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Channel log from 14 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:40 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 00:40 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 00:41 | <cyberorg> alkisg, you must have that remembered by now :)
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| 00:41 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 00:41 | True, I just want to avoid typing :D
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| 02:07 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:16 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 02:44 | <elias_a> alkisg: Thank you! How are we doing today?
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> Very well, thanks :)
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| 09:48 | <Kyle__> Hum. Flood?
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| 10:51 | <Kyle__> Anyone awake in here?
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| 10:52 | * highvoltage | |
| 10:52 | <Kyle__> Annnd I asked that in the wrong channel :) sorry
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| 10:52 | <highvoltage> you're forgiven
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| 10:52 | (this time)
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| 10:52 | <Kyle__> heh
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| 10:56 | <whatch> we have a lab of DevonIT thin clients at our school that can boot via pxe. We would like to use a linux distro as a virtual machine on a vmware vsphere server. We already have a dhcp server. What distro would be recommended for this, that is simple to configure?
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> LTSP is well maintained in Debian, Ubuntu and OpenSuse, and Fedora is recently trying to update it too.
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| 11:15 | <Appiah> "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp.
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| 11:31 | <Ghidorah> Anyone know of a reason why XDG user-dirs.default doesn't set the Desktop path?
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> What user-dirs.default? You mean ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs? It's there for me...
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| 11:37 | <Ghidorah> I set the /etc/XDG/user-dirs.default file
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| 11:37 | to specify user folders to their network shared drive
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| 11:38 | all of the redirects work execpt the desktop specification
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> I don't know, but just out of curiosity, what did you set DESKTOP= to?
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| 11:42 | <Ghidorah> Desktop=H_Drive/Desktop
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| 11:42 | Others are set in a similar fashion
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> Ah, and you have a symlink for H_Drive to each user's dir?
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| 11:43 | <Ghidorah> if I manually set Desktop in a users user-dirs.dirs it works
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| 11:43 | I have mount_pam mounting their home folders
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| 11:43 | err pam_mount*
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> (because it says "# The values are relative pathnames from the home directory and will be translated on a per-path-element basis into the users locale", so I wouldn't expect the others to work, too...)
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| 11:44 | <Ghidorah> The H_Drive is mounted in each users home folder
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| 11:44 | So Student1 logs in
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| 11:45 | he gets his home folder mounted in /home/DOMAIN/student1/H_Drive
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| 12:01 | <abeehc-_> wish I could help, haven't tried redirecting desktops
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| 12:03 | but using pam mount i've been wondering if gnome can be made aware of the mount so that it would show on the left pane of nautilus windows
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: Directory backwards_compat_dirs[] = { { "DESKTOP", "Desktop" }, { "TEMPLATES", "Templates" }, { "PUBLICSHARE", "Public" }, { NULL} };
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| 12:04 | Those are not changed in LANG=en for compatibility reasons, but I don't know why
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| 12:04 | (so it's not only desktop)
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| 12:11 | Ghidorah: ah, got it, if those directories already exist, they're reused for the live cd to work
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| 12:11 | So these directories shouldn't exist when xdg-user-dirs-update is ran
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| 12:16 | <Ghidorah> livecd?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Search for backwards_compat_dirs in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/10/10/%23ubuntu-devel.txt
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| 12:19 | <Ghidorah> so if the folder exists it shouldn't redirect it?
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> Yup, for those 3 folders
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| 12:23 | <Ghidorah> hrmm
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| 12:25 | Any clue on how to work around this?
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> Delete those other folders on login?
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| 12:39 | <thunsucker> i'm running the rdesktop screen script, is it possible to have a user have to login, execute the rdesktop script once, then logoff?
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| 13:01 | <h00man> hello
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| 13:01 | i~m planning implementation in a cybercafe
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| 13:02 | anyone have the official ltsp forum url? sourceforge is read-only for some reason...
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> h00man: irc is used much more than forums for ltsp....
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| 13:09 | Ghidorah: why don't you mount the whole /home/DOMAIN/student with pam_mount?
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| 13:10 | E.g. now where are their .* files/dirs stored (e.g. emails, firefox stuff)... locally?
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| 13:10 | <Ghidorah> previous LTSP servers here made the students used to H_Drive
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| 13:11 | I attempted to change the mentality but it blew up on the first week of school
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| 13:20 | alksig: I'm seeing an kerberos error message flash during the login at GDM
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| 13:20 | do you know where I might see this in a log file?
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| 13:20 | <thunsucker> i'm running the rdesktop screen script, is it possible to have a user have to login, execute the rdesktop script once, then logoff?
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> thunsucker: logoff, and then what? Run the ldm script?
