IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:11 | <Marlboro> help
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| 00:14 | no screens found ???
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| 02:45 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: greeting from the desktop room.
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| 02:45 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, hey
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| 02:45 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 02:46 | * ogra is in platform atm, discussing ressource profiling | |
| 02:46 | <Q-FUNK> are you here too?
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| 02:46 | ok
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| 02:46 | which one are you attending in 5 min?
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| 03:34 | <alkisg> ogra, hello, are you here?
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| 03:35 | any ldm maintainer here?
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| 03:43 | <Nubae> I've just tried using LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD in the lts.conf file and I just get a black screen with blinking cursor
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| 03:43 | this is in hardy...
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| 04:17 | <totoro> hello
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| 04:20 | <totoro> is it possible to coonect to ltsp server without booting?
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| 04:21 | I have fat-client, and I want to connect on ltsp like I can do on TSE
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| 04:47 | <cyberorg_> totoro, ssh -X serverip /path/to/Xsession, though you won't get local devices
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| 04:58 | <totoro> cyberorg_: thx
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| 04:58 | but I don't understand about /path/to/Xsession
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| 05:03 | <cyberorg_> totoro, it is usually /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession or /etc/X11/xinitrc/Xsession or ssh -X username@serverip /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 05:09 | <totoro> oh ok
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| 05:09 | but with this ssh -X, not need ltsp?
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| 05:10 | even on serveur without ltsp, this command works too right?
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| 07:36 | <ChrisM_> hi everyone
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| 07:38 | In /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp_nbd there's a variable called $DHCPPORT where do I need to set that to be used?
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| 07:39 | <laga> ChrisM_: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
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| 07:39 | hey, no problem!
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| 07:39 | grr.
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| 07:41 | <ChrisM_> wah.. browser based irc^^
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| 07:42 | <laga> ChrisM_: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
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| 07:42 | you should copy it to /etc/initramfs-tools/
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| 07:43 | <ChrisM_> thank you very much
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| 07:43 | do I need to run ltsp-build-client then?
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| 07:44 | <laga> no, updating the initramfs and running ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot ought to be enough.
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| 07:47 | <ChrisM_> thanks! what about the two lines MODULES="netboot" and BOOT="ltsp_nbd"? On ubuntu 8.04 it works out of the box with ndb, doesn't it?
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| 07:47 | do those lines interfere with something?
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| 07:47 | <laga> the defaults should work fine
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| 07:54 | <zamba> hm.. what happened to the ltsp web page?
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| 07:55 | <ChrisM_> hm.. still no luck.. i did update-initramfs -u whil chrooted and and ltsp-update-kernels outside of it the chroot but my client still guesses the wrongip settings.. anything else I might need to do laga?
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| 07:55 | ltsp.org still works here zamba
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| 07:55 | <laga> your client "guesses" IP settings? i thought DHCP was a bit more deterministic ;)
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| 07:55 | <zamba> yeah, but has it changed recently?
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| 07:56 | ah, nevermind.. i was playing on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 07:56 | <ChrisM_> ah^^
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| 07:57 | <zamba> anyway.. i have created an image.. and i'm now at the step where i want to set up the dhcp to handle out these.. how can i go from there?
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| 07:57 | <ChrisM_> laga: okay no it only guesses the bc address ^^ but it get's the settings from the wrong server
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| 07:57 | on the normal ports
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| 07:57 | <laga> then check the time stamp on your initramfs to check if it was updated
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| 07:59 | <ChrisM_> well initrd.img-2.6.24-16-generic was updated but not nbi.img-2.6.24-16-generic and not the kernel (just the link)
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| 07:59 | I'll recheck all the steps
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| 07:59 | <laga> where did you put the config file
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| 08:00 | <ChrisM_> it's located in /etc/initramfs-tools (while chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386)
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| 08:01 | do i maybe need to add the .conf extension?
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| 08:01 | <laga> ChrisM_: it goes into /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d
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| 08:01 | sorry for the trouble
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| 08:01 | <ChrisM_> ah hehe now that you mention it, it makes sense :)
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| 08:02 | no worries ;)
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| 08:04 | <laga> let me know if it works for you
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| 08:07 | <ChrisM_> hm.. no it still uses the standard ports
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| 08:07 | is there anything i can check from the initramfs prompt on the client?
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| 08:08 | <laga> yeah. probably. ;)
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| 08:08 | i believe the config dir will be there
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| 08:09 | <ChrisM_> yep there's a conf/conf.d with the file in it
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| 08:09 | there's also a scripts dir with a ltsp_nbd file where it checks for a $dhcpport (note the case)
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| 08:10 | <laga> i think $dhcpport is overriden earlier in the file.
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| 08:10 | when it's parsing boot options.
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| 08:11 | <ChrisM_> well it sets DHCPPORT with dhcpport so DHCPPORT seams to be the final destination anyway
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| 08:12 | <laga> is your dhcpd working on the correct port?
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| 08:13 | <ChrisM_> yep
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| 08:13 | echo $DHCPPORT shows that the variable isn't set
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| 08:14 | oha
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| 08:14 | <laga> i'm not sure if it's supposed to be set there...
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| 08:14 | <ChrisM_> i just checked the file ltsp under conf/conf.d/ltsp
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| 08:14 | <laga> is $BOOT set?
