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| 10:51 | <mitmobiler> anyone there to help with ltsp-5 in debian ??
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| 10:53 | i try to start a client with PXE. the client boot but no graphical display is coming up. i am using gdm
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| 10:56 | <rjune_> netstat -anp, look for 166
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| 10:56 | I think.
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| 10:56 | it's been a while.
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> mitmobiler: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii ; dpkg -l --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 'ltsp*' ldm | egrep ^ii
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| 11:03 | <mitmobiler> i have install ltsp-server 5.0.39debian1 and than ran ltsp-build-client
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| 11:03 | with --dist etch
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> mitmobiler: is ltsp-server installed on an etch or lenny system?
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| 11:08 | <mitmobiler> vagrantc: ltsp-server is installed on lenny but the chroot environment is etch
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> mitmobiler: 5.0.39debian1 of ltsp-server will not correctly install an etch chroot without some manual configuration
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| 11:09 | mitmobiler: i'd recommend following the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto for using the etch backports
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| 11:12 | <mitmobiler> vagrantc: txs i will try now
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> mitmobiler: you should be able to just use the ltsp-server package from lenny, but you'll need to pass the --extra-mirror option and set up apt's gpg keyring with apt-key
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| 11:31 | <mitmobiler> I did this and now I got some mount errors while booting a PXE client
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| 11:31 | mount: Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
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| 11:31 | >> mount: Mounting unionfs on /root failed: No such device
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| 11:32 | >> mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
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| 11:32 | etc ...
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 11:34 | hmmm...
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| 11:34 | that shouldn't happen if you built an etch environment
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| 11:34 | mitmobiler: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l initramfs-tools | egrep ^ii
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| 11:35 | <mitmobiler> after installing ltsp-server in lenny i build chroot with
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| 11:35 | ltsp-build-client \ --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" \ --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> mitmobiler: so it probably built a lenny chroot
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| 11:36 | mitmobiler: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l initramfs-tools | egrep ^ii
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| 11:36 | <mitmobiler> ii initramfs-tools 0.91d tools for generating an initramfs
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> either lenny or sid
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| 11:36 | mitmobiler: why do you want an etch LTSP on a lenny server?
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| 11:37 | mitmobiler: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | egrep ^ii
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| 11:37 | <mitmobiler> i don't but I had the same issues as now with lenny in chroot
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> mitmobiler: it's fixed in sid
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| 11:37 | mitmobiler: --dist sid
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| 11:38 | <mitmobiler> dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | egrep ^ii
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| 11:38 | ii ldm 5.0.39debian1 LTSP display manager
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| 11:38 | ii ltsp-client 5.0.39debian1 LTSP client environment
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| 11:38 | ii ltsp-client-core 5.0.39debian1 LTSP client environment
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| 11:38 | ii ltspfsd 0.5+debian1 Fuse based remote filesystem daemon for LTSP
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| 11:39 | I can give it a try with sid
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> should hit lenny within a couple days
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| 11:41 | <mitmobiler> vagrantc: what do you mean ??
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> mitmobiler: there is a package in sid which fixes your problem, and it should make it into lenny tomorrow, the next day, or the day after that
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| 11:43 | <mitmobiler> ok thanks
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| 12:20 | <cliebow> rjune_, 177: for xdmcp..most are using ldm so no need for it?
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| 12:23 | <ogra> vagrantc, what squashfs version does sid have atm ? i have soem changes in ubuntu that i'd like to push upstream soon, but one requires an option only in the latest squashfs relese
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: squashfs-source | 1:3.3-1 | unstable | all
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| 12:24 | <ogra> ah, cool
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| 12:24 | that needs the -lolzma option ... else it will default to lzma compression
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| 12:24 | <rjune_> cliebow: I don't know how it works anymoe.
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| 12:24 | anymore.
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> ogra: is it better compression... faster... ?
