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Channel log from 18 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:00 | <chupacabra> happy birthday to me
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| 01:43 | <toscalix> jajaja
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| 02:15 | <dean_za> is updating the kenels inside the chroot recomended ?
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| 02:27 | <generic> hi all i have install ltsp5 in kubuntu al good i enable usb its working but when i copy some docs from thin client to win XP its not there i have to copy 2-3 times then its open in XP
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| 02:27 | any idea?
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| 03:18 | <Comete> hi
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| 03:26 | <Comete> how can i know if a started thinclient uses its own swap or nbd_swap ?
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| 04:29 | <Comete> ls
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| 04:29 | oops :)
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| 04:35 | <generic> guys how i send A3 printing from thin client using open office
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| 04:35 | ?
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| 04:39 | <toscalix> hi
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| 04:40 | I'm trying to mount sata local device in ltsp 4.2 with debian 4.0The kernel for the client is 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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| 04:40 | but there is no modules for sata
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| 04:40 | in this kernel
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| 04:40 | am I missing something or
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| 04:40 | I'm doing something wrong?
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| 04:42 | do I have to include them by hand?
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| 05:00 | <toscalix> i found it
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| 05:00 | done
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| 05:32 | <Nubae> hey, has ltsp been ported to any of the bsds?
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| 05:33 | <rjune> historically LTSP is more a configuration then anything else.
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| 05:33 | so yes.
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| 05:33 | you can install it and run it on BSD
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| 05:33 | it's been installed and run on wind32
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| 05:34 | <Nubae> really on win32?
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| 05:34 | but what I meant is, has someone already packaged it like for debian/ubuntu/suse/fedora?
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| 05:35 | <rjune> no
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| 05:36 | later stuff would require actual porting
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| 05:36 | ltsp4.x is the only version I'm aware of that's been run on anything other then linux
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| 05:36 | well, pre ltsp4
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| 05:36 | <Nubae> k, cool, might be worth trying to run 5.0 on freebsd
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| 05:37 | <rjune> viele gluck
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| 05:37 | <Nubae> heh...
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| 05:37 | <rjune> easier to do on bsd then on win32
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| 05:38 | <Nubae> I imagine :-)
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| 05:45 | <chrisjrob> any of you have sound working via rdesktop connecting to w2k3 on ltsp5?
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| 05:58 | <alkisg> chrisjrob, yes, I have
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| 05:58 | <chrisjrob> is that from a screen script or from within a normal ltsp session?
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| 05:58 | <alkisg> Well, the screen script works ok,
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| 05:59 | in a normal session the sound is played on the ltsp server, but***
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| 05:59 | ...let me found the command....
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| 05:59 | padsp rdesktop -r sound:local host
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| 05:59 | To redirect the sound to the client
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| 06:00 | <chrisjrob> thanks, that's fantastic to know it's does work...
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| 06:00 | <alkisg> But you waste bandwidth this way...
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| 06:00 | Better to do it either with the script, or as a local app inside the ltsp session
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| 06:01 | <chrisjrob> Great pointers. For some reason padsp rdesktop -r sound:local bombs out with
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| 06:02 | rdesktop: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
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| 06:02 | as soon as sound is played within the rdesktop session
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> hmm, I've no details here, just found the tip, tried it, it worked for me and that was all, I don't use rdesktop because I don't have ts cal licenses!! :)
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| 06:03 | <chrisjrob> At least I know it *can* work - I will just have to persevere and/or try the alternatives you suggested!
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> Ubuntu 8.04
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| 06:04 | <chrisjrob> Thanks alkisg.
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| 06:04 | <alkisg> chrisjrob, you'll need gigabyte connection between ltsp/windows servers for this,
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| 06:04 | better try the alternatives. You're welcome.
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| 06:07 | <chrisjrob> Thanks alkisg, we have gb, and all Windows sounds are switched off, so it *should* only be used occasionally
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| 06:07 | <alkisg> OK, no problem then. Just find a way to bypass the error.
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| 06:08 | <rjune> chrisjrob: have you confirmed that audio works on your terminal period?
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| 06:08 | that error makes me think it's trying to play the sound, but it doesn't really.
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| 06:08 | <chrisjrob> yes sound works within LTSP fine
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| 06:09 | we upgraded from 4.2 and it was working then using esddsp
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| 06:09 | just stopped working for rdesktop only when we upgraded
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| 06:09 | <rjune> Ah.
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| 06:10 | rdesktop is running onthe terminal server or on the terminal itself?
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| 06:10 | <chrisjrob> rdesktop is working within the normal ltsp desktop
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| 06:10 | <rjune> I'm not sure what you mean by that.
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| 06:11 | <rjune> do you login to the linux server, then run rdesktop? or does rdesktop run dirctly on the terminal
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| 06:11 | <chrisjrob> the former
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| 06:11 | <rjune> ok, and you are using pulse audio?
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| 06:11 | <chrisjrob> yes
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| 06:12 | <rjune> have you used padsp with any other programs?