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| 08:14 | <ChrisM_> and it's unchanged
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| 08:14 | nope boot is also empty
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| 08:15 | <laga> so conf/conf.d/ltsp has DHCPPORT though?
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| 08:15 | <ChrisM_> yep, but in comment and empty
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| 08:15 | like it is taken from where I copied it
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| 08:17 | <laga> did you regenerate the initramfs after copying the file to the correct location?
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| 08:17 | <ChrisM_> i ran "update-initramfs -u" while chrooted
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| 08:17 | is that the wrong comand?
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| 08:18 | +m
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| 08:18 | <laga> update-initramfs -c -k all might work better.. that's what i used to use.
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| 08:18 | you also need to run ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot, maybe you forgot that
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| 08:18 | <ChrisM_> nope been there done that :)
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| 08:27 | <ChrisM_> hm.. i now also changed the file in /usr/share but it's still unchanged on the client
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| 08:27 | so it seems to not update that image
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| 08:27 | i'll try that -c -k approach
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| 08:27 | <laga> because /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d overrides it.. humm..
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| 08:29 | <ChrisM_> say is there a way to check that boot image? can I mount it with -o look?
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| 08:29 | with -o loop
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| 08:29 | <laga> what boot image? the initrd?
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| 08:30 | zcat initrd. | cpio -i
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| 08:30 | in a new directory!!
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| 08:35 | <ChrisM_> weird
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| 08:35 | seems to be correct inside the initrd
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| 08:36 | <laga> ChrisM_: if you've still got problems.. i'll probably be back around 18:00-20:00 GMT+2, i'll be able to take a look at the code then.
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| 08:36 | gotta run to attend a lecture now, bye :)
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| 08:36 | <ChrisM_> okay thanks a lot, bye
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| 08:39 | <laga> np. i'd hate see that one piece of code i'Ve contributed to LTSP fail :)
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| 08:40 | <ChrisM_> ah hehe, I guess it's just a fault on my side ;)
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| 08:47 | hm.. in my dhcpd.conf there's only the nbi.img and not the initrd.img
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| 08:47 | seems like i have to rebuild that one?
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| 08:52 | <ChrisM_679> Does anoyne know how I can rebuild the nbd.img-2.6.24-16-generic file?
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| 08:54 | <stgraber> ogra: How's UDS going ?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> hogged by intel since today
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| 08:55 | (for me at least)
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| 08:55 | the rest seems to be fine
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| 08:57 | oh, and we defined a fine menu groups mechanism based on laserjocks work, willow is one of my duties for 8.10 and moquist is busy with making moodle just rock
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| 08:58 | <stgraber> sounds good
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| 09:14 | <zamba> i'm having a problem with one of my thin clients not able to boot.. i see in the syslog that the server has offered it an ip, but the client doesn't ack it.. how can i debug this?
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| 09:15 | <zamba> it's not like only one client are able to access the same image at any given time?
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| 09:28 | <MRH2> hi are any additional scripts available (or plans) to get propietory graphics drivers into the ltsp-5 .img / directory from the host distribution? Really looking for nvidia ati and matrox
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| 09:28 | <laga> MRH2: on ubuntu?
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| 09:28 | <MRH2> sure any one will do
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| 09:31 | <zamba> tftp: client does not accept options <- that's the error i get
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| 09:32 | <ChrisM_679> where did mkelf-linux go? how am I supposed to update the nbi.img file without it?
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| 09:34 | laga: the problem seems to be that my client get's the nbi and that seems to have an outdated initramfs
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| 09:34 | <likuidkewl> Anyone know if the jetpipe printing issue is/has been resolved?
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| 09:34 | <x86> ah cool, there is an LTSP channel :)
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| 09:35 | <K_O-Gnom> http://www.golem.de/0805/59808.html <-- ham die dann nen angebissenen apfel auf der heckflosse?
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| 09:35 | <x86> I've been tasked with a project of setting up a thin client farm and a big bad server
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| 09:35 | <K_O-Gnom> crab wrong chan
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| 09:35 | <x86> I know what I want to use for the server, but I'm looking for suggestions on thin clients?
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| 09:35 | I know HP makes some relatively cheap thin clients, would you recommend them?
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| 09:39 | <ChrisM_679> someone in here, i think it was q-funk, recommended these: http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/
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| 09:39 | i think he works for the company, but they look sweet
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| 09:41 | <Q-FUNK> yes, I do
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| 09:42 | <Q-FUNK> x86: any particular need for the thin client farm?
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| 09:43 | <x86> well, I've never really investigated thin clients before, but I was just told we want all of our salespeople to have a computer
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| 09:44 | so they can open up MS Word files (OpenOffice, Koffice, Abiword, etc)
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| 09:44 | I was thinking it'd be insanely cheaper to buy ~100 thin clients than it would ~100 full PC's
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| 09:44 | <Q-FUNK> so mail + office software?
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| 09:44 | <x86> no mail
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| 09:44 | just office software
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| 09:45 | <Q-FUNK> it's not just cheaper, it's also a lot more sane to maintain
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| 09:45 | you only need to update the software on the server
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| 09:45 | <x86> here's the problem though, those ~100 users are spread out over 6 different physical locations
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| 09:45 | and I've only got a T1 of bandwidth to each office
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| 09:45 | will that be enough?
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| 09:46 | <Q-FUNK> right, so you'd need 6 servers, remote-managed
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| 09:46 | <x86> 6 servers?!
