IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <horochovec> johnny see ?
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| 00:00 | <johnny> yes.. that looks fine
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| 00:00 | next question..
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| 00:00 | are you running any OTHER dhcp server on this lan?
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| 00:01 | <horochovec> no no
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| 00:02 | and i'm using a notebook with windows vista and i'm using this dhcpd ..
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| 00:02 | the dhcp server running normal..
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| 00:02 | <johnny> so the ip it got, is within the ip range for your dhcp server?
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| 00:02 | ok.. try connecting to the tftp server directly
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| 00:03 | <horochovec> well
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| 00:03 | i dont no
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| 00:03 | ;/
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| 00:03 | <johnny> well.. look at the screen :)
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| 00:07 | <horochovec> johnny
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| 00:07 | root@servidor:/tftpboot/ltsp# tftp localhost
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| 00:07 | tftp>
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| 00:07 | normal..
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| 00:09 | but i try to get the ltst/pxelinux.0 and dont work
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| 00:11 | <johnny> get ltsp/pxelinux.0
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| 00:11 | that doesn't work?
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| 00:11 | <horochovec> no
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| 00:11 | ;/
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| 00:14 | <johnny> hmm.. can the tftp user read them..
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| 00:19 | <horochovec> well
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| 00:19 | my problem is the tftp ?
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| 00:25 | <johnny> or the dhcp provided path isn't being seen by your client
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| 00:26 | try to write down some more of the output from when it tries to network boot
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| 00:27 | altho if you see the part that shows it trying to look for for file based on mac addresses, you can ignore that
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| 00:39 | <horochovec> johnny
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| 00:40 | the boot works now..
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| 00:40 | but dont show the desktop mode..
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| 00:41 | <johnny> what does it show/
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| 00:42 | <horochovec> shell console
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| 00:42 | but the login dont work
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| 00:42 | normal and root user
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| 00:42 | <johnny> uhmm.. any errors?
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| 00:44 | <horochovec> i will restarting thin client
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| 00:44 | the first look i dont see anything about erros
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| 00:44 | two erros
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| 00:44 | mount failed to selinuxfs
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| 01:11 | <kwak> i don't see why my clients are not working now. i checked the eth0 configuration if it has the BRIDGE=ltspbr0 line (it's there)
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| 01:12 | checked dhcpd if running (running), but clients not getting login screen.
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| 01:27 | <warren> kwak: brctl show
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| 01:27 | kwak: do you see eth0 as part of ltspbr0?
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| 01:30 | <kwak> warren, i issued the commandl brstl show, but command not found
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| 01:30 | <warren> kwak: brctl show
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| 01:30 | kwak: as root
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| 01:31 | kwak: /usr/sbin/brctl show
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| 01:31 | * warren sleep | |
| 01:32 | <kwak> i only see ltspbr0 and pan0
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| 01:33 | <kwak> ok this answers it, but it worked last night until i restarted the server.
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| 01:36 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:42 | <johnny> so close to getting localdev to work.. :(
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| 01:43 | <cyberorg> johnny, need help? :)
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| 01:50 | <johnny> i'm missing /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 01:51 | aha.. it showed up
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| 01:54 | <johnny> it looks like the udev rule isn't firing
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| 01:56 | hmm.. so.. i try to start it up manually on the ldm socket
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| 01:56 | and i get "Couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN"
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| 01:56 | <johnny> even though i see a token right here.
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| 02:01 | <kwak> well, ok FC9/LTSP5 looks like will not work for me for now. switching back to CentOS
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| 02:11 | <cyberorg> johnny, you have mcookie thing running?
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| 02:12 | <johnny> running constantly?
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| 02:12 | <cyberorg> no, just once
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| 02:12 | <johnny> uhmm.. i can't tell ? i assume it did
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| 02:13 | <cyberorg> mcookie > /var/run/ltspfs_token
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| 02:13 | <johnny> i have both ldm-xauth- and ltspfs_token
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| 02:13 | <cyberorg> it runs from init scripts
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| 02:13 | <johnny> i have something in ltspfs_token
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| 02:13 | <cyberorg> see ltsp-init-common
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| 02:13 | <johnny> that seems to run
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| 02:15 | i see it that it does run, and i have ltspfsd running, and cdpinger
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| 02:16 | <cyberorg> you have LOCAL_APPS=true in lts.conf?
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| 02:16 | <johnny> huh?
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| 02:16 | local devices
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| 02:16 | what does local_apps have to do with it?
