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Channel log from 25 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <johnny> i could eat some..
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| 01:26 | <FuriousGeorge> johnny: hows the .ebuild coming?
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| 01:33 | <johnny> FuriousGeorge, better
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| 01:33 | much better
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| 01:34 | need to do another full build test
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| 01:34 | and i think i have one more piece to commit, but haven't verified
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| 01:42 | FuriousGeorge, i got local apps stuff merged in
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| 01:43 | figured out how to make sound work i think
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| 01:44 | <Pascal_1> bonjour
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| 02:16 | <johnny> FuriousGeorge, it would be nice to have some help in cleaning up the build file and cleaning up quickstart
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| 02:22 | <FuriousGeorge> johnny: sorry, sound was off
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| 02:22 | i just set up a client at home for my gf
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| 02:23 | johnny: i did re-emerge you build, but i didnt build a new client, so i dont know if any changes took
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| 02:23 | <johnny> no.. no changes took :)
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| 02:23 | you might be able to upgrade the chroot from the inside if you reinstall ltsp-client
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| 02:24 | <FuriousGeorge> ill just start it now
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| 02:26 | <FuriousGeorge> i tried *buntu's ltsp too, which was nice... it actually didnt work right at first, kept kicking me to the (initramfs) prompt, but then i rebooted the next day and voila
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| 02:27 | johnny: holy cow
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| 02:27 | # du -hs /opt/ltsp/x86/
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| 02:27 | 3.5G /opt/ltsp/x86/ <--is that nomral?
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| 02:27 | normal
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| 02:28 | most of it in usr
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| 02:28 | <johnny> sure, atm.. as you have a completely built kernel and it's sources in there
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| 02:29 | as well as various other header packages and build stuff that other distros don't require
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| 02:29 | <FuriousGeorge> wow, i never realized how big kernel source was
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| 02:29 | <johnny> and it has all the locales stuff.. etc
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| 02:31 | <johnny> hmm.. i have 3 kernels in there.. :)
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| 02:31 | no.. two
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| 02:32 | <FuriousGeorge> i'd offer to help with the quickstart and build file, but im not so familiar with that kind of nuts and bolts stuff
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| 02:33 | <johnny> well.. quickstart is just a shell script
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| 02:33 | <FuriousGeorge> i'd be happy to be a guinea pig. tho
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| 02:33 | <johnny> deleting one of the kernels .. and now i'm back down to 2.1g
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| 02:34 | <FuriousGeorge> profiles.qs?
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| 02:34 | <johnny> that's what quickstart reads
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| 02:35 | with no kernel source in there.. it's 1.4
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| 02:37 | <johnny> FuriousGeorge, , when i make the kernel stuff happen in the host system .. i think we'll see a much smaller chroot
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| 02:41 | FuriousGeorge, plus.. we have yet to actually use a generated squashfs image to serve up over nbd..
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| 02:41 | probably come down to a a few 100mb
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| 02:41 | for what the clients actually get
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| 02:41 | altho it doesn't really matter for nfs
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| 02:43 | <FuriousGeorge> just wanted to make sure, i can spare the disk space. in general though a fe hundred sounds reasonable to me
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| 02:43 | *few
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| 02:44 | <johnny> no.. the chroot itself will still have to be large
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| 02:44 | much larger than other distros
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| 02:44 | since it includes all the stuff to build packages, stuff that other distros don't need
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| 02:45 | technically. it's possible to do much of it from the host machine.. but it runs into trouble when trying to force x86 builds on an amd64 system
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| 02:45 | i'll get back to that at some point
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| 02:48 | plus.. there are some fixes to portage that are necessary in the way portage handles certain dependencies, so that binary package installs are possible
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| 02:48 | <FuriousGeorge> i had to assemble a cross compiler once. it was a huge pain, but there is a script to build the toolchain out there
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| 02:48 | <johnny> i assembled a cross compiler easily
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| 02:48 | crossdev -t i686-pc-linux-gnu
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| 02:48 | that's it
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| 02:48 | <FuriousGeorge> i used crossdev but the build kept failing for me
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| 02:48 | <johnny> or i686-pc-linux-uclibc
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| 02:48 | <FuriousGeorge> was a few years ago
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| 02:48 | <johnny> maybe it's fixed now :)
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| 02:48 | technically.. we could build powerpc chroots
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| 02:48 | and then netboot our gamecubes :)
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| 02:48 | or wii's.. when they are truly hackable..
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| 02:48 | well.. netboot via disc or flash card
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| 02:48 | <FuriousGeorge> ps3s too, right?
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| 02:48 | <johnny> yes
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| 02:50 | <FuriousGeorge> my gf's mb just croaked, and im trying to convince my her to share my computer with me through a combination of dual-booting, ltsp, and vmware
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| 02:50 | <johnny> my gf has her own laptop..
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| 02:50 | gift from another lady friend.. :)
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| 02:51 | i don't think she would accept netboot
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| 02:51 | <FuriousGeorge> maybe when your computer gets sufficiently faster than her laptop it will be more appealing
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| 02:52 | <johnny> doubtful.. sinece she might actually wanna take it where there is no network :)
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| 02:53 | <FuriousGeorge> yeah, theres always that, but from a pragmatic standpoint, if your computer is faster and has all the right software, why not netboot when you are home (pretending you have a gf who doesnt mind linux)
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| 02:54 | <johnny> she uses ubuntu
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| 02:54 | <FuriousGeorge> yours is a better candidate than mine
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| 02:55 | <johnny> if she had a gb of ram.. i think she'd be happier with her computer.. gonna get some soon
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| 02:55 | but she's generally ok with it
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| 02:55 | <FuriousGeorge> not enough ram is a real bummer
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| 02:55 | <johnny> 512 is good enough
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| 02:56 | just not awesome
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| 02:56 | she's been using it for 2 years now i guess
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| 02:56 | <FuriousGeorge> which american political party best supports FOSS?
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| 02:57 | <johnny> hmm.. actually.. coming up on 3..
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| 02:57 | uhmm.. i guess the democrats..
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| 02:57 | but barely
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| 02:57 | most have no clue
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| 02:57 | <FuriousGeorge> thats what i would've guessed
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| 02:57 | <johnny> many of them have spoken of open governments
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| 02:57 | tho
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| 02:57 | which is good
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| 02:57 | including obama himself
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| 02:57 | many are just too old
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| 02:58 | <FuriousGeorge> which is the party of DRM? isnt that the GOP?
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| 02:58 | <johnny> i'd say they both have been ..
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| 02:58 | it's hard to say
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| 02:58 | for example..
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| 02:58 | <FuriousGeorge> glad to see they can manage to be bipartisan on something, too bad it sucks
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| 02:58 | <johnny> hilary rosen is a democratic party stragegist
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| 02:58 | strategist*
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| 02:59 | from the RIAA
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| 02:59 | they sure have a bipartisan alliance in taking money :)
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| 03:01 | <FuriousGeorge> yeah, they really come together on that plank
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| 03:01 | <johnny> foss is just not really on the agenda
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| 03:01 | directly
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| 03:02 | but many think that taxpayer funded development should be released to the taxpayers ..
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| 03:02 | which obviously can only happy in some sort of open source fashion
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| 03:03 | <FuriousGeorge> what taxpayer funded development?
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| 03:03 | work done at state schools?