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| 09:46 | <laga> ChrisM_679: ltsp-update-kernels inside the chroot can probably update the nbi.
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| 09:46 | <x86> the idea was use one server for everything ;)
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| 09:46 | <laga> ChrisM_679: or some hook in /etc/update-kernels.d
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| 09:46 | <Q-FUNK> unless you can get away with having connections from remote offices dropping whenever their local ISP is crap.
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| 09:46 | <laga> ChrisM_679: err, /etc/kernel/postinst.d/
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| 09:47 | <x86> Q-FUNK: err, it's a T1 ;)
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| 09:47 | <Q-FUNK> T1 at each office?
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| 09:47 | <x86> yes
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| 09:47 | <Q-FUNK> ah
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| 09:47 | then it should work
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| 09:48 | <x86> 09:45 < x86> here's the problem though, those ~100 users are spread out over 6 different physical locations
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| 09:48 | 09:45 < x86> and I've only got a T1 of bandwidth to each office
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| 09:48 | did you miss that part? :)
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| 09:48 | <Q-FUNK> it should be enough
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| 09:48 | saw it
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| 09:49 | that's about 20 users at each location
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| 09:49 | <laga> what about latency?
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| 09:49 | <warren> T1 bandwidth for 20 users?
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| 09:49 | <x86> ~50ms... we've got an guaranteed SLA
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| 09:50 | <warren> T1 is not much at all
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| 09:50 | <x86> warren: right
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| 09:50 | <Q-FUNK> it's good enough
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| 09:50 | <warren> x86: *one* LTSP client using youtube can push 40MB/sec
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| 09:50 | <ChrisM_679> thanks laga, i was already able to rebuild it with mkelfImage.. but now he seems to do more, but still fails because later he contacts the wrong dhcp again
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| 09:50 | <Q-FUNK> warren: they won't use net apps
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| 09:51 | <x86> warren: that's more than 100mbps ethernet can handle ;)
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| 09:51 | <ChrisM_679> i'll follow the output more closely
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| 09:51 | <Q-FUNK> warren: they'll only have open office
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| 09:51 | <laga> ChrisM_679: later?
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| 09:51 | ChrisM_679: is that a standard ltsp setup?
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| 09:51 | <warren> you might have better luck with vnc with a lower bitrate
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| 09:51 | but T1 is really not much at all
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| 09:51 | <x86> Q-FUNK: can I limit the color depth to like 8bpp to save bandwidth too?
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| 09:51 | <warren> you will hit congestion and failure
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| 09:51 | <laga> AFAIK, there's only one dhcp handshake after the kernel is loaded.
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| 09:52 | <x86> vnc on a thin client?
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| 09:52 | <warren> X protocol is too bandwidth heavy
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| 09:52 | <Q-FUNK> x86: yes, color depth can be limited
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| 09:52 | <ChrisM_679> laga: hm.. looks like i only build an image which shows all the boot messages
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| 09:52 | <totoro> is it possible to connect to ltsp server without booting?
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| 09:53 | <x86> warren: how much bandwidth will an X client use?
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| 09:53 | <ChrisM_679> he runs /scripts/nfs-top now though
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| 09:53 | <warren> x86: you may want to run one client and just measure it
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| 09:54 | <ChrisM_679> laga: the file's correct now though :)
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| 09:54 | <x86> warren: then again, I may want some numbers before I invest in the hardware ;)
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| 09:54 | <warren> you don't need to invest in hardware
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| 09:54 | you can run LTSP on any machine just to test it
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| 09:55 | <x86> I have no X server, and I have no spare desktops
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| 09:55 | so...
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| 09:55 | warren: you could have just said you dont have the numbers ;)
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| 09:55 | <warren> i'm getting you some numbers now
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| 09:55 | x86: you have no linux box?
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| 09:55 | <ChrisM_679> laga: oh btw. yeah it's standard ltsp from the ubuntu 8.04 alternate cd.. just looks like i build a more verbose bdi img ;)
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| 09:55 | <x86> not with X, no
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| 09:56 | <warren> x86: you could even test LTSP from a Fedora LiveUSB
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| 09:56 | <x86> I have no spare desktops
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| 09:57 | <MRH2> x86 i'd put a server at each site or use a tubby clients an alternate connection method rather than remote X.
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| 09:58 | <x86> tubby clients?
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| 09:58 | <MRH2> sort of thing that can run a browser ok
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| 09:58 | <x86> what about open office?
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| 09:58 | <MRH2> locally
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| 09:58 | <ChrisM_679> heh reminds me of teletubbies *shudder*
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| 09:58 | <laga> ChrisM_679: what port is your dhcp number running on?
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| 09:58 | <MRH2> lol
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| 09:59 | <x86> why do you need a fast proc or a lot of RAM for a thin client?
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| 09:59 | I see that as really the only difference between clients
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| 09:59 | <ChrisM_679> laga: 1067 and 1068 but there's another one in the company which runs on normal ports.. from this i get the wrong info and thus the mount of the rootfs fails
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| 09:59 | <warren> x86: yeah, one server per 20 clients at each site is likely your best option
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| 09:59 | <MRH2> yeah the HP 1ghz 512MB clients are enough to do this locally and provide alternate methods to connect to a central server
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| 10:00 | <laga> ChrisM_679: ok, so you got the ports right :) and you're using pxelinux to boot the client?
