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Channel log from 13 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:49 | <jonnoob> hello... need guidance in a sound problem...
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| 04:12 | <artur> hi all
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| 04:14 | I have problem with my ltsp 4.2u2: I can't start LTSP on my computer client with LAN card Realtek 8111B
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| 04:14 | What can I do?
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| 04:19 | <artur> does LTSP support LAN driver Realtek 8111B?
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| 04:19 | please answer
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| 04:20 | sorry for my english ;)
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| 04:25 | hallo, anybody is here ?
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| 04:35 | <artur> where Can I find help about LTSP ?
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| 04:35 | because I see that here people don't answer
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| 04:35 | :(
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| 04:37 | <patrickb> artur: most people on this channel are in the US so are probably asleep right now....what is your problem with card?
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| 04:45 | <artur> oo...I'm sorry
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| 04:47 | My problem: My computer client have LAN card Realtek 8111B
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| 04:47 | and I can't run LTSP on this computer
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| 04:50 | LTSP have driver for Realtek 8139 (like: 8139too or rtl8139) but doesn't work
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| 04:50 | sorry for my english ;)
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| 04:51 | Do you have any idea, what can I do?
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| 04:52 | <cliebow> jammcq is the kernel man..he can answer best..when he gets up..
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| 04:55 | <patrickb> i believe that the realtek cadrs are supported within linux... does the card support PXE? if not you will need to use the boot floppy with boot rom on
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| 04:56 | <artur> realtek cards are supported within linux and this card support PXE (my relatek 8111B is on motherboard card)
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| 04:57 | <patrickb> what symptoms are you getting?
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| 04:59 | <artur> I get this message:
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| 04:59 | ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card.
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| 04:59 | PCI cards should be detected automatically.
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| 04:59 | ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require
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| 04:59 | the nic driver to be specified in a 'NIC=' parameter
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| 04:59 | to be passed on the kernel command line,
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| 04:59 | usually specified in option-129, in the
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| 04:59 | /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See the LTSP docs for more info.
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| 04:59 | <McPolo> We are testing movie playing in ltsp. For "some" reason it isn't flowing gently.
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| 05:00 | One video generates 4Mbyte/s network traffic.
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| 05:02 | <artur> In file niclist I don't have NIC for Realtek 8111B
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| 05:03 | <patrickb> artur: seems tho it is a kernel issue...as cliebow said you will have to wait till Jammcq wakes
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| 05:04 | <artur> ok..thank for any help, a wait on Jammcq
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| 05:05 | <cliebow> artur:it cant read the niclist til after second dhcp
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| 05:05 | you can gogle to figger out what module is necessaty and then use option 128/9 to specify
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| 05:06 | option option 129 "NIC=whatever" to feed the kernel the info
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| 05:06 | assuming it is compiled in the kernel
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| 05:06 | start with rtl8139
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| 05:07 | <artur> with rtl8139 or 8139too - my client doesn't work
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| 05:12 | <artur> If anybody knows, Jammcq will be about which hour?
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| 05:17 | <cliebow> id guess another hour..
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| 08:58 | <pani_alex> finaly have make wake up a client
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| 08:58 | but can use the mouse
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| 08:59 | how do i sey that i usa a serial mouse
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| 08:59 | ?
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| 09:00 | <joebaker> pani_alex: here's a stanza in lts.conf I've used for a system with a serial mouse: Maybe it will work for you. Search the wiki for other documentation: [chuckf]
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| 09:00 | server = 192.168.0.252
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| 09:00 | XSERVER = auto
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| 09:00 | X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft"
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| 09:00 | X_MOUSE_DEVICE ="/dev/ttyS0"
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| 09:00 | X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 300
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| 09:01 | <pani_alex> i'll prove it
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| 09:01 | thanks
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| 09:10 | <pani_alex> joebaker: it works ;)
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| 09:11 | how do i make that the client don't have acces to the /boo and / only to the home?
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| 09:28 | <joebaker> pani_alex: Glad to hear of your success!
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| 09:30 | pani_alex: Those are UNIX file permissions questions. Essentially, most system directories are already designed to let users see and execute things that they need to in order to support running their desktops, yet users are not able to modify system components that are necessary for other users.