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| 02:16 | <cyberorg> LOCALDEV=True
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| 02:16 | <johnny> no need
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| 02:16 | it defaults to true
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| 02:16 | it runs everything that proves that is such
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| 02:16 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 02:17 | try udevtrigger and see if ltsp_fstab get populated
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| 02:18 | <johnny> that works
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| 02:19 | udevadm trigger tho
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| 02:20 | they have no contents
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| 02:27 | <johnny> got it..
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| 02:27 | now.. why isn't udev seeing the event..
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| 03:06 | <ltsppbot> "vmlintu" pasted "nxagent benchmarks rejected by sourceforge" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/59
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| 03:07 | <vmlintu> cyberorg: I did some benchmarking with nxagent if you are interested. SF.net seems to be refusing any message that says "**agent improves performance", so I'm givin up on the mailing lists..
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| 03:09 | <cyberorg> vmlintu, you can post a link to pastebin on the ML :)
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| 03:09 | vmlintu, any benchmarks for server load with many clients?
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| 03:09 | your tests look impressive :)
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| 03:10 | i'll be adding your script to our packages in case someone wants to run via nxagent, they would just have to enable it from lts.conf
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| 03:10 | <vmlintu> We did some tests with live users but as logins started to fail because of some permission problems, we had to revert back really quickly
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| 03:10 | <cyberorg> it should get upstreamed
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| 03:11 | <vmlintu> The CPU overhead seems to be minimal, though
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| 03:11 | memory usage is something I'm more worried about
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| 03:12 | <vmlintu> Basically it reduces the memory usage on the thin client and uses more memory on the server to draw the X display
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| 03:12 | <cyberorg> could this be somehow be extended to easily use nxproxy for compressed x traffic?
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| 03:12 | <vmlintu> Using nxproxy requires using nxclient, I think
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| 03:15 | <vmlintu> The nice thing about nxagent is that it still talks with normal X protocol to the thin client, nxproxy uses the NX protocol instead
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| 03:16 | <cyberorg> ah didnt know that, i liked how it worked with nxagent, localdev, apps etc all worked as normal
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| 03:17 | <vmlintu> It might be possible to get the session transfers working with nxagent, though
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| 03:17 | Of cource localdevs, sound etc would need changes too, but nxagent should support session persistency + transfer to new display
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| 03:24 | http://web01.nomachine.com/documentation/building-components.php
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| 03:27 | <cyberorg> yeah saw that, i am not too clear how all the pieces work together till i actually see it in action, your nxagent stuff was easy to implement :)
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| 03:28 | <vmlintu> If you have a chance to do any benchmarking, I'm all ears
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| 03:42 | <johnny> ok.. got stuff in there :)
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| 05:30 | <exp2_> how i can install nvidia drivers to ltsp5 and 7.10? I have tried to install nvidia-glx to chroot and used XSERVER=nvidia on lts.conf. But i still can get it work
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| 05:34 | <ogra> exp2_, you also need linux-restricted-modules in the chroot (note that takes up 15-25M of extra ram)
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| 05:38 | <exp2_> got it now
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| 05:52 | <isojussi> is it possible to connect scanner to client in ltsp5 and 7.10?
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| 05:53 | it worked in 4.2, but ltsp is different
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| 05:53 | ltsp5
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| 05:54 | <ogra> shouldnt be to different ... afaik you need to install the sane stuff in the chroot and export the right global variable
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| 05:54 | the way should be similar
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| 05:55 | <isojussi> http://bootpolish.net/pageloader.pl?page=home_ltsp_ltsp5scanning found this aricle, but it is for debian
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| 05:56 | <ogra> debian was based on the ubuntu ltsp in 7.10 (today we are rather equivalent as more developmen comes from debian than ubuntu)
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| 05:57 | s/in 7,10/up to 7.10/
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| 05:57 | <Nubae> yeah works fine on hardy, last I checked worked for a hp psc all in one running on a client
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| 05:59 | <ogra> just keep in mond that ubuntu uses nbd/squashfs from 7.10 on ... so after all your modification in the chroot you have to run ltsp-update-image ... beyond that the howto should work
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| 05:59 | <isojussi> there is no file inetd.conf in /etc/
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| 06:00 | <ogra> well, then nstall the inetd :)
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| 06:01 | i wonder why its in debian by default ... that a security hole ....
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| 06:01 | *thats
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| 06:07 | <Nubae> hmmm in the ltsp manual, should I add how to do authentication via ldap?
