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Channel log from 18 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:51 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 04:32 | <killsalad> hi all
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| 05:03 | <amol> cyberorg, hi
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| 05:04 | <cyberorg> hi amol
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| 05:04 | <amol> cyberorg, at client side application is running quite slow
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| 05:05 | <cyberorg> amol, what is client spec?
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| 05:05 | and the serve spec too
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| 05:06 | <amol> cyberorg,on server application running fast.. how to increase performace at client side
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| 05:07 | <cyberorg> http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Increasing_performance_on_low_end_client_hardware
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| 05:09 | <amol> cyberorg, is it possible to use 3D compiz in client?
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| 05:10 | <cyberorg> amol, yes if your client hardware supports it, and if i suspect right novell is developing such technology that allows compiz even on unsupported hardware
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| 05:11 | <Nubae> it will slow down client considerably
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| 05:12 | amol, make sure u have 256 mb ram and turn ssh encryption off
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| 05:12 | <killsalad> is it possible to make ltsp server would make use of 2 network cards, because in my instalation gigabit ethernet isn't possible
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| 05:13 | <johnny> 2 network cards.. with two cables
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| 05:13 | with bonding
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| 05:13 | <Nubae> killsalad: a firewall app like shorewall should be able to bridge 2 cards
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| 05:13 | yeah bonding better
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| 05:14 | <johnny> you think?
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| 05:14 | <killsalad> Nubae: so just ip forwarding will be sufficent ?
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| 05:14 | <Nubae> yes, but like johnny said, bonding is better
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| 05:15 | http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding
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| 05:16 | <amol> killsalad, i am using two cards it is working
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| 05:16 | <Nubae> amol: 2 cards on the internal netwok?
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| 05:16 | <amol> Nubae, i am having 512Mb ram..how to turn off ssh encryption off?
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| 05:17 | <johnny> LMD_DIRECTX=Y
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| 05:17 | <killsalad> another question : is dlink router slowing down network ?
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| 05:18 | <Nubae> ldm
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| 05:18 | I use dlinks... they work pretty well
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| 05:18 | but mine are gigabit
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| 05:18 | <amol> Nubae, one i ahve connected to switch ,one is for getting internet for server
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| 05:18 | <killsalad> mine are thease cheaper ones
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| 05:19 | <Nubae> right, killsalad is talking about 3 network cards, 2 on the internal network, one to the internet
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| 05:19 | <amol> Nubae, ohh..
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| 05:19 | <killsalad> Nubae: exactly
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| 05:19 | <Nubae> well, try it out, but unless u're doing multimedia stuff or video and heavy flash stuff you should be allright
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| 05:19 | <jammcq> LDM_DIRECTX=Y (johnny had LMD_)
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| 05:20 | <johnny> oops
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| 05:20 | <Nubae> hey... how important are the spaces between =
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| 05:20 | ?
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| 05:20 | <cyberorg> hi jammcq
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| 05:20 | <Nubae> I see some people insisting it makes a difference
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| 05:20 | <killsalad> Witch network card do you recomend for serwer ?
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| 05:20 | <cyberorg> Nubae, they shouldnt matter
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| 05:20 | <amol> cyberorg, link you given is for suse..will it be ok for debian?
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| 05:20 | <cyberorg> amol, yes
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| 05:20 | <Nubae> killsalad: a gigabit card :-)
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| 05:22 | <killsalad> Nubae: beside gigabits ;) Must i avoid cheap realtek based NICs ?
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| 05:22 | <jammcq> g'morning cyberorg
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| 05:22 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 05:22 | <jammcq> Nubae: in lts.conf, spaces do NOT matter
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| 05:22 | <cyberorg> amol, you will have lts.conf in another location though
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| 05:23 | <jammcq> killsalad: realtek's are fine in the client. I'd avoid them for servers
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| 05:23 | <Nubae> yeah I'd go for 3com
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| 05:24 | I've had broadcomm tg3 driver based cards and they caused me problems...
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| 05:25 | <killsalad> so what chipset do you recomend for server?
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| 05:26 | <Nubae> chipset?
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| 05:27 | <amol> cyberorg, Nubae i tried to print from client for printing web page but it is not printing comlete data of webpage
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| 05:27 | <killsalad> nic chipset
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| 05:27 | <Q-FUNK> 3com or intel
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| 05:27 | <Nubae> 3com
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| 05:27 | built in intel is probably cheaper though :-)
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| 05:28 | <Q-FUNK> too may drivers for 3com cards default to 10mb simply because the chipset started back in stone age, instead of properly negotiating the maximum speed.