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| 09:31 | <pani_alex> i get this error "ya existe un servidor x activook"
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| 09:31 | ok
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| 09:32 | <joebaker> pani_alex: There are various schemes for handling permissions: But the most common is to create Groups and then make users members of the group. Make the /boo directory "owned" by that group, writable by the group attribute, and executable by the group.
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| 09:33 | <pani_alex> ok
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| 09:33 | <joebaker> pani_alex: Search the internet for the phrase "private groups" to learn more of this technique.
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| 09:33 | <pani_alex> i'll try it later
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| 09:33 | <joebaker> ls -la /home
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| 09:34 | <pani_alex> joebaker: cuestion, have you used the ltspthinadmin?
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| 09:34 | <joebaker> to see if each user has his username listed htree times for each directory
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| 09:34 | If so then you have a user system which allows for private groups.
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| 09:35 | I think Fedora core does by default. So this would be very good for what you are trying to accomplish.
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| 09:35 | No I've never used it.
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| 09:36 | Checking google with site:ltsp.org ltspthinadmin
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| 09:36 | <bphar_> I am using Gnome 2.14 with K12LTSPFC5 and can not get SVG to become background image. Is there a file missing or something that I need to do to make this happen?
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| 09:37 | <joebaker> http://ltsp-thinadmin.sourceforge.net/english/index.html OK I've found it here...
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| 09:38 | Does that "ltspthinadmin" tool come loaded with K12LTSP?
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| 11:09 | <pani_alex> joebaker: sorry i wend uot lunch
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| 11:22 | <g333k_work> Hi, I have installed K12ltsp 4.2.3 EL, I got the gdm window but I cannot login, it says that the user doesnt exist, but I've already created some users, any clue?
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| 11:31 | <pscheie> g333k_work: can you login on the console?
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| 11:35 | <panialex> i have touched my lts.comf an my client don wake up any more
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| 11:35 | it says to see the xorg.log
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| 11:36 | but it isn't where it says to see it
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| 11:37 | in /tmp/mnt/xorg.log
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| 11:45 | <g333k_work> pscheie, let me check
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| 11:57 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 11:59 | <pscheie> greetings jammcq
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: if you didn't figure out a way to build a debian chroot, i can build you oe and tarball it up.
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| 12:47 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: haven't gotten around to it yet. but i'll do it once i need it, no need to spend time on it
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| 12:48 | <pscheie> dtrask: what's the new name for NELS?
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| 12:49 | <dtrask> dunno yet, but we want to reflect Open Source as a whole and not just Linux....Linux will still be a big part of it, but we feel the name needs to change a little...also NE is for northeast....DC ain't in the northeast :-)
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| 12:49 | <pscheie> where in DC are you holding it?
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| 12:49 | <dtrask> pscheie: We're open to ideas for names ;-)
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| 12:50 | <pscheie> Ugh, don't ask me for names, I'm terrible at coming up with them.
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| 12:50 | <dtrask> pscheie: Nothing solid yet, but most likely at Gallaudet University
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| 12:51 | <pscheie> We struggled for months to come up with even NCLS which was suboptimal since we were focusing just on k12ltsp
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| 12:51 | <dtrask> ;-)
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| 12:51 | pscheie:
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| 12:51 | <pscheie> Had hoped to get some of the local private schools to bite, perhap host so we could provide dorm rooms
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| 12:51 | <dtrask> pscheie: for the first couple years it was simply "The Linux conference"
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| 12:52 | LOL
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| 12:52 | <pscheie> but best we got was a community college.
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| 12:52 | But I still see it as progress, we'll just keep plugging away.
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| 12:52 | <dtrask> pscheie: Dorm rooms are key for us...it's intended to be an immersive experience
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| 12:52 | amen
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| 12:52 | gotta' start somewhere
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| 12:53 | <pscheie> My dilemna this year is whether to have it at the comm college, which has been offered,
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| 12:53 | or at my kids' school again
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| 12:53 | the latter is relevant because we're just starting a pilot of ltsp servers in the
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| 12:53 | classroom ala Morris Brandon in Atlanta
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| 12:54 | <dtrask> pscheie: cool...good idea
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| 12:54 | <pscheie> last year I couldn't even get the school techs to attend. sigh.
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| 12:54 | <dtrask> pscheie: Really?
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| 12:54 | pscheie: why wouldn't they come?
