IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 January 2016 (all times are UTC)
| 00:13 | <Hyperbyte> Hec-Thor_, nah, it's irrelevant in this case.
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| 00:14 | <Hec-Thor_> well, you said i needed a graphical session
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| 00:14 | how can i google that in a way that it gives me some doc?
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| 00:14 | not sure what a graphical sesion means
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| 00:15 | a DE?
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| 00:15 | <Hyperbyte> Nah
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| 00:15 | X needs to be started
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| 00:16 | It's what happens automatically when you run it in SCREEN_07=xfreerdp
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| 00:16 | And it doesn't happen in SCREEN_02=xterm, which is why you get the error.
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| 00:21 | <Hec-Thor_> well am i lucky or what
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| 00:21 | :p
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| 00:21 | <Hyperbyte> --no auth is not an option
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| 00:21 | It's --no-auth
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| 00:21 | <Hec-Thor_> yes, fixed
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| 00:21 | <Hyperbyte> Doesn't help?
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| 00:22 | You are making these changes in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf right?
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| 00:22 | Because the /etc/lts.conf file shouldn't be used on Ubuntu. You mention it earlier.
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| 00:23 | <Hec-Thor_> of course, changes made, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 00:24 | i don't get why it doesnt start X
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| 00:24 | <Hyperbyte> It does start X
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| 00:24 | You're seeing a blank window and a cursor.
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| 00:24 | That's graphical, so X is started.
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| 00:25 | X = graphical interface for Linux.
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| 00:25 | Simply put.
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| 00:26 | <Hec-Thor_> yes, but why does it says xf_pre connect: failed to open display?
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| 00:26 | Please check that the $DISPLAY environment variable is properly set. freerdp_pre_connect failed
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| 00:27 | <Hyperbyte> That's only what it says in the terminal right?
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| 00:27 | Not in screen_07
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| 00:27 | <Hec-Thor_> yep, in the terminal
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| 00:28 | <Hyperbyte> Right, so, the terminal is non-graphical
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| 00:28 | And screen_07 is where X is started, that is graphical.
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| 00:28 | <Hec-Thor_> oh i see your point
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| 00:28 | <Hyperbyte> So xfreerdp cannot be started in the terminal, which is why you're starting it in screen_07
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| 00:28 | <Hec-Thor_> duh
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| 00:28 | <Hyperbyte> The error you're getting is normal behaviour. Expected.
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| 00:28 | <Hec-Thor_> silly me
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| 00:29 | <Hyperbyte> It's not silly, you're new to Linux... have to learn all this stuff at some point...
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| 00:29 | I've been there.
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| 00:29 | <Hec-Thor_> how many years have you been a linux user?
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| 00:30 | btw, doesn't xfreerdp has a syslog or something?
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| 00:31 | <Hyperbyte> Since 2001.
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| 00:31 | But I mostly use Linux for servers, I'm terrible with graphical things.
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| 00:31 | As you might have noticed. :-)
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| 00:34 | I think the problem you're facing is with xfreerdp somehow. Did you try a Google search for xfreerdp blank screen? I get some interesting results.
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| 00:35 | And there might actually be something useful saved in /var/log/ somewhere
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| 00:38 | <Hec-Thor_> well what i read was that if screen was black meant conection failed, that's why i wanted to see what the shell output was, and then i had that great idea of using screen_02
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| 00:38 | lol
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| 00:38 | <Hyperbyte> Your RDP server is 192.168.0.103?
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| 00:38 | <Hec-Thor_> yea
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| 00:39 | <Hyperbyte> Type ping -c 4 192.168.0.103 in screen_02
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| 00:43 | To see if you can get to the server
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| 00:44 | <Hec-Thor_> lemmese
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| 00:47 | woah
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| 00:47 | im so ashamed
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| 00:47 | lol
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| 00:47 | <Hyperbyte> Let me guess.
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| 00:47 | Firewall.