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| 05:28 | <Nubae> try checking preview amol before printing
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| 05:31 | <killsalad> Nubae: server is intel based ;)
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| 05:32 | so i've to get a rtl cadr for internet connection, and some 3com/intel for bound
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| 05:35 | <amol> Nubae, how to turn off ssh encryption off?
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| 05:37 | <Nubae> amol: johnny and jammcq gave u the answer above
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| 05:41 | <amol> Nubae, LDM_DIRECTX=Y is this one?
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| 05:42 | <Nubae> yes
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| 05:43 | <amol> is it possible to use gdm in place of ldm?/
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| 05:44 | <johnny> not if you want the stuff that makes ltsp ltsp..
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| 05:44 | local devices, local apps
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| 06:23 | <Nubae> can a dual cpu p3 700mhz act as a server?
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| 06:31 | <Q-FUNK> sure
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| 06:32 | multicore is always good
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| 07:12 | <vlt> Hello. We got some problems here with eternally running nbd server processes both for nbdrootd and nbdswapd (LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04). Any idea how to solve this?
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| 07:12 | <vlt> Hello. We got some problems here with eternally running nbd server processes both for nbdrootd and nbdswapd (LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04). Any idea how to solve this?
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| 07:13 | <ogra> check your /etc/hosts.allow
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| 07:14 | it should have a keepalive entry for nbdserver
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| 07:14 | if not, add it
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| 07:14 | that will make sure tcpd shuts it down
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| 07:16 | <vlt> ogra: In the server's /etc/hosts.allow there's this line: "nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive"
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| 07:18 | ogra: Should I change that or should this work already?
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| 07:25 | <ogra> it should work already
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| 07:25 | depending on the default keepalive time tcpd uses
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| 08:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 08:08 | morning!
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| 08:10 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey jammcq
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| 08:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning gadi
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> g'morning
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| 08:39 | <Nubae> cool, Geneva moved all its schools to Linux
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| 09:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> question pertaining to onboard thin client ram: is it possible to precache programs?
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 10:13 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 10:23 | <monteslu> hey guys, what where can i edit grub.conf or something similar so I can get more boot debug info on ltsp5 ?
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| 10:24 | something like remove quiet splash
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| 10:24 | but for the thin clients
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| 10:24 | I'm blind right now as to why, my ntavo thin clients stopped working and why I can't print anymore
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| 10:28 | <Ryan52> monteslu: look for a pxelinux.cfg in /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 10:30 | <Nubae> is it possible to make a hard drive boot rom from a cdrom instead of floppy?
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| 10:30 | <monteslu> Ryan52, exactly what I was looking for, thanks
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> Nubae: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/eb_pci.iso?modtime=1152098919&big_mirror=0
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| 10:34 | try that
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| 10:35 | <Nubae> Gadi: and that creates a hard drive based pxe boot rom?
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> that's an etherboot cdrom - if that's what ur after
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| 10:35 | what's a "hard-drive based pxe boot rom"?
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| 10:35 | <Nubae> I'd like it to be on the hard drive, not the cdrom
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| 10:35 | but transferable from a cdrom instead of a floppy
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| 10:36 | <Nubae> all the docs I've read are talk about making a floppy and then transfering that to the hard drive
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| 10:36 | my thin clients dont have floppy drives
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> y'know, it may be the coffee this morning, but I still don't get it
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| 10:36 | :)
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| 10:36 | <Nubae> booting from the the thin client's hard drive into ltsp
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> maybe you can show me the docs
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| 10:38 | <Nubae> usually u load from network card, or cdrom, or even floppy
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| 10:38 | I'd like to load from the local hard drive
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| 10:38 | but have problems putting the rom on the hard drive since I have no floppy drive
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| 10:38 | <Nubae> yeah let me find the docs
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| 10:40 | http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> Nubae: you are aware that these techniques mess with your hard drive partitioning?
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| 10:52 | not something you should do lightly
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| 10:52 | <Nubae> dont care about the drive... its just neater to do than with a cdrom
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> you don't care about the drive at aall?
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| 10:52 | does it need to dual-boot?
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| 10:52 | <Nubae> nope... its just a thin client
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> oh, then that's easy
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| 10:53 | you should just be able to grab the standard etherboot stuff that you would *normally* write to /dev/fd0 and write it to the hdd
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| 10:54 | you waste 99% of the hdd space
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| 10:54 | :)
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| 10:54 | but, hey
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| 10:55 | brb
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| 10:56 | <Nubae> I get that... but I need to write it from a cdrom somehow... ie... load some form of minimal linux on cdrom, then write to hdd
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| 10:59 | <Gadi> knoppix?
