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Channel log from 19 July 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:54 | <mil132> I am haveing a problem where the thin client loads, and comes up with the login screen, I try to login, but it goes back to the login screen after a bit
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| 01:02 | <alkisg> mil132: grep sshd /var/log/auth.log ==> do you see any failed login attempts?
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| 01:03 | (or succeeded?)
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| 01:03 | <mil132> My vm is not working any more, so I have to start fresh
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| 01:03 | its not my day
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| 01:11 | <muppis> Don't worry, it's just monday..
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| 01:13 | <mil132> still sunday where I am
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| 01:14 | quick question, is it better to use edubutnu or just a vanilla 10.04 desktop install?
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| 01:14 | <muppis> mil132, 09:15am monday here.
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| 01:16 | <mil132> helsinki, i bet
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| 01:19 | <alkisg> or greece :D
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| 01:19 | <muppis> mil132, almost. Sastamala, as whole Finland is in same time zone and only Helsinki is mentioned in lists because it is capital city.
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| 01:20 | <mil132> anyone prefer ubuntu desktop over edubutnu or the other way around?
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| 01:20 | <alkisg> mil132: edubuntu also offers live ltsp (right off the live dvd), but more people here are familiar with the vanilla ubuntu 10.04 installation
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| 01:20 | <mil132> hmm...
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| 01:21 | <alkisg> So if you think you'll be needing more feedback, maybe the vanilla one - on the other hand, if you're going to install kdeedu etc, maybe edubuntu will save you time
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| 01:22 | <mil132> actualy this is for a building and their staff, (maint, security....) so I will not need any of the EDU stuff, but I dont know if one is better for ltsp
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| 01:23 | <alkisg> No they're the same, so go for vanilla if you don't need anything edu* related
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| 01:23 | (i.e. the alternate ubuntu cd)
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| 01:23 | <mil132> alternate?
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| 01:23 | i tried that and hit the f4
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| 01:23 | <alkisg> Yes, it's recommented over the desktop one
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| 01:23 | <mil132> no option to install ltsp
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| 01:23 | <alkisg> Woah, really?
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| 01:23 | <mil132> yea
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| 01:23 | 10.04
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| 01:24 | should I go for an earlyer release
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| 01:24 | <alkisg> Well... apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone it is, then :D
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| 01:24 | No no
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| 01:24 | <mil132> minus the dhcp server ;)
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| 01:24 | <alkisg> ltsp-server then :D
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| 01:24 | <mil132> cool
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| 01:24 | * alkisg didn't realize there was such a big bug in 10.04... | |
| 01:25 | <mil132> lol
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| 01:25 | well, it was in the alternate cd boot menu for ealryer releases, but not 10.04 apparently
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| 01:26 | <alkisg> mil132: it is, I just tried it
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| 01:26 | <mil132> wtf
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| 01:27 | can you send me a link to where you got the iso
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| 01:27 | <alkisg> Sure...
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| 01:27 | Or better yet, and md5sum...
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| 01:27 | <mil132> ???
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| 01:27 | well
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| 01:27 | ok
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| 01:27 | lets see if it is diff
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| 01:28 | <alkisg> $ md5sum ubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso
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| 01:28 | 5b2dadacfd692b4f2d5c7cf034539262 ubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso
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| 01:28 | I got it from a near server at ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/mirror/ubuntu-releases/10.04/
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| 01:28 | ...but it's supposed to be the same wherever you get it
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| 01:29 | <mil132> I am computeing now
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| 01:29 | <alkisg> The alternate cd is recommented because it doesn't need an internet connection to install the chroot, so it's much faster.
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| 01:30 | <mil132> 5b2dadacfd692b4f2d5c7cf034539262
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| 01:30 | wtf
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| 01:30 | ok
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| 01:30 | I am just a bumbleing idiot
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| 01:32 | gigabit makes this so much more easy
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| 01:34 | once I select "install an LSTP Server" is it supposed to load into an installer
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| 01:35 | <alkisg> Yes, it's using the usual debian-installer and will just have some extra steps there for ltsp
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| 01:36 | <mil132> cool, I think its installing, just had to select "install ubuntu)
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| 01:42 | here is an out there question, is there any compatbility with smart card readers?
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| 01:47 | <muppis> mil132, mPollux should be the keyword to start looking at.
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| 01:51 | <mil132> cool, thanks
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| 08:57 | <EDinNY> Is Jim on vacation or did he stop coming here?