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| 13:27 | <thunsucker> alkisg: yes
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> No, you need to make a custom screen script
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| 13:38 | <thunsucker> thats what i was thinking
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| 13:39 | it might also be more efficient for me to run fat clients
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| 13:41 | <thunsucker> then have a full desktop for users
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| 13:41 | that way they can also run firefox locally
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> If your clients have > 512 RAM, yes, fat clients is a good option
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| 14:55 | <paal-> hi, having problem with my montiors on my ltsp-clients going to sleep mode after 15 mins. have tried to set it to "never" in the power management, but no luck ..
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| 14:55 | any tips ?
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| 15:04 | <Lns> paal-: you might look at this, I think these are the options I used before: http://copilotco.com/mail-archives/ltsp.2009/msg00197.html
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| 15:08 | <paal-> ty, trying them out now
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| 15:10 | <Lns> np
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| 15:30 | <h00man> lawyers knock demanding to know terminal and name of who sent an email on hotmail or made a comment on a blog - for example. can firewalls log usernames?
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| 15:30 | <h00man> #!*^%$!** lawyers
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| 15:35 | <Lns> do they have a warrant? =p
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> h00man: in order to monitor that you'd have to set up an authenticated web proxy ...
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| 15:47 | i think
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| 15:47 | there may be other options
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| 15:51 | <h00man> how about a firewall with some kind of captive portal for the WIFI people, and getting usernames from LDAP for already-logged-in users?
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| 15:52 | gonna get myself trouble, never even setup ldap...
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| 15:52 | <abeehc-_> wifidog
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| 15:52 | when lawyers as you for info it's time to review if you should even make an attempt to keep such information
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| 15:52 | <h00man> normally logging is via IP numbers, but in LTSP everyone has the same IP!
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| 15:52 | <abeehc-_> the more info you have the worse you are imo
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> squid with identd?
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| 15:53 | (like vagrant said...)
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| 15:53 | <h00man> i`m in brazil, the law here requires us to locate the user, just like any ISP
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| 15:54 | its really excessive - but its law
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| 15:56 | <Sorinan> I can't print on a client, the CUPS on server says that's the printers connected and, with no errors, conclude the page sending. But, on printer, nothing happens. Anyone may have a clue on why?
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| 15:57 | I recorded the sending with Wireshark, all good, but on LTSP client I couldn't locate any log. It exists?
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| 16:04 | <Sorinan> anyone??
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> I don't know, but just helping out in better explaining your problem: is the printer on the server or on the client?
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| 16:09 | <Sorinan> on client, CUPS is on server
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| 16:09 | on server (connected directly by USB) it works flawlessly
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Erm, so isn't that supposed to work with jetpipe? How is cups seeing the printer? Do you have cups installed in your chroot?
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| 16:11 | <Sorinan> no, in chroot there's no CUPS, only the jetpipe running
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| 16:12 | and CUPS don't exatcly "see" the printer, after I add it, only when I try to print something that they try to comunicate
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| 16:15 | <abeehc-_> what's the configured device uri in cupsd?
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| 16:20 | <Sorinan> socket://192.168.0.11:9100
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| 16:21 | the communication seems to occur normal, both sides sends a lot of packets
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| 16:25 | <abeehc-_> using the same ppd file as when you had it plugged into the server i assume?
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| 16:27 | <Sorinan> sure
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| 16:28 | it's the default one for my printer, provided with debian lenny (foo2xqx)
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| 16:28 | <abeehc-_> do you have the client unlocked so you can shell in and confirm jetdirect is not crashing or whatever
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| 16:29 | <Sorinan> yes, i'm on it right now, but it don't print anything, neither crash
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| 16:29 | <abeehc-_> i had limited success with cups -> jetdirect but i have a number that go win2k3 -> jetdirect and they work decently
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| 16:29 | <Sorinan> there's another solution?
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| 16:31 | <abeehc-_> i seem to recall that script needs python-serial to work, have you installed that in the clientroot?
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| 16:35 | <Sorinan> i will check
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| 16:35 | no! let me install ir
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| 16:35 | *it
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| 16:39 | <abeehc-_> ok.. i seem to remember it made it obvious when it was missing but I'm not sure
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| 16:39 | what distro are you
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| 16:39 | i gotta run back in a few
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| 16:40 | <Sorinan> well, i installed it in the chroot, but still the same
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| 16:40 | <abeehc-_> did oyu do ltsp-update-image and reboot the client etc?
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| 16:41 | also what's your lts.conf say for this client
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| 16:41 | <Sorinan> i never did ltsp-update-image, i don't use images, and in lts only the default config (it's selected usb, etc..)
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| 16:42 | PRINTER_0_NAME="P1005-GER" PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE=U
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| 16:43 | of course, with line breaks
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| 17:29 | <Kyle__> Is there a way, with fat clients, that they can boot off of a local copy of that image, and only grab it over the network when it changes?
