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02:04	<amol> hi to all, i am using ltsp4.2 in debian lenny
02:05	but getting error as tftp open timeout
02:20	<johnny> uhm. and your tftp server is running?
02:20	cyberorg, i'm still having trouble with sound :(
02:22	<cyberorg> johnny, try esound
02:22	<johnny> why would i want to do that?
02:22	<cyberorg> johnny, can you play any sound on the client at all?
02:22	<johnny> no
02:22	unless i choose alsa.. then it plays on the server
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02:23	<cyberorg> not even test after sshing in the client?
02:23	<johnny> ?
02:23	<cyberorg> ssh inside the client chroot and play something there just to be sure that sound hardware is detected and working properly
02:24	<johnny> i'll try in the debug console
02:24	<cyberorg> yeah try there
02:24	* cyberorg got netfat client working :)
02:25	<Pascal_1> Bonjour
02:25	<johnny> if i kill pulse, it plays
02:26	<cyberorg> johnny, got proper asound.conf?
02:26	<johnny> why should i need an asound.conf at all?
02:26	<cyberorg> you have to route all asla traffic through pulse
02:27	<johnny> that's required?
02:29	<cyberorg> johnny, see http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
02:29	<johnny> i'm trying to find where they do such a thing in debian
02:29	maybe they distribute something like that..
02:29	hmm.. actually lemme check my ubuntu install at red emma's
02:30	<cyberorg> johnny, i dont know too much details, but technically only one thing can access the sound device at a time
02:30	<johnny> dmix is on by default since ages
02:30	<amol> johnny: on server ,in ltspadmin command it is showing that tftp is running
02:31	<johnny> amol, prove it
02:31	try tftping something
02:31	<cyberorg> sending everything via pulse makes it possible for multiple programme use sound, it does all the mixing
02:31	<johnny> cyberorg, alsa does that on it's on in a normal setup
02:31	for 3 years i think
02:32	<cyberorg> johnny, if you use alsa directly it will lock access to sound for pulse
02:32	<johnny> we happen to need pulse for it's network capabilities
02:32	i know..
02:32	but in the debug console
02:32	i do this
02:32	PULSE_SERVER="tcp:192.168.2.100:4713" mpg123 -o pulse /foo.mp3
02:32	<cyberorg> johnny, you need alsa as well as pulse working together, that is where asound.conf comes in
02:32	<johnny> i see it playing
02:33	i don't see ubuntu using an asound.conf
02:33	either on the server, or on the chroot
02:33	<cyberorg> johnny, try it and see if it works, at least we would know if that is the issue
02:34	<amol> johhny: ps -aux\| grep tftp sows it runnning
02:34	shows
02:34	<cyberorg> asound.conf would be needed in chroot only
02:34	<johnny> thus.. make sure it is working amol
02:34	cyberorg, ubuntu doesn't have it
02:35	<amol> johnny: i am new to server side can you tell me how to ?
02:35	<cyberorg> johnny, you are running gentoo?
02:35	:)
02:35	<johnny> get "lts.conf" \| tftp yourserverip
02:35	err
02:35	echo "get lts.conf" \| tftp yourserverip
02:35	cyberorg, but i actually deploy ltsp
02:35	on ubuntu
02:36	where i assume sound should work (altho we don't have speakers)
02:36	<cyberorg> johnny, just try the damn thing and rule that out if it does not work
02:37	it is just 4 lines of conf file after all :)
02:37	<amol> johnny:netstat -anp \| grep ":69" shows getnameinfo failed
02:40	<johnny> i added the first two lines
02:40	and then -o puse
02:40	-o pulse
02:40	still the same
02:41	<cyberorg> johnny, use "If you want to make the PulseAudio driver the default, use something like this in the ALSA configuration files: "
02:41	<johnny> i don't necessarily wanna make it the default
02:41	first i wanna make it work with mpg123 with forcing pulseaudio
02:42	which should work.. with the first two options
02:42	<cyberorg> put those 4 lines and restart alsa, then pulseaudio and then try playing something without any option
02:42	<johnny> but then it says you haev to edit something
02:42	in the pulse audio startup
02:42	which we don't even use with ltsp
02:42	ie: it's not in ltsp-init-common
02:43	If you select the default ALSA device to be "pulse", you need to make sure that PA doesn't try to open the "default" device for its own audio output. If you previously were loading module-alsa-sink without special device argument this means you have to change it to the raw "hw:0" devices. Example:
02:43	that bit
02:43	that's not something we do in ltsp-init-common
02:43	<cyberorg> johnny, first you have to get pluseaudio working, does it normally work on gentoo?
02:44	<johnny> i would assume so..
02:44	<cyberorg> i mean is pa default sound server?
02:44	<johnny> gentoo has no defaults
02:44	for that
02:44	the gnome packages pull in esd
02:45	that's about it.. as far as defaults go
02:45	<cyberorg> johnny, so getting pa working on any distro takes some work, all these things mentioned on perfect setup page, it is not "drop in" replacement for esd
02:47	if esd is installed by default you should just use that, i did that till pa was integrated in suse, integration is really a lot of work
02:47	<johnny> esd is only installed by default in gnome.. :)
02:48	esd just gets in the way
02:48	uggh
02:49	<cyberorg> yes it does, so we put esd-compat which is just wrapper that calls pa
02:55	<johnny> i need to find somebody who actually knows about pulse on gentoo
02:55	i'll let them decide the best way to handle this
02:55	i'll just focus on local apps, since almost everything else works
02:55	and my packaging
03:00	<cyberorg> in the mean time, test esd also
03:00	<johnny> i want pulse audio to work on my laptop too
03:00	so i'll mess with that first
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03:18	<Comete> hi
03:19	after changing the ip of my LTSP server, i've entered : sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
03:20	but my thinclients can't connect
03:20	is there something to do after this ?
03:20	<cyberorg> Comete, on ubuntu you have to rebuild image after that
03:20	<Comete> oh ok thanks
03:23	<cyberorg> Nubae, another small difference, on suse image rebuilding is not required if server IP is changed as ssh public key is transferred via tftp
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03:25	<laga> cyberorg: nifty. has that change gone upstream?
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03:26	<lejo> afaik no
03:26	<cyberorg> laga, upstream does not like "public" key distribution via insecure tftp
03:27	<laga> ah
03:27	well, good idea
03:28	<cyberorg> as it is public i dont see any security issue there, anyone can get public key from the server, they just have to ask for it even if it is secured ssh
03:30	laga, being able to send many config files over tftp is good idea, it allows us to use one squashfs image on any server, it would work even on other distro ltsp server
03:30	<amol> jhonny: in my system tftpd is running ..i checked with command netstat
03:30	jhonny:still client workstation is giving error as tftpd open timeout
03:32	<laga> cyberorg: the issue is probably not getting the key, the issue is that someone might be able to give a different key to the clients
03:32	<Nubae> cyberorg: there are many ways to do ssh update without having to rebuild image
03:32	<amol> cyberorg:i am getting error at workstation as tftpd open timeout.i am new to LTSP
03:33	<cyberorg> laga, client is looking for key only on ltsp server
03:33	<Nubae> yeah, like laga says it could be a security concern if one could inject that
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03:33	<cyberorg> so someone has access to the server security is already compromised
03:33	<Nubae> true
03:34	<laga> well, they could hhave spoofed the IP or hijacked it
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03:35	<cyberorg> laga, then what can they do?