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| 12:25 | <rjune_> *sigh*, I'm so behind LTSP
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| 12:25 | <ogra> (which is a cool thing (about 1/3 higher compression rate) ... beyond the fact that no kernel can unpack it yet :P )
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| 12:25 | we need to keep it until the kernel module can handle lzma
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| 12:26 | <cliebow> rjune_, it progesses so fast none of us old fogies can keep up
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| 12:26 | <rjune_> LOL
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| 12:26 | did you see the movie of my new toy?
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| 12:26 | <ogra> and after testing all clients i got here i finally switched over to the -generic image
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| 12:26 | rjune_, another BMW ?
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| 12:26 | <rjune_> heh no
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| 12:26 | this was brand new.
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| 12:26 | <rjune_> and you say that as if it works.
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| 12:27 | http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/mov005.mod <-- dicky got a new toy
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| 12:27 | it's wintertime, so I need to go see about fixing that old car
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| 12:28 | * ogra has a dissembled prosche in the garage .... since over a year now ... | |
| 12:28 | <ogra> about the same age as your bmw
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| 12:28 | <rjune_> heh
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| 12:28 | so I'm in good company then.
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| 12:28 | I hope to be driving it this summer
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| 12:29 | * vagrantc needs to get the bicycle working *again* | |
| 12:29 | <ogra> heh, think about trashingit .. i simply dntfind the time
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| 12:29 | s/think/i think/
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> first thing i do for the year is break a bike pedal... and then a couple days later my tire dies
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| 12:29 | <rjune_> unfortunate. I bet an old porche would be fun
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| 12:29 | jeebus
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| 12:30 | <ogra> its only a 924 ... rather an audi than a porsche ...
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| 12:30 | <rjune_> heh
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| 12:30 | <ogra> but only takes 7l/100km .... i never had a car taking so less
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| 12:31 | (thats less than i.e. a vw golf)
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| 12:31 | <rjune_> cool
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| 12:31 | <putnum> can ltsp serv windows apps to linux thin clients?
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| 12:33 | <cliebow> putnum, that is tough
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| 12:33 | ive never gotten crossover or wine to work on any of the apps i needed
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| 12:33 | <ogra> putnum, some .... through wine/codeweaver ... but you usually break the licensing through that heavily
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| 12:34 | <putnum> yea
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| 12:34 | thought so
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| 12:34 | <putnum> i am looking for a good open source alteritive to citrix
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| 12:35 | i have linux thin clients and i want them to be able to access windows apps from the backend
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| 12:35 | <cliebow> ltsp rocks..unless you have like teachers glued to special ed windows apps
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| 12:35 | you "can" use rdesktop
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| 12:36 | if you have aserver that will rub rdp
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| 12:36 | <putnum> yea i saw that
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| 12:36 | <cliebow> /rub/run
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| 12:36 | <putnum> is it pretty stable?
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| 12:36 | <cliebow> very
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| 12:36 | <rjune_> fairly
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| 12:36 | <putnum> this is for my house
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| 12:36 | not a business
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| 12:37 | <cliebow> i suppose you could even vnc into a win boxen for win apps
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| 12:37 | <putnum> and i can run it seamless? and what about when i have two users accessing two windows apps at once how does that work?
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| 12:38 | <cliebow> errrrr..prob not so hot..you must have a big family
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| 12:38 | <putnum> well not really
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| 12:39 | i am wanting the thinclients to boot up and only have access to certain windows apps and the internet via the windows server
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| 12:39 | kinda like citrix meteframe
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| 12:39 | <cliebow> leave the internet on linux..
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| 12:40 | <putnum> k
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| 12:40 | <rjune_> do you expect multimedia heavy usage?
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| 12:40 | <cliebow> any one win app you "really" want?
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| 12:40 | rjune_ has a point..
