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Channel log from 5 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:47 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "Clients hang at logout (ps -ef)" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/319
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| 01:48 | <alkisg> My Jaunty clients frequently hang at logout, could someone tell me which of the pasted 5 commands should be the first to finish (so this is the one that's hanged)?
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| 01:49 | ogra, I tried with fusa removed from the panel, and logging out using the gnome menus, but nothing changed...
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| 01:52 | ldm.log says that process with pid=3100 (that was the ssh process) died unexpectedly
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| 02:23 | <knipwim> !seen johnny
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| 02:23 | <ltspbot`> knipwim: johnny was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <johnny> pmatulis, sure.. why not.. as long as you install it
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| 02:34 | <alkisg> Ryan52: ping?
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| 02:35 | <Ryan52> alkisg: pong
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| 02:35 | <alkisg> Ryan52: hi man
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| 02:35 | Some of my clients hang at logout because of line 223 of ldm.c: logerr(_("Unexpected terminated process: pid = %d"),
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| 02:36 | there's no break in this "else" and it keeps waiting for ssh which is already terminated
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| 02:36 | I had a similar problem some months ago and it was solved a few lines above in ldm.c,
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| 02:36 | * Ryan52 "bzr pull"s | |
| 02:37 | <alkisg> but you told me then that you didn't want to insert a break in the last "else" because you wanted to be notified if/when such a bug occurs
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| 02:37 | So... I notify you :) and ask for help! :)
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| 02:38 | <Ryan52> hm. the pid that unexpectedly terminated is the pid of what?
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| 02:38 | <alkisg> Of ssh
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| 02:39 | <Ryan52> and which pid is it ldm_wait-ing on when this happens?
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| 02:39 | <alkisg> root 3100 3007 0 11:10 pts/0 00:00:00 ssh -Y -t -M -S /var/run/ldm_socket_3007_10.160.31.10 -o NumberOfPasswordPrompts=1 guest08@10.160.31.10 echo LTSPROCKS; /bin/sh -
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| 02:39 | <Ryan52> ok, but what is it expecting to terminate?
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| 02:40 | <alkisg> Er, is this shown in the log?
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| 02:40 | <Ryan52> no.
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| 02:40 | <alkisg> So I need a patched ldm version to see it?
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| 02:41 | <Ryan52> add 'loginfo("waiting for pid: %d", pid);' to the beginning of the ldm_wait function.
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| 02:41 | yes
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| 02:41 | <alkisg> Ryan52: ok, but I don't have time to test in the school today, I'll have to do this on Thursday.
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| 02:41 | Could you tell me what other info you may need so that I can send it to you?
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| 02:42 | <Ryan52> a break wouldn't make sense there anyway.
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| 02:42 | ssh hasn't already terminated.
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| 02:42 | some other thing has.
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| 02:43 | <Ryan52> anyway, me -> sleep
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| 02:43 | <alkisg> ssh is terminated in ps -ef
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| 02:43 | That's the "unexpected terminated process"...
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| 02:44 | <Ryan52> oh.
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| 02:44 | sorry, it's late tonight. :)
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| 02:44 | <alkisg> OK, Ryan52, thanks, I'll try to debug this and send you whatever I find
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| 02:44 | Goodnight! :
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| 02:44 | :)
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| 03:15 | <knipwim> i have some problems setting ARCH in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 03:16 | it doesn't work, only the commandline argument --arch= works
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| 03:16 | anyone else have this problem?
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| 03:26 | <X-TaZ> tried --arch i386 ?
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| 03:27 | <knipwim> the --arch option works, for diverse archs
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| 03:27 | the ARCH setting in the config file doesn't have any effect
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| 03:28 | it isn't used by the 001-set-arch plugin
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| 03:39 | <X-TaZ> cd ..
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| 03:43 | <ogra> knipwim, you did use the variable name and it didnt work ? (option_arch_value would be the name used in that plugin by teh looks of it)
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| 04:30 | <knipwim> ogra: the option_arch_value is the variable for the commandline option
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| 04:31 | using the option_arch_value in the config file works, but it can't be overwritten by the --arch commandline option
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| 04:31 | besides, using ARCH in the config file makes more sense to me
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| 04:32 | <X-TaZ> | |
| 04:32 | " that i could translate in "E: There are problems and -y has been user without --force-yes"
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| 04:32 | I can't see where i have to put --force-yes
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| 04:44 | No idea ?
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| 04:48 | <laga> X-TaZ: can you post the *complete* output of ltsp-build-client/ltsp-cluster on a pastebin?
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| 04:53 | <X-TaZ> yes
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| 04:55 | http://pastebin.com/m2868b8f9
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| 04:55 | <ogra> knipwim, file a bug then, thats not how its designed :)
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| 04:57 | <knipwim> will do
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| 04:58 | <X-TaZ> laga, any idea ?
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| 05:00 | <laga> X-TaZ: yes. either remove the PPA from your sources.list or import its key or tell ltsp-build-client to accept unsigned packages
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| 05:00 | <X-TaZ> How to tell it to accept unsigned packages ?
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| 05:01 | <ogra> the only proper fix is to add the key
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| 05:02 | <X-TaZ> Ok i'm gonna learn at it
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| 05:02 | <ogra> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
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| 05:02 | <X-TaZ> thanks
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| 05:02 | <ogra> "Adding a PPA's keys to your system" is what you want
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| 05:06 | <X-TaZ> I have difficulties to find the public PGP key on the ltsp-cluster's launchpad page
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| 05:08 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-cluster-team/+archive/ppa
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| 05:09 | if you still dont get it working, wait for stgraber to show up
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| 05:11 | <X-TaZ> Ok thank you :)
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| 05:26 | <X-TaZ> Well, now the pgp key works, but I still have my problem. I'll be waiting for stgraber
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| 07:14 | <alkisg> !seen sbalneav
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| 07:14 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 8 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes, and 1 second ago: <sbalneav> At some point it's a case of diminishing returns. I don't know wether you're a consultant or an employee, but hardware's cheap, and the amount of time you're going to spend: devising a patch, testing the patch, rolling a new kernel, then MAINTAINING that patch through every kernel upgrade (1 more message)
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| 08:02 | <pmatulis> i'm having trouble specifying settings for an individual client via lts.conf (http://pastebin.com/m447c9970)
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| 08:03 | i cannot get the localapp (firefox) to run with that config
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| 08:03 | however, if i remove the mac address (line) then it works
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| 08:10 | <knipwim> and when you capitalize the letters?