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| 03:04 | <johnny> not necessarily
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| 03:04 | but software created by various government organizations
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| 03:04 | like nasa perhaps
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| 03:04 | or national science foundation
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| 03:04 | or who knows
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| 03:04 | etc
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| 03:05 | <FuriousGeorge> open doc has some proponents too
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| 03:05 | <johnny> the government is moving too slow to keep up
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| 03:06 | stuff is happening right out from underthem
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| 03:06 | pieces here..pieces there
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| 03:06 | even though piracy is a supposably a big problem
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| 03:06 | and they think it should be stopped
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| 03:06 | what has really happened
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| 03:07 | the amount of people who have actually gotten in trouble.. is very slim
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| 03:07 | <FuriousGeorge> i wonder why they dont prosecute that more
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| 03:07 | <johnny> so.. even the folks with the bug bucks.. can't even speed it up :)
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| 03:07 | <FuriousGeorge> not that i think they should
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| 03:07 | <johnny> yeah.. interesting tho..
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| 03:07 | <FuriousGeorge> but it would be some what easy to make your case, no?
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| 03:08 | <johnny> as long as the netroots folks do'nt keep a strict love affair with the democrats.. we might actually have some competition :)
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| 03:17 | <schneider> anybody in herer using ltsp with opensuse 11.0?
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| 03:23 | <lejo_> schneider: yes
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| 03:27 | <schneider> I yust installed it in our class changing from edubuntu. problem is that after thinclients boot up i get no ldm, yust cli with no keyboardfunction. configure_X is true and screen_07 is ldm
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| 03:28 | <cyberorg> schneider, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Troubleshooting
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| 03:28 | <nubae> ogra: did u have a chance to look at the hald-addon-storage bug for localdevs (usb) on alpha6? do u need some help?
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| 03:37 | <schneider> cyberorg, http://pastebin.com/m48d24bb6
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| 03:38 | i think it might be a 32bit 64bit problem
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| 03:39 | <cyberorg> schneider, server is 64bit?
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| 03:41 | schneider, what is the client specification?
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| 03:43 | <schneider> clients are rangee lt-800-pxe with a via 800 chipset.
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| 03:43 | server is 64bit architecture, i did a netinstall
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| 03:45 | <cyberorg> schneider, your install seems ok, can you try a laptop or some other pxe capable hardware?
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| 03:47 | <schneider> need to search one, will take a while
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| 03:47 | <cyberorg> schneider, what is the last thing on the client screen?
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| 03:57 | <nubae> cyberorg: have u looked at the latest ldm-trunks?
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| 03:57 | <cyberorg> nubae, yes, there was just one change
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| 03:57 | <Q-FUNK> 'morning!
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| 03:57 | <cyberorg> pkill -P instead of kill -1 ?
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| 03:57 | hey Q-FUNK :)
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| 03:59 | <nubae> hi Q
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| 03:59 | cyberorg: Gadi's trunk causes my screen to refresh contiously with teh xauthority file being constantly recreated....
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| 04:00 | <cyberorg> nubae, AH!! i thought it was 11.1 beta1's fault
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| 04:00 | <schneider> cyborg, back again
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| 04:00 | <cyberorg> nubae, i got that too
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| 04:00 | <nubae> ok, good to know :-)
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| 04:01 | <cyberorg> schneider, type two characters of someone's name and hit <tab> to complete it
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| 04:01 | <nubae> I'll try the main trunk... but if he has it working... maybe something is wrong?
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| 04:02 | <schneider> cyberorg: found a laptop and did a pxe boot, same here, last screen is a terminal displaying (none):/# and a white mousecursor that can be moved
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| 04:03 | <cyberorg> schneider, pastebin /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/lts.conf
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| 04:04 | <nubae> cyberorg: u have problems with 11.1 and localdevs?
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| 04:04 | <cyberorg> nubae, i'd know if i could get ldm to come up :)
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| 04:04 | <nubae> haha, doh... good one
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| 04:05 | <cyberorg> nubae, what are you testing on, i suspected latest xorg packages messed up xauth thing
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| 04:05 | <nubae> ubuntu alpha 6 has broken usb drives... something changed in hald
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| 04:05 | well, worked before gadi's ldm.. so I'm trying the main trunk ldm
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| 04:06 | <schneider> cyberorg: http://pastebin.com/m50a33017 + now the laptop is blinking between a terminal login and some xauth: creating new authority file
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| 04:07 | <cyberorg> schneider, pastebin /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/lts.conf
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| 04:08 | nubae, it could very well be xorg's fault, gadi hasn't changed much
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| 04:09 | <nubae> ill find out soon enough
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| 04:09 | <schneider> cyberorg: http://pastebin.com/m50a33017 this is my ltsp.conf
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| 04:11 | <cyberorg> schneider, can you try this http://pastebin.com/d50e3ea21 please
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| 04:15 | <nubae> cyberorg: Its in the main trunk too
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| 04:16 | I believe its due to trying to create /var/run/ldm_socket
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| 04:17 | <cyberorg> let gadi wake up then we can pounce on him :)
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| 04:17 | <nubae> hehe... still... must work for him
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| 04:17 | he wouldnt have pushed without testing
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| 04:19 | <schneider> cyberorg: laptop works with new ltsp.conf thinclient stay the same at (none):/
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| 04:19 | <cyberorg> schneider, try adding "XSERVER = vesa" for the TC
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| 04:28 | <schneider> cyberorg: did that, stays the same, but i found a hwclock error on the thinclients bootup
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| 04:29 | <cyberorg> schneider, that shouldn't matter much
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| 04:29 | you remember what resolution and driver the TC works with? you can try adding that to lts.conf
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| 04:29 | try attaching another monitor too
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| 04:30 | <nubae> cyberorg: dont think its Xorg because if I revert to the original chroot which has the same xorg it all works ok
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| 04:30 | <cyberorg> nubae, that is good news, i would now be able to get it working on 11.1 after all :)
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| 04:31 | <nubae> pretty sure its got to do with the socket
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| 04:32 | can u do alt+f1? Cause I can't with the new ldm
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| 04:34 | <cyberorg> nubae, i could manually run X :0 and then ldm vt7 :0
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| 04:35 | <nubae> so you can get to a terminal screen?
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| 04:35 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 04:40 | <nubae> cyberorg: were u able to look at the ldm logs?
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| 04:40 | <cyberorg> nubae, not when the xauth thing was going on
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| 04:45 | <cyberorg> nubae, this could be looping xauth script http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/908
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| 04:47 | <cyberorg> S01-setup-xauth seems to be executed over and over?
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| 04:47 | <nubae> yeah... and nothing changed in the script and previous revisions
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| 04:47 | I'll try changing the files u pasted back to rev 908
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| 04:52 | <cyberorg> schneider, if you have working xorg.conf for the clients you can use them too: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Using_custom_configuration_for_the_client
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| 04:58 | <nubae> cyberorg: nope that wasnt it
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| 04:59 | cyberorg: what else changed, might as well track it down now that I'm in it
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| 05:00 | <cyberorg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/
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| 05:00 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes
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| 05:00 | 908 - 911
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| 05:01 | <cyberorg> or could it be something even before that?
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| 05:02 | <nubae> no cause alpha 6 works out of the box, unless of course this stuff wasnt merged into it
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| 05:05 | S20-restrictUser - thats new
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| 05:06 | but thats started when the user logs in right?
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| 05:06 | <cyberorg> nubae, just wait for vagrantc and gadi they would be able to spot it immediately
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| 05:06 | <nubae> :-)
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| 05:13 | darn xml formatting.... keeps screwing up carriage returns
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| 07:25 | <nubae> ltsp-update-image should really have similar options to ltsp-build-client in relation to differently name chroots
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| 07:52 | <nubae> Q-FUNK: u ever seen a problem with the thincans that starts with unable to enumerate usb device?
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| 07:53 | <Q-FUNK> ?!
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| 07:54 | <nubae> yeah, well it happens when I try to load a low fat client on it... maybe thats why?
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| 07:54 | I'll compare with a real computer, but can't imagine that would be the issue
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| 07:55 | <Q-FUNK> it only has 128mb of ram. you cannot really make a thick client out of a thin one ;)
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| 07:56 | <nubae> I'm just trying it... loads fast enough...
