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Channel log from 19 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: more boolean fixes for mainline ...
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| 00:18 | ogra: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/features/vagrant-ltsp-boolean
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| 02:35 | <erdinc> hi all
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| 03:32 | <troels> Has any of you gotten ALSA to work in LTSP ??
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| 04:06 | <madcore> so silence...
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| 04:31 | <tsurc> Buzzy working on getting sound to work on some wyse winterms;)
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| 04:31 | so in the same boat
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| 05:23 | <rabenkind> Hello, does some know if a ppc-port is available, on the client side? Any hint or link? Thanks
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| 05:29 | s/some/someone/
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| 05:33 | <ogra> you need a ppc client with CDrom to set it up, but it works in ltsp5 in ubuntu
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| 05:33 | (if you have an i386 server i mean)
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| 05:35 | <rabenkind> Yes server is i386, but no CDRom on the clientside. It is IBM 8362-A22.
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| 05:36 | <ogra> you need at least any kind of ppc to set it up ...
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| 05:37 | (with CDRom)
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| 05:38 | there is a tgz of a ppc root for 4.2 anywhere, search the wiki
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| 05:38 | <rabenkind> Yeah but the link is dead.
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| 05:39 | <ogra> and apart from that, cliebow is the guy who uses ppc a lot, wait until he's around (US time)
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| 05:39 | <cliebow> rabrnkind:build /opt/ltsp/ppc with an ibook
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| 05:39 | <ogra> he can probably point you in the right direction
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| 05:39 | <cliebow> or somethiing
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| 05:39 | <ogra> cliebow, why are you up ? it must be horribly early at your place
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| 05:41 | <rabenkind> Okay. I want to build it in a crosscompilation toolchain. Or maybe on a RS6000. Thanks for help.
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| 05:42 | <ogra> if you use ltsp5 there is no need to compile anything
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| 05:42 | if you can set up a chroot in a vm that will suffice as well ... all you need is a cpu or a cpu emulation that can use the ppc binaries
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| 05:43 | <rabenkind> Server is running ltsp-4.2. Ok the latter is worth to give it a chance.
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| 05:43 | <ogra> doesnt your rs6000 have a cd ?
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| 05:44 | <rabenkind> the rs has a cd.
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| 05:45 | <ogra> cool, get a ubuntu liveCD and boot it .... install ltsp-server on the i386 server and in your ppc liveCD session ... mount /opt/ltsp from the server and run ltsp-build-client on the ppc ... thats it ...
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| 05:55 | <cliebow> ogra:i have a tarball for 4.1
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| 05:55 | its 6 am
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| 05:55 | almost 7
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| 05:56 | <ogra> as i said, horribly early :)
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| 05:56 | <rabenkind> That sounds easy, thanks.
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| 05:56 | <cliebow> 8~)..wife is headed for work already
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| 05:56 | <ogra> i have to make that ltsp5 tarball for ppc one day... we only have an i386 one
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| 05:57 | <cliebow> that would be neat..i need to try it on a g4..but all i ever see is wrecked ones..
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| 05:58 | <ogra> its two releases ago that i tested ppc last....
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| 05:58 | nad giv the fact that canonical is moving away from ppc support it wont improve
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| 05:58 | *and given ...
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| 05:59 | (i have to do ppc in my spare time now)
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| 05:59 | <cliebow> i have 4.1 for ppc on my lappie...bil-c was woreking on 4.2 but he is hard to get hold of these days
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| 05:59 | <ogra> well, the ltsp5 install is easy enough, but forces you to use the liveCD on the client
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| 06:00 | <sep> ogra, i rebuilt ltsp-manager on etch. i assumed the tool should write a lts.conf file. but i didnt manage to make that happen. are there some prerequisites i should have ?
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| 06:00 | <ogra> sep, nope, its only a code preview, it doesnt write anything
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| 06:00 | <sep> ogra, aahh
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| 06:00 | <cliebow> how do you mean live cd? to create the chroot?