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| 06:12 | <chrisjrob> no, I haven't - that's a good idea
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| 06:12 | <rjune> that's why I get paid the big bucks.
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| 06:12 | <chrisjrob> hee hee - any why I'm not I guess!
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| 06:13 | <rjune> I think I'll give myself a 50% raise.
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| 06:13 | crap, 150% of 0 == 0
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| 06:13 | <chrisjrob> oh well, think of the job satisfaction!
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| 06:13 | <rjune> LOL
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| 06:13 | funny, my boss says that.
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| 06:14 | <chrisjrob> that's why *he's* paid thebig bucks!
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| 06:14 | <rjune> not to hear him he isn't.
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| 06:14 | but then it's not politic to tell your employees you can't pay them much because you need a new car
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| 06:14 | or two
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| 06:15 | <chrisjrob> too true.
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| 06:16 | i guess i'd better reboot into a pxe session, so I can try this sound thing
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| 06:16 | <rjune> anyway, I hope you track down your problem, right now I'm guessing it's padsp that's holding you up
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| 06:16 | <chrisjrob> thanks rjune.
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| 06:16 | <rjune> chrisjrob: you might look at rebuilding rdesktop
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| 06:17 | rdesktop -h makes me think that it may support other audio drivers.
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> chrisjrob, does rdesktop run OK locally? (screen script or local app?)
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| 06:19 | <chrisjrob> rjune I hadn't seen that option - I will test
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| 06:19 | alkisg I haven't played with local apps yet, but I will try screen script
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> Anyway, you may run env DISPLAY=:6 rdesktop .... from a client console to see how rdesktop would look as a local app, to see if you prefer it this way.
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| 06:20 | It will popup inside the ltsp session
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| 06:20 | <chrisjrob> I did not know that
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> But local apps still have a long way to be easy for users... :)
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| 06:21 | <rjune> that's why I asked, you were talking as if either way could be used.
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| 06:21 | alkisg: that's true, but rdp is hardly a local app at this point. it's more like an alternate config.
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| 06:21 | <chrisjrob> I've been using seamlessrdp to try and make Windows work seamlessly
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| 06:22 | painful
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> rjune, yeah, running things as root is not much of an alternative! Just to see how that goes...
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| 06:23 | * rjune shrugs, rdesktop as root on a terminal? somehow I don't see that doing much damage | |
| 06:23 | <rjune> historically you used to be able to do SCREEN_X = rdp
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> Well, if I understand the local-apps-plan correctly, users are supposed to be authenticated locally (on the client) and apps would run with their user id...
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| 06:24 | <rjune> that's local apps
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| 06:24 | i've never used ltsp5
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| 06:24 | i was active in ltsp4
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> I've never used ltsp4, I'm new! :P
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| 06:25 | But SCREEN_X works OK now as well
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| 06:26 | <chrisjrob> I was using ltsp4,2, but I was just finding it harder and harder to get newer PCs working
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> Pffft... newer clients... who needs them? Still have 10 year old PCs at school, can't find the money to even buy new mice... :)
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| 06:27 | <chrisjrob> but it was a nightmare having to store new pcs, whilst we continued to use decade old equipment
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| 06:28 | but I still think 4.2 was great - and loads of advice everywhere to solve issues like mine!
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> Yeah, the documentation now is lacking, can't even tell if it's for 4.x or 5.0...
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| 06:29 | (sometimes)
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| 06:29 | <chrisjrob> I think I can tell you now - it's 4.x!
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> :D
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| 06:30 | <chrisjrob> i better go and try and fix this problem, thanks all. back later.
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> bye!
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| 07:29 | <ryudo> !seen ogra
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| 07:29 | <ltspbot`> ryudo: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <ogra> man Xsession says so, yes, but its not used or needed in ubuntu/debian where we rely on alternatives for that
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| 07:32 | <ryudo> Hi all
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| 07:37 | <ryudo> ogra good morning ;)
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| 07:40 | Ogra reminds you that yesterday I report a problem with the several floppy icons on the desktop?
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| 07:41 | <ogra_cmpc> i duplicated the bug already, yes
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| 07:41 | <ogra_cmpc> if that was yours
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| 07:41 | <ryudo> I do all updates of all repositories available, including the chroot and i rebuild de image
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| 07:41 | <ogra_cmpc> no need for that
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| 07:41 | <ryudo> and the bug has no solved
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| 07:41 | :(
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| 07:41 | <ogra_cmpc> the bits that needed fixing are all server side for that problem
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| 07:42 | <ryudo> you can help me to fix it ?
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| 07:42 | i need apply any patch ?
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| 07:43 | <ogra_cmpc> no, just install the packages from hardy-updates
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| 07:43 | reboot server and clients and you should be done
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| 07:43 | worked for everyone else
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| 07:45 | <ryudo> but i try all this and not fixed
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| 07:45 | i will format my server
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| 07:45 | <ogra_cmpc> why ???
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| 07:45 | what do you expect to be better after formatting the server ?