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| 08:10 | <pmatulis> knipwim: let me try
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| 08:17 | <pmatulis> knipwim: you nailed it
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| 08:18 | <pmatulis> knipwim: i have a 2nd question, the XRAMPERC setting does not appear to be working, i deliberately set it low (at 20%) for testing, FF should come down but it doesn't
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| 08:19 | <knipwim> i think it should be X_RAMPERC
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| 08:20 | http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#xorg-parameters
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| 08:20 | <pmatulis> sigh
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| 08:21 | <knipwim> almost there :)
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| 08:21 | <pmatulis> knipwim: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ResolveRamIssues set me astray
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| 08:22 | <rjune> !g
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| 08:22 | <ltspbot`> rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> morning, rjune
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| 08:23 | <rjune> how's NYC?
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> wet
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> Hey Gadi. Have 2 minutes to look at 3 lines in sshutils.c that may be the cause of a logout hanging I'm experiencing?
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> hmm.. 2 min for 3 lines
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| 08:26 | thats about how fast my mouth moves
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| 08:26 | ;)
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| 08:26 | sure
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 08:26 | At the bottom of the file,
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| 08:26 | ldm_wait(pid);
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| 08:26 | read(ldm.sshfd, buf, sizeof buf); /* clear any exit message so ssh can exit cleanly */
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| 08:26 | ldm_wait(ldm.sshpid);
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| 08:26 | Is there any change that ldm.sshpid finishes *before* pid ?
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| 08:26 | *chance
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| 08:27 | <Gadi> well, for that I need to read some more lines
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| 08:27 | :)
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| 08:27 | ur such a tease
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> Ooops :)
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| 08:27 | <Gadi> ok, one sec
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| 08:27 | lemme pull up a terminal window
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> thanks man
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| 08:28 | <Gadi> ok, so pid is ssh -O
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> The first one should be the "exit" command that goes through the control channel, and the second one the init ssh channel...
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> and sshpid is the SENTINEL
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| 08:29 | <pmatulis> knipwim: nope, 'X_RAMPERC = 20' does not kill Firefox
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> well, here, do this:
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| 08:30 | on a thin client log into ldm
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Gadi, and I think ssh finishes *before* the sentinel, so I get "Unexpected terminated process: pid =..." at ldm.log
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> then, switch to a shell on vt2
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| 08:30 | and issue the ssh -O command thru the socket
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| 08:30 | and see if it hangs things
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| 08:30 | <X-TaZ> stgraber, common , waiting for u :)
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> alkisg: you mean you think ssh -O is being sent after the sentinel closes
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| 08:31 | if that is true, I would expect ssh -O to exit immediately and not hang
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Gadi, I think that `pid = ldm_spawn(command, NULL, NULL, NULL);` finishes *after* the ssh but only half of the times (and in this specific lab of mine)
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> if you comment out the ssh -O stuff, do you still see the issue?
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> So ldm_wait(pid); logs "Unexpected terminated process: pid = ***the ssh pid***"
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| 08:32 | And then ldm_wait(ldm.sshpid); waits forever
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> you could be right
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| 08:33 | <knipwim> pmatulis: i don't know why not
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> if all goes smoothly, ssh -O is largely redundant
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> Gadi, I didn't have time to properly debug it, I'll try it on Thursday, I just wanted to see if this was a possible scenario where it could go wrong...
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> ssh -O is only there to try to make sure the ssh session exits
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> Gadi: I was thinking of adding this check in ldm_wait: "if pid doesn't exist, don't wait for it, just log a programmer's error"
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| 08:34 | Do you think that would be acceptable?
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> sounds good
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| 08:34 | doesnt make sense to wait for a non-existant pid
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| 08:34 | :)
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> OK, thanks Gadi (that was a lot more than 2 minutes, sorry)!!
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| 08:35 | I'll check on Thurday and report back :)
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> no worries - that was 2 pre-caffeinated minutes
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| 08:42 | <pmatulis> anyone else have any idea why X_RAMPERC does not work?
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> (btw, lts-parameters.txt erroneously reports this as XRAMPERC without the underscore)
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| 08:44 | <pmatulis> alkisg: yeah, got bit by that, added the underscore now
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| 08:44 | <knipwim> what? No manual entry for lts.conf
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> pmatulis: grep -R X_RAMPERC /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm
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| 09:11 | and: grep -R X_RAMPERC /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp
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| 09:11 | step 1: make sure it is in the code
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| 09:11 | step 2: make sure the variable is being set properly on the client
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| 09:16 | <pmatulis> Gadi: the file XS10-xramperc is there
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| 09:16 | Gadi: under ltsp directory
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| 09:16 | Gadi: not suere what you mean "make sure it is in the code"
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> cool
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| 09:16 | you just did
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| 09:16 | our code changes
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| 09:17 | I never know if the version you have has the code you want
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| 09:17 | <pmatulis> Gadi: ok
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:17 | anyway, get a shell on the client
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| 09:17 | <pmatulis> Gadi: there now
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> and type: getltscfg -a
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| 09:17 | or, better: getltscfg -a |grep X_RAMPERC
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| 09:17 | <NeonLicht> has anybody succeded on playing some music on a Windows server and listen to it from an LTSP client? (through rdesktop, of course) I have added -r sound:local to the SCREEN_XX line on lts.conf, but it doesn't seem to help
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| 09:18 | <pmatulis> nice!
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| 09:18 | Gadi: i get the properly set variable
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| 09:18 | Gadi: "X_RAMPERC="20"
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> pmatulis: thats not how it is quoted - is it?
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| 09:19 | <pmatulis> Gadi: X_RAMPERC="20"
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| 09:19 | Gadi: that's what it says exactly
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| 09:19 | <pmatulis> Gadi: then
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| 09:19 | Gadi: export X_RAMPERC
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> looks good
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| 09:20 | hmm...
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| 09:20 | NeonLicht: do you need sound in both ldm and rdesktop at the same time?
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| 09:20 | NeonLicht: or just rdesktop?
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| 09:21 | oh - duh
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| 09:22 | why is that script there
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| 09:22 | hmm...
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| 09:22 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, well, in my thin client just LDM, since I never use Windows. On some other clients, at least rdesktop... it ould be better on both, but people could live with sound from rdesktop for the time being... until they learn working on the LDM is better than on the rdesktop
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> wait
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| 09:22 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, what I mean is that it would be convenient to have different settings for different clients
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: well, I can give you a quick hack that disables sound on ldm but enables on rdesktop
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| 09:22 | OR I can give you a less quick hack that makes both work (I think)
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| 09:23 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, that would be excellent, Gadi, thanks a lot :-)
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| 09:23 | hahaha
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: the issue is that ldm uses pulseaudio
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| 09:23 | and pulseaudio has control over the sound card
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| 09:23 | <NeonLicht> yes, I'm listening to music wonderfully through pulseaudio
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> so, you need to make rdesktop use pulseaudio
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| 09:23 | <NeonLicht> I see
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> OR kill pulseaudio and let rdesktop use the soundcard
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| 09:24 | killing is easy
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| 09:24 | :)
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| 09:24 | <NeonLicht> so, the first approche is the less quick, and te last one the quick one XD
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> you can simply add: pkill -9 pulseaudio to your rdesktop wrapper
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| 09:24 | but, then ldm won't have sound
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| 09:24 | <NeonLicht> I see
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> to make rdesktop use pulse, there are several techniques
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| 09:25 | one would be to install pulseaudio-utils in the chroot
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| 09:25 | and run rdesktop as:
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| 09:25 | PULSE_SERVER=tcp:127.0.0.1:4713 padsp rdesktop -r sound:local:oss ....
