IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 30 October 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <vagrantc> mherweg: by obscure, arcane calls to "xprop"!
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| 00:03 | mherweg: you could also use the GUEST_LOGIN feature instead of autologin, which allows you to shut down via LDM
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| 00:04 | <mherweg> yes. I will try GUEST_LOGIN
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> at least, i think that's what it's called :)
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| 00:05 | <mherweg> LDM_GUESTLOGIN = True
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> ah yes, i think we standardized on the format at some point
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| 00:06 | <mherweg> i dont understand "arcane calls to "xprop"!"
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| 00:10 | another question: can i abort the gPXE boot to allow the boot from local HD. I know it was possible with old etherboot
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| 00:11 | <jammcq> vagrantc: ping
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| 00:13 | <vagrantc> jammcq: pong
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| 00:14 | mherweg: i think escape or ctrl-c will excape gPXE ... although i've mostly been using iPXE lately
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| 00:14 | <jammcq> vagrantc: have you settled on who's picking you up at the airport?
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> jammcq: no, been busy wrapping things up at work!
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| 00:15 | * vagrantc cringes | |
| 00:15 | <jammcq> we'll be driving right through there, so it's easy for us
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| 00:15 | I just need to know whether I need to stop or not
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i'm leaning that way, yes.
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| 00:16 | <jammcq> google maps says we'll be driving through there at about 11:50am
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> plan is scheduled to land 2 minutes later.
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| 00:18 | plane
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| 00:19 | <mherweg> "esc" did not work. did not try iPXE yet
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| 00:20 | <jammcq> vagrantc: so... unless I hear otherwise, we'll be waiting for you at the curb
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> ok, it's a deal.
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| 00:20 | <jammcq> vagrantc: also, i've sent you my phone number, in case you need to call me
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| 00:21 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 00:28 | jammcq: till then!
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| 00:28 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 01:13 | <bennabiy_away> jammcq, when does BTS start?
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| 01:16 | <jammcq> bennabiy: BTS starts on friday morning
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| 01:16 | gotta run, talk to you all later
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| 07:33 | <Hyperbyte> Morning alkisg!
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| 07:33 | * alkisg waves to Hyperbyte | |
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| 07:45 | <Hyperbyte> :-D
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 07:52 | <ltsp`> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 07:52 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 10:41 | <work_alkisg> !local-nbd
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| 10:41 | <ltsp`> Error: "local-nbd" is not a valid command.
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| 10:41 | <work_alkisg> !local
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| 10:41 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'local', but I do know about these similar topics: 'install-localapp', 'localdev', 'localapps-print', 'RDP-localdev', 'localapps', 'LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround', 'localxterm', 'local-disks', 'local-boot'
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| 10:41 | <work_alkisg> !local-boot
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| 10:41 | <ltsp`> local-boot: If you want LTSP fat clients on a low-speed network, you can put i386.img on e.g. C:\Boot\LTSP\i386.img and use this command line in pxelinux.cfg: APPEND ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/sda1 rootflags=ro loop=/Boot/LTSP/i386.img; IPAPPEND 3
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| 12:03 | <cliebow> sbalneav: Heyhey!
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| 12:20 | <pscheie> good morning cliebow
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| 12:23 | <cliebow> hi Pete! gonna see ya this weekend?
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| 12:23 | <pscheie> yessir!
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| 12:23 | sadly, sbalneav won't be there
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> Yeaah i know..i ll have to play the video..jammcq saya he ll skype in
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| 12:24 | <pscheie> has ogra_ said if he's coming or not yet?
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| 12:24 | <ogra_> i wont
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| 12:25 | <pscheie> :-(
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| 12:25 | <ogra_> (else i would be in the air right now)
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| 12:25 | <cliebow> ogra..too bad.animals not doing well?
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| 12:25 | <ogra_> cliebow, we managed to spoon feed her for the first time in a week just now
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| 12:26 | <cliebow> good grief..
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| 12:26 | <ogra_> which is a giant improvement
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| 12:26 | <cliebow> my pup went though a spell this summer..turns out she gorged herself on mussel shells on the beach..right full of grit
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| 12:27 | <ogra_> oh my
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| 12:27 | <cliebow> she passed it eventually but it was quite a struggle
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| 12:27 | <ogra_> yeah, i can imagine
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| 12:27 | well, after seeing her being intrested in food and seeing it stays in now, i'm confident we'll get her through
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| 12:28 | <cliebow> certainly hope so...!
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| 12:30 | ps
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| 12:31 | pscheie: you running openldap?