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| 12:40 | <putnum> well i am a photographer so i use photoshop heavily and my wife wants only ie7
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| 12:41 | <putnum> and i use outlook 2007
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| 12:41 | <cliebow> gimp rocks as a clone to photoshop
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| 12:41 | <rjune_> ie7, that doesn't bode well. for YouTube? or such? that would be multimedia
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| 12:42 | <cliebow> you could get used to evolution..in time
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| 12:42 | <rjune_> and historically terminals don't work so well for that
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> (always hears people who are really intensive users of photoshop claim gimp isn't worth it)
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| 12:42 | <putnum> lol
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| 12:42 | <cliebow> vagrantc: i see..
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| 12:42 | <putnum> well i know ps already
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| 12:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, i would oppose that as someone who worked in graphics business for three years :)
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> i mean, for most people, gimp is probably fine
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| 12:43 | ogra: you're one of the few, then
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| 12:43 | <ogra> gimp was always far beyond PS if you come to web graphics development
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| 12:43 | <putnum> so i could use rdesktop and i would only be able to run one app at a time which would be fine
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> the real answer to that question is: try gimp and see if it works for you
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| 12:44 | <ogra> at least back around 2000 when i worked with it and made my co workers jealous with my gifs that were cretaed like a breeze while they had to push it through ten apps to get similar results ;)
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| 12:44 | i think Ps won a lot here in the years i didnt see it
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| 12:45 | <putnum> can i have my linux clients boot up into a rdesktop session?
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> putnum: yup
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| 12:46 | <putnum> with out having access to the apps on them locally?
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| 12:46 | how?
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| 12:46 | <ogra> needs some manual work, but yes
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| 12:47 | vagrantc, btw, shoudlnt we add rdesktop to ltsp-client deps ?
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| 12:47 | (without enabling it indeed)
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| 12:47 | <cliebow> sounds like a good idea..
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: well... depends on if we require the functionality to be present on a "standard" ltsp setup, or think of it as an optional feature.
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| 12:48 | <ogra> optional but to enable without having to install anything
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| 12:49 | i'd like to have the binary there at least
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> it's reasonably small, looks like
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| 12:49 | <ogra> with nbd you need to chroot ... install, rebuild the image ...
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| 12:49 | versus just enabling an lts.conf option
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 12:50 | sounds reasonable to me...
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| 12:50 | <ogra> i'll add it after the freeze to the ubuntu deps
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| 12:50 | (friday)
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> oh.
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| 12:51 | <ogra> alpha3 freeze started today and with it ltsp and the installer pieces moved on the ubntu alternate CD :)
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> there's 1 RC bug on debian for rdesktop that's been there for 92 days...
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| 12:51 | <ogra> *ubuntu
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> definitely won't make it a hard dependency until that goes away :)
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| 12:52 | <ogra> whats that ?
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> #445780: rdesktop segfaults connecting to Windows 2000/2003 server
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| 12:53 | <ogra> wow, thats RC ?
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| 12:53 | there is an easy workaround ... set your colors to 16bit
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| 12:54 | oh, i should read to the end :)
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> no comments from the maitainer in 90+ days on a release-critical bug. not a good sign.
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> at least it allegedly works fine on the version in testing
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| 12:57 | <ogra> sounds a bit similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rdesktop/+bug/104332
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| 13:00 | <ogra> anyway, i'll go to find some food ...
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| 13:15 | <stgraber> ogra: and rdesktop is already in main so you won't even have to write a MIR
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| 13:51 | <MasterOne> any clue, when resuming an existing session & session takeover will be implemented?
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| 13:51 | these features are kind of a showstopper for me right now :(
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| 13:52 | <johnny> who knows..