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| 06:07 | like the full steps for the client side
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| 06:07 | its not that much and it seems to something people ask about a lot
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| 06:16 | * Nubae takes out all of thin client manager from documentation and instead urges users to install italc | |
| 06:24 | <ogra> in an addednum section ... and note that we generally dont require *any* additional auth mechanism please
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| 06:25 | we try hard to avoid having to use things like ldap when we develop so people should really only use it if they desperately need it
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| 06:25 | the wording should make them aware of that fact
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| 06:26 | <Nubae> ok, the only place I see it being quite important is for fat clients
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| 06:27 | <Nubae> what about ital install instructions... should I add those?
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| 06:35 | <ogra> apt-get install italc-client ?
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| 06:35 | sure why not
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| 06:35 | note that edubuntu-desktop brings it by default
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| 07:31 | <Nubae> ogra: problem is the ltsp manual is supposed to be distribution non-specific... so can I write... either apt-get install italc-client on debian/ubuntu and yum install italc-client on Fedora
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| 07:31 | or... what would be even better...
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| 07:31 | get people to install smart
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| 07:31 | and then everyone could have the same install instructions for apps
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| 07:33 | ogra: is all the chroot stuff enabled by default on hardy for italc?
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| 07:33 | <cyberorg> Nubae, nothing is required in client chroot
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| 07:34 | <Nubae> was before... so now its all there by default?
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| 07:35 | <cyberorg> italc can run two ways, one is where all the clients are running on the server itself, another is to install in chroot and run from there
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| 07:35 | ica launch script that is in suse and ubuntu is smart and launches the client accordingly
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| 07:36 | and all the clients are auto detected by italc manager, thanks to stgraber :)
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| 07:36 | <Nubae> ok so instructions are install italc-client and italc-manager
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| 07:37 | <cyberorg> just installing italc, italc-client and italc-master on the server is enough
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| 07:37 | <ogra> the default should be to *not* install in the chrot
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| 07:38 | <cyberorg> http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/iTALC
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| 07:38 | <Nubae> cyberorg: what do u think of the idea of having a common packet management system across distros, like smart
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| 07:38 | <ogra> you *can* install it in the chroot and gain additional feature
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| 07:38 | s
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| 07:38 | <Nubae> ogra: which additional features?
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| 07:38 | <cyberorg> Nubae, with 1-click users dont have to know what technology they are using :)
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| 07:38 | ogra, just shutdown is additional
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| 07:39 | <Nubae> cyberorg: thats great, except when I look at the instructions on italc for suse, it doesnt use one click to install
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| 07:39 | <ogra> ah, right
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| 07:39 | shutdown/reboot
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| 07:39 | <cyberorg> yeah that too :)
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| 07:39 | * cyberorg prefers command line ;) | |
| 07:39 | <Nubae> think anyone managing a ltsp server is going to need the command line whether they like it or not
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| 07:40 | <Nubae> but if smart was installed by default on all, it would be very easy to explain install instructions for all apps
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| 07:41 | <ogra> in ubuntu: click add/remove in the menu, type italc-client into the rearch bar, set the check in the checkbox and follow the instructions
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| 07:41 | *search bar
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| 07:41 | <Nubae> yeah, that multiplies the instructions * distro...
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| 07:41 | <cyberorg> smart does not do delta rpm, mixed arch repos, package bundles and many other useful things only a native package manager can have
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| 07:42 | <ogra> and you never know how well its maintained in any of the distros
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| 07:42 | i dont think (even though we employ the original author) it is massively well maintained in ubuntu
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| 07:42 | <Nubae> supposedly its quite active... at least the developers of it seem confident =)
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| 07:43 | <ogra> well, the question is which upstream release is in the distros
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| 07:43 | that might vary a lot from distro to distro
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| 07:44 | so i wouldnt recommend smart as the general distro independent tool
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| 07:44 | <cyberorg> all distros would have 1-click install sooner or later
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| 07:45 | <Nubae> ogra: that is something that can be verified pretty easily
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| 07:45 | what other options are there?
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| 07:45 | <ogra> use the distro packaging tools
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| 07:45 | which is what i would go for
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| 07:45 | its the safe path
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| 07:45 | <Nubae> the whole manual is written command line based... so 1 click install is out
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| 07:45 | <cyberorg> Nubae, packagekit would be standard interface across all distros
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| 07:46 | <ogra> well, then apt-get for ubuntu/debian, yum for the others
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| 07:46 | and ask johnny for gentoo ... no idea how to do it there
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| 07:46 | <Nubae> yum is default for suse too?