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| 06:00 | <sep> exaplains it :)
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| 06:00 | looks nice tho :) usable for a nongeek
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| 06:01 | <ogra> (i think its written in the package description, not sure)
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| 06:01 | i'm just throwing it away in favor of writing python-ltsp
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| 06:02 | <cliebow> ogra:what about live cd?
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| 06:02 | <ogra> sep, i'm planning the first upload of python-ltsp to ubuntu for tonight ... it will make writing admin frontends a breeze
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| 06:02 | <cliebow> you need the tgz off live cd to build chroot?
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| 06:03 | <ogra> cliebow, yes, to create the chroot ...
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| 06:03 | no
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| 06:04 | but ltsp-build-client runs apt and apt needs the arch it was built for ... i cant run apt for i386 on a ppc system
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| 06:04 | so you need to boot a live system, install ltsp-server (to get ltsp-build-client) and run it with the /opt/ltsp dir mounted rw from the server
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| 06:06 | i always wanted to write a qemu mode for it so you dont need the client ... but its a lot of work
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| 06:07 | and qemu isnt really fast ...
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| 06:08 | <sep> ogra, kqemu modules entered etch now. make a _world_ of a difference
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| 06:08 | <ogra> how did they enter etch ? they are not free ... or did the license change ?
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| 06:09 | <sep> Section: non-free
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| 06:09 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 06:10 | sadly no option for ubuntu ...
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| 06:10 | <ogra> i can only use stuff from main for development ...
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| 06:10 | <ogra> i can only use stuff from main for development ...
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| 06:10 | (or restricted for binary stuff thats redistributable)
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| 06:11 | <sep> yes licences are a pain
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| 06:11 | <ogra> what about the rumours that ltsp will be dropped from etch ? did avgrant get the RC bug sorted ?
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| 06:11 | *vagrant
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| 06:12 | <sep> he have the packages they just need uploading
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| 06:12 | <ogra> well, the 8 days are over, arent they ?
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| 06:13 | i have enough DDs in ubuntu i could ask to do a NMU for him ... he knows that
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| 06:14 | <sep> i know he have coresponded with dd's abotu a upload im not certain what's the holdup
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| 06:15 | <ogra> would be odd if it were not in etch
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| 06:16 | <sep> yeah
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| 06:17 | <cliebow> ogra:the edgy llllive cd right?
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| 06:18 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:18 | cliebow, you should always use the same version on both arches for that
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| 06:18 | >>> import dhcp_parser
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| 06:18 | >>> print dhcp_parser.ltsp_dhcpd_conf()
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| 06:18 | [('range_from', '192.168.0.20'), ('range_to', '192.168.0.250'), ('domain-name', 'example.com'), ('domain-name-servers', '192.168.0.1'),
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| 06:18 | :D
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| 06:19 | <cliebow> one more ?..i can run an ibook off linux dhcp or bondi..any g3/4..i can run a bondi using windows dhcp..but damned if i can get an ibook to tftp using windows dhcp with the same params i use on linux
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| 06:19 | ogra:yes i see whaat you are saying'
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| 06:19 | <ogra> >>> import ltsp_status
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| 06:19 | >>> print ltsp_status.tftp()
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| 06:19 | True
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| 06:19 | :D
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| 06:20 | cliebow, i have no clue about windows dhcp ... i didnt even see a win dhcp server from far ...
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| 06:20 | i know that this one works fine:
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| 06:20 | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
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| 06:21 | <arc_> that module name doesn't follow python guidelines
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| 06:21 | ltsp.status
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| 06:21 | :P
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| 06:21 | <ogra> arc_, how would you call it ?
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| 06:21 | hmm
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| 06:21 | well
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| 06:21 | it should be ltsp.ltsp_status
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| 06:21 | <arc_> underscore is ok for functions
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| 06:22 | <ogra> but that might be redundant ....
