's
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16:39 | <fiesh> I don't really think there's any need to do anything besides remove the read permission, but if you want to do it like that, just use a script that is triggered by a cron job every minute?
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17:02 | <awei> hi, trying to set up thin client, but after pxelinux.0 is loaded, i get a blank screen and then "mount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /root failed: Invalid argument". any ideas?
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17:02 | I'm guessing it has something to do w/ this line in my pxelinux.cfg "append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.13.0-46-generic init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash nbdroot=192.168.9.10 root=/dev/nbd0"
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17:24 | <alkisg> awei: why do you need to specify the nbdroot ip, is it different from your dhcp server?
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17:24 | <awei> i stuck that in there because w/o it i was getting a connection time out
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17:24 | <alkisg> awel, is that ubuntu? which version?
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17:25 | <awei> alkisg: i was flailing around and found that adding that line made it work. yes, i'm using ubuntu 14.04.2 as the LTSP server
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17:25 | alkisg: at least it made me get past the connection time out error
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17:25 | <alkisg> What about your dhcp server, where is it?
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17:25 | <awei> dhcp server is served from Ubuntu as well using isc-dhcp-server
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17:26 | <alkisg> Do you happen to also have a router that serves as a dhcp server?
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17:26 | <awei> no, it's all VMs right now using host-only network w/o a DHCP server
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17:26 | <alkisg> Virtualbox?
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17:26 | <awei> yessir
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17:27 | <alkisg> Virtualbox does have its own dhcp server, did you disable that?
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17:27 | <awei> correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the networking stuff is working
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17:27 | yes, the dhcp server is disabled
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17:27 | the thin client can get to the pxelinux.0 file and start running
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17:27 | <alkisg> Usually the problem with getting pxelinux but not nbd is a second dhcp server
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17:27 | So, 192.168.9.10 is your vbox host-only subnet, and it's served by isc-dhcp?
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17:28 | *and it's your server's vboxnet0 ip...
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17:28 | <awei> yes, correct
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17:28 | <alkisg> OK, let's try it,
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17:28 | <awei> sorry... try which?
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17:28 | <alkisg> put break=mount in pxelinux.cfg as a parameter, right next to root=xxx,
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17:28 | remove quiet splash,
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17:29 | and you're supposed to get an initramfs shell there
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17:29 | So there at the client, try this, but put 192.168.9.10 as the server ip:
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17:29 | !nbdclient
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17:29 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'nbdclient', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nbd-client'
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17:29 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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17:29 | <ltsp`> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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17:29 | <awei> oh whoa
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17:29 | i'm loading initrd.img now
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17:29 | didn't get that last time
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17:29 | got to initramfs
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17:30 | <alkisg> nbd is a lot after initrd, but you don't see it if you have quiet splash
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17:30 | <awei> so i got to "Spawning shell with initramfs" and dropped into the the initramfs shell
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17:30 | <alkisg> Right, try the nbd-client command there
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17:30 | <awei> ok...
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17:33 | <awei> hi, sorry... connection dropped... i get "Negotiation: Error SErver closed connection"
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17:34 | <alkisg> What's the output of this? ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images
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17:34 | <awei> might be my syntax error. lemme try again
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17:34 | no such file or directory
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17:34 | <alkisg> nbd-client 192.168.9.10 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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17:35 | You haven't ran ltsp-build-client?
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17:35 | <awei> i did on my server
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17:35 | <alkisg> Ah sorry I meant on the server
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17:35 | <awei> on the LTSP server
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17:35 | <alkisg> nbd-client command => on the client initramfs,
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17:35 | <alkisg> ls -lha command => on the server
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17:35 | <awei> yup, i did that
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17:35 | ok, hold...
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17:35 | * alkisg waves to vagrantc | |
17:36 | <awei> i have /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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17:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc: food for thought, for whenever you have time for this... what would you prefer for lts.conf syntax, ini file, yaml, or plain python? :)
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17:37 | awei: egrep -rv '^#' /etc/nbd*
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17:37 | Put the results to pastebin
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17:39 | vagrantc: I recently read about yaml, and it sounded like a good candidate... for example, I don't think numbering the RCFILE_xx commands makes more sense than declaring them as list of strings (in yaml syntax it's very readable)
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17:39 | <awei> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/bX0i99WL
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17:39 | <alkisg> awei: on the server, try `tail -f /var/log/syslog`, then run the nbd-cilent command on the client again, then check for errors
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17:40 | <awei> Negotiation failed/8a: requested export not found.