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| 00:47 | <Hec-Thor_> worst
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| 00:47 | hahaha
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| 00:47 | <Hyperbyte> Router?
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| 00:48 | <Hec-Thor_> wwwwwwwwwwwww
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| 00:48 | <Hyperbyte> Network cable unplugged?
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| 00:48 | <Hec-Thor_> oooo
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| 00:48 | not that much
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| 00:48 | lol
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| 00:48 | <Hyperbyte> Server turned off?
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| 00:48 | LOL
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| 00:48 | <Hec-Thor_> i said to you earlier i was able to ping
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| 00:48 | it was true, from server to client
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| 00:48 | never thought the other way around
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| 00:49 | so, dhcp was not so good
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| 00:49 | * Hyperbyte slaps Hec-Thor_ around a bit with a rather large type of fish | |
| 00:50 | <Hyperbyte> So, it's all working now? :-)
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| 00:50 | <Hec-Thor_> like a charm
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| 00:51 | cant thank you enough
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| 00:51 | <Hyperbyte> You're welcome. I always like it when people venture into Linux. :-)
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| 00:55 | <Hec-Thor_> lets hope i stick around, what is a fact it's that im installing lubuntu in my desktop, firefox eats the shit out of my win7
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| 00:58 | <Hyperbyte> I'm not entirely sure if it'll be much better in Ubuntu, Firefox is a resource hog everywhere.
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| 00:58 | <Hec-Thor_> im so happy i can finally sleep - i was trying to make it work waaaay before i got to your conversation with jujubee
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| 00:58 | <Hyperbyte> Although Ubuntu itself will use less memory than Windows 7, so you'll have more free for Firefox. :-)
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| 00:58 | <Hec-Thor_> any recommendations?
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| 00:58 | <Hyperbyte> How much ram do you have?
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| 00:59 | 2GB or more?
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| 00:59 | <Hec-Thor_> in the server, yea
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| 00:59 | in my desk 1gb
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| 01:00 | but here in lubuntu i open lots of tabs and its still 400 mb
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| 01:00 | firefox
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| 01:00 | in windows its like that for 3 tabs
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| 01:00 | i have noticed that always in many soft like gsn3
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| 01:01 | vbox
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| 01:01 | <Hyperbyte> Could be that memory management in Linux is better with Firefox than in Windows.
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| 01:02 | <Hec-Thor_> you think?
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| 01:02 | haha
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| 01:03 | i still cant believe it was a dhcp mistake
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| 01:03 | and think i once was a cisco certified
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| 01:04 | what happened
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| 01:04 | haha
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| 01:05 | <Hyperbyte> :P
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| 01:05 | <Hec-Thor_> hey, i'll let you work now, thanks again
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| 01:05 | <Hyperbyte> How about sleep?
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| 01:05 | It's 02:05
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| 01:05 | AM.
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| 01:05 | :-)
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| 01:06 | <Hec-Thor_> let's go with that lol
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| 01:06 | c ya
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| 13:15 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, good day!
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| 13:48 | <Hec-Thor> !dhcp
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| 13:48 | <ltsp`> dhcp: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP
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| 13:49 | <Hec-Thor> !isc dhcp server
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| 13:49 | <ltsp`> Error: "isc" is not a valid command.
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| 13:49 | <Hec-Thor> !dhcp server
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| 13:49 | <ltsp`> Error: "dhcp" is not a valid command.
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| 13:49 | <Hec-Thor> !dhcp-server
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| 13:49 | <ltsp`> Error: "dhcp-server" is not a valid command.
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| 13:51 | <Hec-Thor> !usb
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| 13:51 | <ltsp`> usb: LTSP only supports usb filesystem devices, for other projects like http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ probably this isn't the correct channel to ask, not many people have mentioned it
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| 13:52 | <Hec-Thor> !printer
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| 13:52 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'printer', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclient-printers', 'fat-printers'
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| 13:52 | <Hec-Thor> !thin-printer
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| 13:52 | <ltsp`> Error: "thin-printer" is not a valid command.