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| 07:48 | <ryudo> I do not know what to do more ogra: (
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| 07:48 | i updates , reboot and the problem persist
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| 07:48 | <ogra_cmpc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/210379
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| 07:48 | <ryudo> i read it
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| 07:48 | ops
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| 07:48 | i will read
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| 07:48 | sorry ogra my english is terrible
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| 07:50 | <ogra_cmpc> Blinny apparently had to reboot all his clients for it to work, but beyond that i'm not aware that anyone had problems
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| 07:51 | <ryudo> the bug package is ltspfs correct ?
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| 07:51 | i will remove
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| 07:51 | and reinstall
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| 07:51 | <ogra_cmpc> no
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| 07:51 | look at the bug
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| 07:52 | (ltspfs is involved but only in a minor part of a one digit change)
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| 07:53 | the bug itself is *not* against ltspfs
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| 07:54 | <ryudo> is in gvfs ?
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| 07:54 | <ogra_cmpc> right and glib
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| 08:28 | <operador_> ogra
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| 08:28 | ryudo here :D
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| 08:28 | look http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelasj7.png
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| 08:29 | http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4531/capturadatelasj7.png
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| 08:38 | <operador_> johnny
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| 08:38 | is ryudo here
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| 08:50 | <operador_> ogra
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| 08:51 | http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelasj7.png
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| 08:51 | operador@lstp-server:~$ apt-cache policy ltspfs
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| 08:51 | ltspfs:
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| 08:51 | Instalado: 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
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| 08:51 | Candidato: 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
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| 08:52 | operador@lstp-server:~$ apt-cache policy gvfs
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| 08:52 | gvfs:
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| 08:52 | Instalado: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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| 08:52 | Candidato: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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| 08:52 | operador@lstp-server:~$ apt-cache policy gvfs-backends
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| 08:52 | gvfs-backends:
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| 08:52 | Instalado: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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| 08:52 | Candidato: 0.2.4-0ubuntu1
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| 08:58 | <warren> ogra_cmpc: any opinion on the ldm proposals I wrote to the list?
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| 08:58 | ogra_cmpc: I suspect it wont make any difference, but I wanted to check before I do it.
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| 08:59 | <warren> oh, I see the mail now
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| 08:59 | <operador_> gadi ! :D
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| 08:59 | its me mario
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| 08:59 | ops ryudo :D
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> buenos dias?
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| 08:59 | :)
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| 09:00 | <operador_> buenas :D
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> ah, right
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| 09:00 | Im precaffeinated
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| 09:00 | <operador_> gady my friend eehe you can help me a solve a litle bug ?
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| 09:00 | :D
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> lemme get some coffee in me
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| 09:01 | <operador_> that one picture is worth a thousand words
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| 09:01 | look this
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| 09:01 | http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelasj7.png
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| 09:01 | this bug second ogra has solved... but its not solved here :(
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> yeah - I think I heard about this - something with ubuntu hardy's move from gnome-vfs to gvfs
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| 09:02 | there is a patch that needed to be applied
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| 09:03 | or some such
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| 09:03 | <operador_> ogra say "make all updates and all will be fine"
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> if you suppress volumes_visible in gconf, does it help?
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| 09:03 | ah, ok
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| 09:03 | then, do that
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| 09:03 | :)
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| 09:03 | <operador_> buts i make all updates and not resolved :(
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| 09:03 | no i no suppress this option
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| 09:04 | is needed ?
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> what repositories do you have?
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| 09:04 | <operador_> all in channel of software
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> be sure to add hardy-updates
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| 09:06 | <operador_> look http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelacanaisdesolg6.png
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| 09:08 | gadi ? :(
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| 09:09 | http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelagerenciadoel1.png
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> looks good
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| 09:09 | <operador_> all updates are instaled using the repositorys on screenshot
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 09:10 | not sure
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| 09:10 | <operador_> :(
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> ogra is definitely the one to ask about this
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| 09:10 | have you found any advice on launchpad?
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| 09:11 | <operador_> my guess is, this bug has not been resolved yet
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> I am sure there is a bug report about this
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| 09:11 | <operador_> ogra says that bug has been resolved and to fix it is necessary update server using hardy proposed repositorys
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| 09:12 | but thia solution not resolve the problem
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| 09:12 | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 and try again :{
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> that seems a bit drastic
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| 09:20 | <operador_> ehehe :(
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| 09:20 | I do not know what to do more
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| 09:21 | ogra says this bug have fixed , however I see that is not :[
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> have you searched launchpad.net for the bug?
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| 09:23 | <operador_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
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| 09:23 | this the tcket
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| 09:24 | I can confirm that this bug is now fixed. I had to reboot all the clients with local devices; after doing so the icons went away. Thanks for all the hard work in squashing these bugs!
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| 09:24 | i try it too
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| 09:24 | and nothing
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| 09:36 | <chrisjrob> Thanks to rjune I've managed to get rdesktop sound, but only by specifying oss as the sound driver
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| 09:36 | padsp rdesktop -r sound:local:oss SERVERIP
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| 09:36 | which seems wrong to me for LTSP5
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| 09:37 | any thoughts anyone?