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| 10:00 | <warren> x86: you can still centrally manage those servers over your T1 link
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| 10:00 | <MRH2> I'd buy one and play about with the different options
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| 10:00 | <x86> MRH2: so each client has it's own OS?
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| 10:00 | and can run X locally, etc?
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| 10:00 | <warren> x86: X runs locally in any case...
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| 10:01 | <x86> well yeah, but I mean all the applications are run locally?
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| 10:01 | <MRH2> to a certain extent then use ctirix freeNX or wheatever if you really need to keep the servers central
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| 10:01 | <x86> that's not a requirement
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| 10:01 | was just going to do thin clients to save money
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| 10:01 | <MRH2> in which case i'd stick a server at each site
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| 10:01 | <x86> if I have to use a "tubby" client, that's fine too
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| 10:02 | <Q-FUNK> warren: hence my 6 server answer
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| 10:02 | <x86> can I boot a tubby client off the network and run everything locally?
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| 10:02 | (root fs, kernel, etc on a central server for easy management)
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| 10:02 | <MRH2> could but not really what u want to do
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| 10:02 | <x86> local swap on flash
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| 10:02 | <warren> you don't need swap
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| 10:02 | <x86> why is that?
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| 10:02 | <totoro> with freeNX, sessions are not in chroot like ltsp, right?
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| 10:02 | <MRH2> if ur gonna go local i'd install on a flash drive
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| 10:03 | <warren> x86: here's some rough numbers
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| 10:03 | <x86> MRH2: I like the central management
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| 10:03 | <warren> x86: 800x600 desktop, moving the mouse around alone uses about 150kbit/sec both upload and download
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| 10:03 | x86: during opening openoffice it spiked to 4mbit/sec
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| 10:03 | <x86> warren: what color depth?
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| 10:03 | <MRH2> i would stick with ltsp and 6 servers to keep things simple
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| 10:03 | <warren> x86: 16
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| 10:03 | <x86> warren: do me a favor, drop it down to 4 or 8
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| 10:03 | <warren> x86: no
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| 10:04 | I'm telling you it is a complete waste of time to try to do this over a T1.
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| 10:04 | I got you rough numbers.
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| 10:04 | now I have to work on something else.
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| 10:04 | <x86> since that's what I'd be running, and it would considerably cut the bandwidth usage down
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| 10:04 | <x86> *sigh*
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| 10:04 | ok, I'll get numbers elsewhere then
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| 10:04 | thanks anyway
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| 10:04 | <ChrisM_679> laga: hm.. don't think so its a zlilo image from rom-o-matic which gets loaded via syslinux on the client
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| 10:05 | <warren> you come in here to ask the experts
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| 10:05 | we're telling you this wont work
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| 10:05 | <MRH2> X86 I wouldn't rely on the T1 lines for all desktop services.
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| 10:05 | <warren> we told you what you should do instead
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| 10:05 | <x86> warren: but you're not giving the numbers I need
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| 10:05 | MRH2: well the data is certainly in one location right now
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| 10:05 | <Q-FUNK> warren: you said it won't work. I said it could, it only OO is used and nothing that is streaming or accessing the internet live
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| 10:05 | <x86> MRH2: that part is not going to change, and it works well
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| 10:06 | <warren> Q-FUNK: and I think it is still a bad idea that will be barely usable
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| 10:06 | <MRH2> data?
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| 10:06 | <x86> MRH2: documents, etc
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| 10:06 | <MRH2> i'd go web based for that sort of thing
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| 10:06 | <x86> warren: yeah I think I'll just get tubby clients and have each one run it's own OS
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| 10:06 | <MRH2> wiki + doc management
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| 10:06 | <Q-FUNK> warren: I indeed said that one server per site and remote management would be better.
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| 10:06 | <warren> indeed
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| 10:07 | <x86> Q-FUNK: but then it negates the only benefit... cost ;)
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| 10:07 | <Q-FUNK> warren: but I haven't said that doing absolutely everything via a central location would be impossible
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| 10:07 | <warren> not impossible, just a bad idea
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| 10:07 | <Q-FUNK> x86: come on! you're still talking about 6 servers, versus 100 desktop.
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| 10:08 | <Q-FUNK> you'd still be saving a fortune even with 6 servers.
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| 10:08 | <warren> yeah
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| 10:08 | <x86> Q-FUNK: thin clients are $319 each (1ghz, 256mb ram, 128mb flash), plus a server is $3000
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| 10:09 | <MRH2> the saving is in the management
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| 10:09 | <warren> x86: most of your cost savings will be in management
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| 10:09 | <Q-FUNK> x86: why would you need 1ghz for a thin client?
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| 10:09 | <MRH2> snap
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| 10:10 | <Q-FUNK> x86: or any flash, even, for a mere PXE client?
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| 10:10 | <laga> ChrisM_679: well, rom-o-matic will give you pxelinux :)
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| 10:11 | <warren> x86: you seriously need to actually try it before making any decisions
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| 10:11 | x86: because you are not listening to us
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| 10:11 | <MRH2> warren is right testing is key
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| 10:11 | and role out in stages
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| 10:11 | <ChrisM_679> laga: yeah I guess it should be working, since it get's the nbi from the ltsp server and afterwards it got that, everything that follows is ltsp, right?
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| 10:12 | laga: but it still seems to ignore the little ltsp file i copied
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| 10:12 | <Q-FUNK> x86: what's the point of putting desktops specs for a thin client? you're not running any application locally.