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| 06:22 | <arc_> it's
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| 06:22 | <ogra> i was just fearing some other module might use status() as a plain function
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| 06:22 | <arc_> that's why you need ltsp.
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| 06:22 | <ogra> so that would break if you do: from ltsp import *
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| 06:23 | <arc_> programmers should take care of that
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| 06:23 | but not only for ltsp
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| 06:23 | for any module they import using *
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| 06:23 | <cliebow> thanks ogra..snow day here so maybe i can make it happen..i see nothing in yours oi havnt already tried though
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| 06:23 | <ogra> well, i am a programmer :) and try to take care for it through the namespace
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| 06:23 | <arc_> ogra: you don't need to follow conventions if you don't want :)
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| 06:24 | <ogra> i do
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| 06:24 | else our archive admins wont let my package through ;)
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| 06:25 | <arc_> ogra: underscore is the php way to substitute the dot, but php doesn't have namespaces
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| 06:26 | <ogra> well, i currently dont have a module ready, i load from ./ ... the real module will be under ltsp/ in site-packages ...
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| 06:26 | <arc_> :)
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| 06:27 | <ogra> so you will have to prefix with ltsp
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| 06:27 | <arc_> nice
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| 06:27 | <ogra> but that wont solve the submodule issue with the namespace
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| 06:27 | <arc_> but please, avoid ltsp_status
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| 06:27 | do you see gtk.gtk_main or gtk.main?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> having only status as module name should be fine though ...
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| 06:28 | but then i need to prefix the functions to avoid clashes with from blah import *
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| 06:29 | (if you will develop an ltsp admin frntend you will very likely just do: from ltsp import * ... since you want all the functions ...
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| 06:29 | )
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| 06:32 | <arc_> ogra: if you want all the functions, then you don't mind if another status function is out there
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| 06:32 | ogra: that's how import * is intended to be
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| 06:33 | <ogra> well, i might also want the status function from the foo module ... if i'm silly enough and do from foo import * as well, which status() function d i get ?
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| 06:33 | <arc_> ogra: that's the "client" responsability, yours is using ltsp namespace
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| 06:33 | ogra: the last you imported
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| 06:33 | <ogra> right ...
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| 06:52 | <sep> ogra, pere uploaded ltsp right now.
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| 06:52 | <ogra> sep, cool
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| 06:52 | <sep> (happy happy joy joy)
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| 06:52 | :)
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| 06:53 | <ogra> ah, yes, i see the mail now ...
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| 07:12 | <envite> Hola a todos desde España
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| 07:12 | Hello all from Spain
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| 07:14 | <arc_> canaries are not spain
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| 07:15 | <envite> arc_: Canary Islands ARE
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| 07:15 | * arc_ shakes his emepaya's flag X) | |
| 07:15 | <arc_> envite: just kidding
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| 07:16 | <envite> I know ;)
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| 07:16 | arc_: 've you readed what I wrote on Wiki about Sound on KDE?
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| 07:18 | <envite> Hello cliebow_
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| 07:18 | <arc_> envite: nope
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| 07:18 | envite: should I?
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| 07:20 | <envite> arc_: IF you use LTSP, KDE and sound on them... or if you want make me happy ;) yes, you should
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| 07:20 | <cliebow_> envite:Halloo
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| 08:14 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:15 | <cliebow_> jammcq:good mornings
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| 09:30 | <irule> hi Im on 4.2u2 and tried rdesktop but I found a gray screen with an X cursor, whats wrong?
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| 09:46 | <mhterres> hey guys
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| 09:46 | hi jammcq
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| 09:47 | Hey, I've got a problem, I think
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| 09:47 | with USB in LTSP
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| 09:47 | I can mount my pen drive in a thin client and can use it without no problems
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| 09:47 | but I need to access a win2k3 ts via rdesktop and use this pen drive inside the windows
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| 09:47 | any ideas ?
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| 09:52 | <sepski> mhterres, a usbpen on a thin client transfered to a remotedesktop.. i think that's pretty hopeless. unless you make your own scripts around a nbd solution
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| 09:53 | <ogra> or samba ...