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| 13:53 | they are too busy cleaning up the ltsp code and splitting it up to actually work on a lot of new features it seems
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| 13:53 | <MasterOne> that's bad
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| 13:54 | actually a solution based on FreeNX would better fit my requirements
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| 13:54 | <johnny> no.. it's good
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| 13:54 | for ltsp
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| 13:54 | great in fact
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| 13:54 | will be a lot easier to hack upon in the future
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| 13:55 | <MasterOne> yes, I understand, I'd just wish LTSP5 would be already further right now
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| 13:55 | <johnny> not enough folks working on it
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| 13:55 | all people want more stuff, but don't want to put any effort to making it happen
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| 13:56 | <MasterOne> some merge of the LTSP5 concept + FreeNX would be the desired solution
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| 13:56 | <johnny> i bet doing that wouldn't be too hard
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| 13:56 | <MasterOne> FreeNX can do both, session resume & takeover
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| 13:56 | <johnny> replacing X with freenx can't be that difficult
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| 13:57 | <johnny> maybe X itself can do it.. i just don't know how it's done\
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| 13:57 | <MasterOne> another approach could be x11vnc, which also allows VNCing into an already running session
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> MasterOne: so, why not use NX?
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| 14:02 | you can quite easily make a network-booted thin client that runs nxclient
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| 14:03 | <MasterOne> I already thought about that
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| 14:03 | <Q-FUNK> howdy!
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> even using LTSP5 as the base
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| 14:03 | Q-FUNK: howdy
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| 14:04 | <MasterOne> will have to do some more digging, till now I only tested the nomachine NX server + client (which is free, but only allows 2 concurrent sessions)
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| 14:05 | Gadi, btw I got Compiz working on the thin client with 1920x1200 ;)
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> were you the one with the sis chip?
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| 14:06 | or was it s3?
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| 14:06 | something non-ati/nvidia/intel
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| 14:06 | <MasterOne> yes
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> what was the trick?
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| 14:07 | <MasterOne> but the Compiz test was done on a radeon
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:07 | <MasterOne> but it should work fine on s3 es well
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> so you never fixed it for that chip
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| 14:07 | oh
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| 14:07 | I remember issues with direct rendering reporting no on the server but yes on the client
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| 14:08 | <MasterOne> the trick was to disable DRI on the server, and to copy over the Xorg.6.log file from the TC to the server
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| 14:10 | it was mentioned somewhere, that DRI disables the GLX remote ability, and compiz checks the Xorg.log file on start if the environment is compatible (which is not the case on the server itself)
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:15 | MasterOne: if you like, you could comment out the line near the bottom of /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh that calls "append_dri"
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| 14:15 | then, you could use CONFIGURE_X=True in your lts.conf
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| 14:16 | and all the other X params will be set-able
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| 14:16 | <MasterOne> no need for that, DRI on the TC stays enabled, it just needs to be disabled on the server
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| 14:16 | * Gadi makes mental note that append_dri should be lts.conf configurable, as well | |
| 14:16 | <Gadi> ?
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| 14:16 | <johnny> hmm.. but i use my server as a desktop..
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| 14:16 | so that wouldn't work for me
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> when does the xorg.conf on the server ever get used?
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| 14:18 | <MasterOne> I didn't find an explanation for that, but that's what I did, and then it worked
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> and you didnt disable dri on the client?
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| 14:18 | <MasterOne> no
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> bizarre
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| 14:18 | <MasterOne> after disabling DRI on the server, the error message in glxinfo output changed
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> smells like an upstream bug in glx
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| 14:19 | :)
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| 14:19 | <MasterOne> then it was only the missing Xorg.log, which kept Compiz from starting
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| 14:50 | <otavio> vagrantc: I saw your mail to RM team
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| 14:50 | vagrantc: it'll always be frozen due the udeb
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| 14:50 | vagrantc: you always need to ask for it approval
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| 14:50 | vagrantc: I've added it to the list of udebs that doesn't need ack from my or jeremy to get in so it ought to be fast.
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> otavio: sure
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| 14:51 | otavio: thanks for that
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| 14:52 | otavio: that's one nice thing about splitting ldm out ... we can now update LDM without the .udeb blocking anything
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| 14:56 | <otavio> vagrantc: if it's not difficult, you could even split the udeb on its own source
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| 14:56 | vagrantc: so it would allow you to update the whole ltsp without this mess
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> otavio: that would be nice
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| 14:57 | otavio: that would be simple to do
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| 14:57 | otavio: haven't made updates to the udeb in a long, long time
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| 14:58 | <johnny> scott sure has been away for awhile lately..