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| 10:12 | <ChrisM_679> laga: although it now has the correct port in there
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| 10:14 | laga: hm.. it seems my client is using the nfs way to boot and in that script there's no use of the $DHCPPORT variable
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| 10:15 | <totoro> is it possible to run ltsp client session into local OS?
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| 10:16 | like TSE, you need only run terminal client
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| 10:16 | <ChrisM_679> laga: hm.. but in my dhcp.conf file there's only mention off pxelinux and nbi
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| 10:16 | <totoro> if thin client already an OS, and is not really thin but fat one
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| 10:17 | <ChrisM_679> totoro: maybe with vmware?
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| 10:18 | <totoro> no terminal client for ltsp?
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| 10:18 | vmware it's too heavy tip
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| 10:19 | to connect on MS Terminal Server, you need only rdesktop
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| 10:20 | so something like rdesktop for ltsp
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| 10:20 | sure it's not really for thin clients goal
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| 10:24 | <laga> ChrisM_679: NFS isn't the default in hardy
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| 10:25 | <ChrisM_679> laga: yeah i thought wrong.. ltsp_nbd calls nfs_top, thats what confused me
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| 10:25 | laga: but i think we have a case problem here
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| 10:26 | laga: looking at scripts/ltsp_nbd it get's the DHCPPORT variable from $dhcpport
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| 10:31 | <zamba> ltsp doesn't work over plain layer 2 switches?
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| 10:35 | <ChrisM_679> why do you think so zamba?
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| 10:37 | <zamba> ChrisM_679: because when i tried booting off a layer-2 switch nothing happened.. but if i connected the "uplink" cable directly to the computer, everything worked fine
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| 10:41 | <MRH2> is there a management interface on the switch
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| 10:41 | probably blocking something
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| 10:49 | <ChrisM_679> yeah i guess so too
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| 10:49 | laga: do you know where that ltsp file with DHCPPORT in it should get included?
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| 10:53 | Where can I pass boot options to the kernel with ltsp5?
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| 10:53 | <MRH2> there is a file under the tftp directory
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| 10:55 | <ChrisM_679> you mean the on under pxelinux.cfg?
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| 10:56 | <MRH2> that sounds right
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| 10:57 | <ChrisM_679> but that's only for pxe not for the nbi.img right?
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| 11:00 | <MRH2> I *think* it still boots the kernel tftp with the nbi.img used just for the root directory -with no further 'switches' - AFAIK (?)
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| 11:07 | <ChrisM_679> MRH2: it seems like you have to give the command line arguments to mkelfImage and they get built into the bdi.img, still have to test it though
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| 11:09 | <ChrisM_679> MRH2: just for the record: it works :)
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| 11:16 | <MRH2> ok i'll remember that
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| 11:21 | <talntid> anyone here use wyse thin clients?
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| 11:22 | <MRH2> nope used HP though
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| 11:24 | <talntid> yeah, that doesn help me -- was looking to have someone confirm a bug
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| 11:26 | <MRH2> only thing i can say generally is newer hardware only plays well with newer kernels (had this with HP and an and older ltsp version)
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| 11:28 | <talntid> well, actually.. i think my issue is before any of that..
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| 11:28 | ram chip says 128mb, invoice says 128mb.. bios says 64mb
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| 11:28 | <MRH2> video taking any memeory?
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| 11:29 | <talntid> in the bios, it shouldn't be
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| 11:33 | <MRH2> my guess is either video memory being subtracted in the bios for some reason or bad memory - try physically removing it and replacing it back again and try the memory in another terminal or compatible device.
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| 11:35 | or call wyse that's why they get paid the bug bucks lol
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| 11:36 | <laga> re
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| 11:36 | <talntid> 8 clients do the same thing
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| 11:37 | http://spokanego.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=360&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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| 11:38 | <MRH2> 128MB is flash memory
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| 11:38 | 64MB is ram
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| 11:38 | <laga> ChrisM_679: all working now?
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| 11:39 | <MRH2> and never the 2 will meet
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| 11:45 | <talntid> right, MRH2
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| 11:45 | it is supposed to have 128MB flash Memory, 128MB Ram
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| 11:46 | http://www.wyse.com/products/hardware/thinclients/V10L/index.asp
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| 11:46 | Wyse V10L Flash: 128MB Ram: 128MB Part #: 902132-01L
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| 11:46 | so. :)
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| 11:46 | <ChrisM_679> laga: nope it seems to include the ltsp file under conf.d because if I change BOOT="ltsp_nbd" to something different it fails
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| 11:47 | laga: but it still to contact the other dhcp on the normal ports
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| 11:48 | <laga> ChrisM_679: and if you use the boot option?
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| 11:48 | <ChrisM_679> laga: you mean dhcpport as kernel boot option?
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| 11:49 | <laga> yes
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| 11:49 | <ChrisM_679> laga: still have to try that
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| 11:51 | <zamba> how can i change the language for one session?
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| 11:51 | <ChrisM_679> laga: say are you from germany?
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| 11:51 | <laga> yes
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| 11:51 | <ChrisM_679> | |
| 11:51 | <laga> ;)
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| 11:52 | i've gotta run now, sports and dinner. bbl, i'll look at the code.. it should work ;)
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| 11:52 | <ChrisM_679> found out what's going on
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| 11:52 | <laga> ah?
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| 11:52 | <ChrisM_679> IPOPTS is empty
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| 11:52 | <laga> odd.