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| 12:31 | <pscheie> cliebow, no.
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| 12:31 | Well, we are here in my office, but it's not tied to ltsp.
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| 12:32 | And I don't manage it, someone else does.
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| 12:32 | cliebow, are you?
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| 12:32 | <cliebow> i ve got some silly perms issue i ve fixed before..but having a senior moment
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| 12:34 | <pscheie> heh, I know how that goes.
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| 12:34 | <cliebow> yeah i ve been running one since 2002 steady..the other is on a virt machine and is oh five3 years old
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| 12:34 | <pscheie> I started a new job in July--three months later I can only barely make sense of how things work here.
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| 12:35 | <cliebow> i just cant remember what i did the last time this cropped up on a machine not doing lldap but authing to it
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| 12:37 | <pscheie> brb
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| 12:45 | <cliebow> k
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> ogra_: ?
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| 13:05 | <ogra_> jammcq, at home :(
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> Nooooo
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| 13:05 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> how's kitty?
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| 13:05 | <ogra_> a tad better
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| 13:06 | we managed to spoon feed her a little and it stayed in
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| 13:06 | (after a week of vomiting, thats quite some progress)
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> well... we'll miss you in maine
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| 13:07 | any chance you can do some google hangouts with us?
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| 13:07 | <ogra_> i miss you guys too :'-/
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> we'll have a webcam and a projector
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| 13:07 | <ogra_> sure, if the bandwith suffices
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| 13:08 | * highvoltage is there in spirit eating chips and drinking beer | |
| 13:08 | <jammcq> highvoltage: hey
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| 13:08 | <ogra_> highvoltage++
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| 13:08 | <highvoltage> hey!
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| 13:10 | jammcq: are you at the seawall motel yet?
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> highvoltage: heh, no. i'm still at home. getting ready to head to the airport
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| 13:11 | <highvoltage> cool.
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| 13:12 | * cliebow cliebow nibbles on 86% chocolate..thinking of ghirardelli square | |
| 13:12 | <jammcq> heh
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| 13:12 | * jammcq wonders what the other 14% is | |
| 13:12 | <cliebow> sugar no doubt
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> ok kids, i'm outta here
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| 13:16 | <ogra_> safe flight 1
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| 13:16 | !
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| 13:18 | <pscheie> see you there
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| 16:08 | <bennabiy> Is anyone allowed to participate remotely in BTS?
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| 16:36 | <cliebow> bennabiy, of course..not sure how you want to do this..
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| 16:36 | * bennabiy shrugs. | |
| 16:36 | <bennabiy> I will not be here much on the weekend, but figured if I was, I would contribute
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| 16:37 | <cliebow> here is a fair amount of talk right on the channel..i could shove some lobster tails in the cd drive and opush send
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| 16:37 | <bennabiy> ouch, who would buy you a new cd drive?
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| 16:38 | hmm, I wonder if digital lobster would be "clean"
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| 16:38 | <ogra_> *if* the lobster arrives here ... i will pay for ten CD drives :)
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| 16:38 | <bennabiy> back after lunch :)
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| 16:38 | <cliebow> i ll ask dave thomas if she ships overseas..
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| 16:38 | you have boiling water there?
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| 16:39 | <ogra_> nah, we dont have that modern stuff in europe
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| 16:39 | high tech ...
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| 16:39 | * ogra_ shakes head | |
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> FrozenZia: good luck with your instal fests
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| 18:37 | !map
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| 18:37 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'map', but I do know about these similar topics: 'worldmap'
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> !worldmap
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| 18:37 | <ltsp`> worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
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| 19:15 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Do you know why I would get a package from 13.10 which does not have the changes we made?
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| 19:15 | I just did a test install of mint 16 and I pulled 5.4.3 but it did not even have the vendor patch
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| 19:15 | when was the freeze for ubuntu?
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| 19:23 | <mherweg> hi! I just tried LDM_GUESTLOGIN : LDM restarts when i press the guest login butten
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| 19:23 | is it only for fat clients ?
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: because your changes were introduced after ltsp 5.4.3 ...
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| 19:33 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: so when will they catch up with upstream?
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: nothing gets automagically updated i debian or ubuntu, far as i know... it takes a human to do the work
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| 19:33 | <bennabiy> ahh
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> so when someone uploads it
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| 19:34 | * vagrantc hopes to update some things this weekend | |
| 19:34 | <bennabiy> I guess it confused me that i installed it on a different machine, and it had the changes
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| 19:34 | Will it pull upstream updates?
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> mherweg: no, should work for thin clients too
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| 19:35 | mherweg: are you able to login specifying a user and password?
