IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:06 | <alkisg> Non-ltsp-related: Why does this work: test=$(echo "/path/to/a/file" | tr '/' '\\')
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| 00:06 | and this doesn't? : test=`echo "/path/to/a/files" | tr '/' '\\'`
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| 00:18 | <Ryan52> because you should always use $()
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| 00:18 | :P
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| 00:19 | maybe check the POSIX standard?
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| 00:25 | <alkisg> Ryan52: I thought `` was more compatible than (). OK then, why does this work when I'm in bash, but in sh it expand the result causing chaos?
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| 00:25 | $ test=$(echo /path/to/a/file | tr '/' '\\')
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| 00:25 | $ echo $test
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| 00:25 | \path o
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| 00:25 | ile
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| 00:26 | Or, more to the point, how can I convert slashes to backslashes in sh? :(
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| 00:27 | <Ryan52> wtf, no clue. :P
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| 00:28 | <alkisg> I can convert slashes to anything else but backslashes... :( :(
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| 00:28 | Argh ok I'll switch to sed instead of tr!
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| 00:29 | <Ryan52> sed didn't work.
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| 00:29 | * Ryan52 tried that | |
| 00:29 | <Ryan52> eh, time for sleep, bye.
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| 00:29 | <alkisg> Oups, no, it's ok
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| 00:29 | It's just that the last "echo $test" that's wrong
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| 00:30 | With `set` I can see that test is ok
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| 00:30 | Thanks Ryan52, goodnight.
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| 00:33 | <alkisg> Ryan52: success!!!
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| 00:33 | alkisg@alkis:/usr/share/mime$ test=`echo "/path/to/a/file/" | sed -e 's/\//\\\\/g'`
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| 00:33 | alkisg@alkis:/usr/share/mime$ echo $test
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| 00:33 | \path\to\a\file\
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| 00:33 | :P
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| 00:36 | <cyberorg> echo "/path/to/a/file/" | sed -e 's@\/@\\@g' looks nice :)
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| 00:37 | <alkisg> Heh, yeah, looks better.
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| 00:41 | <alkisg> cyberorg: an idea about the live dvd that you might find interesting: the latest testing version of dnsmasq can act as a proxydhcp. So, if the live dvd included it, it could make clients boot off of a single NIC PC in a network with an existing dhcp server!
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| 00:41 | (with a dynamic ip). proxydhcp = sends boot filename etc but no ip lease.
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| 00:42 | That would make it possible to work without changing anything in the network - no wiring, no dhcp, no static IPs...
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| 00:44 | <cyberorg> alkisg, any docs howtos somewhere?
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| 00:44 | <alkisg> cyberorg: It's not beta yet; so all that exists are some mails in the dnsmasq list. I've tried it and it worked fine with all the 6 bootable NICs I had.
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| 00:44 | Let me give you the link...
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| 00:45 | <cyberorg> alkisg, the live DVD is fully preconfigured, including dhcpd, but it would require disabling one dhcpd in the network
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| 00:46 | <alkisg> cyberorg: but it also uses a static ip, doesn't it?
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| 00:46 | <cyberorg> yes, that is preconfigured too
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| 00:47 | <alkisg> So the clients can't test how firefox fares, right?
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| 00:47 | <cyberorg> we need static IP for ltsp server otherwise ssh key thing will not work
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| 00:47 | <alkisg> The first message is in http://lists.thekelleys.org.uk/pipermail/dnsmasq-discuss/2009q1/002862.html
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| 00:47 | <cyberorg> of course client can run firefox
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| 00:47 | <alkisg> cyberorg: if you put the correct LDM_SSHOPTIONS you don't need a static ip
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| 00:47 | cyberorg: but with a static IP (192.168.0.x?) how will he access the internet?
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| 00:48 | <cyberorg> LDM does not connect to unknown host, if the server IP is dynamic how will it work?
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| 00:48 | <alkisg> CheckHostIP no StrictHostKeyChecking no LogLevel SILENT
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| 00:48 | For a live dvd I can't think it will be a security problem
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| 00:48 | <cyberorg> bad for security?
