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Channel log from 5 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:08 | <muttley> i have an ISA sound card on my thin client...and sound don't work.
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| 02:09 | how can find this setting for my sound card: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" (http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SoundCards)
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| 02:45 | <tarzeau> daduke: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories
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| 03:03 | <dipeshmehta> hello all,
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| 03:04 | I have installed LTS server on my Ubuntu 8.04 Server, but at PXE Client, I am not getting gui / x-server interface, can anybody please help me out?
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| 03:50 | <alkisg> Is there any way to disable flow control on RTL8169? It doesn't support ethtool and with `modinfo r8169|grep ^parm` I can't see any relevant parameters. It does support mii-tool, but I don't see any option in mii-tool to disable flow control...
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| 03:52 | <EXP__> In 8.04 and ltsp is it possiblte to change ltsp lofin screen language?
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| 03:52 | login
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| 03:53 | <alkisg> I don't think so, it was fixed in 8.10
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| 03:56 | <EXP__> is it hard coded to a file, I changed earlier in 7.10 or 7.04 some file where those thing were hardcoded to a file
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| 03:57 | <Appiah> isn't that controled by gdm?
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| 03:59 | <EXP__> LTSP logins don't use GDM (Gnome Display Manager) at all. Instead LDM (Local Display Manager) is used.
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| 04:00 | <Appiah> ah
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| 04:00 | correct
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| 04:00 | <EXP__> I tried to change LDM_LANGUAGE="fi_FI.UTF-8"
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| 04:00 | in lts.conf
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| 04:01 | <EXP__> but that did not change login screen language
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| 04:10 | <alkisg> EXP__ (in case you read the logs :)): I think the patch you're looking for is this one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/896
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| 05:19 | <muttley> how can find my setting for my sound card: ex. SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" (http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SoundCards)
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| 05:37 | <ogra> stgraber, sorry, i wont have time for that before A6
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| 05:37 | <ogra> stgraber, seb128 might be able to help though
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| 05:38 | <greenmang0> i have installed LTSP5 on Debian, the client keeps on loading nbi.img
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| 05:38 | what can be the possible solution?
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| 05:39 | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto <- i followed this link
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| 05:39 | ogra, ^^
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| 05:41 | <greenmang0> ping *
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| 05:42 | can anybody help me ?
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| 05:43 | <chrisjrob> this is defined in your /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf - specifies the filename to use.
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| 05:44 | <greenmang0> chrisjrob, i have tried connecting server and client directly with crossover cable, and it worked
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| 05:44 | chrisjrob, but if i try through switch it doesn't
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| 05:47 | <greenmang0> yelp
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| 05:49 | yelp
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| 05:50 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, you possibly have another dhcp server running somewhere
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| 05:51 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, ok. i need to check
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| 06:11 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, ok, i tried "dhclient eth0" and a router in our network has assigned it an IP
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| 06:11 | cyberorg, i switched router off
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| 06:11 | cyberorg, and tried again , but no luck
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| 06:12 | cyberorg, nbi.img keeps on loading
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| 06:13 | <ogra> if you mean the "filename: ... " output, thats normal, ignore it
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| 06:13 | it shows that even with pxe
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| 06:14 | because the kernel sends a second dhcp request and gets that as answer with pxe
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| 06:14 | (while the actual kernel already loaded via the first pxe request)
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| 06:14 | <greenmang0> ogra, yeah, but client takes around an hour to boot
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| 06:15 | ogra, since yesterday i have been trying to solve the problem w/o luck
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| 06:15 | <ogra> try to add break=top to your pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 06:15 | if it stops at an initramfs prompt you can be sure its loading pxe
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| 06:15 | <greenmang0> ogra, if i connect client-server with crossover cable, it works fine
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| 06:16 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, look for more dhcp servers in your network
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| 06:16 | if you have managed switch, check its settings too
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| 06:18 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, what I actually did is, disconnected all the machines in network, put off router, i could see only 2 leds blinking on switch,
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| 06:18 | client and server
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| 06:18 | cyberorg, it didn't boot
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| 06:43 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, any other clue?