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17:40 | hmm... that looks promising
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17:46 | <alkisg> Did you restart your nbd-server after generating the image?
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17:46 | (for the first time?)
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17:46 | Because your ltsp_i386.conf file seems fine...
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17:46 | <callan> one more question, is there a way to send a message from the server to a client's x session? like a popup?
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17:47 | <awei> alkisg: i'll do that now
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17:50 | it looks like it's working... though it says" [ 1129.301297] nbd0: unkonwn partition table" at the prompt
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17:52 | ok, i was wrong. i just get the prompt back
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17:54 | <alkisg> callan: see epoptes
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17:54 | !epoptes
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17:54 | <ltsp`> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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17:54 | <callan> perfect
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17:54 | <alkisg> callan: about your other question, google for inotify, although it's completely unrelated to ltsp
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17:55 | awei: the unknown partition table message is normal
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17:55 | <awei> ok, so, just let it churn?
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17:55 | <alkisg> What is "churn"? sorry i'm not a native english speaker...
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17:55 | We all see the message on each boot if that's what you're asking
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17:56 | <awei> sorry, just let it run
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17:56 | <alkisg> Yup... if you remove break=mount now, does it boot? if not, what's the error message?
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17:57 | <awei> lemme try
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17:59 | alkisg: "Failure: Insufficient information to set up nbd,..."
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17:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've never really liked yaml to be honest
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17:59 | <alkisg> awei: it sounds like you changed more stuff in pxelinux.cfg/default, what's the current command line?
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18:00 | vagrantc: so we should keep it in an ini-like syntax?
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18:01 | (python configparser, to be exact, because ini files are loosely defined, e.g. how to declare a var with multiple lines...)
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18:01 | <awei> alkisg: it's at initramfs prompt is that what you mean? or is this what you mean: "append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.13.0-46-generic init=/sbin/init-ltsp nbdroot=192.168.9.10 root=/dev/nbd0"
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18:01 | <alkisg> awei: generally you shouldn't need nbdroot there
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18:01 | <awei> ok, i'll try taking it out now.
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18:02 | <alkisg> awei: also, do you have rootpath=/opt/ltsp/i386 in your dhcpd.conf?
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18:02 | <awei> lemme look...
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18:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ini-style seems fine to me...
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18:02 | <awei> yea: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/ie86";
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18:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: any backwards-incompatible changes with configparser?
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18:03 | <alkisg> vagrantc: too little to worry about, but the major changes would be "no LDM* variables, multiple configuration files in /etc/ltsp/config.d/..."
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18:04 | So I wouldn't worry much about backwards compatibility with ltsp6, lts.conf files will need to be rewritten anyway to replace the actual content with newer variables
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18:04 | <vagrantc> right
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18:05 | wildcard matching?
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18:05 | <alkisg> E.g. with lightdm we probably shouldn't use xrandr_mode_0 but xorg's preferred mode, or however wayland calls it
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18:05 | <vagrantc> i.e. [192.168.53.*] ?
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18:05 | <alkisg> Phantomas did implement wildcard matching, yes
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18:05 | Do we also allow python scripts in the configuration dir?
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18:06 | Or that would be only ltsp code and not sysadmin code?
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18:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'd be wary of python-only code in the config scripts, but making it an option could be really valuable
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18:08 | right now ltsp_config.d sort of fills that role allowing arbitrary code in config
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18:08 | <alkisg> The problem is that some things can't be done client-side
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18:08 | E.g. suppose that the sysadmin needs to do load balancing based on available server ram
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18:08 | <vagrantc> sure
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18:09 | you don't think any processing should be done client-side?
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18:09 | <alkisg> I think both options are needed
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18:09 | <vagrantc> ok, good :)
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18:09 | <alkisg> And each script should go wherever it belongs best...
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18:10 | * alkisg would like to have ltspd ready enough for debconf, in order to commit it in trunk there | |
18:11 | <alkisg> I think it can easily support reading lts.conf from tftp if we do want to use it with ltsp 5 too...