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> chrisjrob: nope, thats correct
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| 09:38 | rdesktop still writes to /dev/dsp
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| 09:38 | afaik
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| 09:38 | it does not have alsa support
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| 09:38 | <chrisjrob> thanks Gadi, that's good to know, at least it's working okay now!
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| 09:39 | although how Linux sorts itself out between alsa, oss, esd and pulseaudio will
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| 09:40 | remain a mystery to me!
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| 09:47 | <ogra> operador_, so with every client you switch on you get an additional floppy icon on all desktops ? (thats beeen the bug) or does it only show these two everywhere ? there i would suspect that your servers floppy is simply showing up
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| 09:47 | <operador_> operador_, so with every client you switch on you get an additional floppy icon on all desktops ? yes
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| 09:47 | 6 clients
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| 09:47 | <ogra> chrisjrob, esd and oss are dead dogs since quite a while .... all you have left is alsa (drivers) and pulse (sound mixing)
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| 09:47 | <operador_> 6 floppy
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| 09:48 | i shot a screenshot to see you
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| 09:48 | <ogra> chrisjrob, not *that* hard to distinguish ;)
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| 09:48 | <ogra> operador_, that had only two floppies where i would suspect one to be the servers
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| 09:49 | <chrisjrob> operador_ except that oss is clearly still required to work with rdesktop
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| 09:49 | <ogra> well, its dead in the upstream kernel
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| 09:49 | and i know no recent distro that supports it out of the box anymore
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| 09:50 | <chrisjrob> ogra (sorry operador_) except that oss is clearly still required to work with rdesktop
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| 09:50 | <ogra> about time someone fixes rdesktop :)
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| 09:50 | <chrisjrob> ubuntu seem to have a version 1.6 which is fixed I think
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| 09:50 | <ogra> not even flash uses oss ... and adobe isnt the fastest
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| 09:53 | <operador_> ogra
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| 09:53 | look
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| 09:53 | http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugfloppyjn4.png
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| 09:53 | 4 Terminals logged....4 floppys !
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| 09:53 | :(
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> Changes:
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| 09:54 | A potential vulnerability against compromised ormalicious servers, as reported by iDefense, wasfixed. A crash with recent versions of X.org wasfixed. An Alsa audio driver was added, and theaudio drivers can be selected at runtime. Physicalmouse buttons rather than logical ones are nowsent.
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> (thats for chrisjrob - from rdesktop's page)
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| 09:55 | <chrisjrob> Gadi, thanks - i'll go check it out
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> for v1.6
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| 09:55 | <operador_> ogra , http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugfloppyjn4.png
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| 10:06 | <ryudo> i back :D
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| 10:06 | ogra you see the screenshot ?
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| 10:09 | <warren> can someone tar up their /etc on the latest Edubuntu so I can read the scripts?
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| 10:09 | in particular I want to read the Xsession stack
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| 10:12 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "Xsession" (119 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/549
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| 10:13 | <ogra> warren, does that suffice ?
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| 10:13 | btw ubuntu and edubuntu are identical ... edubuntu just adds different artwork and some apps to ubuntu
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| 10:13 | <warren> ogra: oh, doesn't include any other scripts?
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| 10:14 | <ogra> there is Xsession.d wiht a bunch of stuff that gets sourced by Xsession
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| 10:14 | (as you can see following the SYSSESSIONDIR variable in the code)
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| 10:17 | <ryudo> ogra
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| 10:17 | http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bugfloppyjn4.png
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| 10:17 | i take a screenshot
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| 10:17 | in this case are logged 4 terminals
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| 10:18 | <ogra> yes, sorry, no idea why that isnt fixed for you
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| 10:18 | it is for everyone else
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| 10:20 | <ryudo> i will format the server and test again
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| 10:20 | <ogra> what would you expect to change ?
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| 10:20 | by formatting anything ...
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| 10:22 | <ryudo> I honestly do not know, because if this bug continues the situation not change much, and I want to be sure this not my fault
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| 10:24 | <ogra> well, but if you made clean install without changes and only applied the updates it wont be different the next time you do that
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| 10:24 | did you edit ay files or scripts ?
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| 10:24 | *any
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| 11:00 | <ryudo> ogra , i not change nothing
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> James!!!
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| 12:24 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 12:24 | how's it goin?
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| 12:25 | <cliebow> hiya..going good..mixed up day..
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| 12:25 | gotta run to the middle school...
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> warren: thanks for bringing up the Xsession issues...
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| 12:30 | warren: i think simply adding an ldm.xsession for specifying the Xsession file would be a good first step ... and only add it if specified ... then anyone using LDM_SESSION and specifying an Xsession would still work fine.
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> anybody here use whiptail at all?
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| 13:54 | * Q-FUNK uses whip but ... oh, you mean THAT | |
| 13:54 | <Gadi> lol
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| 13:54 | Q-FUNK: hey
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| 13:55 | you been pinging me recently?
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| 13:55 | <Q-FUNK> hey :)
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| 13:55 | yup
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> I have been all over the place
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| 13:55 | sorry
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| 13:55 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: did you say that you guys also have some GX2 hardware on hand?