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| 07:57 | the usb enumeration though is usually because ohci gets loaded before uhci, or the other way round...
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| 07:57 | intrepid should be able to handle 128 meg
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| 07:58 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 07:58 | on LTSP, it does
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| 08:01 | <nubae> I mean fat client too... might be slow, but should start uop
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| 08:39 | <nubae> Gadi: hi there...
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| 08:40 | I've checked out your and the main ldm trunk and both have the xauthority ldm_socket repeating infinitely on startup
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> nubae: good morning
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| 08:43 | just put up some coffee, let me have some and then maybe that sentence of yours will sink in
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| 08:43 | :)
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| 08:44 | <nubae> hehe, ok :-)
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:17 | <nubae> why would I get X: client rejected from local host in thin client xorg log?
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> Problem with Xauth somewhere
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| 09:20 | <nubae> that would affect usb devs not being recognised too ? (mouse and keyboard)
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| 09:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> wondering if anyone's had this problem before... I am working with Fedora 9, and have installed openssh-server via yum on the chroot. After I updated the image, the following happened: I cannot enter a username or password in the LTSP login screen. I CAN, however, press CTRL+ALT+F2 and it will take me to a prompt where I can type properly. I am using a PS/2 keyboard.
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| 09:24 | <nubae> _UsUrPeR_: funny u should mention that, thats exactly whats happening to me right now
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| 09:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> ...:P
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| 09:28 | I suppose I should read directly above what I have typed :)
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| 09:28 | nubae: so.... any luck?
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| 09:30 | <nubae> _UsUrPeR_: not yet... though my setup is a little different... I'm setting up fat clients with intrepid
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| 09:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh. ok, well I'll try some stuff.
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| 09:36 | <nubae> try doing ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 09:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: no dice
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| 09:40 | <nubae> i
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| 09:40 | <nubae> in the thin client, does dmesg say its recognised the keyboard and mouse?
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| 09:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: yeah. I switched to USB to see if that would work, and it recognizes both. strangely enough, the mouse works fine.
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| 09:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: just spoke to etyack on the phone. This is the fourth iteration of this problem he's heard of in two days.
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| 09:57 | <nubae> hmmm how odd... maybe its related to new corg?
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| 09:57 | s/corg/xorg
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| 09:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 09:58 | possible? you said you are running ubuntu?
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| 09:58 | <nubae> yeah alpha 6
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| 09:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh. The other problems we have so far seen are Fedora 9
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| 09:59 | <nubae> well I'm pretty sure mine is related to messing heavily with my chroot
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| 09:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh, heh
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| 10:00 | as I said, I mounted /proc/ yesterday and ran an update in order to install openssh-server
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| 10:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> good morning, etyack
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| 10:01 | <etyack> _UsUrPeR_: morning
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| 10:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> spying on your dutiful employee? ;)
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| 10:01 | <etyack> you didn't notice the cameras in the office?
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| 10:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> .... :O
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| 10:05 | <cliebow> _UsUrPeR_, man aftere me own heart
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| 10:15 | <nubae> Q-FUNK: thin can starts up fine as low fat client
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| 10:15 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 10:16 | it's a question of how much ram there is then
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| 10:16 | 256mb is also possible
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| 10:16 | <nubae> yeah but even with 128, it gets in
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| 10:16 | havent tested heavy apps on it yet, but its remarkable it even works at all
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| 10:17 | I'm just rewriting the workstation plugin for intrepid
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| 10:19 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 10:19 | nice :)
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| 10:50 | <wwx> nubae, you can try to start openoffice :)
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> Can someone verify something for me? I've grabbed the source to OpenOffice.org with apt-get source openoffice.org
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| 10:59 | I've done a debian/rules binary, and it built successfully
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| 11:00 | now, if I want to make a mod to one of the source files, i.e. edit one of the .cxx files to patch a bug, and I re-do the debian/rules binary...
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| 11:00 | will that re-unpack the source again, hosing my changes, or is that the right way to go about it.
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| 11:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I could have sworn that would over-write any changes you have made
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| 11:01 | <exodos> sbalneav: and I could sworn that it will not
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| 11:02 | unpacking is done as part of apt-get source ...
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| 11:02 | * sbalneav flips coin | |
| 11:02 | <exodos> :)
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| 11:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> :) go with exodus, but back the file up
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| 11:02 | can never hurt, after all
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| 11:02 | <exodos> compailing openoffice has to be painfull
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> well, I'd do that anyway :) The problem is, I'm building Openoffice.org, so if it hoses the file, I'm not going to find out for 6 hours :)
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| 11:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> guh. oh
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> I started the build last night at 7:00, and when I went to bed at 11:30, it was still grinding.
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| 11:06 | it was done by this morning.
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| 11:06 | I've been getting my *ss kicked by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/39854
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| 11:07 | so, users are opening attachments read-only which I like
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| 11:07 | but then the save directory's still /tmp
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| 11:07 | <Q-FUNK> ok, heading off to Kadriorg here
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| 11:07 | bbl
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> they can't just save over the file, since it's read only
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> and if they DO change the name, they're saving in /tmp
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| 11:07 | which causes no end of pain.
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| 11:08 | "I saved this file, and made a bunch of changes to it, and now I can't find it anymore"
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| 11:08 | "it's not in my home OR the share"
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| 11:36 | <nubae> Gadi: any news on that looping xauthority ldm_socket in ldm?
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| 11:36 | <nubae> cyberorg is getting the same problem
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> nubae: it still sounds to me like you strung a bunch of words together
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| 11:37 | :)
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| 11:37 | can u elaborate?
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| 11:37 | * Gadi is having one of those days... | |
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| 11:37 | <b-man> hi
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| 11:38 | <nubae> heh, ok... I compiled the main ldm trunk and your ldm trunk.... they both behave the same way
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| 11:38 | on startup, everything goes fine till the ldm_socket is created... which happens over and over... indefinetly
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| 11:38 | while the screen refreshes ldm constantly too
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| 11:39 | <b-man> i have a very strange problem with my ltsp^^
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| 11:39 | <nubae> specifically its /var/run/ldm_Socket_some_identifer
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> nubae: is there an error creating the socket file?
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| 11:40 | <nubae> no, just loops indefinetly
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| 11:40 | but the ldm in alpha6 is fine
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| 11:40 | <b-man> the ltsp-client"s pc speaker makes strange noise all the time Oo
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> nubae: how did you compile?
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| 11:41 | <nubae> autogen.sh, then configure, then make, then put the files in their locations as mentioned in README
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> hmm... try with: ./configure --prefix=/usr --libexec-prefix=/usr/lib
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| 11:42 | <nubae> ok... there was a mention of libexec in the README but that doesnt exist so put it in lib
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> Crumb.
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| 11:42 | OK, I modified one of the files:
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| 11:42 | sbalneav@phobos:~/openoffice.org-2.4.1$ debian/rules binary
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| 11:42 | make: Nothing to be done for `binary'.
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| 11:42 | whaaa
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| 11:44 | <exodos> sbalneav: you can try debian/rules build
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| 11:44 | but binary should depend on this
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> make: Nothing to be done for `build'.
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| 11:47 | whaaa whaaa
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| 11:47 | anything like a force-build?
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| 11:48 | <exodos> don't think so
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| 11:49 | but you can try to delete debian/build-stamp and try again
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| 11:53 | <nubae> Gadi: maybe its because I haven't installed the latest ltspfs? could that cause this?
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> That's kicked it off
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| 11:56 | chug chug chug chug
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| 11:56 | <nubae> Gadi: same thing.... xauthority keeps being recreated in ldm_socket and screen flickers on and off continously
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| 11:57 | <exodos> sbalneav: you mean it is building now?