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| 00:49 | <alkisg> It just allows live clients to connect to whatever server without authentication
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| 00:49 | What are they going to do, reveal the live dvd password :)
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| 00:50 | <cyberorg> ok, this would require additional configuration on dhcpd that is already running?
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> Not at all
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| 00:52 | Just a simple script to get the IP on the PC that the live DVD runs and put it in dnsmasq.conf. That's all, no changes to any other PCs on the network, no dhcpd server, no 2 NICs, no network topology changes, nothing.
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| 00:53 | I really wish that was an option in standard ltsp (it'll never be for security reasons, I know...)
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| 00:53 | <cyberorg> where is that script run?
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| 00:54 | <alkisg> When dnsmasq is started - I don't know when suse brings up its services.
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| 00:54 | <cyberorg> in live DVD we run script to get IP of live session and put it in dnsmasq.conf?
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| 00:55 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 00:55 | dnsmasq requires a single line to act as a proxydhcp, e.g. : dhcp-range=10.160.31.0,proxy
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| 00:55 | So you have to provide the network id before starting dnsmasq
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| 00:55 | <cyberorg> sounds easy enough :)
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| 00:56 | <alkisg> Yes, I use it to demonstrate ltsp with my laptop
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| 00:56 | I go to a fellow teacher lab and I demonstrate ltsp without touching anything in his lab
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| 00:56 | <cyberorg> so add that line and start dnsmasq, we can leave out static IP configuration and dhcpd out completely, sounds great
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| 00:57 | <cyberorg> what happens in case there is no second dhcp server available?
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| 00:57 | <alkisg> And if dhclient failed to get an ip, you may generate a slightly different dnsmasq.conf to make it act as a normal dhcp server
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| 00:58 | So it can easily be fully automatic
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| 00:58 | <cyberorg> do you have any script hacked up that does it?
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| 00:58 | <alkisg> Nope :) I will do it when the next stable dnsmasq version gets out, though.
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| 00:59 | <cyberorg> when is that? :)
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| 01:00 | <alkisg> I don't know... They're trying to make it work with gPXE now, I don't think it'll take them much time.
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| 01:00 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 01:01 | dnsmasq (2.47) current version is this in our repo
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| 01:03 | <alkisg> Right now only by compiling the sources you can get a version that supports acting as a proxydhcp. http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/test-releases/dnsmasq-2.48test13.tar.gz
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| 01:03 | <cyberorg> yes saw that
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| 01:05 | alkisg, thanks, added this to my todo list :)
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| 01:05 | <alkisg> cyberorg: well, if it ever gets to the live DVD, I'll be thanking you for enabling us to really easily demonstrate ltsp. :)
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| 01:06 | <cyberorg> alkisg, current DVD is also extremely easy to demonstrate, it just need no other dhcpd running :)
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| 01:07 | <alkisg> cyberorg: how does it get connected to the internet if it uses a static ip?
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| 01:07 | Does it require 2 NICs?
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| 01:08 | <cyberorg> single or multiple nics can be used, for single nic setup you need gateway on the network, configure that nic accordingly
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| 01:09 | multiple nic is more straightforward
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| 01:09 | <alkisg> But if I configure the nic won't the clients deny to connect to it?
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| 01:09 | <cyberorg> ltsp server can act as a gateway
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| 01:09 | alkisg, no :)
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| 01:09 | <alkisg> Yes, but not all labs have a 2 nic server
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| 01:09 | (I'm talking about a 1-nic server)
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| 01:10 | <cyberorg> you can change IP to whatever you need, running kiwi-ltsp-setup -c corrects the ssh keys
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| 01:11 | alkisg, resistance is futile, get the DVD and give it a run :D
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| 01:11 | <alkisg> cyberorg: and what about dhcp server? won't that need changing too?
