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Channel log from 9 February 2007 (all times are UTC)

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04:04	<jernst> ogra: hello, are you there ?
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07:07	* erdinc bye aLL..
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07:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> helo !!! my friends! :)))
07:42	ltsp works!
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07:42	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> at last!
07:42	hehe
07:42	can see login xdm manager
07:43	now have a little error.. said user can't check the .Xsession
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08:00	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> erm. i copy the Xsession from /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession and now i can logged at xdm and no have error.. but no see any more.. :\ just accept an stop.. nothing else..
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08:14	<cpark> Hi all, I've been having a problem with local devices recently (specifically USB drives). When a student plugs in the USB drive, the folder appears on the desktop, but the folder contains no files.
08:15	I've tried restarting ltspfs-insecure, but that doesn't appear to make a difference (maybe it's not working properly?)
08:23	<cliebow_> you need to go through the twelve step troubleshooter and pastebin the results to like paste.ubuntu-nl.org
08:27	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> cliebow_: my ltsp server is a base installed debian and just installed ltsp and xdm
08:27	so have almost nothing.. when i logged just logged and ok
08:27	so i set ver
08:27	LOCAL_APPS = icewealse
08:27	and i installed
08:27	but not exec the browser when i logged
08:27	what could happend
08:30	<cliebow_> no no LOCAL_APPS either Y or N
08:31	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah
08:31	have change to Y
08:31	ok
08:31	let c
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08:33	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmm
08:33	but to exec only that i can make exec icewealse inside bash_profile right! :)
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08:36	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhm not works
08:36	have Y
08:36	but browser down :\|
08:36	not exec
08:41	<cliebow_> i dont know icewalse
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10:38	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhff. can't exec icewealse at client :S ... can logging and stop there...
10:38	just pass the login Xsession
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11:01	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> how can i change to gdm if i have xdm and gdm ?
11:01	ltspadmin not confiure that :\|
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11:22	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> jammcq: hi
11:23	:/ i set gdm and only have this - Gray Screen with large X cursor
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11:47	<mathesis> hi
11:47	http://pastebin.ca/346057
11:48	<ogra> mathesis, where is that from ?
11:48	ltsp 4.2 ?
11:50	<vagrantc> ogra: good evening (i'm guessing...)
11:50	* ogra is happy he's not the only one making typos in error messages :)
11:50	<ogra> good guess
11:50	hey vagrantc
11:51	next week i'll do the next big code merge ...
11:51	<vagrantc> oh, good.
11:51	<ogra> just survived feature freeze
11:51	<vagrantc> ogra: there's more boolean fixes
11:51	<ogra> now a recovery weekend and then ltsp-manager hacking and ltsp merges
11:51	<vagrantc> ogra: not many ... i think i finally found them all.
11:51	<ogra> yep
11:52	istill have the link in my browser session
11:52	<vagrantc> heh.
11:52	<mathesis> yes ogra
11:52	<ogra> soemhow firefox' session recovery tunrs slowly into my todo list :)
11:52	<mathesis> i have ltsp 4.2
11:52	<ogra> i have something like 40 tabs open by default :)
11:52	<vagrantc> ogra: oh, i also started maintaining the ltspfs udev rules using dh_installudev
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11:53	<ogra> vagrantc, well ... nice, but unneeded ...
11:53	dh_installused is for running systems afaik ...
11:53	<vagrantc> dh_installudev ?
11:53	<ogra> if you dont install in a running system its a bit pointless
11:53	yeah, t cares for the udev restart
11:53	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> at last activity at channel
11:53	O.o
11:54	<ogra> vagrantc, btw, i finished the kiosk plugin ...
11:54	<vagrantc> ogra: well, it makes the source code simpler, clearer, and cleaner that way ... so i'll definitely do it that way for debian's ltspfs
11:54	<ogra> looking neat now ... just a bit fiddling with themes for firefox etc and i'm done
11:54	<vagrantc> ogra: define "kiosk"
11:54	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i can see the gdm login manager ant when i logged i want to run the iceweasel from the server.. how can i do that?
11:55	<ogra> vagrantc, firefox standalone running from gdm locally
11:55	<vagrantc> ah, nice.
11:55	<mathesis> some equal problem to mine
11:55	<ogra> whats iceweasle ?
11:55	an app ?
11:55	<vagrantc> ogra: it's the trademark free version of firefox
11:55	<ogra> ah
11:55	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> new look of firefox
11:55	<ogra> heh
11:55	<mathesis> as I can solve the error
11:55	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: indeed need any browser
11:55	just that
11:56	<ogra> ah, its the firefox compiled withotu logos ... right
11:56	<vagrantc> ogra: mozilla demanded that debian stopped shipping firefox as firefox.