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| 09:26 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, "pkill -9 pulseaudio" added as a new line on the wraper? before the while lop?
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| 09:26 | s/lop/loop
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> yeah before (only need to kill it once
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| 09:26 | )
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| 09:26 | <NeonLicht> sure :-)
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| 09:26 | I'm trying that one first
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| 09:29 | installing pulseaudio-utils on the chroot now...
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| 09:34 | <pmatulis> oh well, X_RAMPERC is broken, will submit bug shortly
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| 09:36 | * Gadi wonders if that script sets the ulimit in the appropriate place... | |
| 09:38 | <alkisg> Gadi, NeonLicht, what about `padsp rdekstop <options>`? I think it worked fine for me (a long time ago...)
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> alkisg: right - thats one way to do #2
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| 09:39 | but he needs to also set the pulse server
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| 09:39 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, killing pulseaudio hasen't seemed to help... I'm trying the other approach, although I'm not sure to understand exactilly how it is supossed to be done... "PULSE_SERVER=tcp:127.0.0.1:4713" <--- one line and the rest on a SCREEN_XX line, maybe?
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> (he is running an rdesktop screen script)
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| 09:39 | NeonLicht: wait
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| 09:39 | one approach at a time
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| 09:39 | :)
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| 09:39 | <NeonLicht> | |
| 09:40 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: paste your lts.conf please
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| 09:40 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, I'm not, anymore, since it hasn't helped, so I'm trying the second one (trying to force desktop to use pulseaudio :-)
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:40 | <NeonLicht> PULSE_SERVER=tcp:127.0.0.1:4713 padsp rdesktop -r sound:local:oss
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| 09:40 | SCREEN_10=modified-rdesktop -k es -r sound:local my.2003.server
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> well, if you do approach #2 change to:
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| 09:41 | -r sound:local:oss
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| 09:41 | <NeonLicht> you mean on the SCREEN_10 line?
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> also, you DID make sure that you allow sound on the server right?
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| 09:41 | b default, audio mapping is disabled on windows
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| 09:41 | *by
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| 09:42 | <NeonLicht> sure, Gadi, I have sound allowed in all clients
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> ok
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| 09:42 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, you mean by the Windows server (my experience with Windows is alost 0, never use it)
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:42 | you need to go into windows
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| 09:42 | and go to Terminal Services Configuration
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| 09:42 | <NeonLicht> ah, ok :-)
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> right click on the RDP connection, go to Properties
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| 09:43 | click the Client tab (I think)
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| 09:43 | and uncheck Disable Audio mapping
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| 09:43 | then, the user needs to log out and log in
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| 09:43 | for it to work
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| 09:45 | <NeonLicht> in client tab there is "audio asignation" (or something similar), which is marked (allowd)
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| 09:45 | I don't find the "Disable Audio mapping" check box
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> 2003 or 2008?
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| 09:47 | <NeonLicht> ooopppsss, sorry, I see, there is "Disable the next:" on top, so sound was, in fact disallowed :-))
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| 09:47 | I mean the check box was marked, therefore disallowed
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| 09:51 | <Gadi> don't you love double negatives?
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| 09:53 | <NeonLicht> I don't care, as long as I see it is one XDD
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| 09:59 | well, Gadi, now the media player doesn't complain on not finding any sound card, it starts "playing" an MP3 file, but it goes at a incredible fast speed (a 3 minutes MP3 file "plays" on about 15-20 seconds) and no sound comes out on the client
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| 10:01 | <cyberorg> NeonLicht, nice, that aught to save you a lot of time ;)
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| 10:01 | <NeonLicht> hahaha, cyberorg, a lot, really XDDD
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| 10:02 | I think I'll watch all 5 seasons of Lost that way... I'll need just a couple of days or so XDD
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: what changes did you make on the client again?
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| 10:04 | <NeonLicht> 'cause, yes, cyberorg, video also plays as fast as music XDDD
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| 10:04 | Gadi: PULSE_SERVER=tcp:127.0.0.1:4713 padsp rdesktop -r sound:local:oss
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> that was in your wrapper, fight?
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| 10:05 | *right
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| 10:05 | <NeonLicht> Gadi: SCREEN_10=modiffied-rdesktop -k es -r sound:local:oss my.2003.server
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| 10:05 | Gadi, no, on the lts.conf file
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> oh, no
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| 10:05 | you need to edit the wrapper script that you have to just run:
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| 10:05 | <NeonLicht> was it supossed to go to the wrapper?
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> PULSE_SERVER=tcp:127.0.0.1:4713 padsp rdesktop $*
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| 10:05 | instead of: rdesktop $*
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| 10:06 | <NeonLicht> do PULSE_SERVER... ?
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> (sorry - should have made that clearer)
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| 10:06 | right
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| 10:06 | <NeonLicht> ko :-)
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| 10:06 | s/ko/ok
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| 10:07 | since you wrote "PULSE_SERVER=" I assumed it was a "WHATEVER=" lts.conf line XD
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:07 | <NeonLicht> Gadi: SCREEN_10=modiffied-rdesktop -k es -r sound:local:oss my.2003.server on lts.conf is ok, then or should I remove the oss reference also?
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:07 | it will be passed in with $*
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| 10:08 | <NeonLicht> right is or righ I remove it? XDD
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> remove it
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| 10:08 | it only needs to be in 1 place
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| 10:08 | and better for that place to be in lts.conf
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| 10:08 | <NeonLicht> so, do I remove it from the wrapper, then?
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> yes
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| 10:09 | <NeonLicht> ok
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> the wrapper should have: PULSE_SERVER=tcp:127.0.0.1:4713 padsp rdesktop -u '' $*
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| 10:09 | * cyberorg offers Gadi some more caffeine | |
| 10:09 | <NeonLicht> no padsp /usr/bin/rdesktop ???
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> either way
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| 10:09 | <NeonLicht> ok :-)
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> I am pretty sure /usr/bin is in PATH in the screen script environment
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| 10:09 | <NeonLicht> give me some, also, cyberorg XDD
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| 10:10 | <cyberorg> NeonLicht, you already see/hear everything too fast
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| 10:10 | <NeonLicht> rebooting the thin client again XDD
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> if it isn't, you will need: /usr/bin/padsp /usr/bin/rdesktop ...