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| 12:54 | <pscheie> But MB really crystalized it for me: ONLY linux via ltsp can drive the cost down so low
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| 12:55 | that it is feaible in acquisition cost, staff, power, replacement, disposal, to get to
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| 12:55 | a 2:1 student-computer ratio. You'll never get there with Win or Mac
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| 12:56 | They didn't come because they're mostly Mac people, as is the district.
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| 12:56 | My pilot isn't off the ground yet: I went and pitched it to the superintendent, showing
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| 12:56 | <dtrask> pscheie: true....the trick I've found...is not to go in trumpets blaring, but rather, just do it....quietly and let it show itself
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| 12:56 | <pscheie> what MB had done, how only linux makes it possible, etc.
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| 12:57 | She liked the idea, and told her staff she wants to do the pilot and is providing the money
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| 12:57 | for the servers and stuff.
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| 12:57 | <dtrask> pscheie: the trumpets blaring approach raises people's hackles and makes them defensive. Many schools just install an LTSP lab somewhere and let it speak for itself and then they expand
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| 12:57 | <pscheie> The IT director and I get along well, and have great conversations--but while I'm the
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| 12:57 | <dtrask> pscheie: awesome!
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| 12:58 | <pscheie> 'architect', he's the one who actually makes things happen, and that seems to be dragging out.
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| 12:58 | Rather frustrating, actually.
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| 12:58 | To be fair, he's got a ton of other issues to deal with.
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| 12:58 | <dtrask> pscheie: i can see how it would be....it's hard not being in charge and being able to get things done
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| 12:59 | pscheie: yes, but in the end....many of those issues will go away ;-)
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| 12:59 | <pscheie> That's what I keep telling him and his staff...but it's different, so it's hard I'm sure
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| 13:00 | Serendipitously, my company was about to dispose of a bunch of laptops that work great as
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| 13:00 | thin clients, so I grabbed about 100 of them, so we have all the clients we need for now without even trying!
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| 13:00 | <dtrask> pscheie: at some point they simply need to make the concious decision that they are going to do it...and let some of the little fires smolder while they get it up and running
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| 13:01 | <pscheie> I think that once we get a few classrooms going, teacher demand will be the spur
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| 13:01 | So, I'd like to showcase my own school at the conference, but I'd also like to take the
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| 13:01 | comm college up on their offer.
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| 13:02 | <dtrask> pscheie: It will....once the other teachers see how much more the kids can get done...they'll want some. Happened here....trick is to be ready when they are.
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| 13:02 | <pscheie> Do you have dates for your formerly-known-as-NELS conference?
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| 13:02 | <dtrask> in June 19-22....in July...week of 8th....in august 1st week
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| 13:03 | <pscheie> Got any weddings you have to attend the week before the June dates? ;-)
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| 13:03 | <dtrask> not yet....why?
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| 13:04 | <pscheie> Wasn't it a wedding that kept you from coming to Mpls. last summer? There may have been other reasons.
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| 13:04 | <dtrask> pscheie: Oh yeah! I remember....hmmm....maybe we can revisit that idea
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| 13:05 | <pscheie> I'd still love to have you and/or Matt come talk about LDAP
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| 13:06 | <dtrask> let's keep in touch and see what we can do....by then the new Edubuntu will be out with the new Network Authentication server which makes LDAP a snap
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| 13:06 | <pscheie> BTW, do your classrooms have enough clients for 2:1 ratio? If so, do you see much value in the ME laptop program?
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| 13:06 | <dtrask> Matt and I were at the UDS in Mtn. View this past week for that reason
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| 13:06 | Yes, however the laptops are 1:1
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| 13:07 | yeah...I have to admit the ability to learn anytime...anywhere is pretty powerful
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| 13:07 | <pscheie> What interesting things came up UDS?
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| 13:08 | <dtrask> If they were Windoze laptops I'd have to say not, but since they're OS X...they're easy....Linux would be better, but hey...baby steps
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| 13:09 | <pscheie> I'll take your word on it, but I'm skeptical the expense and extra weight in the kids' backpacks are worth it.
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| 13:09 | <dtrask> Actually yes....Fiesty fawn is going to be an incredible release. Lots of awesome features especially in edubuntu. See my blog at dtrask.wordpress.com
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| 13:09 | they're the small 12' ones
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| 13:09 | light
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| 13:10 | <pscheie> But if there are enough computers in the classroom, they wouldn't have to lug them around.