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| 09:53 | <sepski> i think nbd is linux - windows capable
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| 09:53 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> I think there's a solution on 'man rdesktop'
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| 09:53 | <mhterres> hmmmmm
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| 09:53 | maybe samba, I think
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| 09:54 | <ogra> unless windows supports fuse you wont see a ltspfs based implementation
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| 09:54 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> -r disk:<sharename>=<path>,...
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| 09:56 | <mhterres> kaminski-ltsp-br, We need to mount the pen after the rdesktop is loaded
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| 09:56 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 09:56 | <mhterres> afternoon :-)
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| 09:58 | <efra> :)
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| 09:59 | * efra takes note "There are different timetables on differente places of the world" | |
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| 10:22 | <g333k_work> Hi, can I install ltsp 4.2 in ubuntu 6.10 without problems? I remember I had to make an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 first and install ltsp 4.2 afterwards
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| 10:48 | <cliebow_> 4.2 should be pretty much agnostic..til you get to localdevs anyway
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| 12:05 | <dan__t> What do you guys run as your servers?
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| 12:05 | This celeron 2.0 w/1G RAM just isn't cutting it.
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| 12:11 | <pscheie> dan__t: how many clients?
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| 12:12 | <dan__t> hm, 15
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| 12:12 | Running gnome.
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| 12:12 | <pscheie> a celeron is good for only five, maybe six clients
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| 12:12 | <dan__t> I'm having bottleneck issues. Load average on the server can get very high - 50-70 - so I think I can limit it to the processor itself.
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| 12:12 | Yeah, that's what I'm finding :)
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| 12:13 | I've never done this before. Still a learning experience.
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| 12:13 | <ogra> 1Gig with gnome ?
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| 12:13 | <pscheie> after that, the smaller cache, fewer transistors, smaller pipelines, buses to memory and cache, etc. all take their toll
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| 12:13 | <ogra> gnome 1.x i hope
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| 12:14 | <pscheie> you could try xfce or icewm to lessen the load, but I think your server will still struggle
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| 12:14 | <ogra> a decent gnome 2.x needs about 128M per running client
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| 12:14 | s/client/session/
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| 12:15 | <dan__t> ok.
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| 12:15 | <pscheie> considering a celeron with 1GB RAM costs ~$350 and an Athlon64 X2 costs <$600, I'd go for the Athlon, no question
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| 12:16 | <dan__t> haha yeah.
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| 12:16 | I'm pricing out some specs right now.
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| 12:16 | Trying to find the price break for decent Intel chips right now.
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| 12:16 | I've been out of the game for quite a while, I must admit :(
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| 12:18 | <pscheie> HP ProLiant a1600n, Athlon 64 X2 3800 w/1GB RAM, SATA disk = $565 at Best Buy
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| 12:19 | has four memory sockets, only two of which are in use, so adding another gig means just buying the memory sticks and putting them in
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| 12:19 | prolly another $150 or so, less if you hunt for it.
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| 12:20 | <dan__t> Alright, that's a good one.
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| 12:20 | Anyone have issues with a 64bit server supporting 32bit clients?
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| 12:20 | Anything like that?
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| 12:20 | <pscheie> I'd stick with 32-bit for now, too many application problems with 64 bit
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| 12:21 | <ogra> works fine, but remember that the desktop runs on the server
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| 12:21 | no flash ....
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| 12:21 | <dan__t> I understand.
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| 12:21 | That's what I'm thinking, pscheie.
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| 12:21 | <pscheie> 64 bit is useful currently only if you must go past 4GB ram in the server
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| 12:21 | and if you do, I'd suggest getting a second box
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| 12:21 | rather than trying to put that many eggs in one basket
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| 12:22 | <dan__t> Noted.
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| 12:23 | Another thing is, I'm trying to find a local supplier.
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| 12:23 | So I'm trying to get an idea of what's out there, what I want, so I can go pick it up and build the machine here at work.