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| 10:10 | <NeonLicht> cyberorg, come on, don't be cheap, gimme some coffee also XDD
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| 10:11 | <cyberorg> NeonLicht, didn't want you to shoot up in orbit with all this excitement, never know what additional caffeine could do to you :D
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| 10:11 | <NeonLicht> hahaha
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| 10:11 | <treyh_> Hey Gadi you still around?
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| 10:12 | <NeonLicht> yeeeeaaaahhh!!!! got some sound!!!
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| 10:12 | <treyh_> Wanted to know your suggestions of redirecting cdrom with rdesktop
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| 10:12 | <NeonLicht> thanks a lot, Gadi! we've got it!!
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| 10:13 | <Gadi> treyh_: well, the grand master plan is to have folks install ltspfs in the chroot and then add: -r disk:drives=/media/root to the rdp options
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| 10:13 | <cyberorg> NeonLicht, please put that solution somewhere on wiki
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| 10:13 | <Gadi> treyh_: it mostly works, but vagrantc seems to have problems with cdroms when doing this
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| 10:13 | if you could test it, too, that would be great
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| 10:13 | :)
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| 10:13 | <treyh_> ok I'll get that done :P
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| 10:13 | should be able to do it today
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| 10:13 | <Gadi> great
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| 10:14 | <treyh_> just need to look up how to install ltspfs
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> the idea is to use ltspfs as the automounter on the client side
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| 10:14 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfs
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| 10:14 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 10:14 | <cyberorg> Gadi, it works great, but if the non-existing floppy is enabled from bios it takes very long time to login
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| 10:14 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, CDs? yu mean play a CD placed on the Windows server and isten to it on the LTSP client?
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: no a cd in the client
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| 10:14 | show up on the windows server
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| 10:15 | <NeonLicht> I'm now listening music from a Win2003 server at about 7km appart from here XDDD
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> as a folder under a mapped drive
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| 10:15 | <NeonLicht> I'll try that, Gadi, but first I have to fetch a CD from home... most probably I'll be back to this ofice next monday...
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> well, it should apply to all removable media
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| 10:16 | <NeonLicht> Ill try an USB stick then
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| 10:17 | were is it suppossed to show up?
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> My Computer
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| 10:17 | drives on <hostname>
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| 10:18 | <NeonLicht> Your Computer? I though it would show up on mine XDDD
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> todos son comedienes
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| 10:18 | <NeonLicht> drives on <hostname>? don't know what you mean by that :-(
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| 10:19 | <Gadi> like: drives on ws0001
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| 10:19 | should be a mapped drive
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| 10:19 | <NeonLicht> oh, I see, it doesn't show anything different from the local drives on the server, I'm afraid
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| 10:19 | <Gadi> did you install ltspfs in the chroot?
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| 10:20 | and reboot the client?
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| 10:20 | oh, also, your version of ltspfs may not be new enough
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| 10:20 | <NeonLicht> no, I did not install ltspfs, since USB sticks and CDs worked fine on LDM
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:20 | so, then it shouldnt work
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| 10:20 | :)
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| 10:21 | rdesktop runs on the client
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| 10:21 | so, it doesnt help if it works on your linux server
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| 10:21 | :D
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| 10:21 | <NeonLicht> XDDD
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| 10:21 | ok, installed on the chroot and rebooting the client...
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> brb, guys
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| 10:22 | <NeonLicht> thanks a lot, Gadi, see you latter, then :-)
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| 10:26 | <treyh_> Gadi, what wsa the rdesktop command again?
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| 10:27 | (sorry don't know how to scroll up in irssi)
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| 10:27 | <NeonLicht> treyh_, PgUp / PgDown
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| 10:27 | <treyh_> i got it ty
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| 10:27 | <NeonLicht> treyh_, and also, which rdesktop command you want to know?
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| 10:28 | <treyh_> i got it, it was -r disk:drives=/media/root
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| 10:28 | I'm testing out ltspfs
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| 10:28 | <NeonLicht> do you need to add that for the USB sticks and CDs to work, then? I'm aso trying to set that up
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| 10:29 | <treyh_> Gadi suggested I put that in for cdrom's after install ltspfs
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| 10:29 | you have the command to install ltspfs?
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| 10:29 | <NeonLicht> I see, treyh_, gonna try it also...
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| 10:30 | <treyh_> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfs
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| 10:30 | <NeonLicht> treyh_, I do "aptitude install ltspfs" on the chroot on Debian GNU/Linux, which distro do you use?
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| 10:30 | <treyh_> sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 10:30 | i'm using ubuntu 8.10 intrepid
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| 10:30 | <NeonLicht> no need to update the image in Debian
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| 10:30 | no idea about Ubuntu, though
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| 10:30 | <treyh_> cool
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| 10:30 | <treyh_> yea have to in ubuntu
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| 10:31 | i'm booting the first client after install now
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| 10:31 | oops
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| 10:31 | forgot to modify lts.conf
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| 10:33 | <NeonLicht> adding "-r disk:drives=/media/root" keeps the rdesktop conection to work for me :(
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| 10:36 | it could be because I already had a -r sound option there and it doesn't take two
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| 10:41 | <treyh_> Gadi ok I tried it with no luck
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| 10:41 | for redirected drives it only shows drives on ltsp
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| 10:41 | but it's bank and I have a cdrom in the drive
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> hey there
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| 10:42 | <treyh_> -a 16 -r sound:local:alsa -r disk:drives=/media/root
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| 10:42 | thats what i have in lts.conf
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> treyh_: can you do: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l ltspfs
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| 10:42 | <treyh_> yes
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| 10:43 | want me to paste the output?
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> just the version
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| 10:43 | <treyh_> 0.5.5-0ubuntu1
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> ah prolly too old a version
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| 10:44 | you may have to upgrade to stgraber's ppa package
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| 10:45 | !stgraber-ppa
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| 10:45 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> if you add this to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 10:46 | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
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| 10:47 | <treyh_> ok added it
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> and sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update; sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfs
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 10:48 | <epsas> hmm
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| 10:48 | how do I get usb drives working on terminals
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| 10:48 | in debian ltsp
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| 10:48 | <NeonLicht> hello again
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| 10:48 | <epsas> hello
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| 10:48 | <treyh_> awesome, updating image now
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| 10:48 | <NeonLicht> epsas, you need to add LOCALDEV=True into lts.conf
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| 10:49 | <epsas> coolness
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| 10:49 | <NeonLicht> treyh_, I haven't got it working, either
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| 10:49 | treyh_, have you made any other changes?
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| 10:49 | <treyh_> read just above what Gadi just told me to do
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| 10:49 | to update strgraber's ppa package
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| 10:49 | <NeonLicht> epsas, you also need to add the user to the fuse group, I think
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| 10:49 | <treyh_> might be the same for you
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| 10:50 | <NeonLicht> treyh_, I got disconnected and cannot read that
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| 10:50 | treyh_, what did he tell you?