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| 06:44 | <ogra> did you try my suggestion ?
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| 06:46 | <greenmang0> ogra, yeah
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| 06:46 | <ogra> so do you get to an initramfs prompt ?
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| 06:46 | <greenmang0> it takes at least 20 minutes to load nbi.img
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| 06:46 | <ogra> so do you get to an initramfs prompt ?
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| 06:47 | else your dhcp setup is broken
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| 07:12 | <greenmang0> ogra, i didn't get initramfs prompt
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| 07:13 | <ogra> well, then change your dhcp setup if you are sure your clients are pxe
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| 07:13 | <greenmang0> i edited /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:13 | <ogra> and appended break=top ?
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| 07:13 | to the line
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| 07:13 | <greenmang0> and put DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs break=top
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| 07:13 | <ogra> right
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| 07:14 | so if you are sure your clients are PXE, remove the etherboot stuff from your dhcpd config
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| 07:14 | <greenmang0> client just's halts' for 20 minutes at "Loading 192.168.0.192:/ltsp/i386/nbi.img ... (ELF)........
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| 07:15 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, grep nbi.img /etc/* -R
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| 07:16 | <greenmang0> ogra, http://paste.debian.net/29812/ <- /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 07:16 | <cyberorg> run that on the server with 192.168.0.192 IP
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| 07:16 | <greenmang0> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf: filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 07:16 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.bkp: filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 07:16 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf: filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 07:17 | <ogra> remove line 18+19 and 20-22
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| 07:17 | and try again
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| 07:17 | that way you only serve pxe
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| 07:17 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, make a symlink from /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 07:18 | <greenmang0> ogra, cyberorg ok
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| 07:18 | <cyberorg> and what ogra said
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| 07:18 | <alkisg> greenmang0: don't remove 19...
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| 07:19 | <ogra> err, indeed
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| 07:19 | 18 and 20-22
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| 07:19 | just comment them
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| 07:19 | so you can change back
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> (but if it needs 20 minutes to load nbi.img, maybe it's a tftp problem? He could check with a standalone PC, by installing/running tftp client and doing "bin" and "get /ltsp/i386/nbi.img"...)
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| 07:20 | <greenmang0> ogra, ok
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| 07:21 | ogra, there's a bootrom socket on my nic, i bought some pxe bootroms yesterday to get it working
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| 07:21 | <cyberorg> i never could get the idea of having two dhcpd.conf, it just confuses people
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| 07:23 | <ogra> cyberorg, if debian *uses* the one in /etc/ltsp thats a bug ...
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| 07:23 | its only there as example on debian
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| 07:23 | <cyberorg> then it should be named dhcpd.conf.example just to make sure it is not used as it is :)
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| 07:24 | <ogra> file a bug in debian :)
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| 07:24 | <cyberorg> i'll bug vagrantc when he comes here ;)
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| 07:24 | <greenmang0> ogra, didn't help
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| 07:25 | cyberorg, do we really need /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 07:25 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, as ogra said, no
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| 07:26 | <ogra> on ubuntu its used, on debian its just an example
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| 07:26 | <greenmang0> ok
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| 07:27 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, http://paste.debian.net/29814/ try this, dont forget to restart dhcpd
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| 07:28 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, ok
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| 07:29 | cyberorg, do i need to restart other services? openbsd-inetd, tftp-hpa nfs-kernel-server?
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| 07:29 | <cyberorg> no
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| 07:33 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, now it's loading vmlinuz
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| 07:33 | :(
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| 07:33 | last 4 minutes
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> greenmang0: do you have a standalone pc to test the speed of your tftp server?
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> i.e. tftp server; bin; get /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz ?
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| 07:34 | <greenmang0> alkisg, i do
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| 07:34 | but alkisg how do i test it?