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| 08:58 | Anyone going to be at LinuxCon in Boston next month?
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| 14:26 | <talntid> Hi all. I have a LTSP environment, and would like someone to assist me with moving FireFox & Flash to the actual clients, as opposed to server side. Any takers? I can pay for your services. :)
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| 14:27 | If you come in late and want to email me about this, eric@spokanepcrepair.com
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| 14:27 | <muppis> What distro you're using?
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| 14:37 | <talntid> Ubuntu
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| 14:38 | <muppis> talntid, then you should look up Ubuntu LTSP Wiki. There's HowTo for that.
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| 14:39 | <talntid> I understand, but the problem is..
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| 14:39 | I am using a AMD64 server, and i386 clients
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| 14:39 | which seems to make it harder. the HowTo is for i386/i386
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| 14:40 | <muppis> ltsp-update-image --arch i386 is the command.
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| 14:41 | <Lns> talntid: shouldn't be too much of a difference, you just need to battle with Adobe Flash. 32-bit browser would work fine in your chroot.
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| 14:41 | <talntid> right, I have that - but you have to install the localapp on the server first, and it installs 64bit stuff instead of 32
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| 14:41 | not sure if that makes sense
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| 14:42 | <Lns> talntid: you would enter your i386 chroot and install the browser there, which would be 32-bit/i386.
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| 14:42 | <talntid> hmm, i shall try. the tutorial here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup seems a LOT easier than the one i read before... maybe things changed a bit?
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| 14:43 | actually, the one I looked at before is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsFirefox
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| 14:43 | <talntid> i'll try again and report back
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| 14:45 | <muppis> talntid, I've do with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 14:45 | With sam kind of enviroment as yours.
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| 14:45 | same..
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| 14:46 | <talntid> trying it now :)
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| 14:47 | currently in production environment. hehe
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| 14:47 | you are using 64bit server, i386 clients?
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| 14:47 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 14:47 | <talntid> perfect
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| 14:47 | firefox is killing my server. 4.8 of 5gb ram is used. mostly on firefox
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| 14:48 | hopefully this should lessen the load
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| 14:49 | <Lns> talntid: how many terminals total?
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| 14:49 | <talntid> 22
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| 14:49 | <Lns> whats your distro/version?
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| 14:50 | <talntid> ubuntu 8.04
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| 14:50 | it's in a Xen virtual machine
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| 14:50 | has been for... 2 years
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| 14:50 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:51 | well yeah, if all 22 are in Firefox with bloaty webpages 4.8GB is "sort of" about par
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| 14:52 | <talntid> yeah
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| 14:52 | sometimes it freezes, most of the time it's fine
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| 14:55 | currently installing firefox in the chroot
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| 14:55 | and gnash
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| 14:56 | <Lns> good luck with gnash :)
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| 14:56 | it's a fantastic project worth supporting, but not really ready for prime-time imho
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| 14:56 | <talntid> it couldn't find flashplayer-plugin
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| 14:56 | <muppis> I agree.
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| 14:57 | <talntid> so i'll install that in a bit too, manually. i'll find the right repos
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| 14:57 | <Lns> talntid: it's called 'flashplugin-nonfree'
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| 14:57 | <talntid> ahh
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| 14:57 | <Lns> :)
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| 14:57 | <talntid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox called it flashplayer-installer
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| 14:58 | E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-nonfree
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| 14:58 | <Lns> talntid: look more carefully ;)
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| 14:58 | <talntid> doh
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| 14:58 | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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| 14:58 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
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| 14:58 | is only available from another source
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| 14:58 | E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
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| 14:58 | see? it hates me ;)
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| 14:59 | <Lns> talntid: have you edited/copied your sources.list ?
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| 14:59 | it's probably not in the main repos
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| 14:59 | <muppis> Multiverse
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| 14:59 | <Lns> muppis: ty
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| 15:00 | * Lns is off to the computer store | |
| 15:00 | <talntid> my computer store? =D
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| 15:00 | <Lns> ;)
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| 15:00 | <talntid> 2904 E Francis, Spokane WA - see ya soon!
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| 15:01 | <Lns> Yeah I'm just about 1k miles South of you in Santa Rosa, CA
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| 15:01 | I'll be there in 3 days =p
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| 15:01 | <talntid> oh, that's nothing a fighter jet can't cover in minutes
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| 15:01 | <muppis> About 8h to get in the country..