03:35	client will not be able to log in anyway
03:35	<laga> you're not paranoid enough ;)
03:35	<cyberorg> laga, seriously i want to know what damage can happen :)
03:35	<Nubae> well, that key isn't just for internal network is it?
03:36	<cyberorg> Nubae, it is "public"
03:36	<Nubae> if have ssh open from the internet
03:36	ahh, ok gotcha
03:37	<amol> hi to all, i am getting ip address from server but getting error as PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
03:37	<Nubae> amol: have u got a firewall running?
03:37	<amol> Nubaeyes
03:37	<Nubae> tftp timeout means the client is not seeing the tftp server, which probably means one of 2 things, tftp not running, or port blocked
03:38	<cyberorg> laga, i have thought hard, couldnt come up with any misuse of public key, even if someone spoofs IP and set up another ltsp server user will not be able to log in there without user database there, and if they did log in their data is on another server
03:38	<Nubae> cyberorg: would be nice to see if you can't work out a way to do that upstream
03:39	<cyberorg> amol, is tftp enabled via xinetd?
03:39	<Nubae> doesn't seem like a big one
03:39	<cyberorg> Nubae, it is just 4-5 lines of shell, johnny you saw that?
03:39	<johnny> it's not that big of a deal to update the image
03:39	imo
03:39	<Nubae> then all distros can benefit
03:39	<johnny> ips shouldn't change that often
03:39	<amol> cyberlog:i have edited file /etc/inetd.conf file
03:40	<cyberorg> Nubae, it is not a big deal if you have built image, here we are distributing prebuilt image, so user dont have to build their own
03:40	and they dont have to create new image if they are building another server
03:40	<amol> cyberlog:what changes i should do in /etc/xinetd.conf?
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03:41	<lejo> i make 1 image to distribute to different customers so it does matter
03:41	<cyberorg> amol, sorry i am not familiar with inetd, we use xinetd
03:41	<Nubae> the issue is, that the more different kiwi-ltsp becomes, the more it becomes a fork
03:42	<cyberorg> Nubae, image building and configuration part comes directly from kiwi
03:42	<Nubae> amol: what distro u using?
03:42	<amol> cyberlog: i am also having xinetd but how to make tftp enable in xinetd?
03:42	Nubae:Debian lenny
03:42	<cyberorg> amol, you cannot mix inetd and xinetd
03:42	<Nubae> ok.... amol u should be using inetd.conf
03:43	<amol> Nubae:yes
03:43	Nubae:also in my system xinetd is installed and running
03:43	<Nubae> that then scroll down to the tftp line and paste it
03:44	well, that could cause problems like cyberorg says
03:44	<johnny> one or the other..
03:47	<amol> Nubae:now after stoping my firewall i am getting error as PXE-T01: file not found
03:47	PXE-E3B: TFTP error - file not found
03:47	<johnny> amol, btw.. ltsp4 is unsupported in generla
03:47	<Nubae> hey johnny, what were the instructions for doing autologin (guest)
03:48	lenny has 5.0
03:48	<cyberorg> amol, what is the path to tftp's root?
03:48	<johnny> Nubae, i think it changed inbetween versions
03:48	i think mine is LDM_AUTOLOGIN
03:48	<Nubae> yeah mine was too, but wanted to add to documentation in appendix... is it on a wiki somewhere
03:48	<cyberorg> Nubae, use easy-ltsp, add autologin, see "preview" of the lts.conf, you will see the variables added
03:48	<Nubae> don't want to write it all out again
03:49	<amol> cyberlog:where the path of tftp's root will be mentioned?..sorry but i am new to it
03:49	<johnny> Nubae, i'ts also in lts-parameters.txt in bzr now
03:49	or should be
03:49	you should make sure you look in bzr
03:49	<Nubae> ok, lemme check that
03:49	amol: in /etc/inetd.conf
03:50	amol: you can restart it by doing sudo /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa restart
03:51	<johnny> huh?
03:51	you wouldn't do standalone and inetd
03:51	that's also conflicting
03:52	<Nubae> johnny: what do you mean?
03:52	<amol> Nubae : ined.conf ...tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /tftpboot
03:52	<johnny> Nubae, the init.d script is for standalone
03:52	amol and what is in /tftpboot
03:52	perhaps it should be /var/lib/tftpboot
03:53	<Nubae> root should be running tftp, not nobody
03:53	<amol> johnny:lts folder
03:53	<cyberorg> Nubae, nobody can run tftp :)
03:54	<amol> johnny:i will make it to /varlib/tftpboot and restart service..
03:54	<johnny> /var/lib :)
03:54	<amol> johnyy:yes /var/lib/tftpboot as well i will make nobody to root
03:55	<johnny> no
03:55	keep it nobody
03:55	<cyberorg> amol, nobody is fine, linux systems do not like root running daemons
03:55	<johnny> please don't change that :)
03:55	<Nubae> not important, but on ubuntu its root as default
03:56	<johnny> really? i would be suprised
03:56	<Nubae> well, be surprised then :-)
03:56	<johnny> yeah i can see that
03:57	<Nubae> i figured there was a reason for that
03:59	<amol> cyberlog:still i am getting same error PXE-T01: file not found PXE-E3B: TFTP error - file not found
04:00	<johnny> amol, do you see TFTP Prefix:
04:00	when it tries to boot
04:00	perhaps your dhcp server is not correct
04:00	config*
04:00	Nubae, cyberorg : i found something odd
04:01	the only way i could get 3 different machines to boot, was to remove the leading / from /ltsp/x86/pxelinux.0
04:01	in dnsmasq config
04:01	<amol> johnny: i am getting ip address from dhcp server and even tftp prefix is coming aftr getting ip address
04:01	<johnny> and what is the prefix
04:01	<cyberorg> johnny, cool, put that on ltsp.org wiki somewhere
04:01	<johnny> you should use /ltsp/i386/
04:04	<amol> johnny: after getting ip address only TFtP. coming and after that it is giving error
04:04	<johnny> i'm asking you..
04:04	what is the prefix it says
04:12	<amol> johnny:it is showing client mac address GUID client IP 192.168.42.100 MASK 255.255.255.0 DHCP IP 192.168.42.16 GATEWAY IP :192.168.42.16
04:13	after that TFTP. PXE-T01: file not found PXE-E3B: TFTP error - file not found
04:13	<johnny> so.. you're not seeing TFTP Prefix
04:14	try doing this manually
04:14	outside of the client
04:14	similiar to what i showed you before
04:14	err exactly what is showed you
04:16	<amol> johnny: how to do manually?