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: http://www.nubae.com/logs/
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| 10:50 | ;)
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| 10:50 | <treyh_> add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main to deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> #ltsp is full service
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| 10:50 | :D
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| 10:50 | <NeonLicht> hanks, Gadi :-)
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| 10:51 | <treyh_> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update; sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfs
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| 10:51 | <NeonLicht> treyh_, I don't use Ubunt
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| 10:52 | <treyh_> i know Neon
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| 10:52 | the image update is done, client is booting
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: vagrantc may have some input on whether the debs work on debian
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| 10:53 | or if he has debs for you with morw recent code
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| 10:53 | *more
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| 10:53 | he'll prolly say something like its in experimental
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| 10:53 | or some such
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| 10:53 | <NeonLicht> Gadi, ok, I'll ask vagrantc, then. He adviced me to upgrade to Lenny backports to get localapps working, which I did and worked fine
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| 10:54 | <treyh_> no luck gadi
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> grr
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| 10:54 | treyh_: can you get a shell on the terminal
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| 10:54 | <treyh_> only says, drives on ltsp and is blank
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| 10:54 | <NeonLicht> I'm upgrading everything on the chroot now...
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> *thin client
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| 10:55 | and see if cdpinger is running
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| 10:55 | <treyh_> ok sec
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> and if there are any directories under /media
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| 10:55 | <treyh_> well
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| 10:55 | how do i escape out of the rdesktop?
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| 10:55 | <pmatulis> does SSH login to a thin client alway require the thin client user to set up a deamon listening on a non-standard port?
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> pmatulis: ?
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| 10:56 | by defaul tit uses 22
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| 10:56 | *it
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| 10:56 | <NeonLicht> my /media/ dir is empty on the thin client, pmatulis
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> treyh_: set: SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
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| 10:56 | and then ctrl-alt-f2
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| 10:56 | (after you reboot the client)
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| 10:57 | NeonLicht: right
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| 10:57 | <markit> hi, with ltsp-build-client I can create the chroot environment for clients. What about, after some time, I want to update that packages (without having to reinstall everything running the same command)?
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| 10:57 | <NeonLicht> ooopppsss... not anymore after I pluged in the USB stick :-)
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| 10:57 | root subdirectory with an usb... subsubdir has shown up
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| 10:58 | <Gadi> ah, great
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| 10:58 | NeonLicht: did you add: -r disk:drives=/media/root
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| 10:58 | to your rdp options
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| 10:59 | <NeonLicht> but, as soon as I add "-r disk:drives=/media/root" the rdesktop does not connect to the win2003 server at all, the X screen remains black all foever
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| 10:59 | s/foever/forever
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| 10:59 | <Gadi> then, you typed something wrong
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| 11:00 | <NeonLicht> copy'n'paste: -r disk:drives=/media/root
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> make sure you don't have a smiley in there
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| 11:00 | :)
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| 11:00 | <NeonLicht> hahha, I don't!
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| 11:00 | <treyh_> ok cdpinger is running
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| 11:00 | no directories under /media
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> treyh_: you wouldnt happen to have a USB stick, would you?
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| 11:01 | <treyh_> yes
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> what happens if you plug that in?
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| 11:01 | <treyh_> sec, gotta ru n and grab it
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| 11:03 | <treyh_> ok plugged it in
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| 11:04 | came up with two SDA lines
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| 11:04 | drive caching write trhough ro something like that bu tno directories in /media
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| 11:04 | <Gadi> is there a /media/root ?
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| 11:04 | <treyh_> no
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| 11:05 | <NeonLicht> is there a way to add all the common RDP options on lts.conf on one place, instead of on the SCREEN_XX= line?
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| 11:06 | <treyh_> you could always use a vi replace command
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| 11:06 | :%s/-r blah blah/-r new new/g
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> or set it in RDP_OPTIONS
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| 11:06 | <treyh_> I think thats the command
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> you can use RDP_OPTIONS for the common stuff
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| 11:06 | <NeonLicht> sure, I could, but I'd prefer to make the SCREEN_XX= lines shorter :-)
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> and pass specific stuff in the SCREEN_XX line
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| 11:06 | <NeonLicht> great, Gadi, thanks!
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| 11:07 | <treyh_> oh i see what you mean
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| 11:07 | <NeonLicht> would "RDP_OPTIONS=-k es -r sound:local:oss -r disk:drives=/media/root" be ok, then?
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> yeah, but you should put quotes around the value
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| 11:08 | RDP_OPTIONS="-k es -r sound:local:oss -r disk:drives=/media/root"
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| 11:08 | <NeonLicht> ok, Gadi, thanks
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> any value with spaces should have quotes around it
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| 11:08 | <treyh_> btw Gadi I love jaunty
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> you love being jaunty?
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| 11:09 | :)
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| 11:09 | <treyh_> automatically solved several of my issues with my laptop
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| 11:09 | lol
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| 11:09 | <pmatulis> Gadi: re sshd, i want to connect directly to the client, not the server
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| 11:09 | <treyh_> no I'm the jackalope lol
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> be cool if you were double-jaunty
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| 11:10 | pmatulis: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False apt-get install ssh
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| 11:11 | <NeonLicht> great, Gadi, placing the -r disk option on "RDP_OPTIONS" instead on the SCREEN_XX lines has made the "drives on ltsp..." appear on the WinSlow server and I can now access the USB stick on it :-)
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| 11:11 | thanks a lot, Gadi
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> well, that's one working one not
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| 11:11 | :)
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| 11:11 | sigh
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| 11:11 | <treyh_> cool :P
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| 11:11 | <sspencer> I've got (I hope) a quick question re: ltsp5 and Fedora 10
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| 11:11 | <treyh_> i'll test my usb stick
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> at some point, I will need to really dive into the ltspfs code more
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| 11:11 | <treyh_> to see if it works
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| 11:12 | no luck
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> treyh_: on the shell on the client, do: ls -l /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 11:13 | <sspencer> I'm trying to change from a dhcp assigned address for the external interface to a statically assigned one
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| 11:13 | can't seem to find out where this is done after the fact
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| 11:14 | in the old days I would have just vi-ed the conf
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| 11:14 | <treyh_> ok
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| 11:14 | sec
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| 11:14 | <sspencer> but the device does not exist there
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| 11:15 | * Gadi knows not the ways of fedora 10 | |
| 11:15 | <Gadi> is there a gui?
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| 11:15 | :)
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| 11:15 | <NeonLicht> is it ok to remove an USB stick on the thin client running ltspfs on it (the thin client) after 2 secs of being used last w/o unmounting it?
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| 11:15 | <treyh_> yea networkk manager right?