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| 10:59 | there a a million of those
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| 10:59 | :)
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| 10:59 | ubuntu live cd
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| 11:00 | <Nubae> right... doh
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> or use your etherboot cdrom to boot from the network, drop into a shell, and do it
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| 11:01 | :)
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| 11:01 | you can use LTSP
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| 11:01 | :)
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| 11:03 | <cyberorg> Gadi, is so happy :)
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| 11:05 | <Gadi> yo mama's thin client's so fat... the only thing it's missing is a place to save the porn...
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| 11:06 | * Gadi elbows jammcq ans sbalneav | |
| 11:06 | <Gadi> *and
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| 11:08 | yo mama's thin client's so fat... when she logs in, she needs to eat her way out
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> Badum-bum
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| 11:08 | * Gadi watches the tumbleweed.... | |
| 11:08 | <sbalneav> <<crickets chirping>>
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> yo mama had a fat client once - cost her $20/hr just for the room!
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| 11:10 | nothin? really?
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| 11:10 | *sigh*
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| 11:10 | * Gadi goes back to his day-job | |
| 11:10 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> The big hook hasn't come out yet, so keep trying :)
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| 11:11 | <cyberorg> Gadi, for a moment i thought yo mama routine was your day job :D
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| 11:12 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "ifconfig -a" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/79
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| 11:13 | <Nubae> welp, pasted here instead of #edubuntu
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> oh man, I missed the comedy stylings of Gadi
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> jammcq: evidently you're not the only one ;)
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| 11:15 | <sbalneav> Gadi: You keep telling the jokes. I like 'em.
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> And really, it's only my happiness that matters. :)
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| 11:17 | <jammcq> nice little ecosystem here. Gadi tells jokes, makes scotty happy. what more could you ask for.
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> yo mama's thin client's so fat.... when it runs a flash animation - even the nudists protest!
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| 11:20 | <Nubae> that one isn't too bad... you're getting better ;-)
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| 11:21 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I have a nude beach near my cottage, I'd say that one's a winner!
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| 11:22 | <Q-FUNK> next thing you know, it's gonna be #nudehack in here
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| 11:23 | * jammcq votes for the next hackfest to be held at Scotty's cottage | |
| 11:23 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: nude beach west of ottawa river?! you gotta be joking?
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| 11:23 | yeah, let's all beam up to alsama
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> lol
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| 11:24 | how about skit night? ;)
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| 11:24 | <Q-FUNK> skit row
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| 11:24 | no kilt required
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| 11:24 | <jammcq> skit night, eh? could be fun
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| 11:25 | we could do charades
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| 12:02 | <monteslu> is jetpipe still the way to make thin clients print servers?
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| 12:12 | <gbolte> monteslu, I believe so
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| 12:12 | <monteslu> gbolte, yeah. I forgot that it was a bug in 8.04
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| 12:12 | somehow the jetpipe script was left out
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| 12:13 | <gbolte> or at least it is still in for opensuse
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| 12:14 | yeah a while back python got ripped out of the image for opensuse causing jetpipe to fail
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| 12:14 | :/
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| 12:14 | <monteslu> oops
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| 12:14 | <gbolte> but thats been fixed for some time now
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| 12:30 | <Blinny> Gadi: I've finally gotten around to using your newer process-killing script - Looks really nice and wtmp works again. Yea! Your rox-0x0rz.
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| 12:33 | <johnny> what was sbalneav talking about with cups before?
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| 12:34 | <Q-FUNK> bad cups, bad cups, watchagonnado? watchagonnado when they postscript you?
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| 12:35 | * _UsUrPeR_ facepalms | |
| 12:36 | <gbolte> ...
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> Blinny: cool - let ogra know - he was just asking me the other day about my crazy pkill thingy
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| 12:37 | <Nubae> can I take a look?
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> Nubae: not unless you know the password
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| 12:38 | j/k
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| 12:38 | lemme find it...
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| 12:38 | <Nubae> heh
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> unless Blinny has it handy
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| 12:39 | <Nubae> blinny why dont u make a wiki entry under help.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 12:39 | <Q-FUNK> it has to be said that the sheer amount of eyecandy in Tallinn is unbelievable
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| 12:39 | <Nubae> this will be useful to a lot of people
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| 12:39 | Tallinn?
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| 12:39 | eyecandy scantly clad women I suppose ;-)
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| 12:39 | <Q-FUNK> jah
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| 12:40 | erm... yeah, close enough
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| 12:40 | <Gadi> i guess that's why the inn is so tall...