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| 11:52 | what's missing?
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| 11:52 | (bbl)
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| 11:52 | <ChrisM_679> ok i'll search on ^^
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| 11:54 | <ChrisM_679> laga: IPOPTS should be dhcp, dunno why it isn't
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| 12:18 | <ChrisM_679> laga: if i set it to dhcp in /conf.d/ltsp than I get a kernel panic because ipconfig can't find a device... so it seems that the options are wrong if IPOPTS is dhcp
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| 12:37 | <ChrisM_679> laga: okay i got it
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| 12:40 | laga: i had to replace the line "ipconfig -c ${IPOPTS} -d ${DEVICE}" to "ipconfig -p ${DHCPPORT} -d ${DEVICE}" otherwhise it would still use the wrong port...
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| 12:40 | laga: oh yeah thats in the file scripts/ltsp_nbd
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| 12:40 | laga: AND i had to set IPOPTS="dhcp" in conf.d/ltsp
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| 12:41 | laga: now the client boots into a black screen, but that's not dhcp related anymore ^^
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| 12:51 | <laga> okay, thanks.
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| 12:51 | that's pretty odd considering i've tested it..
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| 13:00 | <ChrisM_679> laga: i couldn't find any info on klibc ipconfig so I don't know what -c was supposed to do
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| 13:01 | <laga> ChrisM_679: it's in klibc-utils.. i think most of the documentation is in the source, though :)
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| 13:01 | <ChrisM_679> i see :)
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| 13:01 | <laga> (apt-get source klibc-utils)
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| 13:02 | <ChrisM_679> ah k
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| 13:03 | well, thanks for all the help, gotta go now
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| 13:04 | <laga> bye
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| 13:06 | <ChrisM_679> cya
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| 13:34 | <whatch> I am in a school district with multiple subnets on our network. I am trying to set up a edubuntu server with ltsp. We use the .3 subnet in our building. What do I do to the dhcpd.conf file to make it so I can boot clients?
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| 13:43 | <warren> someone had an idea and I got mkelfimage to make fedora boot
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| 13:43 | --ramdisk-base= defaults to 8MB. I set it to 16MB and it now works.
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| 13:43 | This doesn't quite make sense because Ubuntu's initrd (uncompressed) is almost 13MB...
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> vargantc, hello, can I ask you something about ldm localization?
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| 14:20 | vagrantc (sorry)
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 14:20 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> OK! (newbie)! I want to see the login screen in Greek, so I suppose I have to make a .mo file? Is lanchpad used for translations?
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| 14:22 | And a second one, if I understand the source code correctly (Ubuntu hardy), I'm supposed to see the "preferences" button in Greek already, because it's a stock gtk text, but I see it in English. What am I missing?
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> i don't really know much about the ubuntu translation infrastructure ... but basically, you would copy in the ldm sources po/ldm.pot to NN.po, where NN is your language code, and edit NN.po to include the strings and other meta-information
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| 14:23 | there's some ubuntu web interface for translations.
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| 14:24 | i don't think anything that hasn't been specifically translated for ldm will be translated
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> So if I make the translation without the web interface, who should I sent it to? You? Ogra?
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> i can include translations upstream, which will eventually make their way to debian and ubuntu and fedora
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> In greeter.c, I see " optionbutton =
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| 14:25 | (GtkButton *) gtk_button_new_from_stock("gtk-preferences");"
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| 14:25 | But I don't see a "preferences" text anywhere, not in .mo files...
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> place to send translations would be ltsp-developer@lists.sourceforge.net
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| 14:26 | no idea, then
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> Thanks for that. Where can I get the latest source code?
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
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| 14:27 | ltspbot`: learn source as https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 14:27 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> !source
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| 14:27 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: My source is at http://supybot.com/
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 14:27 | ltspbot`: learn ltspsource as https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 14:27 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> !ltspsource
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| 14:27 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ltspsource" is https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Thanks! A last one? I saw something about enabling guest accounts in the source code, but I didn't see any documentation on the web. Is this feature working?
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> i can't speak for ubuntu, but it's working in debian
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| 14:29 | <johnny> yes , it works in ubuntu
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| 14:29 | need to update the lts-parameters.txt
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> LDM_GUESTLOGIN=true or LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true , and then it will use username and password the same as hostname
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> Thank you all!
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> or use LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD if needed
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> vagrantc, I don't know much about your involvement in ldm, I want to add some features, like a sign-up-form for new students (=create new users) and a rdesktop button/form. Is there anyway (of course if my code gets "approved") to send such modifications upstream, or should I do it just for myself? I'm an experienced programmer but quite a newbie in Linux, I don't know how things work...
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ltsp is largely developed by a group of developers from various distros ... i mainly represent debian in that regard
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| 14:34 | alkisg: basically, make a bzr branch for each feature, ask for review ... the less invasive the changes the more likely to be considered
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| 14:34 | ltsp-developer@lists.sourceforge.net and here in irc would be where to ask for review
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> I can just sign up in the bzr and make a branch? Wow! :)
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> bzr is a distributed vcs
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| 14:36 | so you can publish branches whereever you have upload access...
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> I see. Thanks again! Goodnight from Greece!
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> look forward to a translation :)
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| 14:47 | <iMacGyver> so...by default edubuntu doesn't limit virtual mem per user and process limit is 38912 :(
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| 14:47 | we just had a user accidently dos our ltsp server becuase their enter key got stuck
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| 14:51 | any recommended way to go with limitting procs and mem for ltsp users?