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> I've heard of other people having this problem, and it was due to wrong tftpd params...
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| 07:35 | Install the client, tftp-hpa
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| 07:35 | <greenmang0> alkisg, ok
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> aptitude install tftp-hpa
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| 07:35 | Then tftp <ip-of-your-server>
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| 07:35 | Then, inside tftp, do: bin
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| 07:35 | And: get /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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| 07:35 | <greenmang0> alkisg, ok
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| 07:35 | ok
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| 07:36 | got you
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> And time it - if it takes 2 secs, it's ok, if it needs more than 1 minute... :)
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| 07:38 | <greenmang0> alkisg, you are right
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| 07:38 | 1 minute boundry crossed
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| 07:38 | alkisg, what do i do now?
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> Then it maybe a tftp-server problem. Which one are you using?
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| 07:39 | <greenmang0> then one which comes default
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| 07:39 | tftp-hpa
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> hm... and you said that if you use a cross-over cable, then it's fast?
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| 07:40 | <greenmang0> alkisg, yeah
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| 07:41 | <ogra> sounds like a prob with the switch
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| 07:42 | <greenmang0> alkisg, that standalone dude is still downloading the image
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| 07:42 | alkisg, oh,,, completed
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> ...or the pxe stack... difficult... greenmang0: sorry, can't help, I've heard this problem happening with other tftp servers, but not with tftpd-hpa...
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| 07:43 | <ogra> might be an inetd issue though
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| 07:45 | <greenmang0> alkisg, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian <- recommends atftpd
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> greenmang0: sorry, I haven't used ltsp in debian, I don't know what to tell you. After the 10-20 minutes it takes to load the kernel and initrd, does the client boot fast?
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| 07:46 | <greenmang0> it takes more than 1 hour to boot
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> So even nfs is slow?
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| 07:47 | <greenmang0> alkisg, how can i determine?
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> -to put this another way- after it boots, does it run OK?
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| 07:48 | <greenmang0> alkisg, actually after an hour i just got mouse pointer on display,,, LDM didn't come
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> (erm, what I mean is: do you have other problems with your network? If you do ssh / if you copy files over the network, is it fast?)
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| 07:49 | <greenmang0> alkisg, yeah indeed
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| 07:49 | i mean
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| 07:49 | no problem with ssh scp
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| 07:49 | ogra, I got initramfs just now
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| 07:50 | after cyberorg gave me new dhcpd.conf,
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| 07:54 | <ogra> btw, how much ram do your clients have ?
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| 07:54 | (and what kind of CPU)
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| 07:55 | <greenmang0> time to leave office, or watchman will start calling me names...
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| 07:55 | ogra, celeron
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| 07:55 | <ogra> and ram ?
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| 07:55 | <greenmang0> ogra, 512
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| 07:55 | <ogra> you should have more than 64M to make it work at all
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| 07:55 | ok, thats fine
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| 07:56 | <greenmang0> thanks guys, ogra cyberorg alkisg , see you tomorrow, be there to help me...
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| 07:57 | i will have to get it working
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> greenmang0: good luck :)
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| 07:57 | (I'd try changing tftpd, then the switch, then loading a the ltsp kernel from hd)
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| 07:57 | * ogra wouldnt change tftpd | |
| 07:57 | <ogra> tftpd-hpa works for everyone else ...
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| 08:33 | <Neaai> Hi all. I am strugling still to get the client machine to have access to its local hard disk. I've searched around and followed http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2539065 , Chapter 24 Apendix I. What am I missing or where can I look for what's wrong ?
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> !distro
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| 08:33 | <ltspbot> Gadi: Error: "distro" is not a valid command.
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> Neaai: what distro and version of ltsp
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| 08:35 | <Neaai> Gadi: I'm using Debian 5 (lenny) and it's prebundled ltsp of version 5.1.10
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> ah - we deny access to local hard drive by default (security risk)
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| 08:37 | let me look up the lts.conf param to allow it...