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| 12:23 | <pscheie> where are you?
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| 12:23 | <dan__t> Phoenix.
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| 12:24 | There's essentially Fry's Electronics (outpost.com), and PC Club, where I can get hardware.
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| 12:24 | <pscheie> I'd suggest a dual core processor, since the cost over single core is pretty small nowadays
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| 12:25 | <dan__t> Looks like the price break is at the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz anyway.
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| 12:25 | <pscheie> Get SATA drive, they have somewhat better performance than the old (ribbon cable) parallel drives
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| 12:25 | <dan__t> That's the plan
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| 12:25 | heheh
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| 12:25 | <pscheie> I like AMD chips over Intels generally, although the Core 2 Duo is getting better reviews now
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| 12:25 | either is fine
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| 12:26 | Make sure you have a gig card for the client side.
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| 12:27 | <dan__t> hrm, I can't deliver that. The machines are very old.
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| 12:27 | <pscheie> Realtek-based cards are cheap, but they seem to tax the CPU more than an Intel card, so I'd say get the Intel if you can afford it
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| 12:27 | <dan__t> The network is 100MBit
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| 12:27 | I'm not looking for tantastic preformance.
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| 12:27 | Network does not appear to be the bottleneck.
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| 12:27 | <pscheie> clarification: gig card for the server; clients only need 100mb
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| 12:28 | And then get a switch which has 24 100mb ports and one or two gig ports
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| 12:28 | <dan__t> yeah.
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| 12:28 | <pscheie> plug the server's gig card into the gig port, plug clients into the 100mb ports
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| 12:29 | <dan__t> yeah.
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| 13:05 | <dan__t> Ok... Core 2 Duo E6600, Asus P5L-MX, Corsair DDR2 667
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| 13:06 | ~$520 w/o tax.
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| 13:06 | That'll work.
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| 13:06 | <pscheie> That sounds good
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| 13:19 | <dan__t> that'll work eh?
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| 13:19 | and 2x Seagate 80G SATAs
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| 13:20 | <jammcq> ogra: ping
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| 13:23 | <dan__t> How do you guys normally observe and troubleshoot network bottlenecks with LTSP?
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| 13:23 | Any special methods?
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| 13:24 | <ogra> jammcq, pong
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| 13:25 | <dan__t> iptraf was showing ~10.3MB/s when the card was negotiated at 100MBit FD
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| 13:26 | Guess a Celery 2.4 really just sucks that hard for this job haha
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> hey, i've got a guy I want to introduce to you. he's working on 'Pardus' linux and wants to integrate LTSP-5 into it
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| 13:26 | <dan__t> Because even with Gnome, 100MBit clients should have no problem with this Dore 2 Duo system w/2G RAM, right?
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> erdinc: say hello to ogra
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| 13:26 | <erdinc> hi ogra
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| 13:26 | <ogra> hey erdinc
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| 13:26 | nice to hear
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| 13:27 | <jammcq> he's in Turkey
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| 13:27 | (the country, not the bird)
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| 13:27 | <erdinc> :)
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| 13:27 | <pscheie> dan__t: right
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| 13:27 | <ogra> right
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| 13:27 | what's Pardus using for package management ?
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| 13:27 | <erdinc> pisi
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| 13:27 | let me give you more details
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| 13:28 | http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/pisi/PiSi.html
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| 13:28 | we wrote in python
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| 13:28 | <dan__t> Alright, well, off to get parts for this new box.
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| 13:28 | THanks for all the help guys.
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| 13:28 | Much apprecated.
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| 13:28 | <erdinc> also we are using pkzip and lzma
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| 13:29 | <pscheie> dan__t: btw, if you can afford it, have a look at the new 10,000rpm SATA disks
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| 13:29 | <erdinc> we'll use pardus and ltsp in a very big project Im not sure than jim mentioned about it or not
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| 13:29 | <pscheie> it'll help your performance a bit
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| 13:29 | <erdinc> more than 650 pardus server
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| 13:29 | 4500 client
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| 13:30 | <ogra> nice !