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| 13:10 | <dtrask> yeah but they can't take those home
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| 13:10 | <pscheie> Of course, there are wired vs. wireless issues
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| 13:11 | <dtrask> that too....and furniture ain't free
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| 13:11 | <pscheie> Our computer programming teacher & some students just started a computer service shop at the HS
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| 13:12 | One of the goals, eventually, is to provide free refurbed PCs to students who qualify for
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| 13:12 | <dtrask> cool
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| 13:12 | <pscheie> free/reduced lunches, which was my idea
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| 13:12 | <dtrask> pscheie: but do they build furniture? ;-)
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| 13:12 | great idea
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| 13:12 | <pscheie> I'll have to ask the shop teacher-- not a bad idea?
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| 13:12 | set ?=!
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| 13:13 | <dtrask> pscheie: our biggest hurdle to major expansion was furniture and electrical outlets
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| 13:13 | <pscheie> Plus, the city is in the process of providing city-wide wireless i'net access
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> pscheie: are you familiar with http://freegeek.org ? they basically do computer re-use and recycling with free software.
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| 13:14 | <pscheie> so I'm hoping to eventually get a get a grant so those same folks can qualify for free i'net access
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| 13:14 | with their free machines.
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| 13:14 | Yes, I know about freegeek. I don't think we'll have much trouble getting used machines
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| 13:14 | <dtrask> pscheie: mountain view had city wireless....it was cool to be able to go anywhere and do whatever
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| 13:15 | <pscheie> I'm hoping to have the refurbed machines have Linux so we can avoid licensing issues, viruses, etc.
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| 13:15 | <dtrask> around here it might be a good idea, but hard to implement...though we're working on it....
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| 13:16 | <dtrask> city wide wireless
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| 13:16 | <pscheie> Ultimately, hope to include freenx on them so kids can connect to school and get same enviro as at school
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| 13:16 | <dtrask> we have lots of trees we can mount access points to ;-)
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| 13:16 | <pscheie> The wireless is still just in pilot phase, so it's not a certainty.
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| 13:17 | We have many trees, too, such that in the pilot they found they'll need more APs than origianlly thought
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| 13:18 | Who is your connection at Gallaudet?
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| 13:21 | <dtrask> we have several, but not sure who the official connection will be
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| 13:21 | they're sorting that out
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| 13:21 | <pscheie> I just wondered how you managed to skep over, say, NY? ;-)
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| 13:22 | Seems like there should be a NELS in every state.
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| 13:23 | * vagrantc wonders what NELS is | |
| 13:23 | <pscheie> North East Linux Symposium
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| 13:23 | www.nelinux.net
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| 13:30 | <pscheie> dtrask: just read your blog on UDS; do the dynamic group menus work with KDE and Gnome?
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| 13:31 | in Edubuntu, I mean
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| 13:40 | <dtrask> pscheie: last year Jeff Elkner brought his students from Yorktown HS in VA (near DC) to the UNH NELS for a schooltool dev sprint....he liked it and thus he thinks one in DC might be goo
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| 13:40 | good
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| 13:41 | pscheie: not sure about KDE....we were talking to Gnome upstream at UDS...so at the moment Gnome is all I can comment on
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| 13:45 | <g333k_work> Hi, I have installed k12ltsp, does it come with extra tools? maybe admin tools?
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| 13:46 | <pscheie> g333k_work: what sort of tools are you looking for?
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| 13:46 | g333k_work: much of K12LTSP can be managed via webmin
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| 13:47 | <g333k_work> pscheie, tools to manage my clients, to know if they are dead or alive... to wath their desktop, to send popups messages, etc
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| 13:49 | <pscheie> g333k_work: for monitoring the clients, you want fl_teachertool.
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| 13:49 | It's installed by default, but the monitoring & controlling parts require a few tweaks.
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| 13:50 | Google for fl_teachertool and you'll find the page of Robert Arkiletian (robark), who wrote it.
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| 13:50 | The page explains the necessary tweaks.
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| 13:51 | <g333k_work> pscheie, is there a place where I can see the list of tool avaiable?
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| 13:52 | <pscheie> Not really. K12LTSP is Fedora Core with the LTSP bits added plus some educational apps.