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| 14:58 | busy times i guess
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| 15:07 | <ryudo> hi all
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| 15:08 | i having problems wick pendrive users, the pendrivers dont mount in user terminals, lookink at terminal dmesg i look that " sda: unknown partition table"
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| 15:08 | <PerfDave> ryudo: Do they mount on non-client machines?
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| 15:09 | <ryudo> yes !
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| 15:09 | in my server mount
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| 15:09 | but im my old terminals ( celeron 333 + 64 ram + usb 1.0) no
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| 15:09 | the pendrivers are usb 2.0
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| 15:09 | but my pendrive
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| 15:09 | one kingstone 2 gb
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| 15:09 | mount normaly in my terminals
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| 15:11 | <ryudo> Some pendrivers mount others not
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| 15:11 | kingstone 2 GB mount, but PQI 2 GB pendrive not :(
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| 15:12 | <PerfDave> ryudo: The PQI mounts on the server, but not the client. The Kingstone mounts on both. Is that correct?
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| 15:12 | <ryudo> yes that is !
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| 15:12 | sorry perdave
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| 15:12 | my english is not good :(
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| 15:12 | <PerfDave> That is OK :)
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| 15:13 | <ryudo> both pendrivers are formating in FAT
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| 15:14 | perfdave do you know how i fix it ?
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| 15:14 | <PerfDave> What GNU/Linux distributions are you using for your server and clients?
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| 15:15 | <ryudo> Ubuntu 7.04 feisty
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> ryudo: it is not how they are *formatted* but how they are *partitioned* that matters
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| 15:15 | <ryudo> wich last updates
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> can you plug each into the server, and run: fidsk -l /dev/sda
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| 15:15 | (or whatever /dev/ they are)
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| 15:15 | on each
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| 15:16 | <rjune_> Gadi !
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> juney!
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| 15:17 | <ryudo> gadi i look that
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> ryudo: and, I meant "fdisk"
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| 15:17 | sorry for typo
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| 15:17 | :)
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| 15:17 | <ryudo> ah ok :)
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> and make sure you are root or run as sudo
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| 15:17 | :)
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| 15:18 | <ryudo> i dont have anyone pendrive PQI here but i try use fdisk on my kingstone
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| 15:20 | <cliebow> ryudo pendrives must be partitioned i believe to work..
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| 15:20 | <ryudo> root@ltsp:~# fdisk -l /dev/sdb
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| 15:20 | Disco /dev/sdb: 2063 MB, 2063597568 bytes
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| 15:20 | 255 cabeças, 63 setores/trilha, 250 cilindros
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| 15:20 | Unidades = cilindros de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
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| 15:20 | Dispositivo Boot Início Fim Blocos Id Sistema
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| 15:20 | /dev/sdb1 1 250 2008093+ 6 FAT16
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| 15:20 | <cliebow> hmmm..seems to be
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| 15:20 | <ryudo> but the are cliebow, in windows xp the users pendriver woking
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> thats the one that works on the thin client, right?
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| 15:21 | <ryudo> thats my kingstone pendrive, they work on both (server , temrinals)
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:21 | <ryudo> yes
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> that's not as interesting as the one that doesnt work :)
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| 15:21 | <ryudo> yes gadi :(
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> the script on the terminal is a bit different than the one on the server
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| 15:22 | <ryudo> i try find onde pendrive wich issues here
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> it looks for a recognizable filesystem on the drive partition
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| 15:22 | <ryudo> i need fix it on terminals ?
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> if there is no partition that it recognizes, it won't recognize the drive
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| 15:22 | well, the best thing to do is get one of those drives, and come back for help
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| 15:23 | :)
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| 15:23 | hard to fix the problem when you don't have it at the moment
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| 15:23 | <ryudo> yes gadi
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> can you get one of those drives?