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| 01:11 | <cyberorg> alkisg, everything is taken care of according to the network configuration you do
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| 01:11 | <alkisg> cyberorg: I will - just after I finish writing the jaunty ltsp installation manual (greek)
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| 01:12 | <cyberorg> it wouldn't take more than 10 minutes to check it out and be awed by it ;)
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| 01:13 | <alkisg> I don't have a lab to test it on right know - we have 15 days off (easter holidays)
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| 01:13 | But I surely will :)
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| 01:14 | <cyberorg> you should be enjoying holidays by not being on IRC :)
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| 01:15 | <alkisg> Too much work to do - holidays even won't be enough to finish it :(
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| 01:15 | cyberorg: is that the one? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/openSUSE-Edu-KIWI-LTSP-live.i686-0.2.4-Build1.1.iso
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| 01:15 | <cyberorg> if you are downloading right now, get the one with -unstable in it, i've added a lot of collaboration stuff nubae asked for
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| 01:16 | <alkisg> Ah, ok
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| 01:16 | <cyberorg> first time i saw abiword collaboration, really cool
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| 01:16 | <alkisg> thanks!
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| 01:16 | I've seen it but I've never tried it with students
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| 01:17 | <cyberorg> you can run it in VM just get the feel of it, use your laptop as thin client :)
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| 01:19 | <alkisg> I do have 3 pcs at home, I'll try it with them. And I did want to try SuSE, I've only seen it once 4 years before :(
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| 01:20 | <cyberorg> a word of warning though, you might fall in love with it after prolonged usage
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| 01:23 | <alkisg> :)
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| 07:14 | <maginot> is there any problem if the server have a different kernel version then the client?
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| 07:15 | <ogra> well there is usually never a need to not use the distro kernels on the client
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| 07:15 | at least ubuntu krenels re tweakable by 90% without recompiling them
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| 07:19 | <maginot> ogra, I'm using 2.6.28.8 on server and 2.6.27 on client (default from build-client)
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| 07:20 | <ogra> why do you use a selfcompiled kernel on the server ?
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| 07:21 | thats a huge maintenance effort to keep up with security holes
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| 07:21 | * ogra wouldnt do that | |
| 07:21 | <maginot> ogra, I tweaked for Xeon support, 32gb memory support, I deactivated some stuffs that arent going to be used, like bluetooth, wirelless lan, sound (no sound card on server)... things like that... so I did all on the last source I could get
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| 07:22 | I have to admit that the only issue I'm having until now is the client issue with jetdirect printing, beside that is all going fine
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| 07:22 | <ogra> but you know that there are ubuntu distro kernels that support up to 64G right ? and that all the other stuff is modular and can be blacklisted in a text configuration
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| 07:22 | <maginot> 23 users and 0.3 of load average O.o
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| 07:23 | <ogra> really, using your own kernel usually means to recompile at least once a month to keep up with security
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| 07:23 | <maginot> ogra, those who do support for high memory aren't 64bits kernels ?
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| 07:23 | <ogra> no
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| 07:23 | <maginot> interesting
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| 07:23 | <ogra> sudo apt-get install linux-server
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| 07:23 | that brings 64G support
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| 07:23 | <maginot> didnt know ... and I did search for that =/
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| 07:24 | i cant believe that
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| 07:24 | damn it
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| 07:25 | <ogra> bluetoot, wlan drivers and sound can be disabled in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist files (run update-initramfs -u afterwards)
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| 07:25 | that way you will get all security fixes still and have the tewaks you wanted
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| 07:25 | *tweaks
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| 07:26 | <maginot> realy didnt know that... and cypher still says that ignorance is a bless haha ;)
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| 07:27 | * maginot thinking of what is going to do... | |
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| 07:33 | <maginot> ogra, now that I did what I did and knowing what you told, if I apt-get install linux-server now I suppose that a new kernel from repositore was going to be installed right ?
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| 07:34 | <ogra> right
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| 07:39 | <maginot> ogra, okay, one more thing... I did ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp_new and all went fine, to the clients start using this build I have to first set in dhcpd.conf or change the /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img for /opt/ltsp_new/images/i386.img, right ?
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| 07:43 | <maginot> Im asking you that, cause I have a client saying that is booting in "other server" different from the one he was booting... lsof /opt/ltsp_new/images/i386.img show 3 nbd-server with user nobody using the image...
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| 07:58 | <stgraber> ogra: still around ?
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| 07:59 | ogra: would it be possible to force the conffile stuff to be triggered from pre/post inst ?