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| 14:51 | <gbolte> hello all
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> vagrantc, where do I put the (ldm) .mo file in the ltsp client to test it? There's no /usr/share/locale-langpack/ folder in the client...
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| 14:52 | <gbolte> I was wondering if anyone else was having an issue with ldm where if you type in the wrong password it hangs
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> alkisg: debian and ubuntu's localization is handled a little differently ...
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> iMacGyver: typically that would be done with ulimit
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| 14:53 | <gbolte> I have to reboot the client machine when a wrong password is typed into ldm
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| 14:53 | <dyn> iMacGyver: look into http://www.ss64.com/bash/ulimit.html
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> check your login.defs file and/or /etc/profile
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| 14:54 | <iMacGyver> Gadi: yeah, but where should i place the limit command?
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> vagrantc, you can tell me about debian, I'll try to find the similar thing for ubuntu.
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| 14:55 | vagrantc, but find / '*.pot' or *.po or *.mo finds nothing on the client...
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> alkisg: /usr/share/locale/NN/LC_MESSAGES/ldm.mo
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| 14:56 | <iMacGyver> like maybe put it in /etc/x11/Xsession.d ...
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> vagrantc, thanks
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> iMacGyver: /etc/login.defs
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| 14:59 | in theory
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| 15:07 | <ltspbot`> gbolte: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <ogra> oh, and we defined a fine menu groups mechanism based on laserjocks work, willow is one of my duties for 8.10 and moquist is busy with making moodle just rock
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| 15:08 | <gbolte> that sucks
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| 15:10 | <iMacGyver> Gadi: btw i think you meant /etc/security/limits.conf
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| 15:12 | <joel__> Hey, everyone! Some questions about the system... Getting an "Operating System Not Found" error on PXE boot, Any suggestions at all?
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| 15:34 | <iMacGyver> Gadi: what i ended up doing --> http://scribere.no-ip.org/LTSP#Set_some_limits
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> ah, there ya go
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| 15:36 | well, they are different things limits.conf and login.defs
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| 15:36 | one is more of a pam thing
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| 15:36 | tho, pam is prolly the best place to solve it in the end
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| 15:37 | joel__: sounds like ur not pxe booting at all
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| 15:56 | <joel__> I am trying to, however when I boot the client machine, I am only getting the "Operating System Not Found" error. I know that it is set to boot from NIC in the BIOS, however, it looks like that is not the case behind the scenes.
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> joel__: all BIOSes are different - check to see if there is a setting to enable the onboard PXE boot rom
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| 16:06 | also, there should be a PXE BIOS that you can enter (if enabled) with shift-f10 or some such
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| 16:06 | Operating System Not Found suggests the BIOS is not configured to PXE boot correctly
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| 16:10 | <joel__> I have tried the regular boot and the F12-boot option booting, with no success
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> pxe booting happens outside the normal boot process
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| 16:10 | Preboot eXecution Environment
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| 16:10 | <jammcq> yep
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> and all...
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| 16:10 | <jammcq> heh, oops
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> pipe down, jammcq!
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| 16:11 | <joel__> I understand. But there should be the option to boot via NIC (PXE)...
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> what BIOS?
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| 16:11 | is it Award BIOS?
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| 16:12 | <joel__> I am on an IBM thinkpad. It's an older one, with Windows 2000
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> google the model number and the word PXE
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| 16:13 | see what comes up
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| 16:16 | <joel__> Do you suppose I should re-flash the BIOS?
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> nah
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| 16:17 | if you cant get it to PXE boot, download a rom-o-matic image
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| 16:17 | and boot from CD
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> joel_, I think IBM thinkpad doesn't have a boot rom in the network card
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| 16:19 | <x86> can't you still PXE without a bootrom?
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| 16:19 | <johnny> i'd be suprised about that
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| 16:19 | even a dell has it
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> There is a setting in BIOS, OK, but this doesn't ensure that it can boot. If it doesn't find a boot rom it doesn't boot.
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| 16:19 | <johnny> or floppy too..
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> My brother in law has an IBM thinkpad, and I'm sure it doesn't have it. It's very old (Celeron @333), but a thinkpad nonetheless!
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| 16:20 | <johnny> we use a floppy on one single machine that has a buggy pxe implementation
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Or you can put it in the boot manager, either windows or grub
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| 16:32 | <joel__> Going back to my problem, it is saying in more detail, PXE-M0F: Exiting Intel PXE ROM Operating system not foung
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| 16:32 | (found)
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> ah, thats the important part
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| 16:33 | the "Operating System Not Found" comes from your BIOS
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| 16:34 | the PXE* stuff comes from the PXE code
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| 16:34 | try pressing shift-f10 on boot
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| 16:34 | see if you get into the PXE menu
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| 16:35 | alternatively, try pressing escape
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| 16:35 | one of the two should get u into the PXE boot menu
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| 16:35 | <warren> F12 for a boot menu from BIOS sometimes works
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> unless you are locked out of it by IBM
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| 16:35 | warren: he needs not such things
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| 16:35 | he needs to get into the PXE bios
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| 16:36 | <warren> Gadi: many BIOS let you access the PXE bios from the F12 menu
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> really?