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> nubae: try building ltsp-trunk, too
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Yup, chuuuuuuuuging away
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| 12:00 | I love screen
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| 12:04 | <nubae> Gadi: how do I build ltsp-trunk?
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| 12:07 | I figured out most the stuff is in localapps... and went ahead and configured and installed... what else?
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| 12:12 | <K_O-Gnom> http://www.vimeo.com/1431471
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| 12:13 | hmm wrong chan but might be interessting :-)
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| 12:14 | <nubae> Gadi: do I have to manually put all the other stuff in its place?
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| 12:14 | <warren> https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12linux-devel-list/2008-September/msg00038.html
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| 12:14 | ... ; /usr/sbin/ltspfsmount all cleanup ; ...
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| 12:15 | does that exist at that path for anyone?
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| 12:16 | <cyberorg> warren, not here
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| 12:16 | <nubae> ltspfsmounter does but not mount
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> warren: that path is server-side, and yes for everyone with ltspfs installed
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| 12:17 | right - ltspfsmounter
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| 12:17 | <warren> is /usr/sbin/ltspfsmount wrong then?
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> yes thats a typo
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| 12:18 | nubae: usually folks roll a package and install it, I have never installed manually
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| 12:18 | warren: how u feelin?
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| 12:19 | <warren> Gadi: not so good, but forced myself to go to the offie today
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| 12:19 | i'm bleeding here
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| 12:19 | <johnny> :(
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| 12:19 | <warren> mgiht go home soon
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| 12:19 | <nubae> Gadi: so each distro makes some extras for installing the stuff?
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| 12:20 | <cyberorg> nubae, any progress?
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| 12:20 | <nubae> cyberorg: trying to figure out how to install ltsp-trunk :-)
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> nubae: afaik - but, I throw that one out to the distros here
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| 12:20 | <ogra> nubae, apt-get source ltsp ... roll a tarball with mkdst from the trunk tree and build a package from it
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> I know warren uses "mkdst"
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| 12:20 | <ogra> mkdst is the tool for creating the tarball
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| 12:21 | <nubae> ok so I shouldnt check it out with bazaar then?
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| 12:21 | <ogra> you also need the packaging bits for the distro you build on
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| 12:21 | sure you should
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| 12:21 | and mkdst as well
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| 12:21 | mkdst uses bzr export to create the tarball
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| 12:21 | <warren> nubae: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/DevelGuide
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| 12:22 | <nubae> ok thanks guys
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| 12:22 | <cyberorg> Gadi, i have the latest ldm-trunk-gadi, and have same problem as nubae, i blamed my beta1 installation till nubae came up with the same issue
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> cyberorg: so I hear
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| 12:22 | do you have the same issue with upstream ldm-trunk?
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| 12:22 | <cyberorg> what else in the client changed?
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| 12:23 | or requires change
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> cyberorg: try building ldm-trunk
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| 12:24 | and see if the issue persists
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| 12:24 | <cyberorg> Gadi, nubae reports same for ldm-trunk
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> cyberorg: but you build differently than he, no? you have a method for building and making suse packages
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| 12:25 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> so, it is prolly easier for you to try to build ldm-trunk and ltsp-trunk from latest bzr and see if it works
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| 12:26 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> also, if you know the last version you have that works, we can look thru the changelog to see what might have broken something
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| 12:27 | <nubae> well the one in alpha6 is fine
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> nubae: you are an all-32-bit environment there?
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| 12:32 | ie, you are not compiling binaries for 32-bit on a 64-bit machine?
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| 12:33 | <nubae> 32 bit
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| 12:34 | <nubae> where can I get mkdst for ubuntu?
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| 12:34 | <ogra> from the bzr tree
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| 12:35 | <nubae> ok
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| 12:35 | <ogra> it sits next to ltsp-trunk
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| 12:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: I... I kind of fixed the keyboard issue
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| 12:49 | ...
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| 12:49 | I just re-created another image :P
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| 12:50 | took the same actions as before (yum update, install openssh-server) and it's fine this time around
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| 13:03 | <cyberorg> Gadi, "xauth: creating new authoroty file /var/run/ldm-xauth-xXXXXXX" infinitely
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| 13:03 | <nubae> right... same as me
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| 13:04 | <cyberorg> ERROR: get_userid from greeter failed, and it starts Launching Xorg all over again, that is in ldm.log
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| 13:04 | get_userid will of course fail, it will come only if it allows the greeter to complete loading :|
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| 13:06 | so now we know get_userid is messing with it
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| 13:08 | <nubae> cyberorg: do u have the latest ltsp-trunk installed?
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| 13:08 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> ok, so which was the last working version you have: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes
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| 13:10 | <cyberorg> Gadi, last i tested was dm2-2.0.12_080830
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| 13:10 | <cyberorg> but as you can see from the ldm.log "ERROR: get_userid from greeter failed" it is that part which is causing problem
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> vagrantc: perfect timing
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| 13:12 | vagrantc: you have built the latest ldm-trunk and have it running successfully, right?
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> Gadi: no, i've patched the last tagged version with some/most of the patches since, though.
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> cyberorg and nubae are getting: "ERROR: get_userid from greeter failed"
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| 13:14 | and x dying and respawning
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i didn't apply the LDM_USER_ALLOW stuff
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| 13:15 | * vagrantc needs to mostly not be here today | |
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> well, LDM_USER_ALLOW is a single rc.d script
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| 13:16 | shouldn't cause that
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> i don't see how my patches would cause that either.
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> brb
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> bbl
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| 13:28 | <jc2it> Hello all!
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| 13:29 | Where do I find the best, most current documentation for Ubuntu 8.04 with LTSP?
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 13:30 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 13:35 | <nubae> jc2it: u can check launchpad too for general ltsp documentation: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk
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| 13:36 | ogra: nothings been built for ltsp 5.1.24 yet?
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| 13:36 | I should base files on 5.1.22?
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| 13:54 | <nubae> _UsUrPeR_: fixed mine the same way
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| 13:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 13:55 | does anyone know where I can change the client name which lists in the lower-right corner of the Fedora login screen?
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| 13:56 | <nubae> u mean the hostname?
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| 13:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> per mac address :P
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| 13:57 | i.e. one client shows up as client01, the next shows up as client02
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| 13:58 | <nubae> for i in `seq 20 250`; do
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| 13:58 | echo "192.168.0.$i ws$i ws$i.ltsp" >> /etc/hosts
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| 13:58 | done
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| 13:58 | modify as u like
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| 14:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 14:02 | <johnny> it's in the init script i bet
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| 14:02 | i stole such logic from fedora
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| 14:02 | for mine
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| 14:03 | <nubae> I found it on the altlinux pages
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| 14:03 | and sbalneav pasted it once for me too :-)
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| 14:03 | <johnny> nubae, warren's init script has a pattern in it's init script for those who's dhcp servers dont' provide the hostname
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| 14:03 | client-$ip
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| 14:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> is it possible to determine hostname by mac address?
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| 14:03 | <johnny> set your dhcp server to do it
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| 14:04 | it's easiest to do it there imo
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| 14:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> err... wait, do you have to assign each client an IP by mac, then use the IP to determine the hostname?
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| 14:04 | <johnny> ips are always assigned by mac :)
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| 14:04 | with dhp
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| 14:04 | dhcp*
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| 14:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> touche :)
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| 14:04 | I meant static IPs
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| 14:04 | <johnny> you can use your dhcp server for that too
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| 14:04 | <nubae> use get-lease-hostnames
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| 14:05 | <johnny> you can force the ips for a mac
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| 14:05 | and hostname
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| 14:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> rgr that
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| 14:05 | <johnny> that's why dnsmasq is great
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| 14:05 | it uses /etc/hosts
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| 14:05 | and then i have /etc/ethers for mac mapping
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| 14:06 | <nubae> I put my macs straight into dhcpd.conf
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| 14:06 | but guess thats not dynamic
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| 14:07 | <johnny> yeah.. proly better to go straight to hostname from mac
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| 14:07 | and not care about the ip
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| 14:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: could you give me an example of a mac address entry in the dhcpd.conf please?