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| 17:31 | I'm having too many problems where my clients flit out of the network for a second, thus locking the whole box, requiring a reboot.
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> Nope, you'd need to patch ltsp_nbd to mount the image from the local disk instead of nbd, and automate the transfering process with some script
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| 17:33 | It'd be cool though :)
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| 17:33 | But nbd-client -persist doesn't prevent that locking?
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| 17:36 | Hmmm not a bad idea to copy the image locally on boot, if the md5sum is different (but cache the md5sum so that it's not done all the time)
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| 17:36 | <markit> alkisg: hi :) not yet gone to the school with the server to test login. A question: how do you manage students account? Like stu001...stu999 or you create a "billy.brown" etc. ?
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| 17:37 | <markit> alkisg: or/and is there any guidelines about how organize things?
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> markit: I've tried both, but here we have 2-3 students sitting on the same pc, so finally we settled for user01a1
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| 17:37 | (01 = pc number, a1 = class group)
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| 17:38 | I've just finished a tool to create a bunch of those users: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=113954
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| 17:38 | (again, greek, maybe dgroos can translate that too :))
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| 17:38 | <markit> I've created a script in ruby too, also to "slay" users and add extended name or so on
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| 17:38 | it's in italian though ;P
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> We need to get those i18n + upstream :)
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| 17:39 | <markit> and simple interface from terminal
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| 17:39 | well, I don't think that a non graphical program will be accepted anyway
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> See the link above, it's graphical
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| 17:39 | <markit> and let me test some months "on the battle field"
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| 17:40 | your it is, mine not
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> OK
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| 17:40 | Do you have 1 pc per student?
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| 17:40 | <markit> oh very configurable your is
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| 17:41 | unfortunatly not... was expected to have 16 students and we have 16 pc
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> Yeah you can select the name, real name and password template, the number of classes and number of pcs
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| 17:41 | <markit> but instead we have 26 students :(
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> Maybe user01a1 will suit you too then
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| 17:41 | <markit> apart from the lack of pc, the classroom is too small to put more
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| 17:41 | sure
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> ...and I tell the students to change real name + password on first login
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| 17:42 | <dgroos> alkisg: my greek is impeccable!
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| 17:42 | *impeachable
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| 17:42 | <markit> I'm "sad" because I don't think is good having more than one children per pc ... il like share the pencil
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| 17:42 | hi dgroos!!!
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> dgroos: markit was interested in your translated sch-scripts version a while ago...
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| 17:42 | <markit> yeah!
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| 17:42 | I've tried italc from kubuntu, and I've been able to crash it in 5 clicks
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> Are you still using it or did you have problems with it?
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| 17:42 | <markit> (I'm pretty good in crashing programs, though)
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| 17:43 | <Kyle__> alkisg: I've never heard of nbd-client -persist... how do you set it?
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| 17:43 | sorry was AFK trying to get a windows 7 image to not be 100 stupid.
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> (markit is using the same setup as me, so it should be more suitable to him)
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| 17:43 | <Kyle__> (futile, it _is_ windows after all)
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Kyle__: are you using the default installation, or did you remove nbd_proxy?
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| 17:43 | <dgroos> hi markit :)
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| 17:43 | <Kyle__> Umm, I think I'm fairly default, but I've never seen nbd_proxy...
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| 17:44 | <markit> [00:45] <alkisg> Are you still using it or did you have problems with it? to me (italc) or to dgroos ?
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> to dgroos, sorry for not specifying
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> Kyle__: weird then, it shouldn't crash, nbd-proxy should keep the connection alive..
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| 17:44 | <markit> dgroos: unfortunatly I can't understand greeki, but alkisg told me you have translated to english
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| 17:44 | <dgroos> alkisg: the reason why I'm here today... (I'm mega swamped with start of year stuff) is to ask a question.
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| 17:44 | <markit> that I could understand and translate much easier
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| 17:44 | <dgroos> markit: for sure! Let me send you the glade file...
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> dgroos: I'm about to head to bed in 5', so if the question is for me, shoot :)
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| 17:46 | Btw, we'll have a new release tomorrow, some glade changes, but I think that'll be all for 10.04
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| 17:46 | (and the new "create_users" tool)
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| 17:47 | <dgroos> alkisg: I seem to find that when I'm using sabayon to manage user permissions, sch-scripts only partly works with them...
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> What symptoms?
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| 17:47 | <dgroos> can't log them out/control screen.
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> Hmm I haven't tried with sabayon, I'll test tomorrow and see how it goes
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| 17:47 | <dgroos> Cool! I'll update this weekend!
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> I bet it's just some conflict
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| 17:48 | <dgroos> alkisg: thanks, let me know if some log file would be useful...