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| 16:36 | <joel__> I can't seem to get the Shift+10 but I can get the boot menu with F12
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> I have only seen f12 take you to the BIOS boot order
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| 16:36 | <warren> it works on my Thinkpad, several Dell machines, some generic whiteboxes too
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> are you sure thats not the *BIOS* boot order?
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| 16:36 | ie, hard drive, floppy, blah blah
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| 16:36 | <warren> it lets you choose which device eto boot from that menu
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| 16:37 | <Gadi> the PXE bios is usually: int19, int18, ...
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| 16:37 | <joel__> I got a menu asking which device to start from. I chose NIC. Same thing.
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> joel_, what is the exact messages you see? Do you see something about DHCP, no ip address etc?
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| 16:42 | <joel__> The machine says "No DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were received"
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> OK, do you have an LTSP server?
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> i've seen that error before.
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| 16:43 | joel__: what kind of switch do you have?
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| 16:44 | <Gadi> yeah, so it seems ur laptop is fine, your dhcp server is not setup properly
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| 16:44 | <joel__> If is a Linksys Wireless Broadband Broadband router. DHCP server off.
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| 16:45 | The DHCP server? What would need to be changed
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| 16:45 | ?
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| 16:45 | <Gadi> ltsp server plugged into the LAN side?
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| 16:45 | <joel__> Yup.
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| 16:45 | <Gadi> as is the client?
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| 16:46 | <joel__> All LAN
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> Try to boot off a Live CD like knoppel. Then try "dhclient eth0" to see what goes on.
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| 16:46 | /knoppel/knoppix/
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| 16:46 | <Gadi> do the ip addresses in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf match the configuration of the nic in the server?
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| 16:47 | joel__: do this on the server:
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| 16:48 | sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
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| 16:48 | sudo tail -100 /var/log/syslog
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| 16:48 | see if there are errors restarting dhcp
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| 16:48 | or errors in your syslog when you do
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| 16:49 | if all is well, sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog and reboot the thinkpad
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| 16:49 | you should see DHCPDISCOVER messages
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc, about ldm: I made the .mo file, I put it in /usr/share/locale/el/LC_MESSAGES/ldm.mo but I still see english text.
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| 17:00 | vagrantc, I also tried to compile ldm from scratch (in case hardy has an older version) but I couldn't get it to run, when I replaced /usr/sbin/ldm with the new one in the thin client, it didn't start X.
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| 19:37 | <petre> evening all
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| 19:37 | <gbolte> hello
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| 19:38 | <petre> I've got a weird 4.2 & local devices problem
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| 19:38 | <gbolte> oh?
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| 19:38 | <petre> I've got a sd memory card that I plug into a client
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| 19:38 | <gbolte> yes
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| 19:39 | <petre> If logged in with my son's ID, it appears on the desktop, I can view it under Nautilus, etc.
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| 19:39 | Likewise if I'm logged in under my ID or my daughter's
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| 19:40 | <gbolte> k
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| 19:40 | <petre> but under my wife's ID, while the device name is the same, it shows only one directory within the device, instead of two as the rest of us see,
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| 19:41 | and the directory she sees has a different name than the two the rest of us see
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| 19:41 | how strange is that!
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| 19:41 | <gbolte> that is pretty strange
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| 19:41 | but she can access the media
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| 19:41 | and open anything within the directory she sees
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| 19:41 | <petre> sort of, the one directory she sees is empty;
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| 19:41 | <gbolte> oooh
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| 19:42 | sounds like a stale mount
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| 19:42 | <petre> the directories the rest of us see are full of photos
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| 19:42 | even after logging in & out repeatedly?
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| 19:42 | <gbolte> so is this just one terminal client that you are all logging on to?
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| 19:43 | <petre> yes
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| 19:43 | <gbolte> do you have another terminal that you could have her log into
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| 19:43 | to see if she still sees the device
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| 19:44 | <petre> yes, I'll try that; hang on...
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| 19:44 | <gbolte> because if the folder is still showing on the other terminal thats a stale mount it has to be
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| 19:47 | <petre> logged in on another terminal as wife, plugged in sd card, same problem
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| 19:47 | so the problem travels with her ID
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| 19:47 | which makes sense, sort of
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| 19:47 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 19:47 | hmm
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| 19:48 | <petre> I notice that one of the directories I see is called dcim and within this is dir called canon that holds the photos
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| 19:48 | <gbolte> so for some reason her profile is creating the device folder on the desktop but not actually mounting the device it seems
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| 19:48 | <petre> but for here there is no dcim level dir, just the canon dir, and it's empty
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| 19:48 | well, it's mounting it but at the wrong level in the tree
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| 19:49 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 19:49 | yeah
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| 19:49 | <petre> I looked at the permissions of her Drives/ dir, they seem to be the same as the rest of us
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| 19:49 | <gbolte> I am not sure how to answer that one maybe if you stick around someone that knows more will be able to help
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| 19:50 | yeah
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| 19:50 | I suspect you are right
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| 19:50 | <petre> yeah, I really need sbalneaves but he hasn't been around for a while
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| 19:50 | <gbolte> it is a permissions issue
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| 19:50 | I am just not sure where
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| 19:50 | <petre> I think I'll see about mounting it manually
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| 19:50 | <gbolte> alright well good luck
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| 19:51 | <petre> tx
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| 19:51 | <gbolte> I am out
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| 19:51 | c-ya
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: forget source
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| 23:57 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> !source
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| 23:57 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: My source is at http://supybot.com/
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