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| 14:26 | <nubae> host atlantis { hardware ethernet 00:45:40:10:FE:12; fixed-address 10.1.1.20; }
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| 14:27 | host hardware and fixed on seperate lines
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| 14:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> hanks :)
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| 14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> hanks = thanks
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> looks like 197 is the winner.
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| 14:35 | oops
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| 14:57 | <jc2it> Can someone please explain the concepts of a changed root (chroot)? I think my setup is not right. Maybe we skipped a step and we really are not chrooted at the client?
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| 14:57 | How would I tell?
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| 15:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> jc2it: if you type exit, and you are not chrooted, you will either log out of su, or log out in entirety
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| 15:00 | :D
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| 15:01 | the chroot is used when you want to change something in the client image, while being in the client's native root directory
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| 15:02 | <jc2it> So this allows me to make a change to all of the clients at once or a single client?
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| 15:03 | Assuming a reboot occurs after changes?
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| 15:03 | <Nubae> jc2it: I recommend against changing anything in the chroot unless u really know what u are doing
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| 15:03 | you can really break stuff
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| 15:03 | <jc2it> Ok.
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| 15:04 | If i want to allow access to an app to a Class or group of clients but not all of them is the chroot where it would occur?
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| 15:04 | <Nubae> no
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| 15:04 | all applications run on the server
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| 15:04 | the chroot is basically just what allows for the screen and keybpa
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| 15:05 | <jc2it> The chroot is only for the thin client to boot from theN.
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| 15:05 | then = then?
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| 15:05 | <Nubae> keyboards to show up
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| 15:05 | right... more or less
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| 15:05 | imagine u have lots of monitors, keyboards and mice connected to one server
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| 15:06 | <jc2it> So if my thin client hardware seems like it is not functioning correctly is this where I would fix it?
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| 15:06 | <Nubae> that depends on what is not working
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| 15:06 | <Nubae> but there is a place made especially to debug and put in fixes (/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf)
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| 15:07 | <jc2it> Complex graphics apps do not display just close.
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| 15:07 | <Nubae> which apps, what is your server setup, your clients, and distro
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| 15:11 | <jc2it> Ubuntu + LTSP5. Server hardware Dell 2900 quad core, 2.33 Ghz, 4 gb Ram. Thin Client Neoware C-50 set to PXE boot. In old system we used a RH EL4 server and Connected via XDMCP through the thin clients. This allowed us to have an Open GL screen saver for instance. No these things just don't work or reboot the thin client
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| 15:12 | <Nubae> what are the specs of the thin clients, ram and graphics ram?
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| 15:12 | <jc2it> No these things = Now these apps
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| 15:13 | <Nubae> compiz needs to be turned on in the client by installing the proprietary nvidia or ati drivers
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| 15:14 | <johnny> if you're using that hardware...
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| 15:14 | <Nubae> yeah :-) true... its been a while since I did... but I remember it working in gutsy for ati
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| 15:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> jc2it: have you gotten any openGL apps to work on these clients in the past?
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| 15:15 | <johnny> also. you don't actually require ati-drivers.. if you have the right ati hardware
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| 15:15 | it's actually worth it tho..
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| 15:15 | <Nubae> well, if u have radeonHD
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| 15:15 | <johnny> as including the proprietary drivers inflates the necessary ram by 30mb
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| 15:16 | no.. not just radeonhd
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| 15:16 | <Nubae> and the older car4ds
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| 15:16 | <johnny> i'm using the open drivers on an x300
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| 15:16 | dualhead 256mb card
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| 15:16 | pretty decent card
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| 15:16 | <Nubae> but newer stuff all needs prop drivers
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| 15:16 | <johnny> it's evolving pretty fast
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| 15:16 | <Nubae> it is a good card... but its old :-)
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> jc2it: do you use LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 15:17 | <Nubae> yeah, I remember in gutsy there were only proprietary drivers
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| 15:17 | <johnny> gusty was too long ago :)
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| 15:17 | a year is a long time..
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| 15:17 | <Nubae> hey theres people still running dapper!
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| 15:18 | <johnny> it's a wonder people think linux looks bad when running such nonsense
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> jc2it: if you want to run graphics intense apps, use LDM_DIRECTX
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> openGL by proxy aint gonna do much
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| 15:19 | <Nubae> woohoo... my low fat client is working great in intrepid...
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| 15:19 | <johnny> how much ram?
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| 15:20 | <Nubae> 500 mb... but it even ran on 128mb, albeit slow, too
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| 15:20 | still this is 500mhz celeron
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| 15:20 | and its quite usable
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| 15:20 | with 500mb ram
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| 15:21 | <jc2it> @ usurper Yes they work on the old system. Where they boot to NeoLinux and connect via XDMCP to our old RH EL4 server
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| 15:21 | <johnny> what apps?
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| 15:21 | <Nubae> firefox, openoffice
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| 15:22 | I was asked to make it for flash machines
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| 15:22 | <johnny> it'd be nice if i could find a way to get somebody to donate 3 thin clients to us .. or sell for cheap..
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| 15:22 | ones that could run firefox locally..
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| 15:22 | <jc2it> @ gadi hmm I am not sure as much of the LTSP install is automated in Ubuntu. Which is probably part of my problem. How do I tell?
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| 15:22 | <johnny> jc2it, set LDM_DIRECTX=Y in lts.conf..
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| 15:22 | <jc2it> @ Nubae I think the Neoware Thin Clients are 400mhz Via Chips with 256 mb RAM
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| 15:23 | <Nubae> jc2it: above I mentioned /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 15:23 | edit that... as johnny said
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| 15:23 | and put that in
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| 15:23 | johnny: cant u get some from a company...?
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| 15:23 | like older computers
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| 15:24 | surely theyll give away p 3 1ghz with 256 mb ram
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| 15:24 | the other option is the thin clients that artec sells... they are like 50-100 euros
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| 15:25 | <johnny> i have computers already
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| 15:25 | they take up too much space
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| 15:25 | <Nubae> oh right... forgot that was the point...
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| 15:25 | <johnny> my budget is like $100/mo
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| 15:25 | i'm up to about $500 now
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| 15:25 | in USD.. not euro..
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| 15:25 | <Nubae> then glue the motherboards to the back of the monitors, heh
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| 15:25 | <johnny> lol
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| 15:26 | <Nubae> or put them below the bench
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| 15:26 | <johnny> the benches are going away
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| 15:26 | <Nubae> the monitors need to stand on something right?
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| 15:26 | <johnny> sure.. but that space is currently too big
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| 15:26 | <Nubae> put the components on the bottom of that
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| 15:27 | u can build your own thin clients pretty easily, if u are so inclined
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| 15:27 | <johnny> i doubt you can build em cheaper than buy
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| 15:27 | <Nubae> well, depends on what u use... I mean u could find some real old shitty laptops with broken screens for next to nothing
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| 15:28 | <johnny> that's one of our options..
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| 15:28 | it'd be nice not to have to do more hacks tho.
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| 15:29 | <Nubae> heh, says the gentoo ltsp developer ;-)
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| 15:29 | <johnny> especially since we can offer tax writeoffs ..
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| 15:29 | i deploy ubuntu tho..
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| 15:29 | there at least
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| 15:29 | <Nubae> wont u change to gentoo when uve got it all running?
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| 15:29 | <johnny> doubtful
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| 15:30 | i'm the 2nd tech guy there.. not the first :)
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| 15:30 | ubuntu was already being used when i got there.. on all the machines
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| 15:30 | before i setup ltsp
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| 15:30 | <jc2it> My most recently updated lts.conf file is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf which says not to edit the file here. no lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. Should I create one?