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| 15:23 | <ryudo> i try find one
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> ok
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| 15:24 | <ryudo> yes i try search on here in my work
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| 16:52 | <ryud> gadi
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| 16:52 | its me ryudo !
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| 16:52 | i find the evil's pendrive !
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| 16:52 | look the fdisk -l says
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| 16:53 | ltsp@ltsp:~$ fdisk -l /dev/sdb
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| 16:53 | Disco /dev/sdb: 2021 MB, 2021654016 bytes
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| 16:53 | 63 cabeças, 62 setores/trilha, 1010 cilindros
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| 16:53 | Unidades = cilindros de 3906 * 512 = 1999872 bytes
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| 16:53 | Isto não parece ser uma tabela de partições
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| 16:53 | Provavelmente você selecionou o dispositivo errado.
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| 16:53 | Dispositivo Boot Início Fim Blocos Id Sistema
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| 16:53 | /dev/sdb1 ? 490816 921137 840415161 69 Desconhecido
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| 16:53 | A partição 1 possui inícios físico/lógico diferentes (não Linux?):
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| 16:53 | fís. = (612, 109, 33) lógico = (490815, 61, 10)
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| 16:53 | A partição 1 possui fins físico/lógico diferentes:
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| 16:53 | fís. = (255, 97, 46) lógico = (921136, 4, 39)
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| 16:54 | A partição 1 não termina no limite do cilindro.
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| 16:54 | /dev/sdb2 ? 495890 931562 850868148+ ff BBT
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| 16:54 | A partição 2 possui inícios físico/lógico diferentes (não Linux?):
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| 16:54 | fís. = (367, 115, 35) lógico = (495889, 0, 17)
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| 16:54 | A partição 2 possui fins físico/lógico diferentes:
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| 16:54 | fís. = (80, 13, 10) lógico = (931561, 23, 55)
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| 16:54 | A partição 2 não termina no limite do cilindro.
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| 16:54 | /dev/sdb3 ? 452703 905371 884061367 6c Desconhecido
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| 16:54 | A partição 3 possui inícios físico/lógico diferentes (não Linux?):
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| 16:54 | fís. = (355, 116, 37) lógico = (452702, 32, 52)
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| 16:54 | A partição 3 possui fins físico/lógico diferentes:
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| 16:54 | fís. = (112, 97, 32) lógico = (905370, 57, 27)
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| 16:54 | A partição 3 não termina no limite do cilindro.
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| 16:54 | /dev/sdb4 ? 738782 738796 27107 0 Vazia
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| 16:54 | A partição 4 possui inícios físico/lógico diferentes (não Linux?):
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| 16:54 | fís. = (10, 114, 13) lógico = (738781, 41, 25)
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| 16:54 | A partição 4 possui fins físico/lógico diferentes:
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| 16:54 | fís. = (0, 0, 0) lógico = (738795, 33, 50)
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| 16:54 | A partição 4 não termina no limite do cilindro.
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| 16:54 | Partições lógicas fora da ordem do disco
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| 16:54 | the pendrive have only logical partitions
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| 16:55 | <lns> ryud, ever hear of pastebin?
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| 16:55 | !pastebin
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| 16:55 | <ltspbot`> lns: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 16:55 | <lns> !paste
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| 16:55 | <ltspbot`> lns: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 16:55 | <lns> hmm...nm haha
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| 16:55 | <ryud> sorry i dont hear about him
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| 16:56 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 16:56 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 16:57 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:57 | ryud: that pen drive is amongst some that report a false partition table
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| 16:58 | these, by default, aren't handled on the terminals, because the mechanism on the terminals tries these false partitions looking for a filesystem that is not there
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| 16:58 | * Gadi had written some code at some point to work around this, but didn't have a drive like that to test it :) | |
| 16:58 | <Gadi> ...and, I have to leave in 2 mins
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| 16:59 | if you are around tomorrow, maybe I can send you the code to try
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| 16:59 | <ryud> ok gadi
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| 16:59 | tomorrow im stay here
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| 16:59 | thank you
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| 16:59 | for the great help
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| 17:00 | <Gadi> np
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| 17:00 | looking forward to fixing it
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| 17:00 | :)
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| 17:00 | <ryud> :)
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> ok, so this is perplexing to me....