11:56	<ogra> yep
11:56	i just didnt know the name ...
11:56	<vagrantc> i was rooting for "firefaux"
11:56	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> so .. how can i do run locally?
11:56	<ogra> we had some issues with FF in ubuntu, but are allowed to use the trademark
11:56	<vagrantc> iceweasel is kind of stupid sounding.
11:56	<mathesis> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: yo have its problem http://translate.google.com/translate_
11:57	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ?
11:57	<ogra> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, i ca give you a plugin for ltsp5 :)
11:57	<mathesis> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: excuseme http://pastebin.ca/346057
11:57	<ogra> *can
11:57	i just finished it ...
11:57	mathesis, so is your nfs server running ?
11:57	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ahh i think my english is bad :)
11:57	<vagrantc> ogra: any progress on the diskless workstation branch? network auth and networked home dirs and such?
11:58	<ogra> vagrantc, nope
11:58	<mathesis> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: speak spanish?
11:58	<ogra> i deferred network auth
11:58	which indeed took everything with it
11:58	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
11:58	<vagrantc> mathesis: try: mount -t nfs -o ro,nolock 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
11:58	<ogra> thats why i focus on the kiosk plugin
11:58	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i'm caribbean men
11:58	<ogra> so we can have at least that
11:58	<vagrantc> mathesis: to see if you can mount nfs at all...
11:59	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> mathesis: u speak spanish?
11:59	<vagrantc> ogra: deferred as in, put off till next release?
11:59	<ogra> vagrantc, yep
11:59	<mathesis> mount: 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/ failed, reason given by server: Permiso denegado
11:59	sh3mh4mf0r4sh: si
11:59	<ogra> i wan a proper way for pam.d changes first
11:59	<vagrantc> mathesis: ah, si.
11:59	<ogra> i'm not keen on sed'ing stuff in there from a postinst
11:59	so there needs to be a plugin mechanism
12:00	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> mathesis: menos mal... me hace falta correr en la cliente el firefox .. solamente se queda ya ogueado despues del manager de gdm.. que hago pa que corre automatico..
12:00	?
12:00	<ogra> apart from that, pam_mount doesnt work properly with openssh
12:00	<mathesis> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: explicate
12:00	<ogra> that needs fixage as well
12:00	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> mathesis: yo corro la cliente
12:00	mathesis: veo el login de gdm
12:00	mathesis: y me logueo, y y apara ahi
12:00	<mathesis> pero no deja loguearte?
12:01	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> mathesis: quiero que se ejecute solo el firefox luego de eso
12:01	sii lo ahce
12:01	pero de ahi no pasa
12:01	<vagrantc> ogra: you'd need to either disable privledgeseparation in ssh (a big security risk) or write some setuid root pam_mount stuff...
12:01	ogra: and setuid also are a bit of a security risk ..
12:01	<ogra> vagrantc, i dont know why they call it "pluggable authentication mechanism" ... its not pluggable at all
12:01	<vagrantc> ogra: sure it is.
12:02	<mathesis> vagrantc: mira mount -t nfs -o ro,nolock 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
12:02	mount: 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/ failed, reason given by server: Permiso denegado
12:02	<ogra> vagrantc, so how do you add stuff without editing /etc/pam.d/common-something ?
12:02	<vagrantc> mathesis: configura /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash)
12:02	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> mathesis: alguna idea?
12:02	<mistik1> oh my
12:03	I dont think i'll ever use isc dhcpd again.
12:03	<ogra> mistik1, whats wrong ?
12:03	<mistik1> dnsmasq really rocks
12:03	<vagrantc> ogra: ok, ok. so the plugability is not as simple.
12:03	mistik1: yes, it does!
12:03	<ogra> vagrantc, exactly
12:03	i want an easy mechanism in place first ...
12:03	<vagrantc> ogra: but i wouldn't say it's not at all pluggable.
12:03	<ogra> no
12:03	but not as easy as i would expect it from its name
12:04	<vagrantc> ogra: and if you want something done right, you've got to patch it yourself :)
12:04	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: r u a ltsp devel?
12:04	<ogra> right
12:04	sh3mh4mf0r4sh, yep ... as vagrantc
12:04	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> nice
12:04	<mistik1> vagrantc: well its one of those apps that i've been meaning to dive into over the years and never got a chance
12:05	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> why when i logged at gdm manager can't continued or how can i exec firefox when login passed?
