IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 February 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:29 | <ba> where does LTSP store it's cache files?
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| 00:29 | <rthomson> what cache files?
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| 00:30 | <ba> I mean if I run ltsp-update-image about 3 times my 10 Gb would have 0 bytes remaining
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| 00:30 | then if I reboot, it's fine again
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| 00:35 | <rthomson> looking at the contents of ltsp-update-image (it is script), seems like everything happens in /opt/ltsp
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| 00:35 | TMPNAME=`/bin/mktemp -u /opt/ltsp/images/$arch.XXXXXXX`
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| 00:35 | for instance
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| 00:35 | <ba> currently ther eis $arch.XXXX files
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| 00:36 | but I am sure if I restart
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| 00:36 | i would have much more free space
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| 00:36 | strange
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| 00:36 | <rthomson> is ltsp-update-image failing somewhere?
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| 00:36 | <ba> : /tmp folder doesn't have any big files
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| 00:36 | rthomson, no. it's working fine
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| 00:37 | rthomson, I just was testing and if I run update image 3 times i would go out of free space
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| 00:37 | then I am having to restart :D
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| 00:37 | which making my test life much more harder
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| 00:38 | <rthomson> looking at the contents of the script, I'm not immediately aware of how that would happen but hey I'm just an end user
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| 00:38 | <ba> btw. is there any possibility to test LTS.conf chnages without ltsp-update-image everytime?
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| 00:38 | rthomson, sure
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| 00:38 | <rthomson> I thought lts.conf was now stored on the tftp server
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| 00:39 | meaning you just have to reboot the thin client
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| 00:39 | at least that is how it works with my NFS root
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| 00:39 | <ba> "now" - when? on 12.04 version?
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| 00:39 | rthomson, you are not using bnd?
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| 00:39 | rthomson, you are not using nbd?
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| 00:40 | <rthomson> nope, I use Fedora and NFS root
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| 00:40 | <ba> rthomson, ah oka
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| 00:40 | <rthomson> and by "now", I mean since I started using LTSP5 on Fedora
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| 00:40 | <ba> rthomson, on Ubuntu it's a little bit different
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| 00:40 | rthomson, it's faster in the end but I have to run ltsp-update image on lts.conf changes
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| 00:40 | OMG
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| 00:41 | <rthomson> I thought lts.conf was specifically moved out of the root file system and into the TFTP server so you don't have to rebuild the NBD image at every change
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| 00:41 | <ba> I have to go sleeping as I am tellilng something stupid :D
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| 00:41 | for lts.conf I DON"T HAVE TO ltsp-update-image
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| 00:41 | rthomson, yes, sorry for confusing lol
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| 07:51 | <muppis> alkisg, win32-loader with ipxe works like a dream. :)
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> Cool, isn't it? :)
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| 07:52 | We really need a wiki page about it... describing how to set the default boot loader item + timeout too
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| 07:52 | <muppis> Sure thing. Now I keep XP for my kids and use Linux when I want with easy. :)
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| 07:53 | But can't get gnome-shell working in ltsp.
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| 07:54 | At server works fine.
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> Hmm with Ubuntu supporting Unity, I wonder how many LTSP users will be using gnome-shell
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| 07:55 | Is gnome-shell installed by default in Debian sid?
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| 07:57 | <muppis> I don't know.
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| 07:58 | I don't like Unity and I don't like the idea to switch Debian, so I'm little bit stuck with the problem then, I think.
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> Nah you can just troubleshoot it and send patches :)
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| 08:00 | <muppis> I would if had time for that.
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| 08:28 | <laurei> without audio since upgrading to 11.10 last week, and now have pretty much exhausted every bit of documentation I can find, nada.
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| 20:13 | <kleewyck> Any suggestions for a new LTSP server platform? I need to start from scratch and am wondering what base Linux to start with.
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| 20:14 | <vagrantc> i'm biased towards debian, but ubuntu and debian LTSP implementations are actively maintained.
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| 20:15 | if you have a strong preference for another distro, though, you might want to go with that. really depends on your needs.
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| 20:17 | <kleewyck> I'm pretty Distro Agnostic. All work... Work is REHL. but Ubuntu works good for me also . .
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> there's been some recent work on the redhat/fedora LTSP stuff, but it started lagging at some point
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| 20:21 | not sure what the status is
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| 20:22 | <kleewyck> ok, is there a prebuilt kit these days for Ubuntu or just take the latest Ubuntu Server and then load LTSP on it?
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> if you install with the alternate CD, there's an option to install an LTSP server
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| 20:25 | otherwise, just install ltsp-server and/or ltsp-server-standalone packages
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| 20:25 | <kleewyck> oh ok ..
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> and then run ltsp-build-client ...