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> If I can't reproduce it, I will, thanks
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| 17:49 | <dgroos> alkisg: what was the name of the irc for this sch-scripts work?
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> #linux.sch.gr
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| 17:49 | <dgroos> ah--the same one that is called forth with sch-scripts.
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 17:50 | <dgroos> markit: how shall I send you the files? I could upload them to my plone site and you could download there?
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| 17:50 | <markit> dgroos: sure if are big
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| 17:50 | otehrwise I've given my email in a private chat window
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| 17:50 | <dgroos> No, not big--what's a better way?
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| 17:50 | sure...
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| 17:51 | <markit> dgroos: ehm, I'm already in private chat...
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> !pastebin
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| 17:51 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebin" :: try !pastebot
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 17:51 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> :)
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| 17:51 | <markit> alkisg: so I will have to download the sources, change the dgroos file and recompile I guess
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> markit: yes, but I think you should wait until the weekend for the new release + the sabayon fix
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| 17:52 | (to not do the same work twice)
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| 17:53 | <markit> will I find you in irc?
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> apt-get build-dep sch-scripts, translate, and debuild -b -tc will get you a localized .deb
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| 17:53 | <markit> I would love to find you also at friday morning, while I'm at school :)
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| 17:53 | * markit takes note | |
| 17:53 | <Kyle__> alkisg: How can I check that I've got nbd-proxy running?
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> Kyle__: ps -ef on a client
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| 17:54 | !localxterm
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| 17:54 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 17:54 | <Kyle__> Doh.
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| 17:54 | Hum. yea I see it running.
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| 17:54 | But I know it still happens.
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Maybe try disabling it then and try nbd-client -persist
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| 17:54 | <lordzhao> can someone help me with a problem of network adapter does not recognize the thin-clients?
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Time for bed, ciao all!
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| 17:54 | <markit> nite alkisg thanks
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| 17:55 | <lordzhao> the message states that I have to specify option-129, but is not working
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| 17:55 | <Kyle__> Night alk
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| 17:55 | * Kyle__ sighs. | |
| 17:56 | <Kyle__> ok. Time for me to attend class.
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| 17:56 | Working full time and doing grad school simultaniously. Not the best combo.
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| 20:55 | <thunsucker> hey guys
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| 20:55 | do any of you have experience with a rdesktop screen script?
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| 20:57 | how about just running a screen script after user login?
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| 21:01 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: how are you this evening
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> just wrapping up work...
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| 21:02 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: cool, do you mind pointing me in a direction. I've done a lot of research I just can't seem to find anything
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> ask away, if i can't help, maybe someone else can
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| 21:03 | <thunsucker> ok cool
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| 21:03 | currently i'm using the rdesktop screen script, this puts about a 25% cpu load on our TS servers intermittently because it loops
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| 21:04 | i would prefer instead of the rdesktop looping, to have a user login by clicking on a generic "lab" name and then run rdesktop once, then once it's done running to log them off
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| 21:08 | something that might be easier is just having them load a very generic desktop
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| 21:08 | <thunsucker> and just click on the icon when they're ready to run with it
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> thunsucker: ah, you might be interested in gadi's menu script ... or something like it
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| 21:08 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: link?
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> should be in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/
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| 21:08 | <thunsucker> searching for anything with "gadi" is impossible lol
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| 21:09 | he's everywhere
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| 21:09 | vagrantc: thank you i will look at it
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 21:09 | he might read the logs and show up, now that you've mentioned him
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| 21:09 | <thunsucker> lol
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/client/screen.d/menu
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| 21:12 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: that stuff is badass
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> that's gadi for you
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| 21:13 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: yes it is
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| 21:13 | now lets see if i can modify it to where once the rdesktop screen script is chosen, and it runs once, that it exits
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> i think that's how it's supposed to work
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| 21:15 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: kickass ty sir
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| 21:35 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: it couldn't be any more perfect
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| 21:35 | vagrantc: thats exactly what I needed, thank you again
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 21:37 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: now just have to implement the numrandom feature i was using and i'll be all set!
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| 21:38 | <vagrantc> i use num-utils
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| 21:38 | ah, that's where numrandom comes from
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| 21:38 | :)
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| 21:39 | <thunsucker> "rdesktop -a 16 -r sound:local:alsa -r disk:drives=/media/root -d crutcho -u '' 172.16.42.$(numrandom /1,2,3/)"
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| 21:41 | if i make a lts.conf change, the client has restart before it will take effect correct?
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> generally, yes.
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| 21:42 | if you're using NFS, sometimes the new settings will take effect ...
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| 21:42 | though it depends :)
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| 21:42 | safe bet to reboot
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| 21:42 | <thunsucker> i'll request a reboot just to be safe
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| 21:42 | most of the clients are off
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| 21:43 | but still roughly 100 or so on
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| 21:43 | after hours
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