04:20	<Nubae> johnny: /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa maps to starting via inetd as default
04:20	<johnny> echo "get lts.conf" \| tftp yourserver
04:20	Nubae, that's twisted
04:20	<Nubae> check /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
04:20	well, since this is ltsp guess it makes sense
04:20	<johnny> USUALLY.. you start it one way or the other
04:20	no it doesn't
04:21	that's a modification
04:21	<Nubae> well, it would confuse people if both were allowed at the same time
04:21	<johnny> via init.d scripts.. it's supposed run standalone
04:21	<Nubae> so they limit your options to one :-)
04:21	<johnny> and inetd, started on demand
04:23	<Nubae> netstat -nulp \| grep atftpd # should display udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* <some num>/atftpd
04:23	amol try that too
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04:23	<Nubae> check to see that tftp port isn't blocked
04:25	<johnny> Nubae, see.. it shouldn't show that if you're running via inetd :)
04:25	since it only runs on demand
04:26	<amol> Nubae: netstat -nulp \| grep tftpd giving output as udp 0 0.0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0.* 11665/in.tftpd
04:26	<Nubae> good, means its running
04:27	<amol> Nubae:i changed dhcpd.conf filename to linux-install/pxelinux.0 then also not working
04:27	<johnny> huh ?
04:28	<Nubae> johnny: right, just copied and pasted from some website talking about atftpd
04:28	<johnny> atftp runs standalone
04:28	<Nubae> right
04:28	but as amol found out, taking out the a in atftpd still gives the result needed ;-)
04:29	<amol> johnny,Nubae : still i am not getting whats going wrong in server configuration..
04:30	i am getting same error file not found
04:30	<johnny> amol, what's your dhcp config look like
04:30	!pastebot
04:30	<ltspbot> johnny: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
04:31	<Nubae> maybe its dns
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04:33	<ltsppbot> "amol" pasted "PXE-T01: file not found PXE-E3B: TFTP error - file not found" (38 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/63
04:34	<amol> johnny:http://pastebot.ltsp.org/63
04:36	<johnny> so /tftpboot/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0 exists ?
04:37	<amol> johnny:yes it is present
04:37	<johnny> hmm
04:38	try
04:38	echo "get pxelinux.0" \| tftp yourserverip
04:38	and also.. if that doesn't work
04:39	echo "get /lts/2.6.16-1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0" \| tftp yourserverip
04:39	<amol> what it does?
04:40	tftp command not found
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04:49	<amol> jhonny:tftp>Error code 1: file not found
04:50	jhonny: this is output of echo " get pxelinux.0" \| tftp 192.168.42.16
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04:51	<cyberorg> echo " get p/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/xelinux.0" \| tftp 192.168.42.16
04:51	echo "get /lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/xelinux.0" \| tftp 192.168.42.16
04:51	sorry: echo "get /lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0" \| tftp 192.168.42.16
04:51	that one
04:53	if that file is in /var/lib/tftpboot/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0 and tftp root is /var/lib/tftpboot/ in inetd.conf
04:53	<amol> cyberorg:same error tftp>error code 1:file not found
04:54	<cyberorg> amol, pastebin ined.conf
04:54	inetd.conf*
04:56	<ltsppbot> "amol" pasted "tftp>error code 1:file not found" (42 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/64
04:57	<amol> cyberlog: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/64
04:57	<cyberorg> amol, pastebin "ls /var/lib/tftpboot/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0"
04:59	<amol> cyberlog:/var/lib/tftpboot contain a empty directory ltsp
05:00	<johnny> that's the problem
05:00	<cyberorg> amol, copy lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0 from wherever it is in there
05:00	<amol> ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ --->empty
05:00	cyberlog:after copying where to paste?
05:01	<cyberorg> amol, where is lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0?
05:01	copy that lts folder to /var/lib/tftpboot
05:01	<amol> cyberlogin /tftpboot/
05:02	cyberlog:in /tftpboot/
05:02	<johnny> cyberorg, thisi s ltsp 4 ?
05:02	btw
05:02	<cyberorg> amol, btw you can type couple of letters from someone's name and hit tab to complete it
05:03	amol, ok, if it is in /tftpboot, change inetd.conf /var/lib/tftpboot to /tftpboot and restart service
05:03	<amol> cyberorg, ok..
05:04	<cyberorg> amol, if it is ltsp 4.2 use ltsp-admin command, but you are better off using ltsp5 as it works better on recent distros
05:06	<amol> cyberorg, it is ltsp4.2 onlyltsp-admin command i used for configuring ltsp
05:07	cyberorg, still same error i am getting as file not found
05:07	<cyberorg> amol, restarted the service?
05:08	<amol> cyberorg, yes
05:09	<cyberorg> touch /tftpboot/test on the server and then try echo "get test" \| tftp 192.168.42.16
05:10	<amol> cyberorg, tftp: test: is a directory
05:11	<cyberorg> amol, touch /tftpboot/test1 && echo "get test1" \| tftp 192.168.42.16
05:12	<amol> cyberorg, tftp>error code 1:file not found
05:12	for test1
05:12	<cyberorg> amol, is there another 192.168.42.16 in your network?
05:13	<amol> cyberorg, no
05:14	<cyberorg> ok, do: chown nobody /tftpboot -R
05:14	<amol> nobody or root?
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05:21	<cyberorg> amol, nobody as it says there :)
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05:26	<amol> cyberorg, yes applied this chown command after that?
05:26	<cyberorg> amol, now you should be access the tftp server
05:34	<amol> cyberorg, echo "get test1" \|tftp 192.168.42.16 .....tftp>Error code 1:File not foundf
05:35	<cyberorg> amol, if inetd is pointing to /tftpboot and if you have file /tftpboot/test1 there, doing echo "get test1" \| tftp localhost must work
05:36	unless some other tftp service is also running which points to wrong place, that is why xinetd and inetd cannot be run together
05:36	<amol> cyberorg, so shall i stop xinetd service?
05:37	<cyberorg> amol, yes first thing you were supposed to do :)
05:38	<amol> cyberorg, after stopping xinetd still echo....gives same error
05:39	<cyberorg> amol, restart inetd after stopping xinetd
05:49	<amol> cyberorg, i removed all inetd service and now trying with only xinetd..
05:50	cyberorg, created a file tftp in /etc/xinetd.d directory
05:50	<cyberorg> !debian @ amol
05:50	<ltspbot> cyberorg: Error: "debian" is not a valid command.
05:50	<cyberorg> !deb @ amol
05:50	<ltspbot> cyberorg: Error: "deb" is not a valid command.