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| 07:59 | <ogra> busy with Rc stuff, but yes
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| 07:59 | i pinged slangasek about it already, lets take it to the other channel
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| 07:59 | <stgraber> ogra: as in, trigger it if it's amd64, we have the standard dhcpd.conf and /opt/ltsp/i386 exists and /opt/ltsp/amd64 doesn't ?
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| 08:00 | ogra: that should solve the issue for upgraders
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| 08:00 | <ogra> no, that will break on next upgrade
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| 08:00 | <maginot> ogra, sorry to bother you with that, but can you answer what I ask above?
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| 08:01 | <stgraber> ogra: well, no. Because the user will have done the choice to keep its dhcpd.conf with i386 in it when upgrading to the new package, so next upgrade he'll get the conffile prompt but that's what we want because he "modified" the conf file as in not using the stock one
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| 08:02 | <ogra> really lets discuss that with slangasek
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| 08:02 | (and probably a bit later, i'm *rally* busy atm)
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| 08:04 | <stgraber> ogra: I guess that should be discussed in the release chan, can you join when you have a sec ?
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| 08:05 | ogra: I'm also quite busy at the moment so the sooner we can discuss it the better because otherwise I'll start working on other things and you'll be asleep when I get back :)
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| 08:20 | <maginot> I can't understand that, where is ltsp pointing to the image, I made ltsp-build-client with --base poiting to other folder them /opt/ltsp and now its only booting the new image
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| 08:44 | <X-TaZ> Hi there :)
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| 08:45 | Do you know any way to kill ghosts users ? I mean, users who have not logged out properly. It appears server think they are still connected ...
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| 08:48 | <Appiah> gnome-watchdog ?
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| 08:48 | or by hand
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, kill `ps -fu username | awk 'NR != 1 {print $2}'`
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| 08:48 | <Appiah> man skill
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| 08:49 | <X-TaZ> Could you ttell me what this command do ?
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| 08:50 | <cyberorg> it kills all processes of user specified
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| 08:50 | <X-TaZ> Isnt it an automated script that detects ghosts users and does kills all proces + logs out user ?
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| 08:51 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, thats what Appiah pointed at
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| 08:52 | <X-TaZ> Ok i'll take a look. Thank you 2
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| 08:57 | <maginot> pkill -u user?
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| 08:58 | <X-TaZ> gnome-watchdog is perfect :)
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| 08:59 | Well, a last question: My clients /home is potentially 70GB ( witch is the total amount of free space on my server ). How do I set the /home to 5 GB per user ?
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| 09:01 | * ogra thought to avoid gnome-watchdog ldm got the LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION lts.conf setting | |
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| 09:18 | <Appiah> what what whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
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| 09:18 | since when was LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION there?
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| 09:19 | X-TaZ there is Quota for linux
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| 09:19 | oh nvm he left
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| 09:25 | <ogra> Appiah, since a year or so
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| 09:26 | <Appiah> well I be damned
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| 10:18 | <rjune> davidj, ping
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| 10:19 | <davidj> rjune: pong
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| 10:19 | <rjune> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/207/207.css&page=0 <-- you ever see css zen garden?
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| 10:26 | <davidj> rjune: Never seen it. It is an impressive demonstration of what CSS can do.
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| 10:27 | <rjune> yes
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| 10:27 | yes it is
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| 10:29 | <davidj> Let's continue off-channel.
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| 11:26 | <dmarkey> stgraber: hello
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| 11:57 | * Lns waves to fellow LTSPers | |
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| 12:08 | <nubae1> hi there Lns
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| 12:09 | <Lns> wassup nubae1
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| 12:09 | <nubae1> just writing an article about using open suse build service to build packages
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| 12:18 | <Lns> cool
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| 12:28 | <richard_parker_v> Hi. we've got ltsp5 running on an ubuntu 8.1 server. Having a config problem with older hardware. All of our newer desktops work great as clients, but we have several older ones--which were really the targets and purpose of the ltsp effort, which are not working correctly. We can boot them, get a shell working, but X crashes. I can start X from a shell (using "X") and run xeyes, but any application requiring keyboard input crashes. One one of the
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| 12:33 | <nubae1> Lns: http://www.nubae.com/easy-packaging-with-opensuse-s-build-service
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| 12:35 | <epsas> hello
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| 12:36 | Hmm
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| 12:36 | <Lns> hey epsas
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| 12:36 | <epsas> so I am running into issues setting up dhcp to use different desktop servers depending on IP
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| 12:38 | <Lns> richard_parker_v: have you looked at the client logs?