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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| 08:38 | put that in your lts.conf
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| 08:38 | be aware that anyone who logs in will have complete access to all files on that hard drive
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| 08:39 | <Neaai> Gadi: I see. My need for that is that I want to deploy ltsp in an ofice, currently running Windoze. They have a lot of files they currently work with and documnts migration could be very easy once the system is deploied. Once that is done, I'll disable it again.
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| 08:39 | Gadi: got your point. Let me have a look and a try.
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 08:39 | :)
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| 08:39 | <Neaai> thx :)
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:49 | So, yesterday, I think I may have finally figured out the bug that's been kicking my butt for the last 2 months.
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| 08:49 | Problem was garbled fonts when printing out docs from OO.o
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| 08:50 | It's looking like Bistream Vera Sans was the problem. So far, if we switch to DejaVu Sans, the problem doesn't come up.
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| 08:56 | <wigwam> please, i use ltsp with ubuntu
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| 08:56 | when i login to ldm on thin client as admin user, i can't unlock gnome administration tools
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| 08:57 | it's possible to change it somewhere?
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| 08:57 | somehow?
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> wigwam: No, it's a known issue.
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| 08:58 | You'll either have to do the administration from the server console, or, us command-line tools.
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| 09:00 | wigwam: The problem is, the admin tools interact with console-kit, but console-kit isn't remote display aware.
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| 09:02 | * ogra is always impressed how sbalneav can put complex issues in such simple words :) | |
| 09:03 | <sbalneav> I have to put them in simple words: I have a simple mind :)
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| 09:03 | Morning oga!
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| 09:05 | <ogra> good $timeofday
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> How can I disable flow-control in RTL8169 (or other NICs that do not support ethtool)? r8169 does support mii-tool, but I don't think mii-tool supports switching flow-control off...
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> module option?
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> modinfo r8169 | grep parm => nothing relevant :(
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| 09:14 | Would I have any chance emailing the r8169 devs? :'( Or, how difficult would compiling r8169 from source be?
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Are these nic's on board?
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> sbalneav: no
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> How many of them do you have?
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> But realteks are really common in Greek labs, so I'd like to find a solution, not just replace the nic...
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> realteks are the ford pinto of the networking world.
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| 09:37 | You'd be better off simply disabling flow control on the switch
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> My switch is unmanaged :(
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| 09:37 | I think I can fiddle with the r8169.c source to disable flow control, but how can I compile it to produce r8169.ko ?
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| 09:38 | <Ahmuck-Jr> hi. i'm having trouble with hplip monitor, highlighting in firefox, copy/paste from firefox to word, etc
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> What? It's complicated enough to have FLOW CONTROL but doesn't have a web or telnet or SNMP interface? I find that hard to beleive.
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> Yup, let me give you a link...
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| 09:39 | That's the one: http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.613829 (ZYXEL ES-1124 24-PORT UNMANAGED FAST ETHERNET SWITCH WITH 2 GIGABIT PORTS)
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| 09:39 | I've read the manual, send an email to zyxel, nothing - I'm stuck with flow control on :)
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> What port is it doing flow control on? Just the gigabit port?
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| 09:40 | Or all ports?
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> I don't know, but I have to connect the server to the gigabit port to have >100mbps overall bandwidth
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| 09:40 | So I've just tried with the server on the gigabit ports
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| 09:40 | <Neaai> Ok, I did add the LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False in the lts.conf file but the client machine doesn't seem to see the local hard disk. Any ideas ?
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> And the server is the machine with the 8169?
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> Yes.
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> A server/.
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| 09:41 | With an 8169
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> Neaai: under the [default] section?
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| 09:41 | <nicros> anyone know why i would get "Device etherd!e0.1 not handled" when i run mkinitrd?
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> sbalneav: I also have some intel gigabit nics, tried with them and everything worked fine (they support ethtool), I'm just looking for a solution for r8169, if I can find it of course...
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> No buffering in the card, no interrupt queing? Dude, spend 100 bucks and get like an Intel or something card for the server.