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05:51	<cyberorg> amol, just follow this for ltsp5 http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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06:23	<ltsppbot> "amol" pasted "syslog" (45 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/65
06:24	<amol> cyberorg, i ahve pasted my syslog in which it states that tftp failed to start
06:24	<cyberorg> bind failed (Address already in use (errno = 98)). service = tftp
06:25	amol, that means you have tftp running
06:25	conflict between inetd and xinetd
06:26	<amol> cyberorg, even after stopping xinetd tftp is not working
06:27	<cyberorg> amol, get rid of one of them
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06:37	<ogra> geeez
06:37	* ogra is stunned
06:37	<ogra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface
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07:37	<Comete> hi
07:39	i'm using edubuntu 8.04 and i have a strange problem when running tuxpaint on thinclients, i can't quit tuxpaint and on the console i can see : "open /dev/sequencer or /dev/snd/seq: No such file or..."
07:39	it works like a charm on server directly
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07:42	<Nubae1> Comete: I've seen that error somewhere before
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07:42	<Nubae> I can tell you that normally it works fine on the clients though, I use tuxpaint and others frequently in primary school
07:45	<Comete> Nubae: i have two servers and the problem on both
07:46	<Nubae> distro?
07:46	<Comete> edubuntu 8.04
07:46	last updates
07:46	<Nubae> hmmm
07:46	<Comete> 8.04.1 exactly
07:47	if i run tuxpaint --nosound it works
07:47	but i would like the sound...
07:48	other apps use the sound card without problems
07:50	<Nubae> strange, Im using the same distro and it works without problems
07:50	I'm trying to see if there are any bug reports about that, also, you should try pasting the error message u get in google
07:51	error message+ltsp
07:51	<Comete> already tried and found one thread about that without answer...
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07:54	<Nubae> have u looked at bugs.launchpad.net?
07:54	might be some more info thre
07:54	<Comete> i'm looking at it
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07:58	<Comete> Nubae: nothing here
08:07	<Nubae> which thin clients?
08:09	<Comete> Nubae: this is the workaround: sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all
08:09	Nubae: and it works now ! :)
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08:15	<Nubae> hmm weird... so libsdl wasnt installed then
08:15	where did u find the workaround?
08:16	<Comete> http://www.linux-archive.org/edubuntu-user/147133-apps-hanging-around-2.html
08:16	yes it was installed but the alsa only version
08:19	<Nubae> ok, thats a bug, can you file a report on launchpad?
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08:39	<sbalneav> Morning all
08:39	<UsUrP_away> morning! :D
08:39	any luck with dual-screen on your ATI?
08:40	<sbalneav> Didn't get around to it last night. I was fixing up a couple of other issues with the docs
08:40	I'll try to get to it tonight.
08:41	<UsUrP_away> k, no prob
08:42	<ogra> !s
08:42	<ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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08:46	<Comete> Nubae: yes i will do this tonight
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08:58	<sbalneav> Morning ogra
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09:13	<dberkholz> johnny: look into `eselect esd` regarding pulse/esd
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09:14	<jammcq> hello friends
09:15	http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
09:15	if you think you might be coming to BTS-2008, please go to that wiki page and sign up, or tell me the info and I'll add it to the page
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09:18	<Nubae> will these things ever be hosted in Europe?
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09:22	<ogra> Nubae, host one :) i'll attend
09:23	* ogra remembers asking the very same question 3 years ago
09:24	<ogra> Nubae, we had one in paris btw :) attached to a UDS
09:25	<jammcq> Nubae: where in europe would you like?
09:26	* ogra would host one if the house were ready for that yet
09:26	<ogra> i have 2500 sqft and one big room we could use for conferencing
09:26	but the house isnt ready yet
09:27	probably in a year :)
09:27	* jammcq is always happy to travel to Europe
09:27	<ogra> we'Re lacking a bit in euro devs though
09:27	* ogra has to ruch out for 1h
09:29	<Nubae> jammcq: anywhere in Europe is good... I currently live in Vienna, but jump back and forth between Spain and Austria
09:29	<warren> we should go someplace exotic like Tibet
09:29	<jammcq> hmm, Vienna would be nice. I REALLY enjoyed my last trip to Seville Spain
09:29	I'd go back there again any time
09:29	<Nubae> with the skolelinux project in extramedura it kind of makes sense to have another there?
09:29	<jammcq> Italy would be nice
09:30	France or Germany would be fine too
09:30	<Nubae> depends on the time frame... if its winter, down south
09:30	if its summer, up north :-)
09:30	<jammcq> maybe summer for 2010 we could do it. July of 2009 we're all heading to Brazil
09:30	<warren> /usr/bin/amixer the location for your distros?
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09:31	<Nubae> nice... what part of brazil?
09:31	<jammcq> Porto Alegre, in the south
09:31	<Nubae> yeah very nice
09:32	warren: buntu is there yeah
09:34	<warren> saw my ALSA proposal on the list?
09:37	<Nubae> looks good
09:37	<dberkholz> speaking of tibet, i wonder if there's much going on in nepal
09:37	i know the olpc thing was looking promising there, dunno about ltsp
09:38	<Nubae> dberkholz: I just came from there
09:38	was working on olpc stuff there
09:38	they were entirely uninterested in ltsp, no matter how hard I pushed :-)
09:38	<dberkholz> i suppose they'd rather get government-donated computers than buy their own
09:39	<Q-FUNK> wasn
09:39	<Nubae> its mostly foreign embassies giving the money to them
09:39	they have a big deal with the Danish embassy there
09:39	<Q-FUNK> 't "ufw" capable of enabling NAT just with a simple command?
09:40	<dberkholz> Nubae: what's the deal, gurkhas for laptops?
09:40	<Nubae> Nepal has no infrastructure, no money, very little bandwidth and a horde of issues that make it very hard to get any work done on the ground there
09:41	they had a centrally controlled dansguardian and squid that basically made the slow connection even slower
09:42	well, OLE Nepal is much like a company... they offer services to various organisations like the Danish government and they get funding that way
09:42	the reason there was no interest in ltsp is because the predominant thought was that cloud computing is the future, not thin computing
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09:45	<dberkholz> you need a thin client to get to the cloud =)
09:45	<jammcq> dberkholz: hey, little bambino arrive yet?
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09:46	<dberkholz> jammcq: yep, last monday (sept 1)
09:46	<jammcq> whoa, cool
09:46	<dberkholz> sleep is kind of a toss-up at this point
09:46	<jammcq> specs?
09:46	<Nubae> congrats
09:46	<sbalneav> dberkholz: Congrats on the baby!
09:46	<dberkholz> autumn mikaela, 7 lbs 4 oz, 21"
09:47	for the imperially challenged, that's 3.6 kg, 53 cm
09:48	<jammcq> beautiful name too
09:48	<dberkholz> thanks sbalneav
09:48	<jammcq> welcome to the club
09:48	<dberkholz> in retrospect, i'm really glad i started reserving morning time away from home to work on oss
09:48	because i've got essentially no time at home
09:49	<jammcq> life is entirely different for you from now on
09:49	<dberkholz> jammcq: heh, another friend just left the exact same 'club' comment on facebook
09:49	<jammcq> heh
09:50	when she comes to you wanting $160 to buy a dress for homecoming, that she's only going to wear once. That just.... umm, Special
09:50	<dberkholz> $160? sounds like you got off cheap =)
09:50	<jammcq> it's only HOMECOMING
09:50	it's not even the prom
09:50	<dberkholz> oh, right.