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| 11:15 | <sspencer> oh yeah, but it doesn't show the interface
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> NeonLicht: yup
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| 11:15 | <treyh_> ok Gadi I did that
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| 11:16 | <NeonLicht> cool, Gadi :-)
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> treyh_: it is there and executable?
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| 11:16 | <treyh_> sspencer i think it's under
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| 11:16 | /etc/network/interface/
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| 11:16 | there are files like eth0-cfg
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| 11:16 | thats where the static ip info will go
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| 11:16 | yes Gadi
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| 11:16 | <sspencer> ok
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| 11:16 | thanks
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| 11:17 | <treyh_> yw sspencer
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| 11:17 | shows up as green
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| 11:17 | Gadi, ltspfsmounter shows up in green
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> treyh_: ls -a /tmp
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| 11:18 | any .root-ltspfs directories?
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| 11:19 | treyh_: I am assuming removable media worked in ldm, right?
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| 11:19 | <pmatulis> Gadi: LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS is rude! i always had the user launch his own SSH daemon.
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| 11:20 | <treyh_> no
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| 11:20 | <pmatulis> Gadi: is your comment the standard way for connecting to a client?
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> heh
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| 11:21 | what?
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| 11:21 | there is no ssh server running on the client normally
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| 11:22 | you need to install it
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| 11:22 | <pmatulis> Gadi: i install it on the server for normal management purposes
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> if you install on the server, you can ssh into the server
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| 11:22 | if you install in the chroot, you can ssh into the client
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| 11:23 | * alkisg wonders why "ldm" that he compiled manually is 69K while jaunty's is 22K ...:( | |
| 11:23 | <pmatulis> Gadi: once i'm logged it to a client i launch a separate sshd on a different port
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| 11:23 | Gadi: then i log in to the client
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> so, by client you mean "customer"
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| 11:24 | not thin client
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| 11:24 | <pmatulis> Gadi: no, thin client
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> ok, you lost me
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| 11:25 | :)
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| 11:25 | you log into ldm?
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| 11:25 | <pmatulis> Gadi: i did this a while back, maybe i'm confusing something
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> you are sitting at a thin client
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| 11:25 | <pmatulis> Gadi: let me test before going any further
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> you log into ldm
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| 11:25 | you have a session on the server
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| 11:25 | via ssh
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| 11:25 | now, you want to launch another sshd on a different port?
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| 11:25 | to do what?
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| 11:26 | <pmatulis> Gadi: connect to client as i remember
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> no - to connect to the client, you need sshd running on the client
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| 11:27 | which means you need to install it in the chroot
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| 11:28 | <NeonLicht> going home now, thanks a lot for all your help, Gadi, now I think those nice clients are really ready for my co-workers to use both with LDM and rdesktop. It's waaaay cool, really :-)
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> enjoy
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| 11:28 | <pmatulis> Gadi: i wonder what i did then
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| 11:29 | Gadi: k, i think i got it
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| 11:30 | Gadi: what i was doing was port forwarding to my irc client running within the session
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:31 | <pmatulis> Gadi: so not to the client itself, heh
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> too many clients - not enough money
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| 11:31 | :)
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| 11:32 | <pmatulis> Gadi: :)
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| 11:33 | Gadi: what is the definitive source for lts.conf options? i don't find lts_parameters.txt on my system. need to install Ubuntu source package?
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> wahts ur system?
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| 11:33 | ubuntu?
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| 11:33 | <pmatulis> Gadi: yes
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> should be in /usr/share/docs, I think
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| 11:34 | <pmatulis> Gadi: no, not there
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> hmm..
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| 11:35 | well, even as a definitive source, lts_parameters.txt is not 100% complete
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| 11:35 | we seem to keep adding things
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| 11:35 | stupid progress
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| 11:35 | !ubuntu
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| 11:35 | <knipwim> mine is in /usr/doc/
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| 11:35 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> maybe there's something there
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| 11:35 | :)
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| 11:36 | knipwim: on ubuntu?
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| 11:36 | <knipwim> gentoo
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> ah, gentoo
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| 11:36 | <pmatulis> knipwim: there you go
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:36 | <pmatulis> online doc?
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> we have several
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| 11:36 | :)
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| 11:36 | !docs
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| 11:36 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> !ubuntu
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| 11:36 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:36 | <pmatulis> besides the Admin manual, it doesn't seem to have everything
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> well, you can find the latest lts_parameters.txt in launchpad if nowhere else
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| 11:37 | <treyh_> any more ideas on the drive redirection Gadi?
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> treyh_: it works in ldm, right?
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| 11:39 | <treyh_> not sure
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> treyh_: ah, ok
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| 11:39 | <treyh_> only using rdesktop but I can test ldm
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> give a test of ldm, as a sanity check
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| 11:40 | make sure that works
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| 11:40 | <treyh_> this is on a laptop
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:40 | <treyh_> probably wouldn't matter right?
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> shouldnt
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| 11:40 | <treyh_> I can try another desktop also to verify everything is good
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| 11:40 | I'll try at least one more machine
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| 11:40 | and then I'll try ldm
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| 11:40 | and let you know
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> ok
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| 11:41 | <treyh_> btw ty again, you rock
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| 11:41 | <---droalt
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> I would rock more if I had time to test and fix myself
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| 11:41 | :)
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| 11:41 | <treyh_> lol no I understand
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| 11:42 | I get about 2 hours of personal time a night
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| 11:42 | where the last thing on my mind is work, linux, or fixing problems lol
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| 11:42 | I play fighterace lol (a WWII) combat simulator
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| 11:43 | if you ever need me to test something
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| 11:43 | let me know, I'll test it
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> thx
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| 11:43 | <treyh_> if you would like you can also email me things you would like tested with ltsp
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| 11:46 | <epsas> hmm
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| 11:49 | <pmatulis> with Ubuntu is it recommended to build a new client chroot from scratch when upgrading OS to a new release? i will need to re-install all chroot apps?
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| 11:50 | <epsas> if i edit the lts.conf in debian do i need to rebuild the image?
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| 11:50 | in debian lenny with backported ltsp
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> pmatulis: I think it usually is recommended to rebuild from scratch. You can always make a backup of your current chroot and try to do a dist-upgrade, but the recommended way would be from scratch
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| 11:52 | epsas: lenny doesn't use images
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| 11:52 | it uses NFS
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| 11:52 | just edit the file in place
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| 11:52 | <epsas> weird - okay
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| 11:52 | i enabled LOCALDEV and SOUND -- but no dice on either
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| 11:52 | <pmatulis> Gadi: and thus re-install any chroot apps?