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| 13:52 | So, if you get to know your way around FC, that will cover much of it, but not the thin client stuff so much
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| 13:53 | <g333k_work> pscheie, nop... I'm using the CentOS bae
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| 13:53 | based*
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| 13:53 | pscheie, k12ltsp 4.2.3
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| 13:54 | <pscheie> ah, I don't think fl_teachertool in that version had the client monitoring stuff fully working
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| 13:54 | Why are you using 4.2.3 rather than 5.0?
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| 13:58 | <g333k_work> pscheie, Cause Fedora is like a testing distro and CentOS is more stable I think....
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| 13:59 | <pscheie> don't get too stuck on the labels such as 'testing', 'stable', etc.
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| 14:00 | <Bogo> hi all
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| 14:00 | <pscheie> CentOS mirrors RHEL. RHEL has an 18 month release cycle, which RH moved to because
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| 14:01 | releases every six months was too frequent for their business customers
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| 14:01 | But many in the community like frequent releases because there is so much development and change going on.
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| 14:02 | Stuff that goes into FC may not have been around as long, but it's still quite stable.
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| 14:02 | The other problem with the FC series is how long will older versions continue to get
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| 14:02 | patches back ported. With RHEL, and thereby CentOS, it will be for five years
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| 14:03 | (we're two years into that five years)
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| 14:03 | <pscheie> So, 'stable' mostly means you don't get the new features; in this case it means you don't
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| 14:03 | (easily) get client monitoring.
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| 14:04 | I say easily because monitoring can be made to work on the 4.x series but it's not pleasant
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| 14:05 | But as far as whether the system will run and run and run without crashing, FC 5 is just fine,
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| 14:05 | no better or worse than CentOS
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| 14:09 | <g333k_work> pscheie, so I got to install 5 instead 4.2.3
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| 14:17 | <pscheie> g333k_work: to easily get the client monitoring and control, yes.
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| 14:17 | <g333k_work> pscheie, Ok I will do it
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| 14:17 | <pscheie> You also get Local Device Access with 5.0, meaning USB sticks, cdroms and floppies 'just work' on the client
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| 14:24 | <g333k_work> pscheie, what about local applications?
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| 14:25 | <pscheie> local applications are possible under both versions, although it takes some work to set it up
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| 14:26 | <cliebow_> ogra:is ppc to the pont i can build a chroot on an ibook?
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| 14:26 | <pscheie> I haven't done it because it changes the arrangement in that w/o local apps, I can use pretty much anything as a client
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| 14:26 | with local apps, you have to start worrying about the hardware in the client.
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| 14:27 | <pscheie> OTOH, with local apps, you can use a less powerful server, and if your clients are all speedy, why not use their power?
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| 14:28 | Ultimately, the goal is to have stuff run 'where it should'.
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| 14:29 | <g333k_work> pscheie, is it worth to use firefox as a local app in my case? I will have like 70 clients using just firefox, no more..... with some of java and flash plugins
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| 14:30 | worthly*
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| 14:33 | <pscheie> might be; depends on your server hardware. Usual rule-of-thumb is 100mhz/100mb RAM per client, and without using local client apps, you'd need a pretty big server
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> g333k_work: probably, if it's using flash.
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| 14:33 | <pscheie> If that's the only app, you might consider stripping down the desktop and making it just a kiosk.
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> pscheie: k12ltsp or FC has an ltsp 5.0 implementation?
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| 14:34 | <g333k_work> pscheie, thats what I did
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| 14:34 | <pscheie> Even then, the flash may suck up too much bandwidth to be handled by the server alone
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| 14:35 | vagrantc: no, K12LTSP is ltsp 4.2 + Fedora Core 5
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| 14:35 | K12ltsp 5.0 is ltsp 4.2 + FC5 that is
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| 14:35 | <g333k_work> pscheie, lets say that flash will be used ocasionally
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| 14:36 | <pscheie> How big is your server? i.e., what processor, how much ram, etc.
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| 14:36 | <ogra> cliebow_, you need a ppc machine to build the chroot on ... then just tar it up, copy it over to the i386 server and run ltsp-update-kernels/sshkeys ..
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| 14:36 | * vagrantc woudl like to see fedora's progress on ltsp 5. | |
| 14:37 | <pscheie> vagrantc: next spring things should get really interesting with edubuntu and fc 7
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| 14:38 | <g333k_work> pscheie, 4Gb RAM, Xeon 3.0Ghz, I have two of them, one for backup
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| 14:38 | <ogra_> cliebow_, you need a ppc machine to build the chroot on ... then just tar it up, copy it over to the i386 server and run ltsp-update-kernels/sshkeys ..