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| 17:07 | if i manually run:
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> hm
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| 17:09 | ok
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| 17:10 | while read DEV DIR TYPE OPTIONS DUMP PASS; do echo $DIR ; done < /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 17:10 | it behaves as expected, echo'ing one line for each entry in the fstab
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| 17:10 | however....
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| 17:11 | while read DEV DIR TYPE OPTIONS DUMP PASS; do ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter ${DIR} add" ; done < /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 17:11 | it only gets the very first line
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| 17:17 | otavio: any ideas?
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| 17:18 | ogra: ?
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| 17:19 | <otavio> vagrantc: put echo before ssh and see if it does call all the needed ones
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> while read DEV DIR TYPE OPTIONS DUMP PASS; do echo ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter ${DIR} add" ; done < /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 17:20 | only gets a single line
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| 17:20 | there's two lines in the file
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| 17:21 | er
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| 17:21 | wait...
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| 17:21 | <otavio> hehe
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> whenever i use echo it gets both lines
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| 17:21 | when i use ssh it only gets the first line
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| 17:22 | <otavio> vagrantc: because it doesn't split the lines ... isn't it?
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> otavio: ?
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| 17:26 | otavio: i don't understand you?
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> well... my workaround is: while read DEV DIR TYPE OPTIONS DUMP PASS ; do DIRS="$DIRS $DIR" ; done < /var/run/ltspfs_fstab ; for DIR in $DIRS ; do ssh -X -S ....
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| 18:19 | <ari_stress> morning everyone :D
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| 20:36 | <ryudo> hi all
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| 20:38 | <ari_stress> hi
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| 20:47 | <ryudo> :) i need help wich pendrivers and cdroms plgued in my server
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| 20:47 | the user terminals can see my pendrive pluged on server :(
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| 20:48 | see that pic
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| 20:48 | http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelabp4.png
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| 20:50 | <ari_stress> and?
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| 20:51 | <ryudo> ari sorry but my english is not good
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| 20:51 | but I try explain for you my probleman
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| 20:52 | When I put my pendrive on my LTSP server, hes opening in terminals too !, but the terminal users dont have permission to view my files
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| 20:53 | look the temrinal screen when i put the pendrive on server
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| 20:53 | http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelabp4.png
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| 20:58 | anyone can help ?
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| 20:58 | ogra
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| 20:58 | :)
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| 21:04 | <ari_stress> ryudo: what ltsp? 5?
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| 21:04 | in ltsp5, we need to put the users in the fuse group
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| 21:04 | <ryudo> LTSP 5 wich ubuntu 7.04 feisty
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| 21:04 | i try use the hal 5.9 (backports)
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| 21:04 | <ari_stress> ah
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| 21:04 | <ryudo> but dont fix :(
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| 21:04 | <ari_stress> yes
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| 21:05 | <ryudo> i try HAL 5.8
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| 21:05 | <ari_stress> why the backport? feisty is fine
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| 21:05 | <ryudo> and 5.9
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| 21:05 | the issue persist
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| 21:05 | this a HAL probleman ?
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| 21:07 | <ari_stress> as far as i remember with feisty, client read usbdisk just ok
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| 21:08 | <ryudo> i need fix it do you now how ?
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| 22:56 | <rjune_> jammcq !
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| 23:17 | <aboo0ood> hi everybody, i wanna ask if the thin-client does have an X server ..
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| 23:19 | <sutula> aboo0ood: It does...that's about all it has (usually)
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| 23:20 | <aboo0ood> sutula, and there's an X server on the LTSP server ?