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| 13:53 | <Hec-Thor> !fatclient-printers
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| 13:53 | <ltsp`> fatclient-printers: You can publish printers on your network so that fat clients see them, by launching "system-config-printer" and selecting Server → Settings → Publish shared printers connected to this system
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| 13:53 | <Hec-Thor> !fat-printers
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| 13:53 | <ltsp`> fat-printers: to publish your server's printers so that fat clients can use them, from http://localhost:631/admin on your server, check v: vagrantc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!! Share printers connected to this system. Or use system-config-printer if you have Gnome.
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| 14:15 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 14:15 | Printer issues I guess.
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> Hi Hyperbyte
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| 14:18 | !cups
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| 14:18 | <ltsp`> cups: Recent cups versions have issues with the hostname, either set 'ServerAlias server' in <server>/etc/cups/cupsd.conf, or 'CUPS_SERVER="$SERVER"' in lts.conf so that it's accessed by its ip
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Nah I committed that one upstream...
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| 14:21 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe !forget it then?
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Once it reaches Ubuntu LTS versions, sure
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| 14:22 | It's sad that we're not allowed to backport newer ltsp versions to previous ubuntu releases
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| 15:26 | <markit> hi alkisg :) Just for simple smalltalk, if you have time, how is the "wayland thing" planned to be used by ltsp? Probably will be at 18.04 times so no hurry I guess
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Hi markit, I think the "remote desktop" thing is still on the wayland TODO list
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| 16:12 | So for fat clients it should work fine with ltsp, while for thin clients, it's up to the wayland developers to implement something
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> vagrantc, Phantomas: hi guys, do you have time this week to work on testing/releasing ltsp/epoptes etc?
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| 17:46 | * alkisg does have time this week... | |
| 17:47 | <Phantomas> alkisg: Sure, I'm already working on some network benchmark details for epoptes
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> Nice! I'm planning on committing a couple of things for ldm/ltsp, and then I can start testing things...
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sure, i can put some time in
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> Great
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| 18:31 | <Maijin> Ouch, just did the "ltsp-build-client --dist=precise" and it worked, then the thin client boot, but now I am stuck on a weird screen displaying Busybox v1.18.5 ... (initramfs) _
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| 18:31 | and full of ££
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| 18:36 | <Trym> My LTSP server makes me go crazy -help
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| 18:38 | <quinox> we're here to help
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| 18:40 | * vagrantc isn't entirely sure sane is a good route anyways | |
| 18:40 | <Trym> Have had LTSP server running for many years. Starting to get old fasioned. Howto upgrade to new version but not mess up the configuration? I use two nic and ubuntu 12.04.
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> Maijin: probably the nbd server isn't configured?
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| 18:41 | Maijin: or you don't have DHCP pointing to the LTSP server for NBD ? although if tftp boot worked... that seems unlikely
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| 18:42 | Maijin: depends on your DHCP setup
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| 18:42 | <Maijin> vagrantc: So basically, Network config was working before on the 14.04 chroot
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| 18:43 | vagrantc: before this initramfs stuff, I got the Ubuntu logo and bootscreen
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| 18:44 | And I've just tried "exec startx" and got a kernel panic :/
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> Maijin: isn't precise ubuntu 12.04 ?
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> exec startx from the initramfs would definitely kernel panic, as it failed to mount the root filesystem
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| 18:46 | <Maijin> vagrantc: What I meant is, I have tried 14.04
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| 18:46 | and it worked
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> so there's no startx available ... on top of that, "exec startx" isn't how LTSP should start
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| 18:47 | <Maijin> but I got some client that didn't support 14.04 (PAE) so I ltsp-build-client --dist=precise to get the 12.04
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> oh, does 12.04 support named NBD exports?
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| 18:47 | or is it still port-based NBD?
