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| 12:21 | <ncd209> hey where are the settings stored that tell the client what to run on the screens
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| 13:00 | <muppis> In lts.conf, usually placed to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>/lts.conf
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| 13:05 | <ncd209> ah yeah :) tnx forgot how to do it for a second be some time since i need to tinker with it
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| 13:05 | been
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| 13:06 | <muppis> :D
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| 13:06 | <ncd209> I was curious as to what else you can run on the other available screens
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| 13:09 | <muppis> Never tested, but I think it could be possible run almost anything which runs in terminal.
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| 13:14 | <muppis> Almost lied. I've tested to run XBMC via that. To get X started was the tricky. Couldn't remember that anymore, because used after Raspberry Pi. :D
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| 14:09 | <brianr> good morning. i was looking at some old list archives and there was util called ltspinfo that you could use to remote reboot thin clients. does such an utility still exist?
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| 14:10 | it was like ltspinfo --host=thinclient --rebooot
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> !epoptes | echo brianr:
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| 15:07 | <ltsp`> brianr: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> ...you can reboot the clients through that, or do whatever else you want...
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| 15:07 | <brianr> ok, ill check that out, ty
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| 15:08 | <||cw> you can also just enable ssh and root pw or ssh key auth in the image...
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| 15:08 | but epoptes is nice
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| 15:10 | <brianr> yes, i have ssh enabled. i wrote a script ... but i was hoping for something a little easier for me to explain to some less technical people
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| 15:12 | <||cw> epoptes is the way to go then, all sorts of useful features
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| 17:45 | <azltspit> Hello, I am running Edbuntu 14.02 with LTSP and having an issue where Firefox is giving and error saying "Already Open", We read a few post and looks like one of the work around is to install another browser, so we installed Opera but it is also giving us the pop-up error, we can click Yes and it will open for all the thin clients, but is there any thing I can do to disable the pop-up or fix the issue?
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| 18:10 | <jammcq> azltspit: are all of the users using the same user_id ?
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| 18:41 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Howdy!
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| 18:43 | vagrantc: Where can I find the coding standards for ltsp? I am getting a little free time to work on the fat client auth issue, but I want to make sure I have my spaces and tabs and such set right.
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| 18:47 | <azltspit> no all 15 are using different usernames
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| 18:54 | You did give me the idea to try and delete a few of the user accounts and re-create to see if it is something in their profile.
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: ltsp-trunk/docs/common/CodingStyle
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| 19:12 | bennabiy: it's not much, but there it is
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| 19:12 | <bennabiy> great! Thank you :)
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| 19:16 | Any clue on when we are going to update the room topic?
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| 19:24 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I noticed that enslaver and cyberorg's merge requests are still pending for over a year...
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| 19:25 | <brianr> fat client auth issue?! i have been trying to figure out why i cannot unlock the screensaver on fat clients ...
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| 19:25 | i am using ldap for auth
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| 19:25 | <bennabiy> It is a matter of getting the ldap chroot to use ldap auth as well
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| 19:26 | <championofcyrodi> brianr: i had the same issue, i was told to try and run the screen lock remotely, it didnt work so well for me...
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| 19:26 | so i used sssd
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| 19:26 | which integrates with PAM
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| 19:26 | then removed the gnome-screensaver package and installed xscreensaver
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| 19:26 | <brianr> yes, i also saw a post about using sssd ...
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| 19:27 | <championofcyrodi> unfortunately the "Lock" option in the unity menu will still use the gnome Lock, so i just tell my users not to use that.
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| 19:27 | lol
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| 19:30 | <brianr> ya that is not optimal. we are using xfce on the TC's so i just disable fat clients
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| 19:30 | <championofcyrodi> yea, we had too much lag running opengl and other multimedia intensive applications w/ the thin client.
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| 19:31 | but bennabiy is correct, ultimately you'll spend a lot of time modifying the chroot.
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| 19:31 | however you can also modify the pam.d on the ltsp server to mkhomedirs and include .config and other distro specific user settings there.
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| 19:32 | <bennabiy> I am working on a temp fix to get the chroot to generate a /etc/shadow entry for the fat client to use during the session, and then remove upon cleanup
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| 19:32 | <vagrantc> we really need to figure out how to push the next generation LTSP stuff, but there hasn't been enough coordinated developer time and energy
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| 19:32 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I agree
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| 19:32 | <vagrantc> as this is one of the main issues some of the proof-of-concept stuff for LTSP6 would solve
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| 19:32 | <championofcyrodi> <- feels guilty
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| 19:33 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I am at a point where I need to do some more work on mint support as well, so I am going to be putting some hours towards that and the fat client auth issue
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| 19:34 | <championofcyrodi> bennabiy, I think it comes down to the authentication integration with PAM, and not so much the shadow file specifically. My LTSP server does not have users in the passwd file either
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| 19:35 | it just has the sss daemon running, and thick client logins are successful.
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| 19:35 | if I recall correctly, sss stores passwords in a local cache
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| 19:35 | <bennabiy> no, but check your fat client... does it put an entry for the current logged in user for /etc/passwd
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| 19:35 | <championofcyrodi> lemme check.