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| 12:40 | <Nubae> lol
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| 12:40 | <Q-FUNK> just that the average level of attractiveness is much higher here than in many places I've been
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| 12:41 | :D
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> in the irc channel?
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| 12:41 | <Q-FUNK> the odd part is, the tallest inn here is swisshotel. draw your own conclusions. ;)
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| 12:42 | vagrantc: in Tallinn
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> sounds like a language
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| 12:42 | <Nubae> an elven language
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| 12:43 | <Q-FUNK> asides from ex-soviet grannies, hard to find one girl who is not at least remotely attractive. the average girl here is someone who could steal the center page of any magazine in her sleep.
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| 12:43 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "I think this was it, Nubae..." (80 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/80
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> i was thinking indian ...
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| 12:43 | <Nubae> hmmm... sounds like a nice place to live
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| 12:44 | * Gadi bets they like yo mama's thin client jokes there, too | |
| 12:44 | <Q-FUNK> hheh
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| 12:44 | yeah, their mamas are all the slim and tall types
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> perfect
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| 12:45 | :)
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| 12:47 | <Nubae> what did u name the script and at what runlevel?
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> Nubae: save to: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/rc.d/S15userLoginCheck
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| 12:48 | reroll the image
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| 12:49 | and set: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION = True
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| 12:49 | in lts.conf
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| 12:50 | it should prompt the user that they are logged in elsewhere and offer to proceed, killing the old session
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> and as a by-product, it should clean up old procs
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| 12:51 | without prompting
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| 12:51 | <Nubae> nice... I'll test it at my school
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> it's evil incarnate
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| 12:51 | but people like that
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| 12:51 | :)
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| 12:52 | <Nubae> yeah like watchdog...
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| 12:52 | but this looks nicer
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> If we can fix ldm and the sessions to do things properly, we won't need such savage scripts
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| 12:53 | <Nubae> well, gnome needs to be fixed too :-)
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> hopefully, that will be revisited this hackfest
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| 12:53 | well, it's not gnome's fault
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| 12:53 | <Nubae> still too many programs that dont handle well in multi-user environments
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> actually, gnome works properly - its ldm's fault
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| 12:54 | no - the stale procs are mostly due to us
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| 12:54 | <Nubae> really?
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> but, fixing it requires that we fix it properly across distros
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| 12:54 | so, we have to be careful
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> yeah, we brutally kill off the session
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| 12:55 | usually before it has a chance to communicate with the procs that it needs to
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| 12:55 | so they dissociate
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> we don't close the session properly
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| 12:55 | <Nubae> ahhh... that kinda makes sense
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> we kill
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| 12:55 | and killing is never nice
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> we only do it, because we're selfish
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| 12:55 | <Nubae> you kill nice processes :-)
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> we kill the processes we don't understand
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| 12:55 | :)
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| 12:56 | the ones we haven't met
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| 12:56 | or gotten to know
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| 12:56 | <Nubae> well the evil processes are zombies
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| 12:56 | :-)
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> sure are
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| 12:56 | that's where evil processes go when they die
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| 12:56 | :)
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| 12:57 | doomed to walk the process tree....
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| 12:57 | neither living nor dead
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| 12:57 | <Nubae> I remember a friend of mine making a long joke about evil processes, zombies and the like...
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| 12:57 | lots of linux vocabulary revolved around it
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| 12:58 | can't remember now...
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| 13:02 | <johnny> Gadi, iirc tho.. .gvfs still doesn't disassociate properly , even if you logout in normal session
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| 13:03 | maybe that's fixed in 2.23 tho..
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> well, if anyone wants to try out: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ldm-trunk-gadi
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| 13:03 | <cyberorg> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=370730
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> and tell me if logout still works on your distro, that's be great
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| 13:04 | this one kills the kids of the ssh tunnel, allowing the tunnel to die on its own
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| 13:04 | rather than killing the tunnel itself
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| 13:04 | That *should* play nicer with most things... (I think)
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| 13:04 | <johnny> even screen?
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> well, any child process of the parent tunnel - right now, when you log out, the entire parent tunnel is killed
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| 13:05 | so, it would be the same
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| 13:06 | does screen persist with a logout right now?
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| 13:06 | <johnny> not sure
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| 13:07 | iirc vagrantc was interested in that
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| 13:07 | in making sure that use case worked
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| 13:07 | <Nubae> where is screen used in ltsp?