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| 15:30 | <johnny> yes
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| 15:30 | make sure you start it with [default]
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| 15:31 | * johnny wonders if [default] should be necessary | |
| 15:31 | <Nubae> well, surely they must realise u know what u are doing... ltsp is no peace of cake
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| 15:31 | <johnny> seems like it should assume that
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| 15:31 | <Nubae> johnny: it is necessary, thing wont start otherwise
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| 15:31 | <johnny> sure.. but they use it for other things too..
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| 15:31 | *should*
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| 15:31 | i know it is
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| 15:31 | but that doesn't mean it has to be
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| 15:32 | <Nubae> true
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| 15:32 | :-)
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| 15:32 | theres lots of little stuff like that
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| 15:32 | <johnny> our setup is already too far embedded
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| 15:32 | <johnny> custom software installed
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| 15:32 | <Nubae> I could list 10 just from memory
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| 15:32 | <johnny> switching distros is just not feasible
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| 15:32 | <Nubae> ok, so the ltsp computers get used for other stuff too?
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| 15:32 | <johnny> if i didn't wanna piss everybody off
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| 15:33 | the server is also the POS machine..
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| 15:33 | <Nubae> just think its the opportunity for u to stress test gentoo ltsp
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| 15:33 | <johnny> nah..
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| 15:33 | it's just not going to happen.. that would never be approved
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| 15:33 | or rather..
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| 15:33 | we would never be able to concense on that
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| 15:34 | <Nubae> guess u'll have to convince a local school then
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| 15:34 | <johnny> doubtful..
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| 15:34 | i'd still deploy ubuntu if that happened
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| 15:35 | since it's not just about me. but about future admins
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| 15:35 | <jc2it> Does the lts.conf file use # for comments?
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| 15:35 | <Nubae> true... but admin stuff is generally very similar
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| 15:35 | <johnny> no need to create unnecessary technical skills dependancies.. otherwise why would they use open source :)
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| 15:35 | <Nubae> well, open source doesnt mean admin free
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| 15:35 | far from it
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| 15:35 | <johnny> obviously
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| 15:36 | but it'll be far easier for them to find somebody other than me to deal with it
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| 15:36 | if it is ubuntu
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| 15:36 | <Nubae> yeah, and is that a good thing or bad?
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| 15:36 | <johnny> good thing
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| 15:36 | <Nubae> u're job is pretty secured if they're dependent on you
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| 15:36 | and its not that easy to find an ubuntu admin that knows ltsp either
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| 15:36 | <johnny> sure.. but that mean i depend on them :)
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| 15:36 | or rather
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| 15:37 | am chained to them
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| 15:37 | responsible
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| 15:37 | <Nubae> the school I was working for where I deployed ubuntu, got a new guy in... I still talk to him every day
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| 15:37 | <johnny> sure.. but at least i wouldn't have to go there
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| 15:37 | <Nubae> that is true
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| 15:37 | I guess for every gentoo admin there are 10 ubuntu admins
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| 15:37 | <johnny> the importance is what you get on the desktop side by default
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| 15:37 | not the ltsp part
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| 15:37 | <Nubae> and 10000 windows admins
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| 15:38 | <johnny> ubuntu's gnome comes with more options
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| 15:38 | hell.. gentoo's gnome doesn't even require xdg-user-dirs
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| 15:38 | <Nubae> I thought u could really customise gentoo all the way
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| 15:38 | <johnny> or xdg-user-dirs-gtk
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| 15:38 | i can
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| 15:38 | gentoo is my playground really
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| 15:39 | learning how to replicate what you get in ubuntu, helps me understand the pieces that make up ubuntu
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| 15:39 | automatically
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| 15:39 | <Nubae> I learnt linux on gentoo
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| 15:39 | <johnny> yeah exactly
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| 15:39 | <Nubae> was great learning experience... going from a stage1 tarball
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| 15:39 | heh, remember the days and days building it up
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| 15:39 | <johnny> but.. until last week.. i never knew how to populate the places menu like you get with ubuntu
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| 15:40 | * dberkholz keeps getting highlighted for 'gentoo' mentions | |
| 15:40 | <johnny> but now i do
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| 15:40 | which means if some ubuntu person asks me how they can reset their places menu.. i know how
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| 15:41 | howdy donnie
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| 15:41 | it also helped me figure out a policykit bug in ubuntu :)
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| 15:41 | i guess next.. i need to make upstart work in gentoo.. since it seems to be something some major distros are standardizing on
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| 15:42 | fedora, ubuntu.. and maybe debian
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| 15:42 | if that is the case.. it must work on gentoo.. that way i can fix it anywhere :)
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> not so sure how likely debian is to switch to upstart ...
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| 15:42 | <dberkholz> have fun with that ... you'll have to make it deal with gentoo init scripts
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> upstart's been in debian/experimental since late 2006 and hasn't seen an upload since almost a year ago
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| 15:45 | and there's several other very active init projects for debian
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| 15:45 | <johnny> it would make the world much eaasier if we could standardize..
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| 15:45 | on that
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| 15:45 | sure.. gentoo has other options too
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| 15:46 | <Nubae> I saw altlinux is using dcop
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| 15:46 | <johnny> dcop.. don't recall that being an init system..
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| 15:46 | <Nubae> heh, instead of dbus
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| 15:47 | <Nubae> just thought all distros had standardised on udev/hal/dbus
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| 15:47 | <johnny> that's not a distro thing
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| 15:47 | that's a kde thing
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| 15:47 | <Nubae> well gnome and kde now use the same, right?
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| 15:48 | <johnny> obviously not.. if they still use dcop
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| 15:48 | unless dcop is not just a compat frontend to dbus..
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| 15:48 | <jc2it> :
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| 15:48 | <johnny> and kde has phonen.. while we have pulseaudio..
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| 15:48 | not that they are completely equivalent
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| 15:49 | but you're definitely not seeing standardization there :)
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| 15:49 | <Nubae> nah kde now works with hal/dbus
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| 15:50 | kde4 works with something new though
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| 15:50 | <johnny> so.. why does dcop still exist then?
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| 15:50 | did they repurpose it?
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| 15:50 | <Nubae> no idea, thats why I was surprised to see alt linux using it
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| 15:51 | but gnome and kde use the same framwork since at least a year
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| 15:51 | <johnny> not like i care what those guys do.. they are obviously not interested in standardization of any sort :)
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| 15:51 | <Nubae> hehe
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| 15:51 | kinda like suse ;-)
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| 15:52 | <johnny> suse itself seems to be
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| 15:52 | perhaps not in relation to ltsp
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| 15:52 | but in general
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| 15:52 | altho that main menu thing never really caught on elsewhere
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| 15:53 | <jc2it> [default]
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| 15:53 | LDM_DIRECTX=Y
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| 15:53 | <Nubae> theyre doing allright now with their move to kde4
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| 15:53 | <jc2it> like that?
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| 15:53 | <Nubae> LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 15:53 | <jc2it> ah
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| 15:53 | <loather-work> LDM_DIRECTX makes me <3
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| 15:53 | <Nubae> but Y probably works too
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| 15:55 | another good integration into gnome/ltsp would be gnome do
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| 15:55 | which is an app launcher like apple has
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| 15:55 | <johnny> it's mono based
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| 15:55 | <Nubae> like quicksilver
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| 15:55 | <johnny> that is a problem
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| 15:55 | <Nubae> oh...
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| 15:55 | <johnny> C# iirc
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| 15:56 | thus why f-spot isn't the default app
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| 15:56 | for images..