09:51	<jammcq> and i've got 2 of them in high school right now, attending the homecoming dance
09:51	anyway, congrats. enjoy what you have. it's really remarkable
09:51	<sbalneav> My wife paid $1500 for a wedding dress + 800 x 3 for three Cheungsams she wore for her wedding. Only worn once. I had an $80 tuxedo rental. :)
09:52	<warren> by the time that baby goes to a homecoming dance, inflation will push that past $1,000
09:52	<jammcq> sbalneav: yeah, and it's not like she can pass it down to brian or kevin :)
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09:53	<sbalneav> Exactly :)
09:53	<dberkholz> warren: no doubt. i'm cringing at the hundreds of thousands of dollars college will cost by then
09:53	<jammcq> they're prolly no gonna want to wear it
09:53	<sbalneav> Ah, you'll manage. We all have.
09:58	<warren> Lennart is telling me pulseaudio hides all the controls BY DESIGN
09:58	because users have no reason to be touching it
09:58	<jammcq> if users don't touch it, who does?
10:02	<Q-FUNK> geeks
10:03	* cyberorg points johnny to ltsp-discuss :)
10:05	<warren> he's telling me setting alsa volume higher by default is a mistake
10:05	because percentages are meaningless
10:06	<cyberorg> warren, people say it works for them
10:06	<warren> cyberorg: apparently alsa 1.0.18 changes how it works entirely
10:06	<cyberorg> i have used alsamixer to increase levels too
10:06	<warren> cyberorg: to "sensible defaults"
10:07	<cyberorg> oh, so highest is what alsa thinks what is good for us?
10:08	so what do we do?
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10:15	<warren> cyberorg: it is different with different hardware
10:15	<cyberorg> warren, ok, so hoping changing percentage will till give little bit of increase for the users
10:16	<warren> cyberorg: the range itself of what 100% means could be very different and dangerously high (damage hardware)
10:17	<cyberorg> warren, probably that is the reason we have it set at 80% as default
10:18	<warren> the percentages are meaningless though
10:18	the range itself is changing for all hardware for alsa 1.0.18
10:21	i'm setting defaults to 90% instead of 100%
10:22	<Nubae> well, allowing the values to be overridden in lts.conf is the way then
10:23	<warren> yes, it will be
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10:42	<Gadi> warren: having no default would be a no harm no foul situation
10:43	<warren> Gadi: no default means most users never use it
10:43	<Gadi> right
10:43	sounds like that is the case
10:44	I mean, sounds like most users don't need to set the default volume to something other than what the sound driver or ALSA sets by default
10:44	<warren> really?
10:44	I can barely hear anything on most of my clients and laptops unless I change the defaults
10:44	that pulseaudio wont let me at
10:47	<Gadi> what do I know? I just work here...
10:47	:)
10:48	just wondering if many users feel the same
10:48	<Nubae> warren: agreed... defaults are too low
10:48	my users do :-)
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10:48	<Gadi> makes me further wonder why pulseaudio or alsa or the driver would be too low by design
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10:48	<Gadi> who knows?
10:49	<Nubae> maybe its a ltsp thing
10:49	<warren> pulseaudio thinks it is wrong for users to touch it
10:49	<Nubae> would be good to compare the 2
10:49	<Gadi> I set lts.conf vars explicitly for most things, anyway, myself
10:49	:)
10:49	<warren> Nubae: no
10:50	<Nubae> well, the big difference is you can control volume on a non ltsp setup
10:50	probably why no one notices
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11:09	<ogra> heh, and they say canonical doesnt contribute to redhat ... http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008/09/10/one-fools-ipo-wish-list.aspx
11:11	<Q-FUNK> ogra: any particular reason why there is no global asound.conf by default on hardy to use pulseaudio? has it been fixed on intrepid?
11:11	<ogra> fixed ?
11:11	why do you think its broken :)
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11:18	<ogra> Q-FUNK, on first boot of a ubuntu system all levels ae set to 80% on first (and each subsequent) shutdown of a system the levels are saved
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11:18	<ogra> /etc/udev/rules.d/85-alsa.rules cares for that through calling /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
11:19	both scripts were developed by daniel chen (alsa upstream dev)
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11:24	<Q-FUNK> ogra: because on hardy, pulseaudio forwarding is not enabled by default
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11:25	<ogra> Q-FUNK, why should it ? thats only relevant for ltsp (for which it is enabled)
11:26	<Q-FUNK> it's not. I needed to put an asound.conf in /etc for it to work
11:26	<ogra> no
11:26	thats wrong
11:26	do you have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80_ltsp-sound ?
11:26	<Q-FUNK> I'm affraid so. there was no sound, before
11:26	<ogra> that sets it on a per user base
11:27	(it works for everyone else )
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11:30	<Nubae> has anyone tested local apps for the tux suite?
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11:30	<ogra> Nubae, nope
11:30	<Nubae> I dont get many complaints for our setup, the only one is the tux sutie
11:31	which brings the system to a grinding halt when the entire primary starts it up
11:32	<ogra> thats likely more the fault of sdl's way of using GL
11:34	<Nubae> but a quick fix would be setting tux suite to execute locally right?
11:34	Or should I file bug reports... hanging of tux suite happens more often than anything else from what I see
11:34	<ogra> both i guess :)
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11:43	<Gadi> warren: did you ever investigate the flash player performance stuff in more depth?
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12:11	<warren> Gadi: no
12:11	Gadi: they made it clear that there is nothing they will do about it
12:14	<Nubae> wow, and there was me thinking adobe was getting involved in open source...
12:19	<Gadi> warren: did you see my post?
12:20	* Gadi does not think it is necessarily anything they are doing or not doing
12:21	* Gadi thinks we need to have real tests of the problem and a real handle on it before we know what to ask for
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12:24	<Nubae> hmmm I'm wondering where to file bug reports about tux suite on launchpad
12:24	should be directly for the tux suite, or related to ltsp?
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12:39	<walter> cyberorg, dude, you there?
12:40	<cyberorg> walter, hi :)
12:40	<walter> cyberorg, Can I just ask you something?
12:40	<cyberorg> if it is ltsp related ;)
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12:41	<walter> cyberorg, I am experiencing a little issue with printers. I mapped Mac addresses to IPs in dhcpd.conf. Then I set up the USB Printers in lts.conf, mapped to the mac address. Then I added a printer with cups, using a specific IP address and HP JetDirect. All theprinters work, but one.
12:41	cyberorg, it is going Host busy, retrying in 30 sec
12:42	cyberorg, it is saying it in Italian, but it is something like: "Network Host busy"
12:42	<cyberorg> walter, i dont have much experience with printers :(
12:42	<Nubae> heh, I know that message... turn it off, delete the printer
12:42	and try again
12:42	<walter> Turn off the printer or the host?
12:42	Or both?
12:42	<Nubae> both
12:42	<walter> ;)
12:43	<warren> Gadi: where?