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> pscheie: yeah. i'm just hoping that the ubuntu/debian code collaboration on ltsp 5 is being used by the fedora folks.
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| 14:39 | <pscheie> cliebow: were you at the Ubuntu Dev Conf in SF last week?
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| 14:40 | g333k_work: It would be better if you could split your users over the two machines
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| 14:40 | Are they all in one place or could you put them on different subnets?
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| 14:41 | <g333k_work> pscheie, but if one of the servers go down... half of my clients will be dead
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| 14:41 | <pscheie> I think there's a doc on the K12LTSP wiki about using a pair of servers to balance the load
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| 14:42 | <g333k_work> pscheie, really?
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| 14:42 | <pscheie> such that if one dies, the other server could take on the whole load.
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| 14:42 | the performance wouldn't be great but users wouldn't be dead in the water.
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| 14:42 | <pscheie> BTW, even with local apps, if the server dies, your clients will likely die too.
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| 14:43 | see http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/DHCP%20Failover-Load%20Balancing
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| 14:44 | If you haven't implemented this yet, I'd suggest starting out supporting say, 30 clients
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| 14:44 | You don't want to oversell the scalability too quickly.
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| 14:45 | <g333k_work> pscheie, you mean start testing and increase the number of clients progressive?
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| 14:46 | <pscheie> Yes.
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| 14:46 | You can help squeeze more onto a server by using IceWM for the desktop rather than Gnome or KDE.
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| 14:47 | IceWM isn't as pretty as the others, but it uses a lot less resources.
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| 14:49 | looks like Win95
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| 14:53 | vagrantc: I think the FC folks are working with the LTSP devs to incorporate the same code as that in Ubuntu
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> pscheie: vagrantc IS an LTSP dev
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| 14:54 | * vagrantc feels like the FC folks are working in a cloak of secrecy | |
| 14:54 | <jammcq> he was here in detroit with the other guys AND some Fedora guys
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| 14:54 | <pscheie> Well, I was wondering about that...
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| 14:54 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: yeah, they aren't on IRC .. what is their problem =P
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| 14:54 | <pscheie> thought I'd seen his name on the list of folks who'd been there in Detroit
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> most of the work is being done by eharrison
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> yeah, at least the gentoo folks represent in irc.
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| 14:55 | <pscheie> Wasn't Warren there, too?
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| 14:55 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 14:55 | <pscheie> and?
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| 14:55 | was he just spectating?
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| 14:55 | <jammcq> but right after the detroit hackfest, Warren had to take off for Asia for a couple works
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| 14:56 | <pscheie> I've always had the impression that the FC folks were interested in getting the ltsp bits into FC
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| 14:56 | <ogra_> and eharrison still has nothing presened ...
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| 14:56 | <pscheie> but Ubuntu seems to be moving faster
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| 14:56 | <ogra_> jammcq, have *you* seen anythng from him yet ?
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| 14:56 | <jammcq> ogra_: no. he keeps saying he has it, but we've not seen it
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| 14:56 | <ogra_> since he missed the planned presentation somehow ..
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> i'm just worried it's going to be a brutal fork from the work we've done.
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| 14:57 | <ogra_> right
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| 14:57 | <dberkholz> my in-progress stuff for the plugins is at http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/Gentoo/ , but nothing very interesting to look at yet
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| 14:57 | <jammcq> that risk definately is out there
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| 14:57 | <ogra_> he denies that he forked it ... apart from the initramfs stuff
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> there will surely be significant parts that have to be different... but i hope the design holds up for non-debian systems.
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| 14:58 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> and i want the feedback to know where it's broken :)
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| 14:58 | <dberkholz> i'm not really sure what the point of common/020-init-image is
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| 14:58 | <ogra_> what i saw was that he took ltsp-manager (which is now called thin-client-configurator) and replaced debootstrap with anaconda there
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: it's to apply tweaks to initrd/initramfs generation tools before the kernel gets installed
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| 14:59 | <ogra_> but he didnt get the chance to show us the result since he fried his laptop before he was done
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| 14:59 | <dberkholz> i just had to add a zero-size copy in a Gentoo/ dir to "overwrite" it
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| 15:00 | <ogra_> and he didnt manage to get it running during the next week on the new lappie
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| 15:00 | <dberkholz> but maybe i should move a few things over to there from the kernel building part
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| 15:00 | * vagrantc wishes there was a published bzr branch | |
| 15:00 | * jammcq wishes there were more hours in a day | |
| 15:00 | <ogra_> heh
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| 15:00 | me too
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| 15:01 | <pscheie> vagrantc: what's bzr?