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| 18:48 | * vagrantc doesn't quite remember all the ubuntu versions and what features are supported | |
| 18:48 | <vagrantc> Maijin: your server is 14.04 ?
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| 18:48 | <Maijin> yes
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| 18:58 | vagrantc: yes*
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> at a rough glance, it looks like 12.04 had support for named NBD exports...
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| 19:07 | both in LTSP and in NBD
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| 19:08 | Maijin: is your LTSP server your DHCP server?
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| 19:08 | <Maijin> yes
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> Maijin: is your server i386 or amd64?
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| 19:08 | <Maijin> the server is amd64
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| 19:08 | (at least the version of ubuntu installed is)
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> Maijin: please paste the output of ltsp-info --verbose to a pastebin:
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| 19:09 | !pastebin | echo Maijin
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| 19:09 | <ltsp`> Maijin pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 19:10 | <Maijin> vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/pBQ9LEuS
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> Maijin: could you re-paste with "sudo ltsp-info --verbose" ?
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| 19:11 | <Maijin> oups
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| 19:11 | sorry :)
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> no problem
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| 19:12 | it should have given more information without sudo ... hrm.
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| 19:12 | <Maijin> vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/marY16Qz
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| 19:12 | vagrantc: should tell you, if you want more info run as root
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> Maijin: do you know where dhcp is configured? isc-dhcp-server or dnsmasq?
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| 19:16 | Maijin: might be /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 19:16 | <Maijin> vagrantc: /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 19:16 | yes
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> could you paste that?
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| 19:17 | <Maijin> vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/n8QnSba1
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> Maijin: do you have an i386 file in /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/ ?
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| 19:22 | <Maijin> vagrantc: http://pastebin.com/MD71DQyK
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> Maijin: do you have another DHCP server on the network, like a cable/DSL router?
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| 19:24 | <Maijin> nop
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> are you sure?
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| 19:25 | <Maijin> yes, is on a separated switch
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> i'm at a loss
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| 19:26 | everything looks fine from what i can tell
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| 19:27 | <Maijin> :/
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what sort of bugs in ltsp were you intent on fixing?
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| 20:33 | alkisg: i'm experiencing lots of troubles with poweroff/reboot ... when running under systemd, poweroff and reboot don't work at all, but systemctl poweroff appears to yank the rootfs too early
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| 20:33 | which there was a bug about that, i guess
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I was planning to upload https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151
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| 21:00 | It's not perfect, but I think it's better than what we have now
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| 21:01 | About systemd, yes, let me get you the 2 related bugs, they're fixed in Ubuntu but I'm not sure if they're released in Debian yet...
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| 21:02 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=809166
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| 21:02 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1492546
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| 21:03 | If you do e.g. RCFILE_01="chmod -x /sbin/ifdown", does it shutdown properly then?
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| 21:05 | Trym: just upgrade your server and chroot to 14.04
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| 21:06 | Maijin: did you add the greek schools ppa to your chroot sources?
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| 21:06 | !greek-schools-ppa
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| 21:06 | <ltsp`> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 21:11 | <markit> alkisg: btw, is there anything ready for 16.04 experimentation?
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| 21:11 | <alkisg> markit: if you add the greek schools ppa, 16.04 should work fine
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| 21:11 | <markit> alkisg: fabolous, thanks a lot :)
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| 21:12 | I've to reboot, bye
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> bb
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| 21:14 | <Maijin> alkisg: what
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| 21:14 | how can I add that ?
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| 21:26 | <alkisg> Maijin: ltsp-chroot -m
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| 21:27 | add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr
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| 21:27 | apt-get update
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| 21:27 | apt-get dist-upgrade
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| 21:27 | exit
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| 21:27 | ltsp-update-image
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| 21:28 | Maijin: unfortunately ltsp isn't very well maintained in ubuntu, so I support it via a PPA, so personally I recommend it to all Ubuntu/LTSP users
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| 21:36 | <Hyperbyte> mhmmmmm
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| 21:52 | <Maijin> alkisg: it ask about disconnecting all nbd devices on "stop" ?