12:43	<Nubae> its important after putting the printer in, to restart the thin client
12:43	after the printer is on, so it can do the jetpipe thing
12:44	maybe restart cupsys too
12:45	<cyberorg> walter, "chattr +i /etc/dhcpd.conf" just so that running kiwi-ltsp-setup -c again do not mess up your hard work
12:45	to edit it again "chattr -i /etc/dhcpd.conf"
12:51	<sbalneav> So, I made some updates to the docs last night, specifically, some sizing clarifications, and restoring all the original copyright attributions
12:51	I've branched it, look for ltsp-docs-sbalneav
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13:04	<walter> cyberorg, which is exactly what the latest kiwi-ltsp-setup -c did ;)
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13:05	<walter> cyberorg, I am going to change it now. Great tip dude.
13:05	Bailing now. See y'all later.
13:05	<cyberorg> walter, it keeps backup, so you can get it back, see /etc/dhcpd.conf.*
13:06	<walter> cyberorg, Got it. Really good to know. Bye.
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13:09	<vagrantc> altlinux lives?
13:10	<cyberorg> vagrantc, alive and doing well from the post :)
13:10	<vagrantc> it's jsut a release announcement... i have no idea if it has anything to do with LTSP.
13:11	<cyberorg> vagrantc, it is altlinux terminal server
13:11	* vagrantc wonders how much they've forked from upstream
13:13	<cyberorg> vagrantc, all of their stuff is also committed upstream
13:13	<vagrantc> wow. i haven't seen commits from them for close to 6 months.
13:13	<dmaran> Hello all, is anyone else noticing any "odd" behavior trying to log out of a client as of late? We are having issues all of a sudden with no clear reason as to why. No updates applied and it is NOT client hardware specfic.
13:14	<cyberorg> vagrantc, see the kernel version they are using, i am sure they are not used to updating things :)
13:15	<dmaran> Symptoms are select "quit" from any menu in Hardy- and it seems to just sit there for about a minute before the logout options become present onthe screen
13:15	<warren> I need to tag soon.
13:15	vagrantc: how well tested are those localapps changes
13:15	<vagrantc> warren: i gave it a whirl, they worked. you'll have to re-work your packaging a little to relfect the new names.
13:16	didn't seem to break anything else, either.
13:16	<warren> vagrantc: already did
13:16	<vagrantc> dmaran: even after running a program, such as firefox or an xterm ?
13:16	dmaran: i saw a similar issue on debian recently...
13:17	<dmaran> yeah this is with nothing open or a whole lot o stuf
13:17	* vagrantc tries to find the debian bug report
13:17	<dmaran> no matter it is always about 45-55 seconds
13:17	thanks
13:19	<vagrantc> dmaran: http://bugs.debian.org/486007
13:19	dmaran: do you have gnome-power-manager installed?
13:19	<dmaran> yes
13:20	<vagrantc> dmaran: also appears to be an ubuntu bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/123078
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13:31	<dmaran> vagrantc: thank this looks to be it.
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13:33	<dmaran> My session is hosed, I'll be back with the results....
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13:33	<warren> vagrantc: time to tag ltspfs?
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13:40	<dmaran> Well that wasn't it
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13:40	<walter> You guys.
13:40	How do I get HPLip to run on Suse-Ltsp?
13:40	Or any Ltsp, for that matter?
13:40	I installed HPLip through Package Manager
13:41	and when I run /etc/init.d/hplip start, it just seems to stop a process. I looked into the file and all the commands, start, restart, etc. are mapped to just do a "stop". Why?
13:42	Furthermore, I added XINETD_SERVICES = saned in lts.conf, for the appropriate MAC Address. Is that right?
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13:42	<walter> Shouldn't it just work now? I am doing this cause I wanna scan, the printer is working fine.
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13:44	<walter> Going away for a sec. Please post an answer if you know how to get a scanner to work in a workstation on Ltsp.
13:46	<johnny> ok.. so which apps xrexecd xrexecd xatomwait go where again?
13:47	i promise to write it down this time :)
13:49	<warren> they were renamed
13:50	* johnny thinks it would be funny if somebody left their client up for 366 days on fedora and it caused it a bug.
13:50	<johnny> well the first two were
13:50	<warren> johnny: good point
13:50	* warren increases it to 50000000000 days
13:51	<warren> johnny: actually, it would loop again and sleep 365d again.
13:51	<johnny> aha.. true
13:51	is there a reason you loop there?
13:51	and sleep
13:51	i don't sleep there
13:51	<warren> I couldn't think of anything better.
13:51	the script cannot exit
13:51	<johnny> hmm.. because?
13:51	<warren> because it will be respawned if it does
13:52	<johnny> because you want it to respawn
13:52	<warren> technically what I should do is waitpid on everything it spawned, and exit only if all child processes exited.
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13:52	<warren> but that isn't easy
13:53	because of the screen_sessions script
13:53	(which I think is a bad idea)
13:53	i'm tagging ltsp
13:53	and ltspfs
13:53	real soon
13:53	any objections?
13:54	<johnny> well i could update my scripts to include your thingy
13:54	the sound change
13:54	shouldn't everybody else?
13:54	our alsa scripts don't unmute by default, so this is good for me
13:55	saves me from adding it myself :)
13:55	<warren> go ahead
13:55	but do it quick
13:55	I really need to build something
13:55	you already use ltsp-init-common for something else?
13:55	<johnny> sure
13:55	everything else..
13:56	<warren> i'll be bak in 30 minutes.
13:56	that time I will tag
13:56	<johnny> i should probably add a dep on this service
13:56	<warren> brb
13:56	<johnny> need alsasound
13:57	warren, what do you think about moving that tftp server stuff to ltsp-init-common? would it really hurt anybody?
13:57	with one single arg
13:57	path
14:00	* vagrantc is fine with tagging ltsp-trunk and ltspfs-trunk
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14:03	<warren> johnny: what tftp servers tuff?
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14:10	<johnny> warren, how we both get the lts.conf
14:11	<warren> johnny: can we do this after tagging? I really need to get something stable now
14:11	I don't have time to test more
14:12	<johnny> i pushed
14:12	<warren> go ahead and add your thing to use the new function I added
14:12	k
14:12	<johnny> or am pushing rather
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14:15	<johnny> pushed succeeded.
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14:15	<johnny> oh.. i rushed it.. didn't prefix it with Gentoo: .. sorry
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14:19	<warren> too late now
14:19	i'm tagging
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14:23	<_UsUrPeR_> quick question -- has anyone gotten GLXgears working on a client before?
14:24	<johnny> sure
14:24	<_UsUrPeR_> it works for me, comes up and says that it's pushing around 150 FPS, but there's no actual movement of the 3d image
14:24	<johnny> not me.. but i heard it does.
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14:37	<_UsUrPeR_> huh
14:38	has anyone had any luck with 3d acceleration?
14:39	<johnny> your mixed case name hurts my eyes
14:39	<warren> _UsUrPeR_: it works if your X driver supports it, but it is slower than local of course.