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| 11:52 | <epsas> i will need to find out how to debug this situation
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> pmatulis: yeah
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| 11:53 | <pmatulis> Gadi: k
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> epsas: start with SCREEN_02=shell
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| 11:54 | and from a shell on the client, getltscfg -a
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| 11:54 | or: . /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-config
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| 11:54 | env|grep LOCALDEV
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| 11:54 | tho, localdev and sound should be enabled by default
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| 11:57 | <epsas> hmm
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| 11:57 | they are commented out with values of "False" in the default conf
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> I think that's vagrantc's way of saying they are true by default
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| 11:58 | <epsas> oh - i tried doing SCREEN_02=shell before, but the shell was overlayed ontop of a login shell
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> ah - use SCREEN_08
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| 11:58 | instead
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| 11:58 | <epsas> coolness
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> debians got getty's on 1-6
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| 11:58 | <epsas> let me retry!
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> bbiab
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| 12:17 | <offtools> hi, is local cd-writing (usb cd-writer) supported in ltsp?
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| 12:23 | <epsas> hmm
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| 12:24 | i tried placing SCREEN_01=startx and it doesn't do anything
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| 12:33 | <ogra> epsas, i think that was renamed to xdmcp
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| 12:33 | <epsas> ahh
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| 12:33 | <ogra> (though dont expect any feature to work with it, they all rely on the ssh tunnel from ldm)
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| 12:37 | <epsas> okay- i still come up with a login prompt on tty1
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> SCREEN_07 (or higher) on debian
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| 12:42 | <epsas> got it
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| 12:46 | hmm - now i just get an xcursor
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> Gadi, sorry for the constant annoying, what's the proper configure path for compiling ldm in ubuntu? ./configure --prefix=/usr ?
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> sounds about right - you could always apt-get source ldm
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| 12:46 | and check the debian/rules
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Ah right I used the trunk sorry :(
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:49 | <epsas> hmm - are we sure that SCREEN_07=xdmcp will bring up an XDM login window?
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> only if you enable gdm to accept remote connections
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| 12:51 | <epsas> what are the defaults?
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> by default, we use ldm
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| 12:51 | <epsas> it seems that if i enable a shell then the terminal doesn't start a login window
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> which only requires an ssh server on the server
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| 12:52 | <epsas> SCREEN_07=ldm?
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> yup
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| 12:52 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 12:52 | SCREEN_08=shell
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| 12:52 | should get you to a login and shell
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| 12:52 | <epsas> is this, by chance, documented anywhere? ;)
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> somewhere
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| 12:52 | :)
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| 12:53 | <epsas> heh
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| 12:53 | so - i have SOUND and LOCALDEV set to true
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| 12:53 | but neither work in the remote terminals
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| 12:53 | so I am wondering if there are libraries to install
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> is ltspfs installed on the server?
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| 12:54 | u need that for local devices
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Argh I missed the libexecdir, ./configure --prefix=/usr --libexecdir=/usr/lib thanks Gadi for the debian/rules hint
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> thats why they let me hang out here
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> Heh I wish irc allowed real beers to be transported
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| 12:58 | <treyh_> lol
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| 12:59 | <epsas> ltspfs is installed ltspfsd is not
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> good
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| 13:00 | is your user a member of the fuse group?
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| 13:00 | !localdev
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| 13:00 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> ah, there we go
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| 13:01 | :)
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| 13:01 | <epsas> excellllllent!
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| 13:01 | i guess i will need to create a fuse group
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| 13:01 | <treyh_> Ok Gadi, would you also think that, if a client only pxe boots 1 out of 5 times that it's definitely hardware?
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| 13:01 | <epsas> on the NIS master
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> treyh_: where does it get stuck?
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| 13:02 | <treyh_> doesn't pull dhcp
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> epsas: no, it must be the same as the server's system group "fuse"
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| 13:02 | same gid
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> treyh_: it just sits at DHCP.......
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| 13:03 | <treyh_> dhcp timeout
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| 13:03 | <epsas> gadi - wel, the server will need to get it's fuse group from NIS then
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> epsas: no, server has a fuse group
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| 13:03 | a local fuse group
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| 13:03 | <epsas> why can't it be an NIS group?
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> you should add the NIS users to the local fuse group
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| 13:03 | <epsas> it will be hard to add NIS users to a local group
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| 13:04 | hmm
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> it can, but you need to make the gids match
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| 13:04 | <epsas> well, i could just remove teh local fuse group
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> which may not be portable across multiple systems
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| 13:04 | <epsas> maybe
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> no
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| 13:04 | because the files are already created with its gid
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| 13:04 | adduser user fuse
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| 13:04 | <epsas> ahhh
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| 13:04 | shohot
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| 13:05 | i will need to figure out a programmatic way of keeping the user accounts in sync with the local fuse group
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| 13:05 | shoot
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> otherwise, you will need to hack the udev rules and fusermount to be setuid root
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| 13:05 | <epsas> (typing on an eeepc)
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> I tried changing ldm_wait(GPid pid) to wait for the specific pid that it was called for, and not for any child:
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| 13:38 | - res = waitid (P_ALL, 0, &info, WEXITED | WSTOPPED);
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| 13:38 | + res = waitid (P_PID, pid, &info, WEXITED | WSTOPPED);
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| 13:38 | Now it works half of the times, but sometimes it gets stack in the end of ssh_endsession:
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| 13:38 | read(ldm.sshfd, buf, sizeof buf); /* clear any exit message so ssh can exit cleanly */
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| 13:38 | Ryan52, Gadi, could you explain to me what's this "read" for? I mean, "exit" was called, so ssh is about to be terminated, is it wise to read from a possibly terminated process?
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| 13:41 | (I do have an actual problem of clients not logging out, I'm not just testing around :P :))
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| 13:42 | When this happens (hanging at read()), ssh shows as <defunct> in ps -ef...
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> OK, I changed the fd to non-blocking [fcntl(ldm.sshfd, F_SETFL, O_NONBLOCK);] and now it works OK. I'll test in the problematic lab and report if this solves all hangs.
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| 14:44 | <treyh> Gadi, I have more bad news for you, tried cdrom/usb stick on LDM and neither worked
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> thats not bad
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| 14:45 | thats good
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| 14:45 | <treyh> hwoever under /media there were two folders, cdrom and cdrom0, but neither had anything in them
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 14:46 | <treyh> want me to browse around in syslog and messages for errors?
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> sure
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| 14:46 | <treyh> n/m no errors there
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> do you have the cdrom and media stick inserted?
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| 14:47 | <treyh> well there was this
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| 14:47 | 78295
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| 14:47 | oops wrong thing
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| 14:47 | kernel: [600892.460536] ppdev0: unregistered pardevice
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> thats a windows error :P
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| 14:47 | <treyh> lol
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| 14:47 | windows is an error
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> yeah, nm that ppdev thing
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| 14:47 | I get that too
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| 14:47 | with newer kernels
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| 14:48 | unrelated
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| 14:48 | can you cat /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 14:48 | <treyh> would doing a fresh install of jaunty help out?