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> yeah - this whole business of preserving processes intentionally between logouts, I don't think is either a) currently addressed or b) currently a concern for 99% of the userbase
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| 13:08 | * Gadi thinks it was ogra's concern - but I think it was a comment on architecture of a new approach rather than something that we needed to preserve from what we currently do | |
| 13:08 | <johnny> Nubae, it isn't
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| 13:09 | but users might use it
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| 13:09 | me personally, i don't need such a thing
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| 13:09 | but it was vagrantc's issue with things like gnome-watchdog and that script of moquist's
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> yeah, it's just silliness to let that bog us down while we have more fundamental problems
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| 13:10 | <Nubae> indeed
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> cyberorg: killing the X connection abruptly is difficult to tackle client-side
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| 13:11 | the best approach is to set up your ssh server to timeout connections
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| 13:12 | <cyberorg> Gadi, issue we are having is gvfsd is still alive after user logs off
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> after a certain period of idleness
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| 13:12 | I "zapped the X server" != log off
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| 13:12 | :)
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| 13:12 | does it happen with a proper log off, as well?
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| 13:12 | <cyberorg> Gadi, doing a proper log off from the session
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| 13:13 | <Gadi> "I log in, and shortly afterwards quit by zapping the X server - ctrl-alt-backspace. I log in again, then I have two of a number of daemons: "
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| 13:13 | that is a different use case
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| 13:13 | <cyberorg> Gadi, that is what the reporter says, but the same issue is with ltsp user
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| 13:13 | he has gvfs* lingering even after loging off
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> inthat case, try: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ldm-trunk-gadi
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| 13:14 | see if it helps
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| 13:14 | <cyberorg> Gadi, what part from there?
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| 13:14 | <cyberorg> oh, ldm
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| 13:14 | ok, will do
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> just the last change
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| 13:15 | many of these types of issues stem from the sshd not issuing a close session command
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| 13:15 | but rather simply dying abruptly
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| 13:15 | so, it doesn't clean up
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| 13:15 | and things like gvfs are like: wtf?
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| 13:15 | <cyberorg> Gadi, if it works, lets just merge your "improvements"
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| 13:17 | <Gadi> cyberorg: I think everything is merged except the last change
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| 13:18 | <cyberorg> k
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> but, thiings like this need a lot of testing
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| 13:18 | <cyberorg> bzr takes forever to get
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> because different versions of things and different desktops behave differently
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| 13:18 | cyberorg: youmay need to upgrade your bzr
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| 13:19 | <cyberorg> azaar (bzr) 1.5
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> ah - higher than me
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| 13:19 | :)
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| 13:19 | well, you can see the diff online
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| 13:20 | I just made a small change
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| 13:21 | <cyberorg> pkill -P $PPID", NULL); ?
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| 13:21 | <sbalneav> I think the kill -1 at the end is a source of a lot of the problems.
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| 13:22 | I meant to sit down and try to figure out why the logout doesn't happen if we do the proper ssh tunnel shutdown.
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| 13:23 | I think I may give some thought to that tonight.
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> sbalneav: if you could test this, too, that'd be great
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| 13:24 | <johnny> so gentlemen.. for those who don't know.. i've integrated local apps stuff into my ebuilds, and got sound working finally.. turns out it was issues with esd running.. DUH
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> cyberorg: yes
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| 13:25 | * Gadi passes johnny a beer | |
| 13:25 | <johnny> i finally added the syslinux dep too
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| 13:26 | need a way to select yaboot too.. for those who are insane
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> sbalneav: btw: vagrantc and I had the whole ssh -O stuff working
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| 13:28 | but, it failed for warren
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| 13:28 | for vagrantc, it worked when he used sshd version >=5
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| 13:29 | * Gadi waves to ogra | |
| 13:29 | * ogra waves from a hotelroom at http://www.osimworld.com | |
| 13:30 | <Gadi> wow - a hotel room! did you get promoted? ;)
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| 13:34 | <AlienX_> hotel rooms are overrated. Sleeping under bridges FTW!
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> Gadi: yeah, so it's an ssh version thing.
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| 13:35 | It would be nice to get it going properly under older ssh's
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> sbalneav: but, it failed for warren - and he was running ssh >5
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| 13:35 | so, the jury's still out
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| 13:36 | meanwhile I think using pkill -P instead of kill will work, too
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| 13:36 | at least, it should solve the pam issue
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| 13:36 | I am hopeful it will solve the proc issues too
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| 13:39 | <ogra> AlienX_, well, i didnt say *my* hotelroom
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| 13:40 | the room i sleep in is nearly brige quality ... thats what you get booking yourself instead of relying on a travel agent :P
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| 13:42 | <Pascal_1> gadi you 're speaking about this bug : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471793 ?