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| 21:52 | yes/no
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| 21:52 | <alkisg> Press enter, it's irrelevant
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| 21:52 | <Maijin> k
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| 21:53 | I'll give a look at all this stuff, I've never about all of this :D
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| 21:53 | interesting
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| 21:57 | alkisg: awesome
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| 21:57 | :D
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| 22:29 | <Maijin> alkisg: I have added a Password/Username in my lts.conf and update image, but is say that password incorrect, is this not the way to proceed?
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| 22:30 | <alkisg> Maijin: What are your lts.conf contents now? Put them to pastebin, of course change your password to XXX
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| 22:31 | <Maijin> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/jCVDxFb3
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| 22:35 | <alkisg> Maijin: the username/password will only take effect if you also use LDM_GUESTLOGIN or LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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| 22:35 | Can you login from LDM?
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| 22:35 | <Maijin> alkisg: LDM provide me an interface yes
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| 22:36 | if that's the question
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| 22:36 | <alkisg> Can you login successfully from there?
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| 22:36 | <Maijin> no
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| 22:36 | Do i need to add LDM_GUESTLOGIN or LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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| 22:36 | and retest
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| 22:36 | maybe
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| 22:36 | <alkisg> No
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| 22:36 | <Maijin> I've tried autologin but it loops indefinitely
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| 22:36 | <alkisg> Those are for automating login
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| 22:37 | <Maijin> yes That's why I've tried
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> If you can't login, you surely won't be able to login automatically
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| 22:37 | You first need to login manualy
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| 22:37 | <Maijin> and I've also tried to login via command line
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> Put only this in lts.conf:
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| 22:37 | [default]
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| 22:37 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 22:37 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 22:37 | Reboot, then press alt+ctrl+f2 to switch to the console
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| 22:37 | And ping me for the rest instructions
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| 22:40 | <Maijin> ok
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| 22:40 | I'm on ldm
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| 22:40 | switching to shell
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| 22:40 | alkisg: ping
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| 22:41 | <alkisg> There, try: ssh user@server
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| 22:41 | Replace "user" with an existing username
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| 22:41 | Leave "server" exactly as it is, don't replace it with anything
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| 22:41 | Can you login to the server via ssh as instructed?
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| 22:42 | <Maijin> roflol, just fucked up with the layout and it segfault wait, i'm retrying ;)
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| 22:43 | alkisg: yep works
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| 22:43 | <alkisg> Did you get a prompt about trusting the keys etc?
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| 22:44 | Did it ask you to type "yes/no"?
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| 22:44 | <Maijin> yep
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| 22:44 | Yep I can connect if that's the question
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| 22:44 | <alkisg> OK anyway, let's go to the next step
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| 22:44 | alt+ctrl+f7
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| 22:44 | from ldm's preferences menu, select "session", and select the xterm session
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| 22:44 | Then put the username/password you used in the shell
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| 22:45 | If you succeed, you'll get an xterm window
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| 22:45 | <Maijin> yep
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| 22:45 | alkisg: works
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| 22:45 | <alkisg> Does it say user@server or user@ltsp123?
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| 22:45 | (the terminal prompt)
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| 22:46 | <Maijin> user@server (hostname of the server)
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| 22:46 | <alkisg> OK then it's a thin chroot
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| 22:46 | (or thin client)
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| 22:46 | Now let's see the available sessions
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| 22:47 | On the server, so that you can copy/paste more easily: grep -r ^Exec /usr/share/xsessions/
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| 22:47 | Paste the output here
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| 22:48 | <Maijin> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/NMsgjSMz
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| 22:49 | <alkisg> On the client, what happens if you run /usr/lib/gnome-panel/gnome-session-flashback
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| 22:49 | ?