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18:12 | Btw, I was checking "vagrant" today, it sounds like a good way to create ltsp "chroots", but I haven't yet tested it
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18:13 | <awei> alkisg: Hi... so, for whatever reason, i need the nbdroot. i added the port: nbdroot=192.168.9.10,10809 and i get "Negotiation .Error: It looks like you're trying to connect to a newstyle server with a the oldstyle protocol.
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18:13 | <alkisg> Yes that's not a correct syntax
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18:13 | <awei> oh ok... n.m...
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18:14 | <alkisg> Try nbdroot=10.168.9.10:/opt/ltsp/i386
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18:14 | <awei> k
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18:14 | <alkisg> But you should check why you need it
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18:14 | E.g. by removing it, putting break=mount, and running `cat /run/net-eth0.conf` in the initramfs
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18:14 | <awei> ok, i'll try that too.
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18:16 | so, adding the file directly worked... i get ubuntu gui now!
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18:16 | lemme check on the networking issue
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18:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, if we start using "vagrant" that'll get pretty confusing. :)
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18:18 | <alkisg> :D
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18:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've also wondered about puppet, chef, propellor, etc.
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18:19 | <alkisg> I only care enough about that part in order to "remove it" from ltsp, the documentation and the code on how to build a vm
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18:19 | If we could just link to some tools it'd be great
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18:19 | And leave our own part to the ltsp-client package
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18:19 | <vagrantc> so killing off ltsp-build-client entirely?
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18:20 | should be feasible, i guess.
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18:20 | <awei> alkisg: so, i think the issue is the ROOTSERVER='192.168.9.1'. where doe s that get configured?
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18:20 | <alkisg> awei: if your host doesn't have that IP, then it's your virtualbox's dhcp server talking there
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18:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the only thing i would worry about is more inconsistancy if it's just "install package foo"
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18:21 | alkisg: a lot of tools add random cruft
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18:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I saw that vagrant support installing e.g. centos anywhere, we don't have scripts for that now
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18:21 | And if it supports kvm too, maybe it has an rpi "box" as well?
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18:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: there would still need to be ltsp-client packages
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18:21 | <alkisg> Yes, of course
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18:22 | Ah, you mean that we would need instructions to "launch the vm and install ltsp-client"?
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18:22 | I think that'd be trivial...
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18:22 | <vagrantc> wait, you're talking about building a vm and then generating the image out of that?
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18:23 | <alkisg> E.g. `vagrant init ubuntu/precise32', 'vagrant up', "install ltsp-client there", then just run ltsp-update-image by pointing to the .vdi file
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18:24 | We can easily export the .vdi directly if we prefer, but that's a thought for later on, it will work great with btrfs snapshots
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18:25 | <vagrantc> doesn't vagrant have hooks so we could install ltsp-client automatically?
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18:25 | <alkisg> I haven't looked, it probably does. Maybe it's specific to each box, some use puppet, some chef...
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18:26 | From the ltsp side, we only care about the last 2 parts, we don't even care if the users are using vagrant or vbox or kvm or chroots...
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18:26 | <vagrantc> do we end up with extra dependencies in the image?
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18:26 | <alkisg> I can't comment much on vagrant, I haven't run it yet :)
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18:26 | I don't think so though
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18:27 | <vagrantc> i guess i just want to make sure there's a way to install that's only running a single command, rather than "build a vm with X, log into the vm, install Y Z"
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18:28 | <alkisg> One may also use lxc to maintain his chroots
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18:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i presume you're not planning on abandoning the "ltsp-update-image /" ltsp-pnp method?
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18:29 | <alkisg> It won't make any difference, the code will be there, running it upon a .vdi or upon / is small difference
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18:29 | (or upon a chroot)
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18:29 | <vagrantc> right
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18:29 | <alkisg> The preparations for this, i.e. init-ltsp.d, were the significant part...
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18:29 | <vagrantc> i've also wondered about updating an existing image with an aufs/overlayfs mount of the old image
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18:30 | * vagrantc nods | |
18:30 | <vagrantc> would make cross-distro images easier to maintain
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19:01 | <vagrantc> eesh. ltsp-docs is really out of date
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19:03 | <awei> work_alkisg: fwiw, i restarted my vms and did not need the nbdroot command anymore. thanks for all your help.
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