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| 13:30 | <erdinc> national ministry defence of Turkey
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| 13:30 | <jammcq> erdinc: is Pardus a new distro?
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| 13:30 | <erdinc> we started to work 3 years ago
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| 13:30 | <jammcq> oh wow
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| 13:30 | <erdinc> 1st we chose gentoo as base to make a distro
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| 13:30 | and we made a livecd
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| 13:31 | but then we left gentoo and make our own
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| 13:31 | <ogra> do you have some tool to build chroots in Pardus ? like debootstrap or anaconda ?
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| 13:31 | <erdinc> last year we announced pardus 1.0
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| 13:32 | and like 2 months ago we released pardus 2007
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| 13:32 | we dont have debootstrap or anaconda
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| 13:33 | <ogra> well something similar then
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| 13:33 | <erdinc> yes
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| 13:33 | we have our own package manager
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| 13:33 | <ogra> the thing you use from your installer to make the initial system for example
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| 13:33 | <erdinc> also instead of init we wrote a new init system in python
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| 13:34 | <dan__t> pscheie, with those specs, how many users could I expect to be able to handle?
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| 13:35 | <erdinc> its like this; yali (our installer) is responsible to make disk partitions and then yali talks to pisi(package manager) and comar(configuration manager)
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| 13:36 | <ogra> ok, so pisi is your bootstrapping app ...
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| 13:36 | <erdinc> we may say
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| 13:36 | pisi also talks to comar
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| 13:36 | <pscheie> dan__t: with 2gb ram, you should be able to get at least 20 users, but that really depends on the apps you run
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| 13:36 | <erdinc> for service scripts and postinstall stuff
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| 13:36 | <ogra> the first thing you should do is check out https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/ltsp-mainline with bzr
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| 13:36 | <pscheie> if your users all just run, say, firefox, you can probably get to 25
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| 13:37 | <ogra> then have a look at the plugins directory in the server subdir
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| 13:37 | <pscheie> run free and top regularly to see how your ram is doing; as long as there's no swap you'll be okay
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| 13:38 | note: you may see a tiny bit of swap used after a while, say 150k; that's okay, not a problem
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| 13:38 | <ogra> add a directory for pardus and try to write plugins that do the same with pisi we do with apt and debootstrap in ubuntu and debian
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| 13:38 | there is documentation about the plugins in the source tree
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| 13:38 | <erdinc> let me check
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| 13:38 | <pscheie> I'm not sure what it is, something the kernel decides to put there, but I see it regularly on boxes
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| 13:39 | <ogra> erdinc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToWriteLTSP5Plugins might also help
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| 13:39 | <pscheie> that have plenty of ram available
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| 13:39 | most of which will be used for disk caching, which is a good thing
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| 13:39 | <ogra> erdinc, what we do in ltsp5 is the following:
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| 13:39 | debootstrap a chroot in /opt/ltsp
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| 13:40 | then chroot into that dir
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| 13:40 | then install the xserver, soundserver and stuff we need for local devices in there
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| 13:40 | we also have a package called ltsp-client we install in there that puts tw initscripts in place
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| 13:41 | one to configure the thin client (X servr autodetection etc)
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| 13:41 | and one that starts the ltsp login, either ldm, the ltsp login manager or one of a bunch of other sessions
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| 13:42 | <ogra> thats about it fr the client side ...
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| 13:42 | *for
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| 13:42 | <erdinc> I see
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| 13:42 | <ogra> on the server we have a script that copies the kernel from the client chroot into the tftproot ... and one that cares for the sshkeys for the ltsp login manager
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| 13:43 | thats all muecow ltsp is ...
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| 13:43 | <erdinc> ok, as Pardus Linux we would like to join this project
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| 13:44 | integrating and developing so on..