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| 09:42 | <Neaai> Gadi: yes. Sorry for my disconnection before. It was unintended.
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> Server's not the place to have a cheap network card.
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| 09:42 | If you have an intel card on the server, then you could control the flow control.
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> sbalneav: I didn't see any performance difference when I compared r8169 to e1000 in another (gigabit only) lab...
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| 09:43 | ...and some motherboards have built-in realtek NICs, that's why I"m looking for a solutions
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| 09:43 | Not even CPU usage difference, in old clients...
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| 09:44 | <Neaai> Gadi: to be consistent, my conf file is at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> Neaai: thats correct - debian uses NFS
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| 09:44 | so, that's where it should be
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| 09:45 | are the hard drives ntfs?
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> Well, my recommendation would be to either fix the switch, or fix the cards. Playing around with a kernel driver means you're going to have to constantply maintain a patch. Your time's worth something, too.
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> Neaai: I would create a password for root in the chroot and login at the terminal to debug further
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| 09:45 | <Neaai> Gadi: Well no. The test machine is another debian with just the barebone system installed but which has the first boot device to be the network card.
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> And I have, years ago, measured E100 vs 8139 cards, and the E100's had significantly fewer interrupts/second.
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> sbalneav: yeah, I guess you're right, I should have a limit in trying to find the cheapest solutions... :P Thanks!
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> Well, there comes a point where cheaping out does you no good. Having decent network hardware in a thin client environment just makes sense.
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| 09:47 | Simplest solution for you would be to just replace the switch with either a managed one that you can crontol, or an unmanaged one with no flow control.
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Or buy an Intel NIC for 25€... :)
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> That too.
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> I saw a _great_ improvement with flow-control off, from 90mbps bandwidth before (measured on the server) => to 900mbps after!
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| 09:51 | <Neaai> Gadi: that password in the chroot, I guess I'll have to restart the client to have it working properly.
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| 09:51 | <nicros> where does mkinitrd get the "Resume device" from?
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| 09:52 | <cyberorg> nicros, you were looking for suse people?
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| 09:52 | <nicros> looking for anyone familiar with aoe :)
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| 09:53 | nobody on #suse knows anything about aoe
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> At some point it's a case of diminishing returns. I don't know wether you're a consultant or an employee, but hardware's cheap, and the amount of time you're going to spend: devising a patch, testing the patch, rolling a new kernel, then MAINTAINING that patch through every kernel upgrade that comes from your linux vendor (and, ideally, RE-TESTING every time too), you're gonna be able to justify it in time terms alone.
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| 09:53 | <cyberorg> saw this already? http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/AoE
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| 09:53 | <nicros> yea
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| 09:53 | <cyberorg> ok, got everything figured out? :)
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> sbalneav: I'm a teacher, but being one of the first here to try LTSP, I'm also being paid to write an installation manual. I just thought of adding a module option, and maybe hoping it could go upstream, but as you say, it's probably not worth it.
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| 09:58 | <cyberorg> nicros, if you dont have any questions i can leave :)
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| 09:59 | <nicros> i'm sooo lost right now :)
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| 10:08 | <Neaai> Gadi: By logging in at the ltsp terminal, I can see that the terminal itself can see the local disk partitions. I can mount them from there. But I can't see anything of the sort when some user logins normally. Still there's only the server's contents.
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| 10:13 | Any ideas how to get the ltsp client to see and access the local hardisk ?
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> Neaai: sorry - I have a meeting, but from the thin client console, run: getltscfg -a
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> and make sure your parameters are set as you expect
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| 10:24 | <Neaai> Gadi: no worries. Thanks so far for your patience :)
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| 10:28 | <Neaai> For the record, I have LOCALDEV="True" and LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS="False" and then these variables are exported.
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| 10:29 | env
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| 10:29 | ooops... sorry.