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> lots
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| 13:56 | :)
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| 13:56 | <Q-FUNK> if you use Hardy, try my backported packages for -nsc and -geode ;)
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> I don't yet, but I will try when I get a box going
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> first, I need to figure out why whiptail stops taking input all of a sudden when my whiptail-based app runs as a screen script
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| 13:57 | :P
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| 13:57 | <Q-FUNK> oh
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> something must be gumming up stdin
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| 13:58 | <Q-FUNK> just WHIP IT! into shape. shape it up! get straight! go forward! it's not too late, to WHIP IT! whip it GOOD!
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 16:03 | <Comete> hi
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| 16:05 | <Comete> is it possible, with ltsp 5, to use nbd_swap with some machines and local_swap with others on the same network ? and how can i know which one a started thinclient uses ?
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| 16:07 | <Nubae> if you use 2 different chroots
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| 16:07 | yeah sure
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| 16:07 | and assign chroot via mac address
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> Comete: I believe you can do it with 1 chroot and lts.conf
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| 16:13 | USE_LOCAL_SWAP
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| 16:13 | NBD_SWAP
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| 16:13 | and just make them Y/N depending upon MAC address
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> no need to use different chroots, just use lts.conf settings
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| 16:32 | <Comete> ok i will try thanks
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| 16:43 | <Nubae> hmmm didnt think about doing it with lts.conf...
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| 17:01 | <ace_suares> hi, my thin can (estonian thin client from artecgroup) boots fine but then it displ;ays a black screen where the ldm login window shoud be. Any ideas ?
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| 17:04 | <barbosa> hi for all, I need boot ltsp-4.2 with RTL8101E PXE with 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 but the system freeze. is there any configuration for this nic ?
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| 18:09 | <ace_suares> Oh I already got the answer via email from artecgroup
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| 18:21 | <Lns> !seen q-funk
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| 18:21 | <ltspbot> Lns: q-funk was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Q-FUNK> oh
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| 18:22 | <ace_suares> Hee lns,
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| 18:22 | isnt q-funk the guy from the thin cans ?
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| 18:22 | <Lns> barbosa, as long as the NIC has PXE boot functionality, you should be ok
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| 18:22 | ace_suares, afaik he's from Symbio Technologies
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> gadi's symbio
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| 18:23 | <Lns> oooh yeah
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| 18:23 | <ace_suares> hmm symbio tech website, nice stuff.
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| 18:24 | * Lns confuses q-funk & gadi for some reason | |
| 18:24 | <ace_suares> I did quite a lot of research on thin clients 2 yrs ago and never stumbled on thin can's or symbia...
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| 18:24 | I knew his name was startng with q :-)
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| 18:25 | <Lns> vagrantc, where does q-funk work, do you know?
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| 18:25 | so weird, i've been working w/him on the geode driver issues but i thought he was doing it as part of symbio's thin client testing too (guess i was wrong heh)
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> i don't know.
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| 18:26 | <ace_suares> lns artecgroup thin can uses thatone too so it figures ?
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| 18:27 | <Lns> ace_suares, does it? are you having issues w/it?
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| 18:27 | <ace_suares> yep it wont start x
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| 18:27 | <Lns> ah yes you are ;) you need to update the chroot to q-funk's ppa
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| 18:27 | <ace_suares> te screen stays black
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| 18:27 | martin from artecgroup mailed me to use their repo
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| 18:28 | You need to add my PPA to sources.list in the chroot, update and rebuild
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| 18:28 | the boot image:
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| 18:28 | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/q-funk/ubuntu hardy main
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| 18:28 | Then, X should finally work as expected.
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| 18:28 | <Lns> yeah it just got fixed, i just got a call from a client actually and said their thin clients (koolu) started booting to LDM like an hour ago ;)
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| 18:28 | <ace_suares> thats what he said
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| 18:28 | i did it
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| 18:28 | maybe i did it wrong it dodnt work.
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| 18:28 | <Lns> did you ltsp-update-image?
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| 18:29 | <ace_suares> yes. --arch i386 :-)
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| 18:31 | <Lns> ace_suares, did you remove the -amd package too?
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| 18:31 | I think that's what got it going for me
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| 18:31 | <ace_suares> lns what is taht and how to do it ?
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| 18:32 | <Lns> sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg-video-amd
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| 18:32 | and then sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386 ;)
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| 18:32 | -amd is a transitional package that needs to be purged after updating to q-funk's ppa
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| 18:33 | for -geode and -nsc
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| 18:33 | <ace_suares> lns someone needs to make a webpage about that @#$@#$@#$
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| 18:33 | <Lns> ace_suares, it's fairly new knowledge...
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| 18:33 | ;)
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| 18:33 | <ace_suares> lns you have a thin can !?
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| 18:33 | <Lns> no i have Koolu
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| 18:33 | <ace_suares> lns all the more reasons to make a webpage, you'll get hits :-)
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| 18:33 | <Lns> that's what Ubuntu wikis are for ;)
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| 18:34 | you did remind me though, i'm going to update my own wiki for that too
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| 18:34 | <ace_suares> lns is that a phone, the koolu ?