14:39	_UsUrPeR_: I can do remote compiz on intel 915 and higher or radeon 7500 for example
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14:41	<_UsUrPeR_> warren: I'm using driver "via" in the xorg.conf I have set up. It that what you are referring to?
14:42	<warren> _UsUrPeR_: AFAIK via never did 3D ever
14:42	_UsUrPeR_: what distro?
14:43	<_UsUrPeR_> chrome9.83-242-u804
14:43	<warren> _UsUrPeR_: only binary-only buggy drivers from via did 3D on via chipsets. their recent open "chrome" driver doesn't do 3D.
14:43	<_UsUrPeR_> err whoops... unichrome.83-242-u804
14:44	warren: that makes more sense now
14:44	like i said, the gears came up, but there was no movement on the screen
14:44	<warren> 150fps of nothing? =)
14:44	<_UsUrPeR_> exactly
14:44	I was confused as well :)
14:45	at first i had considered that they were moving so quickly, that they appeared to be standing still
14:45	not the case
14:45	<warren> via is yet to achieve anything with their new openness
14:45	they're making real steps though
14:46	<_UsUrPeR_> well at least they've tried
14:46	<warren> they are trying
14:46	and htey hired someone with a clue to work on it
14:46	<_UsUrPeR_> etyack was telling me about that
14:47	i'm hoping he senses a disturbance in the force every time h\\is name is discussed
14:47	<warren> no, you have to blow up planets for that.
14:47	<_UsUrPeR_> awww
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14:47	<warren> sorry to disappoint
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14:53	<_UsUrPeR_> warren: what older drivers were there that supported 3d acceleration? You don't happen to have a copy sitting around do you?
14:54	<warren> _UsUrPeR_: I have no idea, I don't use VIA binary-only drivers.
14:54	<_UsUrPeR_> k, air enough
14:54	<warren> _UsUrPeR_: and those binary only drivers likely only worked with certain kernels and X versions
14:54	<_UsUrPeR_> air = fair
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14:57	<ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "gnome-watchdog summary for today (so far) at a test site (/var/log/user.log)" (807 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/66
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14:58	<Lns> FYI everyone: This might help everyone in testing out gnome-watchdog. It seems to be working well for me so far at my test sites.
14:58	Any comments/discussion welcome.
14:59	Obviously gnome-panel is constantly hanging around after logout, which is troublesome when logging back in (doesn't show up, takes a LONG time to show up)
15:00	<sbalneav> Our gnome panels don't seem to have that problem.
15:00	Are people logging out, or just yanking power?
15:01	<Lns> oh
15:01	wait..i'm sorry, it looks like the log goes by existing gnome-panel procs to kill remaining processes
15:03	sbalneav: logging off, unless the TC locks up on them during use
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15:18	<sbalneav> Lns: So, do you figure the ones getting killed are locked up ones?
15:18	<Lns> sbalneav: no, because I see similar things on my own server, and I never have lockups
15:19	always upon logout.
15:21	sbalneav: what was your #1 "on the server" way of doing numlock in ldm? I can't find it in the list.
15:22	<johnny> sbalneav, which of the apps in /localapps goes where?
15:23	<Lns> sbalneav: ah, nevermind. found it - and yeah, the whole /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ scripts get executed UPON login, not before, which is my issue.
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15:27	<Lns> bb in a bit, sbalneav, lemme know about numlock issue.. (lunch is a good time to hit 'standby' on your brain)
15:33	<alkisg> Hi all, ubuntu 8.04.1, when an fstab device is mounted it shows on all ltsp user desktops. How is this done? I'd like to do something like that with a directory link (I mean, to show a link on the users desktops without actually doing "ln -s /path/to/directory /home/username/desktop" for all users)
15:33	<jarlo> attempting to install a couple of thincans dbe60 and 61 with amd geods, all I get is a session start up bar and then a blinking cursor in the top right hand corner I have about 30 ltsp sessions running in the office with pxe bootup. So I don't want to upset another wise stable environment. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I think its a driver issue, I'm new to ltsp so struggling
15:34	<johnny> alkisg, look up how to provide global .desktop files, pretty sure that is feasible
15:35	being that everything shows up in the menus.. should be possible for desktops
15:35	<alkisg> johnny, I've found that for the menu system, but not for .esktop files...
15:35	<johnny> well everything in the menu system is a .desktop file :)
15:35	<alkisg> ehm, sorry, I meant not for the desktop
15:36	<johnny> alkisg, that'd be a job for sabayon.. too bad it has a few nasty bugs :(
15:36	one day i'll get to em
15:36	now that there are python bindings
15:36	for gio
15:36	<alkisg> johnny, no, I'd like to be able to insert/remove desktop icon at any time, not only when I prepare user accounts
15:37	<johnny> sure.. the profile can be modified on the fly
15:37	on login
15:37	rather
15:37	not on creation
15:37	on creation is /etc/skels
15:37	<alkisg> E.g. I start with a class, 1st hour I give them a shortcut to a directory, 2nd hour another shortcut to another directory
15:38	<johnny> sounds hacky
15:38	nothing is built already to do that
15:38	<alkisg> I could do it with a script, but I've organised the /home directories into subfolders based on groups, so it's a little difficult
15:38	But how is an icon displayed to everyone when I mount a hard drive?
15:39	<johnny> magic
15:39	automounting
15:39	detection via udev
15:39	<alkisg> E.g. if I could "mount" a folder, it would be fine for me
15:39	<johnny> you can mount a folder
15:39	bind mounting
15:39	i don't know if the automount magic would detect it tho
15:39	<alkisg> Really? uh... I'd better "man mount" then!!! Let me see...
15:40	<johnny> mount /src /target -o bind
15:41	imo it'd be easier to just make em click in the menu, since that already refreshes on the fly
15:41	just provide a category
15:41	make one up
15:42	so it doesn't get shoved under an existing category
15:42	<alkisg> It's a lesson for total linux newbies, so for step #1 I'd like them to see the directory on the desktop...
15:42	<johnny> linux newbies can click on the menu
15:42	<alkisg> mount works OK, but automagic doesn't happen
15:42	<johnny> i have random people come in my shop all the time
15:42	never used linux in their life
15:42	they know how to find the web browser
15:43	i'ts like 1 in a 100 that asks
15:43	<alkisg> You're probably right... but just "seeing" it makes teacher-instructions unnecessary...
15:43	seeing = the icon on the desktop
15:43	<johnny> lol.. put the instructiosn on the desktop background
15:43	<alkisg> Well, I guess I'll have to settle for a menu then! :)
15:43	<johnny> alkisg, there might be another way
15:43	<alkisg> heh! good one!
15:43	<johnny> ask the gnome people directlyu
15:44	irc.gnome.org #gnome
15:44	<alkisg> This automagic is gnome, not ltsp?
15:44	<johnny> oyes
15:44	yes*
15:44	<alkisg> I thought (because all users see it) it was an ltsp script...