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| 07:46 | <cyberorg> ogra, zypper for suse, emerge for gentoo :)
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| 07:46 | <Nubae> sigh...
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| 07:46 | <ogra> or leave it out ;)
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| 07:46 | the details i mean
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| 07:47 | <cyberorg> you can put links to distros wiki for italc installation instructions
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| 07:47 | <ogra> "for client session maintenance we recommend to use italc, install it with the package management tool of your distro"
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| 07:47 | cyberorg, thats a bit tricky
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| 07:47 | <Nubae> ogra: that seems the best solution...
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| 07:47 | <ogra> we want to be able to ship ltsp-doc packages from that
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| 07:48 | so links might not be appropriate depending what output format you use for your package
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| 07:48 | <Nubae> yeah we cant put exceptions for every suse related thing... the manual is already 2* bigger...
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| 07:48 | <ogra> input is docbook ... that can end up as txt as well as pdf or html
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| 07:48 | or xml
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| 07:48 | <cyberorg> Nubae, not just suse related :)
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| 07:48 | <ogra> well
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| 07:49 | <Nubae> as I understand it... ubuntu and debian are identical, fedora and gentoo different, and suse very different
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| 07:49 | <ogra> i'd really keep distro specifis out there
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| 07:49 | <Nubae> but maybe I'm wrong...
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| 07:50 | <ogra> else it wouldnt ,ake sense that we all standardize on things like ltsp-build-client
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| 07:50 | the handbook should really only cover the ltsp scripts, lts.conf and give hints to apps you can install
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| 07:50 | <cyberorg> yeah
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| 07:50 | <ogra> admins should know how to use their own package manager
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| 07:51 | keep it as generic as you can
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| 07:51 | in the end its called ltsp-doc ... not ltsp-doc-ubuntu or ltsp-doc-fedora or some such
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| 07:51 | <Nubae> ogra: thats what I'm trying... just realised the ldap stuff has to go out now... cause thats totally ubuntu specific
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| 07:52 | <ogra> its a bzr tree of xml files, if distro docteams what to enhance that they can easily merge their specific help docs
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| 07:52 | a package build time
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| 07:52 | *at
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| 07:52 | <cyberorg> ogra, or do an appendix with their nuances
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| 07:52 | <ogra> right
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| 07:52 | as they like
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| 07:52 | but such stuff doesnt belong upstream imho
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| 07:53 | <cyberorg> Nubae, would have had a hard time if there were 50 more distros shipping ltsp :)
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| 07:53 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:53 | <Nubae> managing users and groups... in the manual it talks about tcm... this needs to be replaced by command line to be non distro specific
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| 07:54 | <ogra> adduser
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| 07:54 | <Nubae> right
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| 07:54 | <ogra> should be on every distro
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| 07:54 | <cyberorg> useradd
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| 07:55 | no way to beat this kind of thing
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| 07:55 | <ogra> eeek
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| 07:55 | no, please dont
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| 07:56 | useradd should *never ever* be used manually ... its a tool for admin scripts ... adduser is usually preconfigured for the distro defaults
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| 07:56 | <cyberorg> ogra, we dont have adduser, we have useradd, special user management utils that does NIS and ldap as well
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| 07:56 | <Nubae> Lns wrote a nice little manual on how to add users, end processes that kinda thing... I'm going to include his instructions...
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| 07:56 | <ogra> like adding the user to the default groups etc
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| 07:56 | *sigh*
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| 07:56 | <Nubae> sigh indeed
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| 07:56 | <ogra> i know adduser is on debian, fedora, ubuntu
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| 07:57 | and used as the backend tool for all GUIs
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| 07:57 | <Nubae> use adduser (unless on Suse)
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| 07:57 | :-)
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| 07:57 | <ogra> heh
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| 07:57 | <cyberorg> http://www.thkukuk.de/pam/pwdutils/
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| 07:57 | <ogra> for ubuntu i wuldnt like that handbook anyway
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| 07:57 | <ogra> there was a reason why the edubuntu handbook it inherits from mostly pointed out the gui tools
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| 07:58 | seeing that dropped doesnt really make me happy
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| 07:58 | <Nubae> its not totally gui, its a mix of gui and command line
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| 07:58 | <ogra> riht
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| 07:58 | <Nubae> Im dropping everything gui just to make it simpler
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| 07:58 | <ogra> but gui should be the preferred way in ubuntu
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| 07:58 | <Nubae> and also for other reasons
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| 07:58 | <ogra> so its not of much use for me
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| 07:58 | <Nubae> there is few gui stuff now
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| 07:58 | <cyberorg> Nubae, just say use your distros user management utilities
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| 07:58 | <Nubae> gui was user managament, tcm, etc
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| 07:58 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:59 | distros user management utilities
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| 07:59 | <cyberorg> if someone is setting up ltsp server they should know what it means
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| 07:59 | <ogra> sounds sane
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| 07:59 | <Nubae> you guys give admins too much credit... they want instructions...
