IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 31 July 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:39 | <shogunx> hola vagrantc
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| 08:40 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 08:43 | <shogunx> can i impose upon you to share a brief overview of some wisdom concerning ltsping this hp client?
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| 08:44 | general strategy, method of kernel insertion, etc.
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| 08:45 | <vagrantc> which one?
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| 08:46 | * vagrantc is kind of in the middle of traveling | |
| 08:46 | <shogunx> 5235
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| 08:46 | <vagrantc> i'd been working a little with the arm-based hp t5325
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| 08:46 | <shogunx> oh, still on the road. no worries then.
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| 08:46 | <vagrantc> i hope to write up some more documentation when i get home
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| 08:46 | shogunx: but if there's something simple i can help with, go ahead and ask
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| 08:47 | <shogunx> how did you get the kernel in, and i assume you cross compiled that kernel?
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| 08:48 | <vagrantc> no, the kernel in debian stable works fine
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| 08:48 | well, mostly
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| 08:49 | shogunx: do you have access to the serial console?
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| 08:49 | <shogunx> pin headers? i can crack it open if necessary
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| 08:49 | <vagrantc> it's remarkably easy to open
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| 08:50 | shogunx: this proved very helpful: http://lacie.busfreaks.nl/2011/05/customizing-the-hp-t5325-with-opening-the-box/
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| 08:50 | <shogunx> ok, so output kernel spew to ttyS0
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| 08:50 | <vagrantc> getting into uboot is the key, and then you can network boot from uboot
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| 08:51 | http://bugs.debian.org/630113
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| 08:51 | i was able to get X with fbdev to work
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| 08:52 | <shogunx> sweet
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> http://paste.debian.net/124644/
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| 08:53 | http://lacie.busfreaks.nl/2011/06/video-issues-on-the-t5325/
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| 08:54 | http://bugs.debian.org/630113
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| 08:55 | shogunx: i'd highly recommend making a bootable usb stick to unbrick the thing in case you hose uboot
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| 08:55 | i think one of the busfreaks.nl posts mentions how to do that
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| 08:56 | shogunx: i also figured out how to set uboot values from the built-in thinpro OS by getting into administrative mode and then using fw_printenv and fw_setenv or something like that
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| 08:56 | <shogunx> did you make a arm client target in debian ltsp? or is it at the stage of "hack together a filesystem, add ltsp components"
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> shogunx: install ltsp-server and qemu-user-static, run ltsp-build-client --arch armel --kernel-packages linux-image-kirkwood
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| 08:57 | should work seamlessly
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| 08:57 | <shogunx> drool. nice job
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> did a bunch of cross-arch qemu work this week ... also have mipsel and apparently got powerpc by fixing mipsel
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| 08:58 | so i booted a lemote yeelong with a cross-installed ltsp
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| 08:59 | <shogunx> and this provides native binaries to the client, or the client runs a qemu instance?
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| 08:59 | <vagrantc> i'll try and write some more comprehensive docs up when i get home ... disklessworkstations folks kindly hooked me up with one of the hp t5325 to test
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| 08:59 | shogunx: native binaries to the client
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| 09:00 | shogunx: the qemu-user-static is just for the server-side stuff ... to be able to manage the chroot cross-arch
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| 09:00 | <shogunx> yeah, i bought one off them to fool with. i will buy more once i check it out.
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> so you can do: chroot /opt/ltsp/armel, and it configures binfmt-support to register arm binaries to be run with the appropriate qemu emulator
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| 09:01 | i forget if you need to manually install binfmt-support, too ...
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| 09:01 | <shogunx> i need to set uboot on each client manually tho, eh?
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| 09:01 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's the big downside
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| 09:02 | <shogunx> and serial header is necessary for this?
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> you *might* be able to pull it off without the serial just by setting the right uboot variables from the thinpro OS
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| 09:02 | <shogunx> oh, wait, you got tho those varianbles thrugh... ^^
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> but you'll want the usb stick to reflash in case you get it wrong
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| 09:03 | <shogunx> environment variables, yes?
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> and once getting familiar with it, you might be able to make a network-bootable image or some such to reflash
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| 09:03 | yes, uboot environment variables
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| 09:04 | <shogunx> ok, i can likely fill in the details on that. it would please me to be able to use these clients with the systems i am building to ship now.
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> it's probably easiest to have the serial for initial development, but i'm 90% certain once you figure out how to do it, you could make a usb/network boot image that could handle the flashing pretty easily.
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| 09:04 | <shogunx> i am just not satisfied with the video performance on my geode based clients.
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| 09:05 | well, if its the equivalent of export FOO=BAR and reboot, that would be quite nice.
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| 09:06 | <vagrantc> these might not be hugely better ... i was talking to tbm (who got the support into debian) who wasunimpressed by the video performance and was thinking of removing it from debian-installer
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| 09:06 | <shogunx> well, the video ram is low on the geodes... thats all.
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| 09:07 | it does not like the 23" displays i got for these systems at what i would consider a reasonable resolution.