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> yup
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| 13:43 | as one example
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> pam_mount does not call unmount because sshd is murdered
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| 13:44 | if you kill sshd's kids, sshd will end her own life
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| 13:44 | and, poetically, tell pam - her best friend
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| 13:44 | <jammcq> she'll have nothing to live for
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 13:44 | pam will weep, and be by her side until the end
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| 13:45 | <jammcq> maybe pam will reap ?
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| 13:51 | <gbolte> anyone knoe if there is a way in gnome or otherwise to search by file creation date
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| 13:52 | <johnny> find ? :)
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> man find
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| 13:53 | <johnny> find startpath -ctime
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| 13:53 | don't know the format of -ctime arg tho
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| 13:53 | <jammcq> the +/- ctime flag wants the number of days. I think '-' means less than x days
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| 13:54 | '+' means more than that many days
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| 13:54 | and without either, it means exactly that many days
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| 13:54 | <gbolte> johnny, thanks
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> find / -ctime 30
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| 13:54 | that'll find all files less than 30 days old
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| 13:55 | <gbolte> alright I need to find a file created on september 5th
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| 13:55 | :)
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| 13:55 | <jammcq> today is the 18th
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| 13:55 | so, that could be 12 or 13 days ago, depending on what time
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| 13:55 | <jammcq> so maybe something like: find / -ctime 13 +ctime 12
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| 13:56 | not sure if it works like that tho
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| 13:56 | <gbolte> alright I will give it a shot and see what happens
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| 13:56 | :D
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| 13:56 | <jammcq> might need 14 and 11
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| 13:56 | experiment
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| 13:56 | it's not like you'll break it :)
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> oh, and don't forget to pipe to xargs rm -f
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| 13:56 | doh!
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| 13:57 | <jammcq> nah, you could just do -exec rm -f {}\;
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| 13:57 | but.... read the man page first, to see what kind of detruction that will cause
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| 13:58 | <johnny> my favorite is the chmod
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| 13:58 | that's what i mainly use find for
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| 13:58 | since chmod -R rarely does what i need
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| 13:58 | -type d and -type f
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> johnny: you do chmod -R with letters and not numbers, yes?
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| 14:00 | <johnny> depends
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| 14:00 | either way.. usually i don't want to mark the files executable
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| 14:00 | and even with letters that will happen
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> true
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| 14:01 | <gbolte> lol find dosent work on novfs
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| 14:01 | :/
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| 14:01 | lame
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| 14:02 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 14:02 | why would find care? it's just asking the VFS to do stuff
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| 14:02 | <gbolte> dont know
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| 14:04 | <johnny> novfs ?
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| 14:08 | <Nubae> anyone tried using an eeepc as thin client?
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| 14:09 | <cyberorg> Nubae, asmo did, works out of box on suse
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| 14:10 | <Nubae> how did he set the asus to boot from network
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| 14:10 | <johnny> something about plugging something else in..
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| 14:10 | hmm.. what was that..
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| 14:10 | oh.. the power cable
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| 14:10 | unplugging it
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| 14:10 | <cyberorg> he had usb card
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| 14:11 | <Nubae> unplug power cable?
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| 14:11 | <cyberorg> http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/12/awesome/
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| 14:12 | <gbolte> johnny, novfs is Novell's network filesystem basically
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| 14:12 | <johnny> lol
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| 14:13 | <gbolte> their psudo answer to windows filesharing in an AD environment
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| 14:13 | IMO its crap
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| 14:14 | <johnny> i thought samba could do that..
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| 14:14 | <gbolte> but until we get a better way to auto mount directories for users thats what we have
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| 14:15 | <johnny> seems easier to fix that problem than create a new fs..
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| 14:16 | <gbolte> johnny, yeah samba can do that, but the problem is there isn't a good way that I know of to automout things like public and users My Documents and whatnot
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| 14:16 | <johnny> gbolte, sure.. but as i said.. sounds more fixable than creating a new fs
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| 14:16 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 14:16 | <johnny> seems like a nice session script could do it..
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| 14:16 | <gbolte> possibly
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| 14:17 | not sure how to handle authentication
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| 14:17 | <johnny> pam?