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| 15:02 | <Lns> hey, if you're supplying the jet i'd be happy to board it. ;)
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| 15:02 | * Lns is really off now | |
| 15:02 | <talntid> http://pastebin.com/un59mBGE
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| 15:02 | sources
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| 15:03 | Lns, i'll supply the jet, but I should warn you, it's remote controlled.... by monkeys.. it's an experiment. when can we pick you up? :)
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| 15:05 | muppis, did you see any issue with my sources.list?
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| 15:06 | <muppis> talntid, not directly. Solving and looking up things.
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| 15:07 | <talntid> roger that
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| 15:07 | <muppis> flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+really9.0.277.0ubuntu1) [multiverse] [security] -- This should fit for you.
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| 15:08 | <muppis> Does apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree say anything?
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| 15:12 | <talntid> http://pastebin.com/jpfyD21T
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| 15:13 | <muppis> Looks good.
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| 15:14 | But doesn't install it in chroot?
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> hardy security updates should have 10.1
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| 15:15 | <talntid> crap. my bad.
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| 15:15 | i had exited the chroot
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| 15:15 | it shows nothing
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| 15:15 | <muppis> It's ok.
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| 15:15 | <talntid> aand the sources.list only had 2 lines
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| 15:15 | universe
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| 15:16 | <muppis> so, you might got it now?
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| 15:16 | <talntid> i'll clone the sources.list from the server :)
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| 15:17 | now i feel silly.
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| 15:17 | <muppis> Happens to me every day.
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| 15:19 | But now I gotta get some sleep.
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| 15:22 | <talntid> thanks!
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| 15:34 | <Blinny> How can I ltsp-build-client --dist lucid on my Hardy server if /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/lucid doesn't exist?
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> Blinny, why don't you copy the chroot from the edubuntu live dvd?
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| 15:35 | It'll be much easier... or you could use the alternate cd, install to a spare PC, and copy that instead.
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> Blinny: also, it'll be much easier to just try with a newer kernel, instead of a lucid chroot
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| 15:36 | <Blinny> alkisg: Such as, boot from live dvd, cp -R /* /opt/ltsp/i386/ ?
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> If a newer kernel fixes your problem, then there's no need to change the chroot
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> Something like that - there's only the i386.img there (or amd64.img) so it needs to be uncompressed too.
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| 15:37 | <Blinny> Well I was shooting for the chroot because not only do the boots crap 80% of the time, but this board doesn't work with the intel xserver either - defaults back to vesa.
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> A kernel issue again
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| 15:38 | So I'd just try a newer kernel for starters.
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| 15:39 | Try downloading the lucid kernel and installing it to the chroot.
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| 15:39 | <Blinny> How'd I do that? chroot /opt/ltsp/i386, then update sources.list, then update & install linux-image-generic?
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> You can either add some ppa or install the .deb manually
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| 15:40 | <Blinny> Do you think update-kernels will find that new kernel?
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| 15:42 | Also, I don't see -modules. I'm looking here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.33.5-lucid/
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> No don't use that ppa, there's no need
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| 15:42 | Get the lucid package instead
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| 15:43 | packages.ubuntu.com ...etc
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| 15:43 | ltsp-update-kernels just copies the chroot/boot directory to tftp, so yup, it'll get that new kernel
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| 15:44 | <Blinny> OK, thank you. I'll have at it.
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| 15:48 | I'm seeing it needs to update libc6 to do the install. I can recall from my kernel compiling days that this could be A Big Deal.
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Hmmm no clues there. OK, if that doesn't work try the "installing lucid with the alternate cd in a vbox and copying the chroot" method instead.
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| 15:52 | (I've installed newer kernels but they never asked for a libc6 upgrade)
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| 15:53 | <Blinny> Fun.
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| 15:54 | <talntid> hen setting up to run localapps, i followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 15:54 | i dont see a localapps menu, and firefox doesnt appear to be running locally. ideas?
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 15:55 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> talntid: does that work? ^^^
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| 15:55 | <talntid> checking
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| 15:56 | command not found
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> ? which command?
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| 15:56 | <talntid> ltsp-localapps
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> Which distro/version is that?
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| 15:57 | <talntid> ubunto 8.04 hardy
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Ah, forget about it
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| 15:57 | <talntid> oh? :(
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> It doesn't have good support for localapps
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| 15:57 | Hmmm let me see the ppa..
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| 15:57 | !stgraber-ppa
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| 15:57 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" :: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 15:57 | <Blinny> Did they ditch the separate -modules package for lucid?