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| 18:34 | (btw means ass in latin slang).
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| 18:34 | <Lns> no, they sell thin-clients too (just buried in their site)
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| 18:34 | <ace_suares> ah yah
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| 18:35 | 299 USD
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| 18:35 | the thin can is 100 EUR
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| 18:35 | <Lns> 199 actually, 299 is their "netstation"
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| 18:35 | wow, good price
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| 18:35 | kind of unprofessional look though, but if that doesn't matter,.. =)
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| 18:35 | <ace_suares> lns cant find the netstation on loolu website
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| 18:36 | yes the thin can is sharpedged and easy unscrewable
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| 18:36 | not too good for the schools i am trying to reach
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| 18:36 | <Lns> ah
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| 18:36 | so you're in the educational sector too eh?
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| 18:36 | * Lns likes to hear about others working ltsp into schools | |
| 18:36 | <ace_suares> lns i wish
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| 18:37 | lns vool lets make a website with cases :)
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| 18:37 | vool = cool
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| 18:37 | look at http://www.suares.an/rkcs for a hoorro story
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| 18:37 | horror
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| 18:37 | and I have one project running since april 2006 now
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| 18:37 | it runs fine
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| 18:37 | older ubuntu (breezy) with ltsp and win4lin.
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| 18:38 | also look on my site for the box in a box in a box articles.
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| 18:38 | <Lns> heh
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| 18:39 | that's cool
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| 18:40 | <ace_suares> I hope you referring to the box in a box articles and not to the *@#^&#^ rkcs
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| 18:40 | lol
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| 18:41 | Hey X works, i get the login page, great THANKS !
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| 18:41 | <Lns> =) awesome, ace_suares no prob.
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| 18:45 | <ace_suares> I've got another baffliong problem tough
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| 18:45 | baffling
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| 18:46 | yday i switched to compiz on my 3-screen multihead xinerama desktop/server
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| 18:46 | it works cool after an evening of testing the badly documented compiz features
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| 18:46 | today I start the thin client (not a thin can but a disklessworkstations one)
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| 18:47 | but I can see there are visual effects now from compiz there too in a completely different user
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| 18:47 | and its slow and stuff
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| 18:47 | now I went to system->pref->adva deskt setting
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| 18:47 | and it was indeed on the middle 'normal' instead of none what is was before
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| 18:48 | i switched to none
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| 18:48 | and now I can not login to the tc with that user
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| 18:48 | actually it logs in and out straight away
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| 18:54 | <ace_suares> http://pastebin.com/m2e91fab this is xsession-errors I think its Xgl that made the problem
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| 18:55 | <Lns> ace_suares, i remember having that problem right after upgrading to gutsy
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| 18:55 | i forgot what it was you had to do...some simple cmd though
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| 18:55 | to do w/xgl
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| 18:55 | <ace_suares> compiz/xgl was intrioduced as standard in gutsy
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| 18:55 | <ogra> no
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| 18:55 | xgl was never ever supported in ubuntu
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| 18:56 | its wild crack ....
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| 18:56 | <ace_suares> hey ogra ! moin !
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| 18:56 | <ogra> well, i'm aout to go to bed, but evening :)
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| 18:56 | *about
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| 18:56 | <ace_suares> he he sweet dreams then
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| 18:57 | I just arrived a thin can from artecgroup
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| 18:57 | lns helped me witht he extra things you need to do to get it wroking
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| 18:57 | <ogra> yeah, saw the backlog
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| 18:57 | <ace_suares> oh okay
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| 18:57 | so id ont need xgl for compiz ?
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| 18:57 | <ogra> the 8.04.1 CD will coe out soon and have these fixes included i hope
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| 18:57 | <ace_suares> maybe it was cairo-dock then that i needed it for.
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| 18:57 | ohhh ! great !
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| 18:58 | <Lns> ogra, have you tested desktop effects w/ltsp lately in hardy?
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| 18:58 | if so, how is it? i know you said before it works pretty well
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| 18:58 | <ogra> you should nee xgl only with a small subset of ati cards that dont support AIGLX
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| 18:58 | Lns, nope
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| 18:58 | i havent touched any effects in hardy at all for ltsp
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| 18:58 | <Lns> ah
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| 18:58 | <ogra> i dont have the HW for that
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| 18:58 | my clianets all are non GL thingies
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| 18:59 | *clients
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| 18:59 | <Lns> ogra, do you use mostly disklessworkstations?
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| 18:59 | <ace_suares> ogra: but since i use compiz on the desktop/server the tc's also seem to use it
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| 18:59 | the 'appearance' was switched to 'normal' instead of none.
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| 18:59 | <ogra> i have two thin cans as well, some compaqs and some from rangee
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| 18:59 | <Lns> ace_suares, i'm pretty sure ltsp, by default, turns off desktop effects when logging in
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| 18:59 | <ace_suares> and I didnt install xgl on the chroot :(
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| 19:00 | <ogra> and a set fro disklessworkstaions, yes
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| 19:00 | <ace_suares> lns: well in the appearance tab from system->preferences in gnome, it was on normal now not none... !