15:44	<johnny> no.. that's only for locally connected drives
15:44	server drives still show up due to gnome itself
15:45	<alkisg> Ehm.... it shows that I'm inexperienced to linux! :)
15:45	Thanks johnny!
15:45	<johnny> alkisg, not necessarily true.. i'm still working it out :)
15:45	6 years later
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15:45	<alkisg> Well, I'm on 6 months, after 16 years of ...the beast
15:45	<johnny> i was using windows for 5 years
15:45	1997-2002
15:46	been linux exclusively since
15:46	<alkisg> It's difficult for me, even to say "directory" instead of "folder", because I've been either using or programming on windows 15 hours a day for 16 years... Such a waste! :(
15:46	<johnny> my gf has been using linux nearly exclusively
15:46	since 2 years
15:46	she has to boot into windows for one of her work apps.. one day she'll buy some ram
15:47	and run it in virtualbox..
15:47	stuff has gotten tons easier.. network printing (on the client side) has become much easier
15:47	cups still sucks tho
15:47	<alkisg> I've installed Linux on my wife's PC... she didn't like it at first, now (2 months later) she's ok...
15:47	<johnny> she was all excited about printing wirelessly
15:48	now i just need to make the scanner work remotely..
15:48	triggerable remotely that is..
15:48	<alkisg> this may be difficult... E.g. on windows some scanners don't support that
15:48	But I guess linux may make it, it's much more customizable
15:49	<johnny> oh.. i know i can do it
15:49	even with just ssh
15:49	create an account on the box hooked up to the scanner
15:49	.desktop shortcut to trigger sane
15:49	ssh sanewhatever
15:49	<alkisg> yes, but she should be able to save the picture locally, maybe she'll get confused with remote execution of sane...
15:50	<johnny> sshfs to the folder where sane drops it ...
15:50	<alkisg> (you mean ssh -X, right?)
15:50	<johnny> :)
15:50	no..
15:50	<alkisg> oh, ok!
15:50	I'm guessing there should be an easier way! :)
15:50	<johnny> hell.. the folder could even be auto discoverable with zeroconf
15:50	in network browse
15:50	feasibly.
15:51	sftp is exposed over zeroconf
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15:51	<johnny> jut need a way to force the path
15:51	err preset the path
15:51	<alkisg> uh, you lost me somewhere there, but I get the point
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15:52	<johnny> alkisg, well you'd find it easy with remote printing in general, it doesn't require smb for browsing :)
15:52	you can do it with avahi/zeroconf
15:52	<Guevara> hi everibody
15:52	hi johnny
15:52	<johnny> warren, which apps go where again for localapps ? i got confused somewhere along the line
15:52	<alkisg> johnny, well, I've a router with a small print server, so no print sharing yet..
15:52	<johnny> aha.. sucky router.. with no browsing probably
15:53	* johnny wondes if avahi can be compiled under uclibc..
15:53	<Guevara> my configuration in the lst.conf not work :-(
15:53	<alkisg> yes, different installations for each os, and it hangs if we both print simultaneously...
15:53	<johnny> Guevara, you could provide a custom xorg.comf
15:53	conf*
15:53	for testing at least
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15:54	<johnny> Guevara, get some linux live cd that generates a good xorg.conf
15:54	for your client
15:54	and then copy that xorg.conf to your ltsp server
15:54	and put it in /opt/ltsp/i386
15:54	<Guevara> but where i put this configuration?
15:54	ahhh
15:54	<johnny> and then use X_CONF=yournewfile in lts.conf
15:55	<Guevara> but, why the lst not work with my configuration?
15:55	lts.conf*
15:55	<johnny> good question..
15:55	probably bad detection or something
15:56	not sure ..
15:56	thus this exercise
15:56	then you can compare the xorg.conf you get from ltsp
15:56	<Guevara> i install sabayon and works perfectly
15:56	<johnny> to the one you get from the livecd
15:56	Guevara, try adding an item to the top panel.. it won't work perfectly then
15:56	known bug
15:57	<Guevara> bug?
15:57	=/
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15:59	<Guevara> sabayon can't modify the resolution of the screen of the client
15:59	just block itens
16:00	<johnny> that's what i told you
16:00	the problem you are having is at the x level
16:01	before gnome even loads up
16:01	<Guevara> and what i do?
16:01	<johnny> if you can't force the resolution in lts.conf
16:01	ie: it doesn't work
16:01	which i thought you said you tried
16:01	then you do what i mentioned earlier
16:01	generate a better xorg.conf from a linux livecd
16:01	and use that
16:01	or compare it to the one generated by ltsp
16:01	<_UsUrPeR_> night guys
16:01	<Guevara> but the system reed this file?
16:02	<johnny> see where it is going wrong
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16:02	<Guevara> how i see the xorg of the client?
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16:04	<johnny> set SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
16:04	and then ctrl + alt + f2 to get to it
16:04	on the client
16:04	after rebooting
16:05	and look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:05	<Guevara> ok
16:05	=/
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16:06	<johnny> i have to leave in a few.. an event is starting
16:06	that i have to setup the projector for
16:07	sbalneav, tell me please :)
16:07	so i can update my ebuilds :)
16:07	<Guevara> thanks johnny
16:08	<sbalneav> tell you what?
16:08	<johnny> sbalneav, which app goes on the server and the clients
16:08	for localapps
16:08	according to the new naming scheme
16:09	<sbalneav> Well, I haven't followed any naming scheme changes, lately, so I don't know.
16:09	<johnny> well.. according to the old ways..
16:09	<sbalneav> I've been looking at docs for the last week.
16:09	<johnny> what would it be
16:09	xrexecd , xrexecd.sh, xatomwait
16:10	<sbalneav> Well, the xatomwait goes on the client
16:10	as well as xrexecd.sh
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16:15	<vagrantc> xrexec* renamed to ltsp-localapps* and the .sh was dropped.
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17:56	<sbalneav> vagrantc: Hey, still around?
18:11	<stgraber> hey scotty !!!
18:13	<vagrantc> sbalneav: heya
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18:23	<sbalneav> vagrantc: Hey! Have you heard anything more from the winnipeg freegeekers?
18:26	<vagrantc> sbalneav: we seemed to get two people interested in the same week. haven't really heard much back... which isn't so uncommon.
18:26	sbalneav: that's why i tryed to get you involved :)
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18:29	<sbalneav> OK, thanks, keep me posted. I haven't got enough time to spearhead anythingm, but I'd love to be heavily involved here if something does start up
18:39	<vagrantc> sbalneav: yeah, i'll keep you posted.
18:39	sbalneav: feel free to drop in #freegeek if you care to lurk :)
18:40	<sbalneav> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IGS9qY7xko
18:40	Best game I ever played.
18:40	Man, I love portal
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19:45	<suprememind> hi all
19:46	i want to buy some thin clients
19:46	i have US$10000
19:46	nobody?
19:47	ok, then bye
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19:57	<suprememind> if nobody wants to earn some bucks, ill go but ill be back at monday
19:57	bye
19:57	ha
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