12:05	<vagrantc> mistik1: i actually use it for my dhcp server ... it's much easier to configure for basic use than dhcp3-server
12:05	mistik1: and the dns caching is brain-dead simple
12:05	<ogra> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, add an ~/.xsession file for the user that you automatically log in
12:05	<mistik1> vagrantc: indeed
12:05	<ogra> put your waesle in there
12:05	*weasle
12:06	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> not understend :S
12:06	<ogra> if your user is called "auto":
12:06	echo "iceweasle" > /home/auto/.xsession
12:07	gdm will execute whats in that file
12:07	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> wow
12:07	that works.. why not explain that in documents
12:07	<vagrantc> iceweasel
12:07	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> o.O
12:07	<ogra> you might find that yu need a window manager etc
12:07	but thats essentially what you need
12:07	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> the best of this you run something at server and clinet reflect :)
12:08	<vagrantc> ogra: does kiosk work without any window manager or just a basic one?
12:08	<ogra> i used metacity with devilspie
12:08	somehow like the good old sawfish ...
12:09	<sh3mh4mf0r4sh> thanxs :)
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12:09	<ogra> vagrantc, but i'm sure you can use twm or icewm as well ... i just used what i had in main anyway
12:09	<vagrantc> ogra: sure.
12:10	ogra: i know some web browsers are supposed to have a windowmanagerless mode ... wasn't sure if firefox was one of them or not.
12:10	<ogra> ff runs fine without wm
12:10	but it gets the geometry only right at the second login ....
12:11	you always have a stripe of desktop showing on the side
12:11	<vagrantc> sometimes you get weird behavior with popups and other "windows" that needs to be handled differently without a WM ... but maybe all that's working good these days.
12:11	ah well, off to work!
12:11	<ogra> popups work fine, but are borderless
12:12	* vagrantc waves
12:12	<ogra> bye
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12:53	<jvin248> Hi, I tried out the "echo firefox > /home/[user]/.xsession" command discussed earlier and now I'm stuck there with only firfox on that user account, any suggestions for cancelling the echo command? I've searched and not found anything yet. :S
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12:55	<ogra> heh
12:55	just remove the .xsession file
12:56	<jvin248> So just find /home/[user]/.xsession file and delete? Or reissue the command without the file name?
12:56	<ogra> rm /home/[user]/.xsession
12:56	thats it
13:01	<jvin248> (rebooting)... I'll have to experiment on another pc next time... But kind of a cool effect though.
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13:04	<jvin248> Thanks, fixed the problem. So this kiosk mode can run with just a K/X/Ubuntu server install (plus xdm?) and echo firefox/etc? Something new to play with.. on that experimental box though : )
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13:09	<ogra> jvin248, that kiosk mode will be a feature in ubuntu feistys ltsp
13:09	<mathesis> http://pastebin.ca/346064
13:11	<ogra> looks like your dhcpd.conf is wrong
13:11	<mathesis> ogra: mi dhcp.conf?
13:12	<ogra> obviously
13:12	<cliebow_> grep root-path /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf (in ubuntu)
13:21	<mathesis> ogra: see http://pastebin.ca/347846
13:22	<ogra> is another dhcp serer running in your network?
13:22	*server
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13:23	<mathesis> i have only dhcp server debian ltsp
13:29	http://pastebin.ca/347856 ogra
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13:31	<ogra> mathesis, sure there is no other dhcp server in that network ... i.e. a DSL router with a builtin one ?
13:34	<mathesis> i have dsl router 2wire
13:35	i have connect ther modem/2wire----server eth1 and eth0-----switch
13:35	and switch----thin client
13:44	ogra: see mi /etc/hosts
13:44	<ogra> your /etc/hosts wont help here
13:45	somehow your client doesnt get the root-path option handed out
13:47	<mathesis> http://pastebin.ca/347883
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14:22	<mathesis> se efra
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14:33	<efra> mathesis: how's everthing going?
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14:34	<mathesis> efra: espanish
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14:34	<efra>
14:34	<mathesis> nel we
14:35	ya toy quedando loco efra
14:35	llegue a un grado desesperante
14:35	efra: si la ram falla puede ser que por eso manda el error?
14:35	la ram del server
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14:55	<efra> Lo veo dificil mathesis
14:55	donde nos quedamos ayer era una bronca del servidor nfs
14:56	<mathesis> mira efra
14:56	f you use a inverter to supply power to the system, be careful with the distance between the inverter and the wiring, because if they are too near, booting the client isn't possible, they can't mount the nfs ltsp system, and in the clients boot process you get these errors:
14:56	if you use.... errors:
14:56	mount: RPC timed out
14:56	mount: NFS mount failed: bad file descriptor
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15:24	* efra_away is away: I'm out to lunch \| Sali a comer
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15:46	<fabriciocscte> tem algum brasileiro aqui no canal?????