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| 19:00 | <Lns> cool
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| 19:00 | ace_suares, that's with a newly created user?
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| 19:00 | <ace_suares> I moved it to none and now it wont login for loinger then 10 secs see the pastebin
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| 19:00 | lns no with an existing user but I never log in with that user on the server
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| 19:01 | <ogra> but i do most of my work in virtualbox nowadays, apart from real world testing
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| 19:01 | <ace_suares> lns now today i did login on the server and it works okay
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| 19:01 | <Lns> ogra, if you're ever interested i have a spare koolu thin client i can ship ya
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| 19:01 | i'd need it back eventually though (when i move my own office to ltsp ;) )
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| 19:01 | <ace_suares> ogra and i could spare a thin can, I got two :-)
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| 19:02 | <ogra> Lns, canonical has plenty of koolus in the QA lab in montreal
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| 19:02 | <Lns> oh ok
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| 19:02 | <ogra> i just dont have them here but have people to trigger testing
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| 19:02 | * Lns raises his hand ;) | |
| 19:03 | <ace_suares> Checking for nVidia: not present. \nStarting Xgl with options: -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama \nWaiting 10 more seconds for Xgl to start...
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| 19:03 | yeah i need to land me a job at canonical
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| 19:03 | <Lns> ace_suares, I'm not sure.... i'd create a brand new user if i were you and try logging in with that
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| 19:03 | <ace_suares> woiuld need to be some kind ofg oversight job tough with no real work involved :-)
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| 19:03 | <Lns> ace_suares, lol...why not apply at m$ then? ;)
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| 19:04 | <ogra> ace_suares, http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ there are plenty :)
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| 19:04 | <ace_suares> he he
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| 19:04 | good but I can oversee you from here too ;-)
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| 19:04 | <ace_suares> just need to buy my own hardware damnit
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| 19:05 | <Lns> ace_suares, if you're doing things with ltsp what is your job now?
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| 19:06 | <ace_suares> lns lol I *try* to get ltsp into schools in curacao (120.000 inhabitants, ca. 30.000 schoolkids)
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| 19:06 | but not much succes so far.
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| 19:06 | I organize seminars now and then about open source (the last one in 2004 in the next one in 2008)
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| 19:07 | i am hosting websites with qwikzite a cms that i build in php/mysql
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| 19:07 | i am starting to write ruby stuff (rails)
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| 19:07 | for databases online
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| 19:07 | well
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| 19:07 | i *was* windows system admin for non profit organisations
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| 19:07 | the list goes on with semi-successes and near-failures :-)
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| 19:08 | what about you lns
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| 19:08 | you have ltsp running on a school !?
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| 19:09 | <Lns> very nice ace_suares
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| 19:09 | I own a small tech support/consulting company in california - http://logicalnetworking.net
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| 19:10 | I'm starting to do a lot more work with schools and nonprofit after-school clubs in the area, and getting LTSP in those types of places
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| 19:10 | Just hired someone on part-time to help me out with windows-based clients so i can focus on Linux/LTSP more
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| 19:11 | <ace_suares> cool your gateway, i use gibraltar (www.gibraltar.at)
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| 19:11 | <Lns> cool, that looks nice too
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| 19:12 | I <3 IPCop + Zerina + Advproxy/URLFilter
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| 19:12 | Not much you can't do with that setup
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| 19:12 | <ace_suares> ah some thins i dont like about the way are done there. No bug tracker for instance.
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| 19:13 | dont knwo any of them (IP COP etc)
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| 19:13 | but I am sure it's tight :-)
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| 19:13 | <Lns> it's pretty solid
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| 19:13 | alright it's past quitting time for me
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| 19:13 | * Lns waves to all | |
| 19:13 | <ace_suares> lns thanks for all your help
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| 19:13 | bye buye
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| 19:13 | <Lns> np ace_suares, anytime
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| 19:15 | <ace_suares> lns ogra even with a new user the appearnace is on 'normal'
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| 19:15 | but at least the desktop comes up
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| 19:16 | Checking for Xgl: present.
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| 19:16 | Checking for nVidia: not present.
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| 19:16 | Checking for Xgl: present.
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| 19:16 | Enabling Xgl with nVidia drivers...
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| 19:18 | <ogra> you can disable xgl somehow with a setting in ~/.config or ~/.local if you dont want to uninstall it
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| 19:18 | it migth get you into other problems as well
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| 19:19 | <ace_suares> lol but why is it looking for an nvidia driver ? the thin can has none ...
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| 19:19 | <ogra> (xgl is not in sync with Xorg ... its a totally separate project replacung your X server)
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| 19:19 | <ace_suares> ogra oh.