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| 12:43 | <richard_parker_v> lns: yes. The logs indicate that xorg opens two keyboards even though I've only got one. I've tried to delete one with hal-device, but that didn't work.
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| 12:48 | <Lns> richard_parker_v: was that a critical x error??
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| 12:55 | <richard_parker_v> lns: the X error does not occur during startup, it occurs when an X client is started (ie, when xterm is started when startx is used).
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| 12:56 | <Lns> richard_parker_v: so what do the client logs say when during normal startup and X doesn't launch ?
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| 12:57 | <richard_parker_v> lns: I can get X to launch (using
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| 12:58 | lns: I can get X to launch (using 'X', not 'startx') and it stays up. If I start xeyes, it stays up. if I start xterm, it crashes.
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| 12:59 | lns: This is all on the client, by the way, after I boot from ltsp and get to a shell ("SCREEN_04=shell" in lts.conf
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| 13:00 | <Lns> richard_parker_v: have you taken out your lts.conf option ? does it work then?
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| 13:01 | richard_parker_v: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting - take a look at this, that's what i'm talking about
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| 13:01 | <richard_parker_v> lns: if i let it try to load ldm (no "SCREEN_xx" in lts.conf), it starts X (X cursor shows, mouse works); it then goes in a loop. I've looked at the code and I think it is because the code thinks the client has had an ldm session, logged out and then it tries to reload ldm, which does the same thing, etc.
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| 13:03 | lns: with regard to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting -- I've done that; it's the other way I get to client level shell.
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| 13:04 | <Lns> richard_parker_v: so are you saying the client logs in /var/log say NOTHING about your looping X session during normal startup?
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| 13:14 | <davidj> rjune
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| 13:17 | <richard_parker_v> lns: i'll look again, but all other log messages seem innocuous -- except for the one in Xorg.7.log that shows the X crash ("Saw signal 4", etc) It's the same thing that happens when I use the "SCREEN_xx" approach except doing the latter I was able to isolate the launching of X and xeyes and then the crash when xterm is started.
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| 13:27 | <richard_parker_v> lns: A week or so ago I found a reference to a problem under Gentoo that seems suspiciously similar to what I'm experiencing. That was with Xorg 1.4.98 and apparently going base to xorg 1.3 was solving the problems. We've got xorg 1.5.2; I'm not sure how to take Xorg back to 1.3 without breaking the package dependencies...
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| 13:28 | <Lns> richard_parker_v: it really sounds like a hardware/driver issue to me since your newer clients work fine
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| 13:29 | richard_parker_v: are all of your old boxen the same h/w?
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| 13:29 | what video chipset?
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| 13:29 | Have you done all chroot/server updates?
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| 13:30 | <tadeu_> guys, i want a lightweight workstation desktop, can i force a gnome theme to the clients ? and set less colors
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| 13:30 | <richard_parker_v> lns: hardware/config problem exactly. I know X will work because I installed debian with X on it and it works fine. That is an older xorg, however. Chipset: S3 Virge; chroot apt-get updates all the most recent as of about a week ago.
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| 13:32 | * Lns shrugs | |
| 13:32 | <Lns> you got me :)
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| 13:32 | hang out though, maybe someone more familiar w/8.10 can chime in if they know something
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| 13:34 | <richard_parker_v> lns: from what you know, is reverting back to xorg 1.3 possible or is it as ugly as I think it is? I don't want to go through the pain and then find that it still doesn't work. Maybe I'll set up a different chroot for the older boxes?
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| 13:35 | <Lns> richard_parker_v: IIWY I'd hunt down the real issue and try to fix it instead of reverting to an older version
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| 13:36 | richard_parker_v: It'd probably be pretty ugly imho
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> richard_parker_v, so, if you completely remove your keyboard (or try a usb one) and put ldm_autologin in lts.conf you can login without crashing?
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| 13:49 | <tadeu_> i want a lightweight workstation desktop, can i force a gnome theme to the clients ? and set less colors.. any idea ?