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| 15:01 | <ogra_> i'm sadly terribly busy at the comapny conference here ...
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| 15:01 | <dberkholz> i've thus far avoided learning bzr beyond enough to get a copy of the code
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: are you sure you want ARCH=$(uname -m) by default? you might want i386 clients when you're building on an i686
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| 15:01 | <ogra_> else i'd have a new upstream megred branch ready already
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| 15:01 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: i haven't even tried running the stuff yet, this is the middle of my "visible fixes"
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: sure. just giving some feedback :)
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| 15:02 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: but the only difference there for us would be changing CFLAGS to strip out processor-specific stuff, i suppose
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| 15:02 | <ogra_> jammcq, btw i'm having several talks planned with the canonical HW certification guys to get a good thin client certification into place
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| 15:02 | <jammcq> ogra_: cool
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| 15:02 | <dberkholz> i haven't worked in cross-arch stuff at all yet, i want to get the basic setup going first
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| 15:02 | <jammcq> ogra_: if you need any thin clients, you know where to go
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| 15:03 | <ogra_> jammcq, yep :)
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| 15:03 | * vagrantc needs to scrounge a monitor, mouse and keyboard | |
| 15:03 | <dberkholz> i also find that start-stop-daemon wrapper a bit hacky
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: oh, it is.
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| 15:03 | <ogra_> dberkholz, hehe, thats a historical thing from debian ...
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| 15:04 | so dont ell the debian guys :)
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| 15:04 | * ogra_ -> off for lunch ... bbl | |
| 15:04 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: i filed a bug a couple years ago to make it possible to not need that hack... no activity, really.
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| 15:04 | <dberkholz> so the purpose of it is that some debs restart the services on postinstall or so?
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| 15:04 | and you want to prevent that
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 15:05 | <cliebow_> ogra:Cool..Ill try it pretty quick..want a bunch of diff stuff to show off at a meeting here..8~)
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| 15:05 | <dberkholz> ok, just making sure i'm clear on that
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: but only when building the chroot.
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| 15:05 | <dberkholz> right
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| 15:05 | i'm just going to ignore that for gentoo, since our packages mostly don't restart
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| 15:05 | and not everything uses s-s-d
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| 15:06 | lunchtime, bbl
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| 15:06 | <cliebow_> pscheie:i did not get to ubuntu conf...but Was in S.F. for ltsp-by the sea
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: overall, ignoring that i don't really know much about gentoo, it looks good :)
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| 15:08 | if i had that much from FC folks, i'd be grumbling less.
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| 15:09 | <cliebow_> jammcq:do you know if GofFodder has looked at the Nohrtec thins?
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| 15:10 | bbiab
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| 15:10 | <jammcq> cliebow_: dunno
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| 15:11 | <cliebow_> i ordered one to look at...maybe i can send it along for y'all to look over
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| 15:12 | <jammcq> what is it?
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| 15:12 | <cliebow_> mini thin client
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| 15:12 | 90 bucxks eacj\h in lots of 1000
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| 15:12 | 120 for a test unit
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| 15:12 | <pscheie> jammcq: it's about the size of a DLT tape
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: no lsb_release ?
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| 15:13 | <pscheie> cliebow: did you order one?
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| 15:13 | <cliebow_> supposedly set up to screw to the back of an lcd
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| 15:13 | i did..and still waiting
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| 15:14 | seems like right up diskless workstations alley
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| 20:24 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: pioto packaged lsb_release, but it may have been after i hacked out support for it. i'll have to take another look at that.
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| 21:53 | <pioto> dberkholz: no, i didn't actually package it, since you said you were removing our need for it
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| 21:58 | <dberkholz> pioto: eh? it's in /usr/portage/sys-apps/lsb-release/
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| 21:59 | <pioto> oh, i did eix lsb_release
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| 22:00 | i should probably know what the packages i maintain are...
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