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| 19:19 | I will uninstallit :-)
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| 19:19 | <ogra> no idea i dont touch it :)
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| 19:19 | but i would suspect a startup script that checks for available GL support
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| 19:20 | <ace_suares> gonna reboot X
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| 19:20 | maybe see you ont he other side
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| 19:22 | <ace_suares> he he
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| 19:22 | my entire desktop setup gone, worked on it for 3 hrs yday :-(
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| 19:22 | lol
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| 19:23 | <ogra> because of removing xgl ?
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| 19:23 | <ace_suares> oh yeah :-)
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| 19:23 | no compiz anymore :-)
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| 19:23 | <ogra> indeed
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| 19:24 | <ace_suares> xgl made my gnomepanels 3-screeniwde
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| 19:24 | <ogra> likely rather compiz :)
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| 19:24 | <ace_suares> now it is only one screen wide with the same amount of carefully placed icons :-)
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| 19:24 | <ogra> oh, thats fun ... ancient bug nobody seems to look at upstream
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| 19:25 | <ace_suares> life with multihead is not so easy :-)
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| 19:25 | like OO on screen 3, does file-open on screen one
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| 19:25 | <ogra> my lappie has a touchscreen mode and i like to rotate the screen for reding news ...
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| 19:25 | <ace_suares> that's a meter to move with the mouse :-(
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| 19:25 | <ogra> so i suffer the sme problem of roaming icons ...
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| 19:25 | <ace_suares> wow touchscreen does it rotate ?
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| 19:26 | oh yeas
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| 19:26 | <ogra> you can do it mnually
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| 19:26 | xrandr does it
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| 19:26 | <ace_suares> that why i never customized my desktops too much
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| 19:26 | <ogra> but fo rintrepid i'll see that the rotate buttons are supported for it
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| 19:26 | <ace_suares> ah i read something about xrandr not being supported (by my cards ? by compiz ? wtf ??)
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| 19:26 | <ogra> xrandr is a default extension of Xorg
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| 19:27 | <ace_suares> yeah if i swith from none to normal in appearance, then it says the composite extention missing
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| 19:27 | <ogra> you likely read bout composite on nvidia cards (which is likely the reason you used xgl :) )
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| 19:27 | <ace_suares> it seemed that i could get that fixed with xgl i think thats why i installed it
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| 19:27 | <ogra> xrandr != composite ;)
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| 19:28 | <ace_suares> yesh 2 dualhead nvdiacards here.
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| 19:28 | <ogra> xrandr cares for resolution, multihead and rotation and the like ...
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| 19:29 | <ace_suares> nice bug to the 'composite not available' doesnt go away when pressing or or X :-)
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| 19:29 | sorry 'when pressing OK, only when pressing X
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| 19:29 | <ogra> it does for me
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| 19:29 | <ace_suares> not for me :-)
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| 19:30 | I gotta find out what the trouble is with compiz/nvidia
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| 19:30 | the ltsp trouble where related to Xgl
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| 19:30 | so that will be solved now :-)
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| 19:30 | <ace_suares> waaaa i was so happy with compiz ...
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| 19:31 | <ogra> well, you can keep xgl and have a rc.d script for ldm that cares for it to be disabled if you are on ltsp
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| 19:31 | <ogra> or an Xsession.d script checking if LTSP_CLIENT is set
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| 19:32 | <ace_suares> yes well i'll check into that after I am certain that i need xgl to have compiz...
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| 19:33 | funny on my 'lappie' it all works fine...
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| 19:33 | <ogra> what graphics card ?
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| 19:33 | <ace_suares> hmm i forgot prob intel
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| 19:34 | it's an acer travelmate 2480 or so
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| 19:34 | wow my mouse is racing over teh screen just to find my terminal icon :-(
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| 19:34 | <ogra> yeah, intel is the awesome if it comes to drivers and GL support
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| 19:35 | <ace_suares> well in 5 yrs we will only vaguely remmeber closed source drivers for hardware ;-)
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| 19:35 | <ogra> hopefully
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| 19:36 | <ace_suares> yes :-) well linux/gnu/ubuntu etc has advanced greatly due to so many hard workers
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| 19:36 | i gotta restart x
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| 19:43 | <ace_suares> ogra i won tbother you wtih thsi anymore
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| 19:43 | i'll sort it out ;)
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| 19:43 | it's not an ltsp problem anyway
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| 19:49 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/85-ltsp-xgl-handler" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/550
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| 19:50 | <ogra> look if there is already an xgl script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ this one needs to run before the xgl one
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| 19:50 | <ace_suares> cool
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| 19:50 | I iwll test that later on
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| 19:56 | <ace_suares> ogra i am back on xgl gonna test it now
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| 20:02 | <ace_suares> ping ogra
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| 20:02 | ogra it works! Great job
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| 20:02 | now on the thin client, the appearnce settigns are back to none
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| 20:02 | and cant enable them too ;-)
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| 20:02 | on the server, we are all wobbly and cairo-docky under xgl.
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| 20:03 | thank you lots of times !
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| 20:04 | <rjune> ogra: howdy
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| 20:12 | <ace_suares> rjune: think he's gone to sleep
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| 20:13 | <rjune> could be
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| 20:48 | <rjune> Howdy Ron
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