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 14:49 | perhaps
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| 14:49 | or before you do that
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| 14:49 | try:
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| 14:49 | <treyh> don't have a /var/run
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get upgrade
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| 14:49 | on the server
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| 14:50 | and upgrade ltsp-client and ldm
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| 14:50 | etc
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| 14:50 | <treyh> n/m i do, i'm a moron
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> maybe they all need to be newish
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| 14:50 | <treyh> there is no ltspfs_fstab in /var/run
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| 14:52 | would apt-get upgrade upgrade to jaunty?
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| 14:52 | it would upgrade the chroot to jaunty?
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:52 | but it would upgrade the ltsp packages all to stgraber's
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| 14:54 | <treyh> so I do apt-get upgrade
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| 14:54 | so I do apt-get upgrade ltsp-client
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| 14:54 | so I do apt-get upgrade ldm
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| 14:54 | ?
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| 14:54 | all with the above chroot command?
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:54 | upgrade should get all
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| 14:54 | <treyh> cool
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> (use install if you want to do them individually)
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| 14:55 | <treyh> ok upgraded
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| 14:55 | rebuilding image
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> of ltsp-update-image
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| 14:55 | cook
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| 14:55 | gah!
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| 14:55 | cool
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| 14:55 | <treyh> lol
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> *sigh*
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| 14:55 | <treyh> i can't type today either
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| 14:55 | I want you to know I really appreciate your help Gadi
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| 14:55 | I try to help other people that come in here with questions that I know the answers too
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> (don't forget apt-get update)
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> I want you to know Im married
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| 14:55 | :P
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| 14:56 | <treyh> lol
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| 14:56 | <epsas> Gadi - same here. you helped out a lot
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| 14:56 | <treyh> Married to a woman or ubuntu?
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| 14:56 | lol
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> never marry yourself to a distribution
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| 14:56 | <treyh> lol
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| 14:56 | * Gadi tries to remember the sage who told him that one | |
| 14:56 | <laga> Gadi: yeah, a cute redhat might come along
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| 14:56 | <treyh> I'm married to a woman too, almost have her converted to ubuntu
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| 14:57 | <epsas> Redhats are high maintenance
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| 14:57 | <treyh> Gadi do I need to apt-get update too?
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| 14:57 | * Gadi was unaware you could convert women into distributions | |
| 14:57 | <Gadi> whats the conversion rate?
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| 14:57 | <treyh> lol
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| 14:57 | <epsas> if you want your marriage to work, you'll have to sign contracts before you get hitched
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> treyh: if you hadnt updated recently, I would have had you update prior to upgrade
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| 14:57 | <treyh> she wants to use ubuntu but doesn't want to use wine
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> ur good
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| 14:57 | <epsas> oh my. this conversation could get mysogyninistic quick... not that i have done anything to stop it
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> update refreshes apt's knowledge of whats out there
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| 14:58 | <treyh> I'll update for good measure
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> lol
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| 14:58 | <treyh> no wait did that earlier
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| 14:58 | just a couple hours
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| 14:59 | ok image, rebooting client
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| 15:03 | no luck
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| 15:05 | so you think a jaunty fresh install might do the trick?
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| 15:06 | <treyh> I'm not opposed to switching directly to debian either, Just am much more familiar with ubuntu
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| 15:06 | <Mip5> Afternoon folks - I'm still having trouble getting the nvidia drivers working in the thin client. Do they need to be installed on the server too, or just the chroot?
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> you and me both
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| 15:06 | treyh: give jaunty a whirl
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| 15:07 | make sure localdev in ldm is good
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| 15:07 | <treyh> will do that now :P
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> then do what we did with installing lltspfs in the chroot
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| 15:08 | and seeing if rdesktop -r ... works
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| 15:08 | <treyh> k
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> it could be just something with that image or with intrepid or something
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| 15:08 | or with the code
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| 15:08 | :)
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| 15:08 | <treyh> my laptop crashed so I need to redo my howto guide anywayz
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> but, cyberorg and NeonLicht tell me its working
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| 15:09 | so, hey
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| 15:09 | preolly just needs ironing
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| 15:09 | <treyh> just needs ironing?
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> you know, like wrinkled slacks
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| 15:09 | <treyh> lol
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> I thought you were married
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| 15:09 | :P
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| 15:10 | <treyh> yea but my wife irons mine
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| 15:10 | lol
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> wow
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| 15:10 | and you wanted to convert her into a distribution
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| 15:10 | * Gadi would like to see a distro do that | |
| 15:10 | <treyh> lol
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| 15:11 | <Lns> h2v (human to virtual) ?
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| 15:11 | <treyh> lol
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| 15:11 | flesh to iso
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| 15:11 | <Lns> hehe
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| 15:11 | i think they have that already
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| 15:11 | <treyh> lol
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| 15:11 | i do't have time to upgrade today
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| 15:12 | so what i'm going to do is delete the chroot
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| 15:12 | and rerun buildclient
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| 15:19 | <treyh> take that back, i'll just redo it tomorrow, i'm lazy
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| 15:19 | converting a wife into a distro is hard work
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| 15:19 | <loather> hans reiser tried to convert his wife into a filesystem
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| 15:20 | didn't work out too well for him ... :D
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| 15:38 | <treyh> lol
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| 16:48 | <Mip5> Hi folks - I'm still working on this nvidia thing. I've just installed the drivers into the server chroot, but lsmod | grep nvidia doesn't reveal them.
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| 16:57 | <Mip5> I can see evidence of the module in /lib/modules/2.6-24-24-generic
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| 17:00 | I'm wondering whether rebuilding the clients would be the way to it into their kernel.
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> if it's a kernel module, you'll need it installed in the chroot
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| 17:01 | i.e. it should be in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/...
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| 17:23 | <Mip5> vagrantc - I tried that, but it doesn't appear to be there (unless I don't know how to view it)
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| 17:23 | Well - I should say that I tried to install it using apt-get while in chroot.
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| 17:28 | Okay - I just cat'd /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6-24-24-generic/modules.dep, and grepped for nvidia
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| 17:29 | I'll keep plugging away - thanks all.
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| 19:26 | <alyoshka> Is it possible to have LTSP serve Windows images to diskless nodes?
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| 19:28 | <loather-work> what, you mean view remote windows boxes, or actually have the terminals themselves run windows?
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| 19:28 | <alyoshka> I mean the diskless nodes would boot a Windows image provided by the LTSP server running on Linux
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| 19:30 | kind of the way Neoware worked, though it had the server on Windows AFAIR
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| 19:31 | I want the client part to be the same, like just booting and logging in to Windows, but the actual terminal server running Linux
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| 19:43 | <alyoshka> looked around, and I gues DRBL might be what I'm looking for rather than LTSP
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