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| 15:56 | f-spot is great
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| 15:56 | <Nubae> yeqa
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| 15:56 | mono is just too much I suppose
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| 15:57 | its cool though, autoentry of apps, auto addition of music playlist, pics, films
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| 16:00 | <jc2it> How do I know if I am using LDM versus GDm
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| 16:00 | <loather-work> mono sucks.
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| 16:00 | slow.
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| 16:00 | <loather-work> and microsoft owns the trademark, so they're likely to strike like a viper once their partnership deal with novell is over.
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| 16:01 | <loather-work> c# coming to the opensource market was one of the worst things to ever happen to it.
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| 16:01 | mark my words.
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| 16:04 | <Nubae> jc2it: u are always using ldm
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| 16:04 | <jc2it> Well the reason i ask is when I do a ps -ale i do not see an ldm process, but I do see GDM
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| 16:04 | <Nubae> guess u dont like gambas either then ;-)
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| 16:05 | <jc2it> ps -ale | grep gdm
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| 16:05 | 4 S 0 6325 1 0 80 0 - 3588 - ? 00:00:00 gdm
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| 16:05 | 5 S 0 10513 6325 0 80 0 - 4065 - ? 00:00:00 gdm
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| 16:06 | <Nubae> remember the concept of the monitor and keyboard connected to the server
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| 16:06 | u are seeing the servers processes
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| 16:06 | <jc2it> But shouldn't the server be running the client's process as well?
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| 16:07 | <Nubae> if you do alt+f1 ull get to the thin client terminal
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| 16:07 | there, if u have the root password set u could go in and see the processes running locally
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| 16:07 | <jc2it> Apps run on server. Which is App vs. Thin client underlying process
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| 16:07 | oh
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| 16:11 | alt + f1 at the login screen or where?
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| 16:11 | Ubuntu appears to interpret it
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| 16:11 | <Nubae> on thin client any time
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| 16:21 | <jc2it> alt + f1 = no joy on my thin clients. It activates the Ubuntu Applications menu. hmm, I bet there is a way to reassign that shortcut. Sidenote: When I am in the Ubuntu + LTSP login window on a Thin Client and Click on Preferences --> Select Session There is no LDM session available. only 1. Default. 2. Failsafe Xterm. 3. /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-ssh-session. and 4. /usr/bin/gnome-session. This is why I asked in the first place
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| 16:21 | <johnny> ctrl + alt + f1
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| 16:21 | not alt +f1
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| 16:22 | <jc2it> hey now that works
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| 16:24 | Where do I set the ltsp password? is it as simple as #passwd ltsp on the server and then reboot thin client
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| 16:25 | <johnny> in the chroot
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| 16:25 | but.. another better way.. would proably be to set SCREEN_02=shell
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| 16:25 | in lts.conf
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| 16:25 | and then ctrl +alt +f2
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| 16:25 | so you don't have to set the password at all
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| 16:25 | there will be a terminal already ready
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| 16:25 | <jc2it> so chroot has its own root
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| 16:26 | login
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| 16:26 | <johnny> that's what a chroot is :)
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| 16:26 | <jc2it> doh
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| 16:28 | so my new lts.conf looks like:
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| 16:28 | [default]
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| 16:28 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 16:28 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 16:28 | should I add anything else?
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| 16:28 | <johnny> not yet
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| 16:35 | <jc2it> Is there a way to do this so it is selectable instead of affecting all thin clients at reboot time?
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| 16:36 | In the lts file can you specify different classes of thin client?
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| 16:39 | I wonder if the lts.conf file also allow you to configure LDM. Although I am still unconvinced it is running
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| 16:52 | <jc2it> what does SCREEN_01=ldm do in conjunction with SCREEN_02=shell?
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| 17:30 | <johnny> don't do that
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| 17:30 | 07 is for ldm
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| 17:30 | never touch SCREEN_01
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| 17:30 | ever
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| 17:30 | yes.. you can do lts entries via mac , ip , or hostname
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| 17:31 | not sure about partial mac mapping tho
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| 17:52 | <FuriousGeorge> johnny: were was i supposed to tell gentoo to start kde v just x in the client?
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| 17:56 | <FuriousGeorge> oh wait, that files was to start ldm in general, i need to tell it to startkde
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| 17:57 | <jc2it> XSERVER=? If I set this option does this allow me to tell XSERVER which video chipset I have? Or better yet how do I tell what it is detecting.
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| 17:58 | BTW with SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_02=shell. Now the thin client boots to an LDM screen on tty7 and by using Ctrl+Alt+F2 I can get a LTSP login to check/troubleshoot local stuff
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| 18:01 | <FuriousGeorge> is there a better way to make ldm start kde rather than just adding exec startkde to ~/.xinitd
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| 18:05 | looks like i dont have that anyway
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| 18:05 | hmmm... how to make ldm start kde
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| 18:10 | <jc2it> I am not a gentoo expert, but this link may help start kde http://gentoo-wiki.com/LTSP_Desktop
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| 18:10 | oops that starts KDM not LDM
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| 18:12 | <FuriousGeorge> yeah, that doesnt help
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| 18:12 | unfortunately i think johnny is the only guy who knows how to do this, since he's maintaining the package, and there is no decent documentation
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| 18:13 | thanks for looking though
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| 18:13 | <ogra> FuriousGeorge, usually ldm executes Xsession ... that should respect the usual standards for setting per user sessions
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| 18:15 | FuriousGeorge, i.e. ~/.xsession should work
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| 18:15 | <FuriousGeorge> ogra: my home dir is empty on the client side, if thats what you're referring to, but i do have the global /opt/ltsp/x86/etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession
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| 18:16 | <ogra> no, i wouldnt refer to anything user related on the client side
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| 18:16 | since your users and sessions run on the server ;)
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| 18:16 | <FuriousGeorge> right, that wouldnt make sense
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| 18:16 | <ogra> add it to the users home on the server and try
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| 18:17 | no idea wher you set the system session on gentoo, i never used it, but afaik gentoo uses the upstream xorg Xsession script that supports .xsession per user
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| 18:18 | <FuriousGeorge> in gentoo you change DISPLAY_MANAGER= in /etx/init.d/xdm, but for some reason ltsp just kinda ignores that
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| 18:19 | <ogra> ldm runs: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession (or wherever your Xsession script is located, might be /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession in gentoo or some such then)
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| 18:19 | it doesnt eceute any initscrits
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| 18:19 | *scripts
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| 18:20 | sigh ... *execute as well
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| 18:20 | to late here, cant type anymore (1am)
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| 18:21 | <FuriousGeorge> johnny: must have changed the default behavior one way or another, because i didnt need to do that before... lemme try that out
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| 18:22 | <ogra> echo startkde > ~/.xsession
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| 18:22 | as the user you want to use for ltsp
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| 18:22 | <FuriousGeorge> looks to be /etc/X11/Sessions/Xsession on gentoo
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| 18:22 | <ogra> on the server
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| 18:23 | SESSIONLIST="/etc/X11/xinit/Xsession \
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| 18:23 | /etc/X11/Xsession \
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| 18:23 | /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession \
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| 18:23 | /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession"
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| 18:23 | thats from the ldm code
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| 18:23 | must be one of these locations
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| 18:29 | <jc2it> My Neoware C50 comes with a VIA S3 with 16 MB UMA shared video memory
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| 18:29 | <ogra> unlikely you find a composite capable driver for that
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| 18:30 | <FuriousGeorge> ogra: i have /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession.... i see there that it defers first to /etc/X11/chooser.sh
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| 18:31 | <FuriousGeorge> then it checks ~/.xsession.... ill try the xsession method anyway
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| 18:32 | that worked, but felt unfamiliar and a little hackish
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| 18:32 | :)
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| 18:33 | ogra: thanks
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| 18:34 | <ogra> its definately hackish, there must be a method to set the systemwide default desktop in gentoo
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| 18:34 | but i have no clue what that would be ...