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| 20:26 | if your server is amd64 and you want to run i386 clients, you need to run ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 20:26 | dunno how the server install CD handles that
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| 20:26 | the other key is that you need to install the ubuntu desktop tasks... since the server is essentially a desktop server (some people install the ubuntu server, but that's for console-only servers)
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| 20:27 | <kleewyck> so use 11.10 or 10.04 LTS ?
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> that's your call ... the 11.10 has a shorter support cycle, but is also more similar to what will be 12.04 LTS which will be supported for a long time
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| 20:30 | 10.04 has a fairly long term support cycle, but is older so that will expire in a little over a year
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| 20:31 | so many choices! :)
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| 20:31 | <kleewyck> heheheh yes!!!!
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> stgraber: any planned changes for ldm in the near future, or should i go ahead and upload 2.2.5 from ldm-trunk?
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| 21:10 | i have some further changes i'd like to make to make ssh-hostkeychecker more flexible
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| 21:10 | but i'll put those off for a future upload
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| 21:13 | <stgraber> vagrantc: the only other change I have here is the gtk3 conversion but that's massive and not working (and will probably be released as 2.3), so feel free to go ahead with what we have now
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> stgraber: you hoping to get 2.3 out soon?
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| 21:29 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I'd like to but it's unlikely, I have quite a lot of things to get done by Feature Freeze (16th) and it's one of the lowest priority ones
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| 22:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: thanks for the epoptes upload! How would you feel about storing the ltsp sessions environment in ~/.cache/ltsp/session.$$? We could use that for S20-login-check, for ltsp-exec, ltsp-connections-info and for other scripts... e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/828141/
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, happy to upload epoptes.
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| 22:10 | alkisg: we've generally tried to avoid storing stuff in user's homedirs, but maybe it's time we reconsider that...
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| 22:10 | alkisg: if it's user-specific session state information
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| 22:11 | <alkisg> We _could_ check console-kit instead, but that's not specifically ltsp connections, it could e.g. be ssh connections, which we wouldn't want to killl
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| 22:11 | Also, it provides a clean way to have access to the client DISPLAYs... i don't think kfreebsd has /proc/pid/environ, does it?
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| 22:12 | (and it also works on fat clients)
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> stgraber: hrm. just a few days ago, i had ldm building and was thinking i'd upload today ... now generatte_locale_list.py is failing :(
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| 22:13 | <alkisg> Yes, it's user specific session information, and specifically `export -p` at the S19-xx stage (LDM_USERNAME, DISPLAY, HOSTNAME etc)
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| 22:13 | I'm not sure if ~/.cache/ltsp is the correct dir for it..
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> right
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| 22:14 | do other applications do something similar?
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| 22:14 | <alkisg> Some applications put lock files with their pid
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| 22:14 | But we're not running on the same system, so we can't use /var/run/pid etc
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| 22:14 | A few of them do use $HOME/somewhere
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| 22:14 | (usually $HOME/.appname)
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> seems like /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED no longer exists...
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| 22:16 | <alkisg> Hm. Actually we *could* use /var/run/, since we're using the ssh socket anyway
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| 22:16 | But we'd need to put the username/uid in the filename too
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> or wait, i just don't have all the deps resolved
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| 22:18 | generate_locale_list.py falls over after processing en_ZW English (Zimbabwe)
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| 22:20 | <stgraber> vagrantc: seems to work fine here. What version of python are you sing and exactly how does it fail?
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| 22:20 | * vagrantc digs up the logs | |
| 22:23 | <vagrantc> stgraber: http://people.debian.org/~vagrant/ldm/ the newer one
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| 22:23 | stgraber: works fine for me on wheezy, so i think it's some change in libc or python or something
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| 22:27 | <stgraber> vagrantc: might be a missing build-dep, though I'm not sure what that'd be. I tried running it with C and it works fine, so that's not it either ...
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> my guess is it's failing on he_IL (hebrew, israel?)
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| 22:27 | at least, that's next next one on the list when running it from wheezy.
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| 22:28 | <stgraber> I triggered an automatic build of trunk on Launchpad, will see if it fails on the builders here too
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> 'night all
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| 23:02 | <vagrantc> stgraber: well, i've got a workaround patch ... but it's kind of ugly.
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| 23:03 | stgraber: essentially, if it has trouble translating the country name, fall back to the english name
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| 23:04 | using try/except
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| 23:06 | dunno if i should just upload with a patch, or push that upstream... it's not ideal, but it's only affecting one language
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| 23:07 | i guess i'll push it upstream but have it issue a warning
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| 23:07 | that way we can see which languages are affected in the build logs
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| 23:11 | <stgraber> sounds good
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| 23:13 | <vagrantc> should probably do that with language name too
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