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| 10:38 | <din_os> so... changing the volume from one client, changes the volume from all clients, and server... correct? (8.04 i386)
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| 10:44 | <Neaai> din_os: what's a volume ?
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| 10:45 | <din_os> sorry, sound volume... the volume slider
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| 10:46 | if I reduce it from any client, it gets reduced everywhere... is that normal?
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| 10:47 | <Neaai> din_os: I don't know. I have disabled the sound in the server. Will not need it at all.
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| 10:49 | <Neaai> din_os: actually, when you play the sound, is it heared on the client or the server ?
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| 10:54 | <din_os> client
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| 10:57 | <Neaai> din_os: And which volume slider. The system mixer slider? Or say, vlc player's slider. You could try what happens.
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| 10:58 | <din_os> system mixer, the -e.g.- totem one works fine...
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| 10:58 | which seems to be natural, cause it's only an instance
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| 10:59 | anyway, maybe someone else knows if it's normal behaviour, I can wait :)
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| 11:01 | <Neaai> din_os: so seems that the system mixer controls the systemwide audio device before it gets redirected to a specific client. Anyone with rights to the system mixer would be able to change that and affect anyone else. I wonder, does that same thing happen when 2 people for eg. are logedin at the same time on the physical machine? Would one affect the other?
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| 11:02 | I haven't tried this, never thought of it.
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| 11:04 | <din_os> yeah, it probably does, but maybe there's a workaround? maybe not... it's not a major issue anyway
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| 11:08 | <din_os> it's just funny... some students play around with the classroom's sound from a single terminal. I guess I could disable the slider...
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| 11:09 | <porter1> Hey LTSP people :)
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| 11:09 | <ogra> din_os, hmm, the volume control usually works per user
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| 11:10 | <din_os> is it? hmm indeed
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| 11:10 | <ogra> you can hack around that, but the logged in user automaticallly only controls the client he is logged in to
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| 11:10 | the user session gets initiated with the PULSE_SERVER=<ip of client> variable
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| 11:11 | <ogra> that the volume control should only control what PULSE_SERVER= points to ... and since you are using different users each user has his own envorinment
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| 11:11 | usually i cant see another users env from one user
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| 11:12 | (assuming you use different users indeed (if not that would break a lot of other stuff as well))
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| 11:12 | <din_os> I do use different users, how can I troubleshoot?
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| 11:14 | <ogra> check the PULSE_SERVER variables of the users
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| 11:14 | <din_os> the PULSE_SERVER var would be the same or different for each?
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| 11:14 | <ogra> to make sure they really point to the clients
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| 11:14 | different
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| 11:15 | it should point to the client you are logged in at
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| 11:15 | <Neaai> is there any seting named LOCAL_STORAGE in the lts.conf file? I can't seem to see the client's disk after the login, yet.
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| 11:16 | <din_os> so a simple echo $PULSE_SERVER on the clients? would show me the way?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> in the running session
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| 11:18 | you need to be logged in to the desktop, run it in a gnome terminal
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| 11:18 | <din_os> not in ldm... in the session. ok
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| 11:18 | <ogra> env|grep PULSE
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| 11:21 | <din_os> ogra: ok, but hold on... I DO have separate sound on the clients. so that means that pulse IS communicating with each client separately. But I'll try it anyway on my lab tomorrow.
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| 11:26 | <Neaai> SOLVED: I'm able to see the client's local disk. After the lts.conf changes as mentioned, within Gnome I had to give the intended users the right to use FUSE filesystems. It translates classically to that user being part of group "fuse" (gid=118 in Debian).
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| 11:28 | It was mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 11:29 | and lo and behold, the example there mentions "ogra". :)
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| 11:29 | <ogra> i might have written it in the past :)
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| 11:30 | <Neaai> ogra: and it served me well indeed. Thanks for that. :) So now I can go for today and continue testing tomorrow.
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| 11:31 | <ogra> enjoy :)
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| 11:31 | <Neaai> byes all.
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| 12:42 | <nicros> is there an Easy-LTSP for SUSE 11.1?