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| 13:49 | <nubae> tadeu_: I'd look into using xfce (xubuntu)
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| 13:49 | as your base
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| 13:51 | <tadeu_> nubae, in fact i'd like to force a light gnome theme to the clients
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| 13:52 | <Lns> tadeu_: maybe in gconf under /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme ?
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| 13:52 | <nubae> is there really that much difference between gnome themes?
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| 13:53 | <Lns> nubae: not sure about realworld numbers..but i've heard some themes are faster than others...
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| 13:53 | i'm sure it depends on the amount of shading/pixmaps/etc used vs. plain colors, etc.
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| 13:58 | <richard_parker_v> alkisg: I haven't tried ldm_autologin because I've figured that because X is crashing it wouldn't make any difference. It might though. I've tried other ps/2 keyboards but haven't tried a usb one. I don't think we even have one here. Even the newer workstations use ps/2 keyboards.
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> richard_parker_v: ok, but if it's a keyboard problem, and you remove the keyboard, shouldn't it work?
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| 13:59 | Even without autologin you'll be able to see the ldm screen
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| 13:59 | (which does have an input control)
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| 14:01 | <woot> Hi there :)
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| 14:09 | <Lns> hi woot
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| 14:09 | <richard_parker_v> alkisg: interesting idea. I'd tried different keyboards, but not zero keyboards. Didn't work though. Same result. Note that the hardware DOES work, I've got it booting with a hard drive installation of debian/gnome and it works fine, though slow--which is of course why we're trying to make ltsp work. And X and xeyes work, just nothing that requires a keyboard. So I don't have bad hardware, but I definitely have some configuration or hardware/xorg
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| 14:10 | My next step is to install ubuntu 8.1 on the workstation and see if I get the same result and/or if I can isolate the problem better whilst the same packages and versions are being used from the same repository.
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| 14:11 | <ogra> did you pastebin your Xorg.0.log from a running client anywhere ?
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| 14:11 | and do you have anything in your lts.conf
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| 14:16 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: yes, except it is running debian and a different version of xorg.
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| 14:16 | <ogra> no, did you capture Xorg.log from a running client so we could it inspect :)
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| 14:16 | i'm not asking about debian ... xorg is completely different and quite old there
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| 14:18 | also show us your lts.conf if you added anything beyond one/two lines
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| 14:18 | !paste
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| 14:18 | <ltspbot> ogra: "paste" is try !pastebot
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| 14:18 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 14:18 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:20 | <ogra> what are the HW specs of the clients ? (ram, cpu, videoram)
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| 14:34 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: its an older box, of course: ram 106, videoram: 2, cpu is an intel running at 200megs. The lts.conf setup includes a swap server; I played with various X_color_depth and xserver (using s3virge and vesa, for example) and xkb... options, but they don't make any difference with respect to this problem. I can post the xorg.6.log and ldm.log (which isn't that interesting).
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| 14:35 | <ogra> oh, thats pretty much on the edge
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| 14:35 | and 2M videoram might not be enough
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| 14:36 | did you try completely without lts.conf ?
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| 14:37 | thats usually the first thing you should try ... leave everything to the autodetection
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| 14:37 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: without lts.conf: yes;
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| 14:37 | <ogra> also what kind of plug does your KBD use ? i wonder if hal does know about pre PS2 kbds
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| 14:38 | i would assume it does, but i dont know anyone who has ever used an old AT kbd with the new xorg
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| 14:42 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: its a PS/2 keyboard, not the really old AT plug in
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| 14:42 | <ogra> ah, at least that :)
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| 14:43 | well, your xorg.6.log should be pretty intresting ... from a boot completely without lts.conf
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| 14:44 | <Lns> ogra: Maybe this is just for hardy, but I thought you had to have at least an existing lts.conf w/ [default] in it, if nothing else..?
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| 14:45 | <ogra> nope
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| 14:45 | there is code to catch the empty lts.conf issue at least in hardy and intrepid i'm sure about that
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| 14:46 | <richard_parker_v> i can verify that: a non-existent lts.conf is okay under intrepid.