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| 09:07 | <vagrantc> i was able to do 1280x1024 24bpp
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| 09:07 | <shogunx> i think the ratio is different on these displays, but yeah
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> or 1024x768 @ 24
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| 09:08 | just to give you an idea of what's it's capable of
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| 09:08 | <shogunx> is performance comperable to the factory graphics?
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| 09:08 | other than accel, perhaps?
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> it seemed less buggy than what was shipped
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| 09:09 | the drivers shipped had some artifact issues ... when i switched to fbdev it seemed much cleaner
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| 09:09 | <shogunx> very nice
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> shogunx: this for some solar plans?
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| 09:10 | <shogunx> two 5-seat solar powered networks on kiritimati (christmas island), kiribati
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| 09:11 | i have the rest of the thing built, and i have the geodes in stock, but if i can't tweak that to my liking, then i will likely get 10 of these, based on what you are telling me.
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| 09:11 | <vagrantc> shogunx: i actually mentioned that there might be interest from people doing solar setups to tbm yesterday ... good to know i was (unknowingly) basing that on reality :)
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| 09:12 | <shogunx> oh for sure.
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| 09:12 | if an arm will do on 3 watts what a geode will do on 6, the arm wins hands down. particularly if it can give me a little better user experience too.
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> also talked to bdale garbee (who works at hp), about getting more meaningful patches from hp in case there are some unmerged kernel patches that would be feasible to forward-port to newer kernels
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| 09:13 | <shogunx> sure, i eat a couple grand on these geode clients, which do quite well with a 15 or 17" 4:3 display, but oh well.
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| 09:13 | i can find a use for them.
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> well, good talking, but i'd best figure out where to sleep tonight :)
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| 09:14 | <shogunx> can i paypal you a donation for your assistance, to aid development?
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> i suspect we could figure something out :)
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| 09:17 | i don't use paypal, though
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| 09:19 | <shogunx> sure, whichever way you like;)
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| 09:25 | * Hyperbyte high fives shogunx | |
| 09:27 | * shogunx high fives, low fives, and shakes. | |
| 09:28 | <Hyperbyte> Haha
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| 09:28 | Morning everyone. :)
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| 14:37 | <anti_system> hey guys
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| 14:38 | i install edubuntu 11.04 with ltsp and when i try to login on thin client
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| 14:38 | only say: reponse from server, restarting
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| 14:39 | and yes i reboot server and client && update keys and image
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| 15:02 | <markit> anti_system: I'm leaving, but just a stupid question... are you really really sure the username/password are correct? You can login with them in the server console?
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| 15:03 | s/server/server's
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| 15:03 | <anti_system> markit yes
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| 15:03 | it my usual login
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| 15:03 | and then i try other login test
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| 15:03 | and notinhg
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| 15:03 | <markit> '/var/log/auth.log does help?
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| 15:04 | <anti_system> maybe
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| 15:04 | let me look
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| 15:05 | <markit> and you area really sure sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and sudo ltsp-update-image and reboot the thin client?
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| 15:05 | <anti_system> yes
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| 15:05 | more than one time
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| 15:06 | <markit> some tips: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugThinClientLogin
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| 15:06 | <anti_system> markit ever you use ltsp+edubuntu
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| 15:06 | <markit> I'm using ltsp with kubuntu
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| 15:06 | <anti_system> how you create users on server?
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| 15:07 | kuser or something right?
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| 15:07 | <markit> the problem is that I'm not expert of the inside of the ltsp, so can't troublesoot too much
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| 15:07 | I use adduser from command line
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| 15:07 | but if you can login from the server is ok
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| 15:07 | (with that test user)
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| 15:07 | <anti_system> feeling so noob after years....
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| 15:07 | <markit> me too :(
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| 15:08 | I'm also becoming too old to keep everything in mind
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| 15:08 | and I've so much notes about various topics, that I can find nothing at the end of the day.. and use google
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| 15:09 | <anti_system> maybe is a nox11 mode
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| 15:09 | on config files
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| 15:10 | <markit> do you mean that could it be that logs but X session then dies?
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| 15:10 | btw, I've to run, sorry!
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| 15:10 | good luck
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| 15:10 | <anti_system> thanks
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| 15:10 | :)
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| 15:46 | <anti_system> hey
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| 15:47 | i'm using ltsp+edubuntu 11.04 and when i try to login on thin client says: reponse from server, restarting
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| 15:48 | in /var/auth.log says:
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| 15:48 | Jul 31 16:37:55 X38-DS5 sshd[2420]: Failed password for testuser from 192.168.0.20 port 50956 ssh2
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| 15:48 | Jul 31 16:37:53 X38-DS5 sshd[2420]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=192.168.0.20 user=testuser
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| 15:56 | <Hyperbyte> anti_system, stop being an ass.
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| 15:58 | anti_system, just be a little patient. It's weekend for crying out loud...
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| 15:58 | Your auth.log clearly says "Failed password". Meaning the password you set for 'testuser' is different than the password you're entering in ldm
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| 15:59 | Try resetting testuser's password.
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| 16:01 | <anti_system> hyperbyte when i create a user with a tool on gnome
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| 16:01 | have to make more thing?