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| 14:17 | <gbolte> to what
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| 14:17 | <johnny> whatever it is you're trying to mount
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| 14:18 | <cyberorg> gbolte, samba+ldap, it has automount too
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| 14:18 | <gbolte> well we essentially have samba ldap with edirectory
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| 14:18 | <cyberorg> you can have windows authenticating and have roaming profiles too
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| 14:19 | that is what we use here, and as a bonus windoz is protected by clamav samba-vscan ;)
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| 14:19 | <gbolte> yeah, we have very few windows installs left
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| 14:19 | so thats good
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| 14:19 | :)
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| 14:20 | but the main issue is just making it so a "Public" share shows on a users desktop and a "My Documents" shows in their home dir all on login
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| 14:21 | not sure how to go about doing that
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| 14:21 | the way novell dose it is with sym links
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| 14:22 | so to programs they do not appear as remote
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| 14:22 | they are all symlinked to a virtual filesystem in /var/opt/novell/nclmount
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| 14:23 | so when a user logs in they authenticate with that kernel module and the symlinks are made for them and they have the appropriate permissions for each share
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| 14:25 | <Nubae> ah... there it goes... the atheros pxe setup wasnt saving settings, only works when set in bios itself
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| 14:25 | <gbolte> anyway sorry I am sure none of you are really THAT interested in this :P
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| 14:38 | <Blinny> autofs can do great automounting of FSs
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> ugh.
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| 14:38 | * vagrantc sure likes ltspfs | |
| 14:39 | <Blinny> If ltspfs could remount home directories I'd be all over that like a dog on ham.
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| 14:40 | <gbolte> Blinny, yah I am looking into this problem a little more...I have to have a fuse based samba filesystem because the user has to be able to mount it with no root access
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| 14:40 | <Blinny> Right.
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| 14:41 | G'luck (;
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| 14:41 | <gbolte> ha
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| 14:41 | yeah
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| 14:41 | why do you think we are still using novfs
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| 14:41 | :P
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| 14:46 | <johnny> you'd think that with CAPs that'd be possible
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| 14:47 | <gbolte> CAPs?
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| 14:47 | <Blinny> Concurrent Access Permissions ?
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| 14:47 | Crappy Allocation Parameters ?
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| 14:47 | <gbolte> lol
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| 14:48 | <Blinny> Credenzas Always Possess (s)tuff
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| 14:48 | Bah.
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| 14:48 | Later
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| 14:49 | <johnny> no.. linux capabilities
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| 14:49 | you can restrict apps to certain levesl
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| 14:49 | levels of access
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| 14:49 | <Nubae> hmmm my eeepc is freezing on bootup from pxe
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| 14:49 | <johnny> of course it doesn't work if apps check for uid 0
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| 14:50 | but those apps should be fixed
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| 14:54 | <Nubae> wierd, the eeepc is gettting a kernel panic... /init Can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> Nubae: because of the wireless card
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| 14:55 | (or because you lack the driver)
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| 14:55 | actually, prolly the latter
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| 14:55 | you lack the driver
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| 14:55 | is it the atom-based unit?
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| 14:56 | <Nubae> nope, atom is the classmate
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| 14:57 | I disabled the wireless
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> *mY eeepc is atom ;)
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| 14:57 | * Gadi has the 901 | |
| 14:57 | <Nubae> really... that new?
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> la la la
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| 14:57 | <Nubae> ahhh
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| 14:57 | * Gadi loves it | |
| 14:57 | <Nubae> this be the old small screeny one
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> took it on vacation, connected it to my phone and used my phone as modem
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| 14:58 | <Nubae> yeah its a wonderful little machine, amazing how stable it is... they say 80% of users have stuck with linux
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> I could be online anywhere
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| 14:58 | installed wine, so my wife could run her board-exam CDs
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| 14:58 | downloaded Transformers for my older one for the airplane
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| 14:59 | 8 hours of battery life
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| 14:59 | a beautiful thing
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| 14:59 | <johnny> i was hoping they'd make a smaller one based on atom
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| 14:59 | <Nubae> what os, regular xandros or something else?
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> right now, regular xandros
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| 14:59 | haven't had time to hack
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| 14:59 | :)
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| 14:59 | besides, they made everything work
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| 15:00 | who am I to break things ;)
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> netbook remix will look good on it
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| 15:00 | so still getting the same error, I disabled the wireless
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> yeah, it's a driver thing
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| 15:00 | you booting ubuntu?
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> yep regular gnome ltsp
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> boot locally into it, open a terminal and find out the ethernet module
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| 15:01 | *driver
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| 15:01 | (open a terminal with ctrl-alt-t - xandros just used icewm :) )
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| 15:02 | * Gadi has to run | |
| 15:02 | <Gadi> ciao
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| 15:09 | <sfyn> hello
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| 15:09 | <sfyn> Anyone in here feel like helping me troubleshoot a usb key issue?
