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| 09:28 | <ltspuser_31> Is it possible to build a LTSP Client that only depend on DHCP and TFTP? I mean a image that I can boot with use of ipxe and has no dependency's to a ltsp-server. A simple client that only has only a rdesktop client and nothing more.
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| 09:32 | <elias_a> bshogeman: Could you elaborate a little? What would the client get through TFTP?
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| 09:54 | <vlt> ltsp: Maybe you want to put rdesktop and all dependencies right into the initrd image.
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| 09:57 | <bshogeman> TFTP or HTTP what is supported. Ipxe can boot both as long as it is a img file or has a kernel and initrd
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| 09:59 | booting those files isn't a problem but access to NBD or NFS is. So my question is canthe ltsp client be build without this? So it runs without a ltsp server and can boot from a M$ dhcp and tftp server
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| 10:00 | and yes I want to put all in the initrd.
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> There are nbd and nfs server for ms windows available... and you can even put the root file system in a windows samba share
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| 11:09 | <bshogeman> But what is the use of a NFS / NBD server if it can boot standalone from LAN? All clients have enough ram (2Gb). A NFS or NBD server seems to me is only limiting the concurrent clients I can boot.
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| 11:10 | If it can fit in one image that whould be my first choice.
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| 11:11 | <ogra_> how many thousand do you plan to serve from one server that this concerns you ?
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| 11:13 | putting everything into the initrd will make your booting really slow
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| 11:14 | nbd/nfs dont transfer the whole image, they mount it over the network ... an initrd has to be fully transferred to the client first
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| 11:17 | (a typical ltsp image is around 200M (+/- 50M or so) , your initrd would have to shovel the whole thing over the net first before being able to make any use of it ... while nbd/nfs will only transfer bits on read()/open() )
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| 11:21 | <bshogeman> 1000 or 2000 at the most I think. All clients of staff on the 8 buildings of the school.
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| 11:22 | <ogra_> off one server ?
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| 11:22 | if that is also the thin client application server you will need gigantic amounts of ram
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| 11:23 | <bshogeman> they now boot a 300Mb WinPE version. But that doesn't support widescreen.
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| 11:23 | <elias_a> Sounds like a really heavy environment :)
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| 11:24 | <ogra_> ah, so they will be fat clients (running the full desktop locally) instead of thin (logging in to a central sever running the desktop)
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| 11:24 | that doesnt have such high ram reqs. then
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| 11:24 | <bshogeman> no one is turning them off ;) not all schools have the same start time so load is balanced by its own
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| 11:25 | 300Mb takes a minute to boot so it is already faster than a pc with all policy's
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| 11:25 | <ogra_> heh
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| 11:25 | <bshogeman> and if you aren't lucky some minutes longer but still reasenble fast
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| 11:26 | <ogra_> my ubuntu laptop takes 7sec (after BIOS)
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| 11:26 | i would be pissed if it took even 30sec :)
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| 11:31 | <bshogeman> can anyone repost the text typed after 7 seconds to boot
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| 11:31 | my connection timed out somehow
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| 11:31 | <ogra_> <ogra_> my ubuntu laptop takes 7sec (after BIOS)
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| 11:31 | <ogra_> i would be pissed if it took even 30sec :)
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| 11:31 | nothing else
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| 11:31 | <bshogeman> ok tnx :)
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| 11:32 | <ogra_> in any case, if yoou want your rootfs to live inside the initrd, thats not how ltsp works so you would have to code a lot yourself to make that happen
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| 11:33 | <bshogeman> but howmany clients you think could use one NFS server? What must I think of?
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| 11:33 | <ogra_> dunno, but i would guess leass than an nbd one
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| 11:33 | *less
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| 11:33 | <bshogeman> or NBD I don't know the difference
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| 11:34 | okee so I can better use nbd
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| 11:34 | <ogra_> one offers a filesystem by default (nfs) the other a compressed image (nbd)
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| 11:34 | nbd is more like a harddisk on the LAN while lfs is a filesystem on the LAN
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| 11:35 | s/lfs/nfs/
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| 11:35 | <elias_a> bshogeman: Where is this school center?
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| 11:36 | <bshogeman> loaded one time without issues when power failures occurred?
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| 11:36 | What do you mean by school center?
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| 11:36 | We have 2 data centers where all runs from
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| 11:36 | <elias_a> bshogeman: Well, this place of yours.
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| 11:37 | bshogeman: And the users are school staff?
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| 11:37 | What kind of school?
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| 11:37 | <bshogeman> secondary school
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| 11:38 | age 12 - 17
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| 11:39 | <elias_a> bshogeman: And you are running administrative sw which is compatible with linux?
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| 11:39 | Or are these computers used for learning & teaching?
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| 11:40 | <bshogeman> Yes all are cisco switches. All is configurable. 10Gb backbone so that isn't a problem.
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| 11:41 | none of both. For teaching (pc's in front of the classroom) and learning (students) where are only fat clients used.
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| 11:42 | The only thing we use thinclients for is all other workstations
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| 11:43 | think if room where teachers can work without a class, and not all personal is teaching.
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| 11:44 | And yes still so many mini pc's that run as diskless thinclients.
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| 11:44 | <elias_a> bshogeman: Your approach is really interesting.
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| 11:45 | It is a long time I have met somebody who has so many various uses in mind.
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| 11:46 | <elias_a> bshogeman: What I meant with admininistrative sw is software. In Finland the problem is that administrative software is very often windows binaries.
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| 11:46 | <bshogeman> I only want to use ltsp for the mini pc's that run as thinclient (connect to a windows rdp enviroment). All fat clients are as they are. Not all student software is compatible with rdp
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| 11:47 | So it isn't that various. It is only one group of computers in the whole enviroment.
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| 11:48 | <ogra_> then just go with plain ltsp set up for rdp
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| 11:48 | that will be the easiest
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| 11:48 | <bshogeman> But I learned now I must use NBD and can't live without it if I want the clients to boot faster.
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| 11:48 | <ogra_> nbd or nfs are suppported out of the box
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| 11:48 | <elias_a> bshogeman: Good luck in any case!
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| 11:49 | <bshogeman> Tnx!
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://ddtp.debian.net/ddtss/index.cgi/el/translated/el/logs/1365446294/ltsp-server
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| 18:48 | Package descriptions for all ltsp components + epoptes are now translated in Greek :)
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| 18:50 | Although it would make much more sense to me if package translations were done upstream, not in distros...
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> well, package descriptions are only shipped in the debian/control file
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| 18:51 | though upstream could ship some boilerplate
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> Right, they could just include the short+long descriptions somewhere so that it's picked up in the .pot file
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| 18:52 | Then debian, fedora etc could extract whatever they need from the .po's
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> could use the substitution stuff we implemended for X-Debian-Depends in a similar way
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| 18:53 | i.e. ${Upstream:Description}
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| 18:54 | not sure how the translation infrastructure for that works at all, though.
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| 18:54 | <alkisg> I've sent a mail to debian-i18n, let's see if anyone answers... http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2013/04/msg00011.html
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| 18:55 | I could automate the .po => ddtp upload in any way, even with curl + the existing web site, or with emails...
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| 18:55 | But I'd like an "OK" first from them..
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| 18:57 | Ah, about debian/control, this only contains the english description, not the translations
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| 18:57 | The translations go in a translations.gz file in the repositories
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| 19:17 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 20:34 | <Enslaver> hi all
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