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| 13:44 | you can find more details about us http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng
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| 13:44 | <ogra> great, as i said, look at the code and add what you need to get it running under pardus, if you got questions, sbalneav, vagrantc and me are the main developers on this ...
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| 13:45 | <jammcq> heh, exactly what I said :)
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| 13:46 | <erdinc> from now on we'll be a part of it :)
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| 13:46 | <dan__t> pscheie, I'm only going to shoot for Firefox and Thunderbird.
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| 13:46 | I wish FF managed it's memory better.
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| 13:46 | What about interface bonding, you guys ever done anything witht that to increase network preformance?
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| 13:48 | <pscheie> I haven't but others have. I think there's a link to a doc about it on the k12ltsp wiki
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| 13:49 | <erdinc> when we finish this project we are expecting more governmental institutes will use ltsp based system working on pardus
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| 13:51 | <pscheie> dan__t: http://web.archive.org/web/20041209100501/k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/bonding.htm
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| 13:52 | for ff, are you anticipating a lot of flash and web apps, or mostly users just reading text?
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| 13:52 | if the latter, I doubt you'll need to worry about bonding
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| 13:53 | <dan__t> I jsut want to eliminate bottlenecks.
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| 13:53 | Just hoping this new CPU kit will work alright.
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| 13:55 | Thanks for the link.
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| 13:55 | <pscheie> I've forgotten: how many users do you have?
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| 13:55 | <dan__t> I think this DUl E6600 at 2.4GHz will run circles around that Celeron 2.4
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| 13:55 | about 15, running Gnome
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| 13:56 | <g333k_work> Hi, can I install ltsp 4.2 in ubuntu 6.10 without problems? I remember I had to make an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 first and install ltsp 4.2 afterwards
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| 13:56 | <pscheie> oh, with 15, that box with 2GB RAM will be plenty; don't worry about the nic bonding
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| 13:56 | <dan__t> And the proc as well?
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| 13:56 | <pscheie> I was thinking you had 25-45
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| 13:56 | <dan__t> not yet.
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| 13:56 | maybe, but no time soon.
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| 13:57 | <pscheie> yes, the proc *speed* isn't that important
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| 13:57 | <dan__t> Like I have 3 users on that Celeron 2.4 is at 100% CPU
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| 13:57 | RAM wasn't an issue on that machine, it was only swapping like 60M
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| 13:57 | <pscheie> but you're going from a single core to a dual core, plus a bigger cpu cache, plus bigger lines to memory and cache, etc.
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| 13:57 | <dan__t> It had 1G in it.
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| 13:57 | yeah, the cache will rock.
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| 13:58 | From 128k cache to 4M cache.
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| 13:58 | and, well, you can't argue with a Duo
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| 13:58 | <pscheie> Mind you, if the users are all hitting flash-heavy sites, it might have an impact
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| 13:59 | that's why to the question of 'how much hardware do I need?' the answer is always 'it depends'. ;-)
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| 14:02 | <dan__t> heheh
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| 14:04 | Alright. THanks again, I really appreciate it.
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| 14:04 | I came across LTSP and I was all "Oh, we've gotta do this". So I didn't have a whole lot of time for testing and such.
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| 14:05 | <pscheie> It really IS cool the first time you put a floppy disk into an old machine with no hard drive and it spring to life!
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| 14:05 | as a speedy client
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| 14:06 | <dan__t> yeah.
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| 14:06 | UI is what I've been concerned with most.
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| 14:06 | Picky users, don't want to interrupt their work ya know?
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| 14:07 | <pscheie> you click on the icons to star the apps--how hard can it be? I know, I know...
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| 14:16 | <ogra> bbl
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| 14:17 | <HobNobblin> Any one having troubles getting a VIA Rhine II to work?? I get a "dhcpcd failed" message and some moderate googling hints that the rhine driver in 2.6.17.8 might be buggered. Clues?
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| 14:18 | <cliebow> wanna try 2.6.16.1
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| 14:18 | ?