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| 23:20 | sutula, shouldn't the client have an X client instead of X server ?
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| 23:20 | <sutula> aboo0ood: Not used for ltsp...doesn't have to have one at all
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| 23:21 | aboo0ood: The X programs are clients running on the server, and talk to the thin-client's X server
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| 23:22 | * sutula thinks that surely, someone else here can explain it better, as sutula is tired | |
| 23:22 | <aboo0ood> sutula, thanx
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| 23:23 | anyone can help ?
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| 23:24 | <sutula> aboo0ood: Have you ever logged into a remote machine, then used something like "ssh -X" to send the window from an X application back to your computer? It's basically like that.
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| 23:24 | <rjune_> the X server talks to the graphics hardware. X clients are the programs that talk to the X server
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| 23:24 | it's backwards what you would initially think, but it it makes sense
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| 23:26 | <aboo0ood> rjune_, X server is just an interface between progs and the HW ?
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| 23:27 | <sutula> aboo0ood: Yes...an interface that can handle connections from multiple programs and the hardware
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| 23:29 | <rjune_> pretty much
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| 23:31 | <sutula> aboo0ood: Are you just trying to wrap your mind around what ltsp is, or is there something more you're trying to understand?
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| 23:32 | <aboo0ood> sutula, i was reading about X window system trying to understand LTSP
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| 23:34 | <sutula> aboo0ood: Think of it as the thin client providing the screen, keyboard, and mouse that are being used by programs running on a central server
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| 23:35 | <aboo0ood> sutula, i got this point, now i am trying to figure out what's the role of the display manager and how it works !
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| 23:36 | sutula, i was reading in wikipedia : "A display manager can run on the same computer where the user sits or on a remote one. In the first case, the display manager starts one or more X servers"
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| 23:36 | can more than one X server be started !
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| 23:36 | <sutula> aboo0ood: It makes the initial connection between the thin client and the server...sets up the whole environment so that a user can run programs
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| 23:37 | Each thin client has it's own X server, so yes
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| 23:38 | aboo0ood: I think terminology gets in the way here
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| 23:38 | When X speaks of a display manager, it's like gnome or kde (or a myriad of others)
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| 23:39 | ldm (which is the ltsp display manager) is really only for the initial login screen and setting up the connection between the thin client and what ends up running on the central server
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| 23:40 | <aboo0ood> where does LDM reside ?
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| 23:40 | <sutula> aboo0ood: It runs on the thin client as it boots up
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| 23:41 | ...but that may be misleading because it uses pieces on the server to do what it needs to do as well
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| 23:44 | <aboo0ood> sutula, so after the thin client boots up it runs LDM which initiates communication with LTSP server, which communicates with the X server on the thin client to display the login screen ??
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| 23:44 | <sutula> Yes...I wish I could have answered you that clearly earlier :)
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| 23:48 | <aboo0ood> sutula, wikipedia says : "A display manager can run on the same computer where the user sits or on a remote one. In the first case, the display manager starts one or more X servers, displaying the login screen at the beginning and (optionally) every time the user logs out. In the second case, the display manager works according to the XDMCP protocol."
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| 23:48 | and older versions of LTSP used to use XDMCP, so isn't it that LDM resides on the server ?
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| 23:49 | <cyberorg> ldm is client side
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| 23:49 | <aboo0ood> what was XDMCP used for then ?
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| 23:50 | <cyberorg> xdmcp is run on the server, it allows remote X session
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| 23:51 | ldm is run on the client and it jsut does ssh -X user@server Xsession among other things
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| 23:51 | both almost have same effect but technically they are world apart
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| 23:52 | <sutula> XDMCP provides similar functionality to ldm, but ldm was written later and is specifically for ltsp...it is more tuned for that use
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| 23:53 | <aboo0ood> isn't the ssh -X part done from the server to the thin-client ?
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| 23:53 | <johnny> no
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| 23:57 | <aboo0ood> thanx guys
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| 23:58 | * sutula nods | |