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15:47	<markit> hi, in this story: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-server-farm.html?ca=dgr-lnxw02LinuxServerFarm they talk about a thin client that they call "ITX Mini-Box M200s", any clue/url about what this product is?
15:47	<fabriciocscte> tenho duas placa mães identica , so as duas dão problema pra iniciar o nfs.... sis530. Uma ta lan onborda davicom9102 e outra com uma off
15:54	alguem pode me ajudar com um problema no ltsp???
15:57	<jvin248> ogra, is the "12 step troubleshooting" list just for ltsp 4.2 or for K/Ubuntu 6.10 too (which seems to be different, but could be mine)? I've been trying to get sound and local aps but no luck so far (client sound is output on server). If different then what should I use to troubleshoot?
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18:49	<cliebow> Hay Ragnar!!!
18:49	<laprag> hiya chuck
18:50	how's life treating you these days?
18:50	<cliebow> ohh looking forward to spring..been cold..and wearing thin
18:51	<laprag> cold, eh? snow too?
18:51	<cliebow> no very dry really
18:51	it gets wearisome..
18:51	<laprag> heh
18:51	good thing you can play with ltsp then
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18:52	<cliebow> havnt made any great discoveries this year
18:52	i did get the netvista with motorola chips worlkin..or stefan hegner did
18:53	<laprag> is that a thin client?
18:53	<cliebow> yeah
18:53	with ppc chip in it.
18:53	p[retty downwardly mobile actually
18:53	<laprag> ppc chip? does ltsp run well on that arch now?
18:54	<cliebow> yes it does reallyh with udubntu/ltsp5
18:54	i helped a guy in Iowa get his lab of g3 working...via emaail
18:55	i havnt figured ut what ails windows dhcp that keeps ppc clients from netbooting
18:56	all the right parameters are in the ACK but the client doesnt seem to get the picture
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19:00	<cliebow> we bought out like 200 ibooks from the maine laptop initiative..the hard rives are failing so id like to use them for clients
19:00	<laprag> but no luck?
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20:02	<jammcq> hello
20:09	<cliebow> jammcq!!!!!sight foe sore fingers!!
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20:18	<jammcq> hey cliebow
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20:18	<jammcq> hey cliebow__
20:18	<cliebow__> jammcq:Hi!
20:19	you must be working your tail off
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20:20	<cliebow__> mathesis:you get your nfs straightened out?
20:20	<mathesis> cliebow__: i have install edubuntu
20:20	its very nice
20:21	its config automatic
20:21	<cliebow__> yes
20:21	and your clients are working..
20:21	<mathesis> yes
20:21	<cliebow__> eggscellent
20:21	<mathesis> its workin the 4 client
20:21	<cliebow__> cool!
20:22	<mathesis> i have only one problem
20:23	<jammcq> cliebow__: always
20:23	<mathesis> i have connetc a machine with windows XP in the switch of the clients
20:24	and no have internet the machine with windows
20:27	<cliebow__> are you paassing option routers in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
20:28	<mathesis> give a example
20:28	<cliebow__> i cant easiy from this gd xp machine
20:29	what is your gateway?
20:29	<mathesis> 192.168.1.254
20:30	<cliebow__> ipconfig /all should show what your xp thinks is the gateway
20:36	option routers 192.168.3.1;
20:36	is mine
20:42	<mathesis> cliebow__: the gateway 192.168.1.254
20:42	how is the syntax in dhcp_
20:43	<cliebow__> option routers 192.168.3.1;
20:52	<mathesis> option router 192.168.1.254
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21:21	<Doctor> anyone using write access to NFS off a ubuntu server? I exported it rw, mounted rw, but cant write to the nfs share
21:25	<cliebow> i once did a dd of a mac hd using rw..check your perms?
21:26	<mathesis> cliebow: you can a example of dhcp.conf with gateway 192.168.1.254
21:33	<Doctor> :-/
21:33	I'm root with no_root_squash although i guess i could try that
21:33	im getting Read Only Filesystem though
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22:05	<mathesis> se vagrantc jai
22:05	ya tengo ltsp
22:05	instale edubuntu y me lo configuro automaticamente
22:06	edubuntu tiene ltsp5
22:20	<vagrantc> mathesis: ah, si.