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| 14:49 | ogra: I mentioned before you came on, I think, that xorg identifies two keyboards as an ltsp client but only one under the debian setup. I tried to use hal-device to make one go away, but that approach didn't work.
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| 14:51 | <ogra> do you have an xorg.conf lying around in your chroot ?
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| 14:53 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: not sure what you mean, but I've tried it without an xorg.conf there and with. I can post the xorg.conf I'm using; there's not much to it.
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| 14:54 | <ogra> there shouldnt be one at all
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| 14:54 | that might confuse hal
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| 14:54 | xorg should autodetect everything on boot
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| 14:56 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: hmm. I added the xorg.conf because I was not getting the screen resolution on my newer boxes that I should/can get, so the xorg was to specify certain things to make that work--which it did. I think I tried the older box without xorg.conf, but now I'm not sure. I'll post the files and then clear out xorg.conf and see if that works.
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| 14:57 | <ogra> use lts.conf to specify such things
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| 14:58 | * ogra needs to be in a conf call for the next hour and after that in an IRC meeting in #ubuntu-meeting for another hour ... sorry, but i'll be unresponsive now | |
| 14:59 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: yes, I probably should -- habits from pre ltsp days. I'll post the logs.
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| 15:05 | <ltsppbot> "richard_parker_va" pasted "Xorg.7.log" (492 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/301
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| 15:14 | <ogra> it only sets up one kbd (and closes that after the segfault)
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| 15:15 | in any case your xserver dies ... but not caused by the kbd
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| 15:18 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: I forgot. When I added the XKB... options in lts.conf a few days ago, it stopped the two keyboard thing, but did not solve the problem. I'm booting now without xorg.conf.
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| 15:33 | <maginot> Ioctl/1.1a - Bad descriptor ... and client doesnt boot... why is that (only happening in one client)
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| 15:36 | <richard_parker_v> maginot: we had that. It is probably a problem with older net cards and nbd not getting along. Install nfs.
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| 15:36 | maginot: less secure, but it makes it work.
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| 15:37 | <maginot> Hmm is just one client that this is happening, and this client its equal to 30 other clients =/
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| 15:55 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: removing xorg.conf made it worse. X didn't even start. see pasted xorg.7.log and our xorg.conf below.
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| 15:55 | <ltsppbot> "richard_parker_va" pasted "Xorg.7.log with no xorg.conf" (235 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/302
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| 15:56 | <ltsppbot> "richard_parker_va" pasted "xorg.conf" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/303
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| 15:58 | <ogra> its an issue with the s3virge driver ... it doesnt have your pci id, tries to fall back to fbdev and doesnt manage to claim a framebuffer device
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| 16:10 | <richard_parker_v> ogra: tried to force xserver=vesa with lts.conf and get the same result.
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| 16:10 | <ogra> you also need CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 17:32 | <mart_n> on my ltsp install, firefox can't be launch on two terminal at the same time... Any ideas how to bypass this?
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| 17:34 | <Lns> mart_n: are you using the same user for both terminals?
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| 17:35 | <mart_n> no
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| 17:35 | ... :-\ maybe
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| 17:36 | I'll check that... oups sorry
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| 17:36 | <Lns> ;)
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| 17:48 | <mart_n> what is the path to the file where we put the association mac adress - guest user?
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| 17:49 | <Lns> mart_n: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 17:49 | <mart_n> thanks a lot Lns
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| 17:49 | <Lns> np =)
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| 17:51 | ooo, 'slay' is a nice little util to kick users out from the cmdline =) didn't know that worked on ltsp
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> Lns: "pkill -u $USER" also works nicely.
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| 18:08 | <Lns> vagrantc: ah, you and your standardized methodology ;)
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| 18:08 | pkill doesn't have a "Butthead mode", now does it??
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> well, it's got to have some flaw.
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| 18:10 | <Lns> ha
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| 22:22 | <slashdotfx> hi, anyone had the latest xterminator code?
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| 22:23 | I'm running jaunty, and install xterminator, but it didn't kill the process sucessfully
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| 22:23 | <slashdotfx> or is there any method how to kill previous process upon login?
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| 23:13 | <cyberorg> slashdotfx, "ogra thought to avoid gnome-watchdog ldm got the LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION lts.conf setting"
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