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| 14:05 | <nicros> what do i need to put in my pxelinux.cfg/default confile file to boot off ltsp server?
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| 14:23 | <din_os> nicros: if you get busy box try IPAPPEND 3
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| 14:26 | <nicros> got the client to boot but it locks up and reboots
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| 14:26 | <din_os> do you get login screen on the client?
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| 14:26 | <nicros> on the green/gray openSUSE screen
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| 14:28 | ah getting "Failed to load network module !
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| 14:47 | <mushroomblue> anyone able to get LTSP and likewise to play nice?
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| 14:47 | just want to know if it's possible, before I spend the next 3 hours swearing at it. :)
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| 15:14 | <mushroomblue> I'll take that as "I dunno"
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| 15:15 | <Guest84310> well your sentence doesn't make sense on it's own
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| 15:15 | what is likewise?
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| 15:15 | lol
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| 15:23 | <mushroomblue> likewise is an application that allows unix users to connect to a windows Active Directory network.
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| 15:26 | question number 2: usb printers aren't being forwarded to the server. /dev/usb/lp0 is working on the client, but isn't being forwarded correctly.
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| 15:26 | is there more to it than the proper config in lts.conf
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| 15:26 | ?
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| 15:27 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set to /dev/usblp0, which is a symlink to /dev/usb/lp0
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> mushroomblue: LDM just uses ssh to log into the server, so if your authentication system works with ssh, it should work with LDM.
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| 15:28 | though you'll want to make sure that each user's default group is unique to that user.
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| 15:47 | <stgraber> vagrantc, Gadi1: Saw my ltspfs change ? any better way of fixing that bug ?
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| 15:47 | <Gadi1> saw it - is the problem that the value has spaces?
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| 15:48 | <stgraber> yes
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| 15:48 | it basically does: export variable=value1 value2 value3
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| 15:48 | and that fails unless it'd be: export variable="value1 value2 value3"
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| 15:49 | <Gadi1> stgraber: export "variable=value1 value2 value3"
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| 15:49 | works
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| 15:50 | perhaps just quote the $()
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| 15:50 | <stgraber> right but how would you do that on the line I changed ?
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| 15:50 | it's multiple lines not just one that gets exported
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| 15:50 | <Gadi1> export "$()"
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| 15:50 | does that not work?
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| 15:51 | <stgraber> that won't work as $() is multi-line
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| 15:58 | <Gadi1> eval "$(udevinfo -q env -n sda)"
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| 15:58 | does that work?
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| 15:58 | I need to find a working example to play with
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| 15:58 | :)
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| 15:59 | seems to be a bug in udevinfo if it doesnt return environment variables you can export
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| 15:59 | <stgraber> hang on a sec I'll pastebin the output I currently have
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| 16:01 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/126944
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| 16:01 | last line is the problem
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| 16:02 | an idea would be to loop through the output, split on the = and do the export again with the value between "
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| 16:03 | <johnny> oh lame :(
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| 16:11 | <Gadi1> eval "export $($udevinfo -qenv -n ${DEVICENAME})|sed -e 's/=/="/' -e 's/$/"/')"
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| 16:11 | that should do it
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| 16:11 | oops
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| 16:11 | syntax error
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| 16:12 | eval "export $($udevinfo -qenv -n ${DEVICENAME}|sed -e 's/=/="/' -e 's/$/"/')"
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| 16:12 | had an extra parentheses
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| 16:12 | :D
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| 16:20 | <Gadi1> stgraber: ping
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| 16:23 | <stgraber> Gadi1: pong
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| 16:23 | Gadi1: looks good, I'll try that when I get back home, don't have Jaunty here :(
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| 16:23 | but the sed looks good
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| 16:24 | <Gadi1> ok - you saw my commit with the sound volume adjust the other day, yes?