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| 19:35 | <bennabiy> mherweg: did you specify a guest username and password?
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> mherweg: it will also autologin using a username/password = to the client's autogenerated hostname
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| 19:36 | mherweg: typically ltspN, based on your ip
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| 19:36 | bennabiy: maybe you included a ppa or something?
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| 19:36 | <mherweg> are you able to login specifying a user and password? ... yes
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| 19:37 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: perhaps.
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| 19:37 | <mherweg> mherweg: did you specify a guest username and password? ... in lts.conf ? no. can i use any user ?
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| 19:37 | <bennabiy> that must have been it
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> mherweg: and did you configure it to use those usernames/passwords?
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| 19:38 | mherweg: it needs valid login credentials
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| 19:39 | * vagrantc generates the likely users on the server and cofigures ssh keys for guestlogin to work | |
| 19:39 | <mherweg> like this : LDM_USERNAME = John and LDM_PASSWORD = secret ?
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> mherweg: yup, defaulting to hostname
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| 19:39 | man lts.conf
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| 19:40 | for more info
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| 19:41 | <mherweg> i'm confused. so i have to create 10 users for 10 terminals. and their home will be cleaned at login ? (guest)
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> not cleaned, unless you configure it to do so
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| 19:41 | but yes, you'll need 1 user per terminal
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| 19:42 | it's not the same thing as ubuntu's guest login feature... it's much older than that
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| 19:43 | * vagrantc really hopes to get ltsp6 roadmap sorted this weekend | |
| 19:43 | <mherweg> so guestlogin is for users who dont know an username/password but they will get a "dirty" $HOME from the guest before ?
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> mherweg: yes, although there's a simple hook you can add to clean the homedir at login
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| 19:44 | <mherweg> please tell me
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| 19:44 | * alkisg wonders if guestlogin should be renamed to defaultuserlogin or something... | |
| 19:44 | * vagrantc doesn't know where offhand, and doesn't have the time to go looking | |
| 19:44 | <vagrantc> almostautologin
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> mherweg: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1310986533.1915.3.camel%40alkis&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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| 19:45 | <mherweg> i did clean from Xreset in the past but Xreset is not called anymore, or maybe i have to use the Xreset in the chroot
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> Although that rm -rf should really be find . -delete
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> it's basically the same as autologin, only it presents the greeter to give you opportunity to log in as a different user, or click the button.
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| 19:46 | once you click the button, it's essentially identical to autologin
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| 19:46 | <bennabiy> I have a script for enabling guest login on every host running
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> We should also have a choice there for "AUTOLOGIN_ONLY_ONCE"... so maybe we should somehow re-organize all those options
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| 19:47 | <bennabiy> auto generates ssh keys and such
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| 19:47 | I nabbed it from somewhere
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| 19:47 | <mherweg> thats better then autologin, because with autologin the user can not turn off the terminal
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> anyways, i'd best get going
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| 19:47 | good luck all!
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> mherweg: you can create a desktop shortcut for that
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| 19:47 | bb vagrantc
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| 19:47 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 19:48 | <mherweg> bye thanks
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| 19:48 | a desktop shortcut that does... ?
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> shutdown from within the session
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| 19:48 | Or reboot... we have a template somewhere in the ltsp package
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| 19:49 | * vagrantc though we had autologin_once ... | |
| 19:49 | <alkisg> /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/ltsp-shutdown.desktop
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| 19:50 | * alkisg only sees LDM_AUTOLOGIN and LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER | |
| 19:51 | <mherweg> ok, i'll have a look at that
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| 19:52 | any suggestion about ITALC or epoptes or controlaula ?
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| 19:52 | * alkisg would suggest epoptes, but he's biased, being one of the devs... :) | |
| 19:53 | <alkisg> But its ltsp integration is far better than the other ones
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| 19:53 | <mherweg> nice!
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| 19:57 | does it matter for epoptes if i have LDM_DIRECTX or not ?
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| 19:59 | alkisg: does it matter for epoptes if I use LDM_DIRECTX or not ?
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| 20:00 | <bennabiy> epoptes works, and x2go for remote
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| 20:01 | <mherweg> LDM_GUESTLOGIN works! will install epoptes now.
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| 20:30 | <pscheie> vagrantc, shouldn't you be getting on an airplane soon?
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> pscheie: moderately
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| 20:35 | <pscheie> You're flying to BOS and then riding up with jammcq, right?
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> portland, but yeah
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| 20:56 | <pscheie> Ok. See you tomorrow, then.
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