IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 April 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:14 | <al-geo> hello my old good friends :D . i need your help!!! i have ltsp (not pnp) installed on my ubutnu server 16.04 (vmware virtual machine) and fat clients with ubuntu 16.04. everything works fine but sound. sound is bad: i compared sound quality with normal installs and its much worse. did someone experienced something like this?
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| 08:15 | sound is like higher and like vibrating or i dont know how to say. :( sorry for my poor english
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> Does sound work fine if you boot the fat clients with a 16.04 live cd?
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| 08:16 | (or usb stick)
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| 08:25 | <al-geo> hi alkisg, how are you my friend? :D i didnt try this yet but on same machines with opensuse 13.2 sound is perfect and on my desktops with ubuntuX64 16.04 sound is great too. now i will try to create liveUSB with ubuX32-16.04 but looks like its ltsps fault.
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> al-geo: ltsp fat clients don't touch the sound settings
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| 08:27 | It's like running a live cd or a local installation
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| 08:27 | LTSP thin clients run pulseaudio to forward the sound from the server etc, but you're not talking about thin clients
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| 08:27 | So, I don't think it's an issue with LTSP at all.
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| 08:34 | <al-geo> alkisg can i somehow disable pulseaudio and work with just alsa? i try autorespawn = no but its still launches an if i apt remove pulseaudio client says that the there is no sound cards and alsa update and pray did nothing
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> al-geo: ubuntu uses pulseaudio, if you want to disable it, ask in #ubuntu
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| 08:35 | LTSP doesn't touch the sound settings and applications for fat clients
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| 08:35 | Did you try with the live cd? maybe you just need a different kernel there...
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| 08:35 | (btw, what's the output of `getltscfg -a` on the client?)
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| 08:43 | <storm_> hey everyone
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| 08:43 | anybody home? :)
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| 08:44 | <storm_> hi mate
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| 08:45 | well, will post my question and keep the chat monitored :)
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| 08:45 | <alkisg> Hi storm_
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| 08:45 | <alkisg> Yes, just ask
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| 08:45 | !ask
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| 08:45 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 08:46 | <storm_> sorry
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| 08:46 | i stand guilty
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| 08:46 | anyway
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| 08:46 | Wyse mws 9940 and LTSP... is that possible?
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Can that run linux?
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| 08:47 | if it runs linux, it can also run ltsp
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| 08:47 | <storm_> Those are ZeroClients
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> If it's a zero client that cannot run linux, then it cannot run ltsp either
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| 08:48 | ltsp is "linux terminal server project", it only works if the clients can run linux
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| 08:49 | <storm_> I understand...
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| 08:49 | <al-geo> https://pastebin.com/zr6HPjTb
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| 08:49 | <storm_> so it cannot run on ZeroClients without any ram...
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> No, neither linux nor ltsp can run there
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> al-geo: eh, if you only have shell and null screen, how are you running a desktop then?
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| 08:51 | <storm_> i see... okay, what's that pastebin for?
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| 08:51 | https://pastebin.com/zr6HPjTb this one i mean
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> It's from another user who asks something unrelated to your question
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| 08:51 | <storm_> oh, sorry... for a moment i hoped... :D
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> :)
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| 08:52 | !cheap-client
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| 08:52 | <ltsp> cheap-client: (#1) http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html, or (#2) https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-arrival-Beelink-Pocket-Z83-Windows-10-Mini-PC-Z8300-64bit-1-84GHz-2GB-RAM-32GB/1871240_32640039781.html
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> Just buy something like this ^
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| 08:52 | less than 100€ per client...
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| 08:52 | <storm_> the goal was to totally reuse the customer's hardware and they have those f....g zero clients
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| 08:53 | but i will look into it
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| 08:53 | thanks for the tip mate
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> They're not worth the trouble
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| 08:53 | Throw them away
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| 08:54 | <storm_> eh.... i will probably have to... but i am not sure the customer will be happy about that... well... we will see
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> I'm sure he won't be happy if he keeps them too
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| 08:54 | It's an unhappy/unhappy situation :)
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| 08:55 | <storm_> well... they are using a multipoint server 2011... so... they worked with that...
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> And they couldn't even browse, yes
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| 08:55 | Unhappy.
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| 08:55 | !thin-clients-bandwidth
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| 08:55 | <ltsp> thin-clients-bandwidth: A small explanation why thin clients can't perform well with video, lots of screen updates etc: https://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/35694699/
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> That applies for zero clients too, read it
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| 08:56 | That's why ltsp proposes netbooted fat clients nowadays
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| 08:57 | <storm_> i have read that documentation and i understood the principles... i totally agree on the fat clients matter, the problem is there's not a fitting environment
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> I'm not sure I understand there
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| 08:58 | The difference between fat and thin is only on cpu/ram
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| 08:58 | and since it's < 100€, I don't see the issue
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| 08:58 | No disk, same form factor/size...
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| 09:00 | <al-geo> alkisg i have guied app and i create systemctl service that runs script that runs x and xfce4 and than my app and it works like charm :) but my coworkers are worry about sound quality
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> al-geo: ah, then it's your script that's broken, ok :)
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| 09:00 | Still not an ltsp issue...
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| 09:01 | LTSP doesn't touch the sound settings or applications
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| 09:01 | <al-geo> with cmus and moc players is the same issue
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> (in fat client case)
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| 09:01 | OK, since it's not related to LTSP, there's no point in discussing it here...
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| 09:01 | <al-geo> ok pal thanks
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> It's a custom solution :)
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| 09:01 | Cheers
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| 09:01 | <storm_> okay, thanks a lot mate
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> np
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| 09:02 | <ZAJDAN> if FAT or THIN ..it is detected automatically ?
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| 09:09 | because I have here one machine(512MB Celeron M 1GHz) which was not defined in lts.conf and becomes as FAT client
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: yes
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| 09:37 | Check FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD in lts.conf
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| 09:37 | <ZAJDAN> ok...thnx
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| 09:38 | not...I have not such option
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 09:39 | <ltsp> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> In the manpage
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| 09:41 | <ZAJDAN> ok..I add 'FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=600' because default is 300 and it was the problem..THNX
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| 11:10 | <ZAJDAN> is possible get Epoptes via Putty_?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: where would the epoptes GUI be shown? in windows?
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| 13:19 | You need a GUI, not console
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| 13:19 | So, VNC/x2go/teamviewer
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| 13:20 | <ZAJDAN> alkisg: it is solved ...xming,putty
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| 13:20 | <ZAJDAN> on linux it is perfect as You know surely, but on one machine I tried with windows
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| 13:22 | <ZAJDAN> alkisg: on windows when is installed(xming,putty)..so then from cmd 'plink -X -ssh pxe@192.168.1.1 -pw pass epoptes'
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: cool; you can also just run x2go
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| 13:26 | !x2go
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| 13:26 | <ltsp> x2go: x2go is an NX-based suite of applications that allow logging in to a remote X server from any OS. It's much more efficient than VNC over slow network. More info: http://www.x2go.org/
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| 13:27 | <ZAJDAN> thnx for hint(x2go)
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| 13:29 | <ZAJDAN> xming+putty is also very good approach when you connect via SSH and want to get window of remote app
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> nx minimizes roundtrips and is much more efficient over adsl
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| 13:46 | Remote Xorg, like ssh -X, is not very good over adsl
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| 14:13 | <ZAJDAN> I think same protocol is used in NoMachine app
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Yes, nx is invented by them and used in x2go too
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| 14:17 | It's xorg made faster for low-speed connections
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| 14:21 | <ZAJDAN> good to know for such cases, fortunately I am on 100Mbit
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