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| 16:24 | I tested it on another client hardware and had to tweak
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| 16:24 | should work nicely all around now
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| 16:25 | and you can adjust any channel volume in lts.conf if you know its name
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| 16:25 | * Gadi1 had hardware with no "Master" channel but a "Master Front" channel | |
| 16:25 | <Gadi1> can you believe it?
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| 16:25 | :)
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| 16:26 | so, now I can set it independently with: MASTER_FRONT_VOLUME
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| 16:26 | or just let it get the default value for VOLUME
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| 16:29 | <nicros> wow, there are a ton of people in here now :)
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| 16:30 | <nicros> i'm using this doc: http://en.opensuse.org/KIWI_Migrate to clone a system with openSUSE 11.1 on it, how do i take that image and make it deployed using kiwi and ltsp?
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| 16:31 | <stgraber> Gadi: I believe I have a similar soundcard somewhere (IBM thin client IIRC)
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| 17:06 | <mart_n> Hi there! I'm having trouble configuring my server so that I can access the local HD on a thin client. I'm using Ubuntu 8.04, and I followed all the steps described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices (ltspfs and ltspfsd are installed, LOCALDEV=TRUE and I'm in the fuse group). Any hints?
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| 19:23 | <stgraber> ogra: around ?
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| 19:23 | Gadi: ltspfs works fine with your fix thanks. Can you commit it ? (if not already done)
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| 19:30 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: is ltsp broken in unstable due to ldm-server being stuck in NEW? (iirc you said it is, but I don't remember well :P). if so, why did you upload to experimental?
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| 19:31 | and doesn't ldm-server need to "Replace" ltsp-server in addition to the Conflicts? iirc forgetting to do that is how I broke freegeek-extras that one time :P
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| 23:14 | <greenmang0> ogra, alkisg cyberorg
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| 23:15 | client took 10 minutes to boot, i could login through LDM, but its running slow
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| 23:18 | <dipeshmehta> hello all,
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| 23:19 | I have setup LTS on my Ubuntu 8.04 server, but at PXE-client, I go not get LDM login screen, as told in howto
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| 23:20 | can anybody here please help me?
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| 23:22 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, try another switch and new cables
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| 23:24 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, hmm... i need to talk to accounts dept :)
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| 23:24 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, not for testing, just borrow from someone
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| 23:25 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, there's only one switch, our office is small, 25 people
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| 23:25 | <cyberorg> what kind of switch have you got?
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| 23:26 | if it is a cheap hug or expensive managed switch you might run into these kind of issues
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| 23:26 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, what kind of means what?
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| 23:27 | <cyberorg> *cheap hub
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| 23:27 | as you say everything works fine with direct connection between client and server, so i blame switch/hub or the cables
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| 23:27 | there is nothing wrong with your server
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| 23:28 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, ok
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| 23:29 | cyberorg, i still wonder how does booting time reduced to 10 minutes
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| 23:29 | cyberorg, is it because pxeimage ? and not using nbi?
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| 23:31 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, i suspect huge amount of pack drops when the traffic goes via your switch, just find another to test, also change the cables when doing that
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| 23:31 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, sure
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: yes, ltsp-server in unstable doesn't have ldminfod, which is in ldm-server, which is stuck in NEW ... i picked experimental so i could continue to upload to unstable and not have to do weird things with the bzr packaging branches.
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| 23:56 | Ryan52: as soon as it's accepted in experimental, i'll be able to upload a version with ldm-server, which i'll likely do.
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| 23:56 | <Ryan52> ah, ok.
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| 23:56 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: and ldm-server definitely doesn't Replace ltsp-server, as it doesn't include ltsp-build-client or any number of other parts
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| 23:58 | <Ryan52> but do upgrades actually work?
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| 23:58 | * Ryan52 thought that Replaces applies if you are only partially replacing another package also | |
| 23:59 | <vagrantc> the conflicts should prevent the upgrade from breaking
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| 23:59 | it would seem really weird to declare a replaces when it only replaces a single file ...
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| 23:59 | <Ryan52> ah, ok.
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