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| 16:01 | things*
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| 16:02 | to can login on clients?
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| 16:06 | <Hyperbyte> Did you set a password for the user?
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| 16:08 | <anti_system> yes
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| 16:08 | <Hyperbyte> Type 'ssh testuser@localhost' on the server, see if you can log in that way
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| 16:08 | <anti_system> yes i can
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| 16:08 | <Hyperbyte> Then you should be able to log in via LDM. LDM uses ssh to connect.
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| 16:09 | <anti_system> ldm for kde and gdm for gnome yes?
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| 16:09 | <Hyperbyte> No
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| 16:09 | LDM is the LTSP login manager
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| 16:10 | When you boot a thin client, and get a login prompt, that's LDM
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| 16:10 | <anti_system> ok
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| 16:11 | <Hyperbyte> If you've been messing with the login manager on the client, then that's the reason you can't login.
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| 16:12 | <anti_system> apt-get install ldm is the way?
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| 16:12 | lololol
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| 16:12 | <Hyperbyte> No, everything is configured by default the way it's supposed to work... something you did afterwards has probably broken .... it...
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| 16:12 | What the heck...
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| 16:21 | <anti_system> hyperbyte i install ldm
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| 16:21 | and cant solv
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| 16:31 | <anti_system> hey alkisg
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 16:32 | <anti_system> yyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh
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| 16:33 | itworks
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| 16:36 | i think its a keyboard config problem...
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| 16:52 | <Damianos> Having a networking issue. As per advice I received from the very helpful Hyperbyte and alkisg, I managed to get my server (edubuntu) set to rely on NetworkManager to configure interfaces. As per gnome documentation the only thing in my /etc/network/interfaces are two lines for the loopback. When I do a route -n , it shows a gateway for eth0 but no separate gateway for wlan1 I don't want to poke around too much with this thing f
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| 16:52 | fear of making a big mess.
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> Damianos: put 0.0.0.0 in network manager as the eth0 gateway
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| 16:53 | <Damianos> ok
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> Damianos: also, please take a step back, and tell us why you don't want to use just eth0 for everything
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| 16:53 | I.e., for both internet and ltsp network
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| 16:54 | You may have a good reason there, or you just might not know that this is easily doable
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| 16:57 | <Damianos> I want to keep the lab private. The rest of the school is on windows and the IT staff are very uncooperative
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Good reason. OK, go ahead and try the 0.0.0.0 gateway
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| 17:01 | <Damianos> the internet is working now
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| 17:01 | trying to boot a thin client now
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| 17:02 | OMG it finally freaking works
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| 17:03 | I was up til 4 am tinkering last night
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> :)
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| 17:03 | <Damianos> alkisg apo pou eisai?
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> From Ioannina
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| 17:04 | In which country did you say you live?
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| 17:04 | <Damianos> tennessee
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| 17:04 | lol
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> :)
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| 17:04 | <Damianos> I meant where you live now....Ioannina?
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> Yes, well right now I'm on vacations in Ithaca
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| 17:05 | <Damianos> man that's not right
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| 17:05 | you shouldn't be dealing with me while on vacations
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> Hehe people do need to relax in a pc after relaxing all day at the beach
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| 17:06 | <Damianos> too bad...I wanted to know if you were in the US because I will be playing in the southeast for about six weeks starting in september
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> Playing? Do you mean living there temporarily?
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| 17:07 | <Damianos> I was hoping that you'd be in one of the cities I'll be at so I can buy you a beer
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| 17:07 | * alkisg hopes will be at the UDS in florida in late october | |
| 17:07 | <Damianos> No, I grew up in toronto
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| 17:07 | but now live in chattanooga area
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| 17:08 | www.damianos.biz
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| 17:08 | it's a basic site I threw together
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| 17:08 | but it works
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| 17:08 | lol
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| 17:08 | I'll be playing bouzouki in asheville,atlanta,columbia and marietta
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> How do you spell your last name in greek? Σιδηρόπουλος;
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| 17:09 | <Damianos> that's it'
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> Wouldn't that transliterate to "Sidiropoulos" ?
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| 17:09 | <Damianos> well I was born in boudapesti
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| 17:09 | they butchered it there
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> :)
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| 17:09 | <Damianos> now nobody gets it right
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| 17:10 | my birth certificate says Damjanosz
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> Ouch
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| 17:10 | <Damianos> touvles
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| 17:10 | lol
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> Teleiws :P :FD
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| 17:10 | <Damianos> I know a guy that got off way worse than me
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| 17:11 | his name was giorgos
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| 17:11 | which in English is George
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| 17:11 | but in Hungarian is Gyorgy
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| 17:12 | Hungarians say Gyuri as an informal way of saying gyorgy (Jim vs Jimmy sort of thing)
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| 17:12 | so the buttheads put Gyurisz on his birth certificate
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| 17:12 | <alkisg> Hahaha
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| 17:12 | <Damianos> he's still pissed to this day
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| 17:13 | Well, I'll let you get back to your vacation
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> OK, good luck with the rest
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| 17:14 | <Damianos> yes and thanks to both you and Hyperbyte. You guys are the best
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