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| 22:49 | And, did you put the greek schools ppa on your server as well?
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| 22:50 | (not only in the chroot)
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| 22:50 | <Maijin> alkisg: oh nop, should I ?
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| 22:50 | alkisg: oh it works
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| 22:50 | <alkisg> Yes, ltsp in ubuntu is broken
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| 22:50 | <Maijin> "/usr/lib/gnome-panel/gnome-session-flashback"
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| 22:50 | I got a session
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| 22:51 | <alkisg> It sounds that you have a couple of bugs that I solved a while ago, but they won't be published to ubuntu previous versions
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| 22:51 | So just add the ppa to your server and dist-upgrade
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| 22:51 | <Maijin> ok
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| 22:53 | <Maijin> well see :)
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| 22:53 | *we'll
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| 22:53 | <Maijin> Did edubuntu people try their stuff before releasing :P
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| 22:54 | <alkisg> Edubuntu is dying, 16.04 will probably be the last release
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| 22:54 | <Maijin> :( ok
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| 22:55 | alkisg: what do you suggest ? Installing ltsp on a debian and install all the packets from edubuntu separately
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| 22:55 | ?
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| 22:55 | or even Ubuntu
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| 22:56 | there is probably a ppa for edubuntu
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| 22:56 | stuff*
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| 22:57 | <alkisg> Maijin: my ppa is suitable for edubuntu, sure
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| 22:58 | When you say "install the packages from edubuntu", do you mean the educational applications?
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| 22:58 | <Maijin> alkisg: yop
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| 22:58 | <alkisg> Those are not "packages from edubuntu"
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| 22:58 | <Maijin> there is probably a meta package for that
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| 22:58 | or a script
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| 22:58 | <alkisg> Edubuntu uses them, the same as any other distribution
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| 22:58 | Any number of packages is just an apt-get install command away
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| 22:58 | <Maijin> yep probably
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| 23:02 | <gbaman> vagrantc: Any suggestions from the question relating to udev stuff with LTSP the other evening?
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| 23:04 | Or alkisg (or anyone else), having a weird issue with LTSP, given it seems to be ignoring a udev rule that seems to run perfectly fine when run on Raspbian, but not when run an LTSP fat client? The rule simply sets the new /dev/gpiomem device's owner to the gpio group, but it doesn't seem to be running.
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| 23:04 | <Maijin> alkisg: ok
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| 23:04 | just log in with ldm
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| 23:04 | using my server user/passw
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| 23:05 | :D
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| 23:05 | <alkisg> Maijin: so everything's fine? Nice! :)
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| 23:05 | <Maijin> Yep
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| 23:05 | Awesome
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| 23:05 | I'll document all of this
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| 23:05 | alkisg: for the config of the lts.conf
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| 23:05 | what do you suggest ?
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| 23:05 | <alkisg> What do you mean?
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| 23:06 | <Maijin> alkisg: If I want to add user I can use lts.conf or adduser
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| 23:06 | <alkisg> You can use the graphical tool for adding users on the server
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| 23:06 | <Maijin> I don't really get the difference
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| 23:07 | alkisg: the default ubuntu stuff?
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| 23:07 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 23:07 | <Maijin> ok
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| 23:07 | perfect
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| 23:07 | I'll show that to the people there
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| 23:07 | should be easy
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| 23:07 | <alkisg> Maijin: run this:
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| 23:07 | sudo ltsp-config lts.conf --overwrite
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| 23:07 | This will give you a "better" default lts.conf
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| 23:08 | It'll overwrite your own, you can then adjust it
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| 23:08 | The most important directive there is 'LDM_DIRECTX=True', gives you speed with some security cost
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| 23:09 | Time for bed, goodnight all...
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| 23:09 | <Maijin> alkisg: ok I see
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| 23:10 | <Maijin> alkisg_away: awesome thanks for all those advices ;)
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| 23:25 | <Maijin> fuck it's too slow on the old thin client xD
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