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| 14:19 | <HobNobblin> I'll give it a shot I s'pose
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| 14:26 | <cliebow> i think there was some probs with 2.6.17
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| 14:31 | <HobNobblin> rock on. 2.6.17 are teh sux0r :) . Thank you cliebow, that worked a treat
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> Coolio:chalk one up for the jammcq
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| 14:33 | <HobNobblin> and now my X cursor is screwy. It never ends
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> grey screen?
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| 14:34 | <HobNobblin> the mouse cursor shows up as a funked up box while doing certain things
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| 14:34 | <cliebow> what is your video card? and is xserver=auto?
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| 14:35 | in lts.conf?
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| 14:35 | <HobNobblin> xserver is auto
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| 14:35 | I just got this terminal to play with so I'm not too sure on the specs yet...
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| 14:36 | <cliebow> is video card an intel? perhaps?
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| 14:37 | <HobNobblin> Via S3
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| 14:40 | <cliebow> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#S3_and_S3Virge_cards
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| 14:41 | <dan__t> I had issues with Rhine cards, too.
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| 15:34 | <HobNobblin> I guess if all else fails just use vesa :P
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| 19:49 | <dan__t> damni.
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| 19:49 | damnit, too!
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| 21:19 | <dan__t> beh.
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| 21:19 | Well, I got all this hardware - appears that this NIC is not yet liked by FC6 all that much.
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| 21:19 | hah
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| 21:23 | <Patina> What kind of NIC is that?
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| 21:24 | <dan__t> RTL8110SC, and I spoke too soon - I was feeding the machine the ltsp vmlinuz
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| 21:25 | Instead of the FC6 vmlinuz.
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| 21:25 | I've never touched PXE before this project - its very, very cool.
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| 21:26 | <Patina> Ok, it would surprise me if a NIC wouldn't work, unless it's wireless.
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| 21:27 | <dan__t> Yeah.
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| 21:28 | This is brand spankin' new, very modern NIC as far as I can tell. I'm sure it's simply possible it's too new to not require a driver disk.
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| 21:28 | Which is going to be a problem, since this is also a test as to how well I can install a machine without an installation drive, i.e. cdrom, disk, floppy.
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| 21:40 | <dan__t> fscking a.
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| 21:40 | that was cake.
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| 21:40 | i love pxe.
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| 21:42 | Getting closer - anaconda can't find a working module for this network card.
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| 21:43 | * vagrantc breathes a huge sigh of relief as new ltsp packages finally got uploaded to debian | |
| 21:43 | <dan__t> ah right on time with everything else eh
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> dan__t: ??
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| 21:55 | <dan__t> Just playing along with the joke that the Debian guys, well, take their time
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> sure. it usually hasn't been a problem (and debian and ubuntu are actually much further along than any other distro with ltsp 5.0)
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| 21:56 | not to brag too much or anything :)
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| 22:08 | <dan__t> Oh, you know what I mean.
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| 22:08 | heh
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| 22:08 | I'm having a hell of a time getting this install to work.
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| 22:09 | I think I'm going t have to make my own driver disk here soon.
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| 22:09 | Which is going to be difficult, because I'm trying to do *all* of this via pxebook
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| 22:11 | * vagrantc pities the poor anaconda user | |
| 22:12 | <vagrantc> as long as we're making distro-related stabs :)
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| 22:13 | <dan__t> Oh, well taken.
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| 22:13 | haha
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| 22:14 | welp, bah.
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| 22:14 | i'm going to piss and moan about this some more ok?
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> you could try debian-installer :)
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| 22:14 | <dan__t> or not
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> worst that happens is it gives you lots of other things to complain about... or even worse, that it would work like a charm :)
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| 22:19 | <dan__t> If there was any documentation associated with Anaconda, I would be tickled pink.
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| 22:21 | Erm, I read in some old LTSP documentation earlier that there's a "kitchen sink" kernel somewhere.
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| 23:35 | <tinpardo> hi
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| 23:35 | <dan__t> hello.
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