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| 19:35 | <bennabiy> this is something that ldm does
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| 19:35 | <championofcyrodi> nope
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| 19:36 | <bennabiy> makes sense.
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| 19:36 | cannot clone over an entry that does not exist
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| 19:38 | <championofcyrodi> what is interesting is that even though I've installed sssd on the chroot (for xscreensaver to work), the gnome lock does not seem to work at all.
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> championofcyrodi: are you using LDM, or some other DM like e.g. lightdm?
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| 19:39 | <championofcyrodi> I wonder if there was just an empty shadow file... if maybe the order of 'files sssd' in resolv is causing the lock.
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| 19:39 | as far as i know, it's 'lightdm'
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> The default in ltsp is ldm
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| 19:39 | <bennabiy> ah, that is why
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| 19:39 | <championofcyrodi> wait...
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> LTSP doesn't yet work with other DMs
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| 19:39 | <championofcyrodi> no thats on the desktops...
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| 19:40 | i'm using whatever came w/ 14.04 ~70 days ago when installing ltsp packages from the ubuntu repo w/ dhcp support
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> That's the main goal of ltsp 6, to drop ldm and use pam, i.e. any DM
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| 19:40 | <championofcyrodi> ah... then i'm using ldm
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> LDM doesn't know about pam, sssd or anything else though
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| 19:40 | <bennabiy> I am using ldm, and a fat client, and I have an entry in /etc/passwd for the user I just logged in as , using LDAP auth
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> That's ldm: https://dl.stgraber.org/images/ldm-natty.png
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| 19:41 | <championofcyrodi> @bennabiy: Perhaps it's the way my sssd is configured?
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| 19:41 | <bennabiy> could be.
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| 19:42 | alkisg: what is the packaging for ldm recipes?
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> bennabiy: do you mean this? https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ldm-trunk-daily
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| 19:43 | <bennabiy> thank you
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| 19:45 | <championofcyrodi> so i just verified that sssd works with NSS for passwd, shadow, groups and netgroups
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| 19:45 | https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5/html/Deployment_Guide/Configuring_Services.html#Configuration_Options-NSS_Configuration_Options
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| 19:47 | looks like my thick client has a shadow file... just not the users
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| 19:47 | (same as passwd)
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| 19:48 | when i said resolv ealier, i meant nsswitch
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| 19:48 | <bennabiy> championofcyrodi: do you show the user in the passwd file?
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| 19:48 | <championofcyrodi> no
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| 19:49 | just whatever users are installed on the chroot
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| 19:49 | and a shadow file to match
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| 19:49 | <bennabiy> Hmm. So your system is doing something different than the default
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| 19:56 | <championofcyrodi> yea. all users are authenticated with 'sss' in the NSS, which authenticates with sss daemon
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| 19:57 | so user dir permissions, groups, etc. are all respected, home folders are created on login... however there is nothing in passwd/shadow about the users
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| 19:58 | our normal desktop PCs are the same way, this allows users to use a ltsp client or desktop w/ the same credentials
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| 19:59 | (like your ldap auth)
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| 19:59 | <bennabiy> yes, but mine makes a local entry in the /etc/passwd for the fat client user and yours does not
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| 20:00 | so something is different about the setup
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| 20:00 | <championofcyrodi> and you're using sssd as well?
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| 20:00 | <bennabiy> nope
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| 20:00 | <championofcyrodi> so sssd is really just a service, the backend is a normal ldap server
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| 20:00 | <bennabiy> straight ldap / libnss-ldapd
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| 20:01 | with nslcd
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| 20:02 | which currently works for authentication, but does not allow me to unlock screen.
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| 20:02 | <championofcyrodi> Ah. The guy who chose sssd before I got here told me nslcd has had memory leaks in the past or something. I didnt really argue w/ him
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| 20:02 | <bennabiy> could be
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| 20:03 | <championofcyrodi> i noticed i have sssd option next to passwd and group, but not shadow inside nsswitch.conf
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| 20:03 | <brianr> i am using nslcd ... it seems to have some random timeout issues
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| 20:03 | but otherwise it works ok, except for the fat clients
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| 20:04 | <championofcyrodi> apparently i disabled gnome locking, now my screen just goes blank when i click "Lock" from the unity applet, but comes right back when i move my mouse.
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| 20:05 | <championofcyrodi> it was almost a month ago now, and I'm not sure i remember how to re-enable the lock to try adding sss to the shadow key in nsswitch.
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| 20:05 | I'm wondering if i just specify to use sss for the shadow file as well, if that will fix the screen lock issue i had
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| 20:05 | apparently sudo apt-get install sssd didnt add it in there for me
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| 20:49 | <bennabiy> alkisg: do you remember where ldm sets the /etc/passwd file?
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: it's in the ltsp-localapps hooks
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| 20:51 | <bennabiy> ah, thank you
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
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| 20:52 | <bennabiy> which is actually from the ltsp source, not from ldm?
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: though it's in the ltsp-trunk source package, as it's a featue that ltsp adds to ldm.
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| 20:56 | <bennabiy> great. Well, I am out of time for today, but I will be back at it tomorrow.
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