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| 18:34 | ubuntu dev here :)
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| 18:36 | <FuriousGeorge> in /etc/rc.conf XSESSION="kde-3.5"
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| 18:36 | i think thats the move
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| 18:37 | that and DISPLAY_MANGER="kdm" in /etx/init.d/xdm...
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| 18:40 | <ogra> right, but display manager is definately not used
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| 18:40 | /etc/rc.conf seems reaonable
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| 18:41 | do you see /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession sourcing /etc/rc.conf or using XSESSION ?
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| 18:45 | <FuriousGeorge> ogra: i do not
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| 18:45 | when johnny comes back, he'll know what the right way is
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| 18:45 | <ogra> yeah
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| 18:46 | for now .xsession should help you
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| 18:48 | <FuriousGeorge> its doing well so far
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| 18:48 | <dberkholz> here i am
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| 18:48 | you're looking for the XSESSION variable
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| 18:48 | <FuriousGeorge> i believe so
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| 18:48 | <dberkholz> rc.conf on stable systems, /etc/env.d/90xsession on testing
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| 18:48 | possibly moving elsewhere in the near future
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| 18:49 | <FuriousGeorge> XSESSION='kde-3.5' is what i need then? thanks
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| 18:50 | * ogra wonders if that shouldnt be XSESSION='startkde' | |
| 18:51 | <dberkholz> nope
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| 18:51 | <dberkholz> we allow multiple kde versions installed at once and do special things
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| 18:52 | yet another fork of xinit scripts
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: does your Xsession script accept "default" as an argument?
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| 18:58 | dberkholz: or any arguments?
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| 18:59 | <dberkholz> it accepts failsafe as an argument
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> that's it?
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| 18:59 | <dberkholz> looks like it
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| 19:00 | <jcastro> hi guys
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| 19:01 | <dberkholz> we have a really messy setup atm
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| 20:09 | <jammcq> hey folks
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| 20:27 | <rixter> Heya ltsper
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| 21:03 | <portablejim> Is the setup in the image (http://file-hosting.site-hosts.net/ltsp_scenario.png) able to be done?
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| 21:05 | Will it work? or do the clients have to be connected directly to the server
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| 21:05 | ?
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| 21:06 | <jammcq> is that really a router, or is it a cable modem with a switch built in?
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| 21:08 | <portablejim> Router (modem connects to the specified port.)
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| 21:08 | <jammcq> what brand/model ?
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| 21:08 | <portablejim> DOes it matter?
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| 21:09 | <jammcq> it helps me understand the whole picture.
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| 21:13 | <portablejim> Something like this: http://www.mrgadget.com.au/catalog/images/netgear_wgr614_wireless_router.gif
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| 21:13 | <jammcq> ok, that's a router with a switch built-in.
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| 21:14 | as long as all of your workstations and server are plugged into the switch ports, you'll be fine
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| 21:14 | but.... make sure you turn off the dhcp server in that thing
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| 21:14 | it'll just get in the way
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| 21:17 | <portablejim> so the DHCP server will make it not work?
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| 21:20 | <jammcq> the netgear dhcp server won't provide the information that the workstations need
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| 21:20 | and you can't have 2 dhcp servers on the same network
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| 21:21 | so... best thing to do is setup your linux server as your dhcp server and disable the one in your router
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| 21:25 | <portablejim_> anything that could be done to not require the router's DHCP server to be turned off?
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| 21:26 | <jammcq> dunno. why not just turn it off?
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| 21:27 | <portablejim_> I don't think my parents would like it.
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| 21:28 | <jammcq> well, it's the only way that I know of
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| 21:29 | <portablejim_> Thanks jammcq.
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| 21:29 | <jammcq> no prob
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| 21:31 | <portablejim_> How much lag is present when using LTSP? (100mpb/s network, 1-3 clients, quad-core computer)
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> lag?
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| 21:31 | you won't notice any lag
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| 21:32 | and depending on your clients, the apps could run faster in a ltsp environment than they would on stand alone computers
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| 21:32 | <portablejim_> comparable to x forwarding?
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> well, it IS x forwarding
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| 21:34 | <portablejim_> so it would go through bandwidth fairly fast?
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| 21:34 | <jammcq> what are you expecting?
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| 21:35 | i've got a network with 60 ltsp thin clients and it runs great
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| 21:35 | you've got 100mbps and a powerful server
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| 21:35 | you won't get anywhere near the point of having a bandwidth problem
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| 21:37 | <portablejim_> ever tried video editing?
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| 21:37 | <jammcq> no. video editing is not something that you'd enjoy on a ltsp workstation
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| 21:39 | <portablejim_> even with a powerful server and few clients?
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| 21:40 | <jammcq> well, try it and see
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| 21:40 | <johnny> you'd need to run em locally
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| 21:40 | the interfaces at least
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| 21:40 | <portablejim_> what does that mean?
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| 21:41 | <rixter> it means do a little more reading and see what ltsp is designed to do.
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| 21:41 | ;)
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| 21:42 | You can make apps run off the local machine instead running directly on the X Server.
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| 21:42 | <portablejim_> are you just saying that it will need to be done on a LAN?
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| 21:42 | <rixter> no
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| 21:43 | <portablejim_> is it easy to set up, whatever you are suggesting?
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| 21:43 | <jammcq> not really
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| 21:43 | <rixter> portablejim_: ask your self why you are setting up ltsp for video editing....
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| 21:43 | <jammcq> just setup a normal ltsp and see how it works
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| 21:44 | <johnny> dberkholz, if i would have known about the cgroups issues. stuff wouldn't have taken so long to compile at the hackfest and making me completely un useful during that time period :(
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| 21:45 | huge difference..
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| 21:45 | the computer would spike up to 100% and stay there
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| 21:45 | now it just occasionally spikes.. WHY IS IT ON BY DEFAULT
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| 21:45 | sometimes i gotta wonder how they pick those default settings... from a hat?
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| 21:46 | <portablejim_> Why: So my mum does not have to buy another dual/quad core computer when I have lots of unused CPU cycles.
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| 21:47 | <rixter> portablejim_ what app does she use for video editing ?
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| 21:48 | <portablejim_> She will probably be using windows since we cave not come across a video editing app that is stable.
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| 21:48 | cave => have
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| 21:48 | <jammcq> ltsp is LINUX, not windows
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| 21:49 | <portablejim_> VMed windows.
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| 21:49 | <johnny> kino is stable
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| 21:49 | it just doesn't do enough
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| 21:49 | i used it to edit a small commercial once :)
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| 21:50 | it was pretty limited of course
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| 21:50 | <portablejim_> multi-track?
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| 21:52 | * portablejim_ realises the conversation is better had somewhere like #ubuntu or a video editing thread | |
| 21:53 | <rixter> what os is on the dual/quad core right now?
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| 21:54 | <portablejim_> my quad in running Ubuntu 64bit.
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| 21:54 | in => is
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| 21:54 | <rixter> set it up with vnc sessions.
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| 21:54 | <johnny> no.. rdp is better
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| 21:55 | <rixter> or that :)
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| 21:55 | * rixter has never used rdp | |
| 21:55 | <johnny> it's pretty impressive really
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| 21:55 | not sure how it compares with the nx stuff tho
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| 21:56 | <portablejim_> Anyway, it was just a idea for a cool project to do in the holidays - to get a LTSP setup up, etc. Guess the idea won't work out.
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| 21:56 | <johnny> it won't work out?
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| 21:57 | put it in a vm.. and connect via rdp.. sounds workable.. for normal usages
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| 21:57 | you won't know how it will perform the way you need it to tho.. until you try i guess
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| 22:00 | <portablejim_> Might try that.
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| 22:01 | thanks everyone
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