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> talntid: that ppa has 5.1.88-0ubuntu1~ppa1~hardy1 - which one do you have currently? 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu7 ?
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| 15:59 | <talntid> i do not know how to tell
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> dpkg -l ltsp-server
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| 16:00 | <talntid> dpkg -l ltsp-server
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| 16:00 | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
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| 16:00 | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
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| 16:00 | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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| 16:00 | ||/ Name Version Description
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| 16:00 | +++-=================-=================-==================================================
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| 16:00 | ii ltsp-server 5.1.29-0ubuntu3 Basic LTSP server environment
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| 16:00 | err sorry for spam paste
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> talntid: do you have a "localapps" command?
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| 16:02 | <talntid> no
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| 16:02 | command not found
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> Urm... anyway
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| 16:03 | I think that to use localapps you should put that ppa to your sources
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| 16:03 | How much RAM do your clients have?
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| 16:03 | <talntid> 512
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| 16:03 | 800mhz, 512 ram
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Firefox won't be very fast with that. Workable, but maybe slower than it is now.
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| 16:04 | <talntid> flash is killing my server current;y
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=true ?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 16:04 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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| 16:04 | <talntid> no, i don't
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| 16:04 | i will add it
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| 16:05 | flash performance, i don't care about. but it is taking up most of the server resources
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> It's a speed vs security setting
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| 16:05 | <talntid> added it
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> With LDM_DIRECTX=true sshd isn't using all the server cpu, but if anyone is sniffing on the network he can intercept keystrokes etc
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| 16:06 | <talntid> that'as ok
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| 16:06 | in order for that to take effect, i just restart all the clients, correct?
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Try rebooting a client and running flash, it should be much better.
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| 16:06 | Yes
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| 16:06 | <talntid> roger that. checking
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> ...in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, with the following contents:
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| 16:07 | [Default]
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| 16:07 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 16:07 | <talntid> yep, added it
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| 16:07 | rebooting
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| 16:56 | <talntid> got slightly faster
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| 16:56 | but now, i'm going to figure out how to upgrade it to 10.04 :)
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| 16:56 | from 8.04
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| 16:57 | normally, easy. but this is in a virtualized environment
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| 17:00 | <Lns> talntid: shouldn't be too big of a problem
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| 17:00 | <talntid> care to lend a second set of eyes? :)
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> (12:56:39 πμ) talntid: got slightly faster ==> that shouldn't be the case
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| 17:19 | It should be something like, with LDM_DIRECTX=100% cpu and 2 fps, without it = 10% cpu and 20 fps
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| 17:20 | I.e. more than 1000% performance boost
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| 17:21 | <talntid> I don't know how to measure the FPS on it
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| 17:21 | I could use glxgears I suppose? :)
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> Not really, it's difficult to have remote 3d acceleration
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| 17:23 | But with a simple `top` on the server you should be seeing a great difference on cpu usage
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> I.e. before == e.g. 20% cpu per client for sshd, after == no sshd cpu usage at all
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| 17:27 | <mil132> I am haveing an issue where I try to login from the thin clients, it looks like its logging in, but then goes back to the login screen, any ideas?
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 17:27 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> mil132: that's a common cause for the symptom you're describing...
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| 17:27 | <mil132> cool, thanks!
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| 17:28 | do I drop that whole line into the term on server
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 17:28 | <mil132> whoa
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| 17:31 | i do ltsp-update-client now right?
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| 17:32 | or is that not nessesary
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> No, just a logoff on the thin client
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| 17:32 | (and logon thereafter)
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| 17:32 | <mil132> ok
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| 17:32 | let me give it a try
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| 17:36 | no joy
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| 17:36 | briefly gave me a desktop image but then back to the login screen
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> OK, check ~/.xsession-errors for that user
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| 17:37 | !restore_compiz
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| 17:37 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "restore_compiz" :: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> (and if you want, restore compiz when you're done debugging this)
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| 17:41 | <mil132> what should I be looking for in the xsession-errors file?
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> The last lines there, any possible errors...
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| 17:42 | If it doesn't have anything sensitive, you may pastebin it as well
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| 17:42 | <mil132> there seems to be a lot of errors
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| 17:48 | here is the error... http://123.writeboard.com/d78347befbd486781
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| 17:48 | if it asks for a pass it is 12345
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 17:50 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 17:51 | <mil132> cool, just did it
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> OK - sorry gotta go, it's too late here, hopefully some other may be able to help. Good night all...
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