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| 15:09 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "Certain users cannot open OpenOffice (even after 'rm -rf ~/.openoffice2.org')" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/81
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| 15:10 | <Lns> Anybody have any clues as to my issue (paste above) ? Random users on LTSP cannot access OpenOffice, even after config wipe
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| 15:12 | <johnny> is it still running?
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| 15:12 | <Lns> johnny: ?
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| 15:16 | <johnny> openoffice..
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| 15:16 | is it still running in the background
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| 15:16 | or did a piece of it start, and not the whole thing, etc
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| 15:18 | <Lns> johnny: oh, .. not sure.
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| 15:19 | lemme check.
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| 15:46 | <Lns> johnny: thanks..that was the issue. It'd be nice for programs to check to see if it's already running, and in what state, before they silently crash!
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| 16:06 | <johnny> Lns, at least you can hack it
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| 16:06 | with a wrapper shell script
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| 16:06 | pkill -u -f openofficecommand
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| 16:53 | <sfyn> hello
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| 16:53 | Anyone here want to help me with a usb key on thin clients issue?
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| 16:53 | <Lns> !help
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| 16:53 | <ltspbot`> Lns: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 16:54 | <Lns> err.. hehe
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| 16:54 | sfyn: go ahead, don't ask to ask, just ask =)
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| 16:54 | <sfyn> ok
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| 16:54 | I've been following the troubleshooting steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 16:55 | Which led me to connect as root via vt1 on a thin client, and try plugging in a sub key
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| 16:55 | dmesg shows the key being activated, and it appears in fstab
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| 16:55 | I was also able to mount it usinf the command mount /dev/sda1 /tmp
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| 16:56 | but when I tried this command: ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.2.10 192.168.2.10 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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| 16:56 | The error message I got: Cannot open X display
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| 16:56 | Error: /tmp/.root-ltspfs/tmp is not mounted
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| 16:57 | Well and I'm not sure where to go from here
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| 17:23 | <Lns> sfyn: sorry, i've never delved that much into localdev... hopefully someone else here can help though. stick around
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| 17:42 | <gbolte> lol
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| 17:43 | he didnt stick around long
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| 17:43 | <Lns> Would it make sense at all to say that a certain h/w configuration of TC can slow the entire LTSP network down? I have a tech telling me that a certain type of machine they have makes all thin-clients slow down as soon as they boot them to LTSP.
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| 17:43 | heh gbolte
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| 17:43 | s/boot/boot and login
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| 17:43 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 17:43 | I am not sure
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| 17:44 | <Lns> it just doesn't make sense to me...but i definitely don't know everything about ltsp
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| 17:47 | <Lns> I just enabled & configured NBD_SWAP so hopefully that will help.
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| 17:47 | * Lns never knew there was an /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf file to create when turning on swap | |
| 17:48 | <vagrantc> it's optional
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| 17:48 | or at least, should be.
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| 17:51 | <Lns> vagrantc: ah. Default is 32, right?
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| 17:53 | * Lns verifies at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ch03s05.html | |
| 18:01 | * Lns gives the unsolicited advice to add URL http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/server.html to topic | |
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| 19:46 | <jammcq> hello
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| 20:02 | <johnny> hi
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| 21:12 | <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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| 21:14 | im trying to follow the ubuntu ltsp guide, with the exception that i have an 3rd party dhcp server
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| 21:15 | its almost working, but when i boot i go to an (initramfs) prompt, where it seems i cannot see/mount my root partition
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| 21:15 | i feel like im a directive away or something
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| 21:29 | the root partition is made available through nfs, right?
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| 21:30 | maybe i should check to see if nfs is exporting directories correctly?
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| 21:43 | <johnny> ubuntu uses nbd by default
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| 22:25 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:26 | <johnny> scottriffic
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| 22:29 | <sbalneav> I would also accept Scottastic, or Scottossitude.
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| 22:30 | <johnny> scottastic was my 2nd choice
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| 22:30 | i was debating
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| 23:33 | <amol> johnny, how to access local harddisk at client side?
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| 23:38 | <johnny> please just ask the room next time
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| 23:38 | don't ask specific people
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| 23:39 | i have to run for a little bit
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| 23:39 | <amol> hi to all, how to access local harddisk our pen drive at client side?
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| 23:40 | <johnny> pen drive isn't hte same as local hard disk :)
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| 23:40 | if pen drive doesn't work
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| 23:40 | follow the local devices debugging tips on ubuntu wiki
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| 23:42 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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