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| 07:59 | <ogra> most want a point and click way nowadays
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| 08:00 | only hardcore lunix admins or maintainers of huge installs want it differently
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| 08:00 | <Nubae> ltsp is not point and click :-)
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| 08:00 | <ogra> well, it should
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| 08:00 | we're just not there yet
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| 08:00 | <Nubae> that'll be the day...
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| 08:00 | <cyberorg> Nubae, hey we made it, or didnt you see the video?
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| 08:01 | * ogra has ltsp-build-client gui tools he simply didnt package yet | |
| 08:01 | <ogra> and i hope at some point someone really finishes ltsp-manager
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> ogra, easy-ltsp is modular, so each distros can add their modules to build images
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| 08:01 | <ogra> additionally there is ltsp-shell which opens a gui shell
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| 08:02 | (was supposed to be integrated in ltsp-manager)
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| 08:02 | as well as a good bunch of other ltsp gui tools that were supposed to be integrated)
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| 08:02 | cyberorg, well, i would have preferrred to not reinvent the wheel
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| 08:03 | there were tons of started projects by people that just could have been integrated
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| 08:03 | but your project, your decision
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| 08:03 | its just sad that so much work has been done twice
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| 08:04 | i fpeople want to use easy-ltsp they indeed can
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| 08:04 | and i hope we have a package in ubuntu for intrepid+1 throuh your effort with MOTU
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| 08:05 | i'll be not the one to pick it up though ... if i put time in i will finish ltsp-manager to not have wasted the work on it (whic i was hoping to happen through your SoC project)
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| 08:05 | <cyberorg> ogra, well we didnt have anything working
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| 08:06 | easy-ltsp works now, and is consciously made distribution independent
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| 08:06 | <ogra> it would have been less than a week of work to write the backend modules
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> every feature that i could imagine from lts configuration manager is now in there
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| 08:06 | <ogra> and i will do that at some point
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| 08:07 | ltsp-manager was simply developed top down with some really revolutionary UI interaction things i dont want to lose
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| 08:07 | sadly you cant show such stuff in screenshots
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| 08:07 | <cyberorg> jan was more keen on working on c# as it was quicker for him to implement our designs, i would not have had any issues if he wanted to complete ltsp-manager
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| 08:08 | <ogra> right
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| 08:08 | <cyberorg> he also had a look at webmin module and other old stuff
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| 08:08 | <ogra> i dont want to put blame on anyone for anything :)
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| 08:08 | *shudder*
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| 08:08 | webmin
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| 08:08 | * ogra is happy thats abandoned from debian and ubunru since years | |
| 08:08 | <ogra> *ubuntu
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| 08:08 | <cyberorg> ogra, you know how much work we demanded from him in such a short time, he delivered everything
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| 08:09 | <ogra> yeha, as i said, i dont complain ...
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| 08:09 | <cyberorg> :)
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| 08:09 | <ogra> my expectations when you said "we'll have a SoC to finish ltsp-manager" were just different
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| 08:09 | its good if the users have something
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| 08:10 | <cyberorg> i hope everyone understands that no one told him to work on mono, as i can't code all devel languages are same to me
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| 08:10 | <ogra> but i wont drop ltsp-manager since i dont see any of the UI advantages it has in easy-ltsp
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| 08:11 | but easy-ltsp does the job
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| 08:11 | <cyberorg> ogra, that was the idea as yours looked a good base to start, after going over our feature request jan thought it better to write from scratch, as all the meeting transcripts would show
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| 08:11 | <ogra> and thats a very good thing :)
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| 08:12 | <cyberorg> yeah let user trip over all the choices as linuxhater would put it :)
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| 08:13 | warren, is going to write one in python too :)
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| 08:13 | <ogra> right
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| 08:13 | and after all ltsp-manager is not done anyway
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| 08:13 | anyway
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| 08:13 | * ogra has to rush out | |
| 08:14 | <cyberorg> ciao :)
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| 08:19 | <cyberorg> Nubae, you should get in touch with k12linux people too, they are working on docs too
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| 08:19 | http://petre.homedns.org/f9-ltsp/
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| 08:24 | <Nubae> thats a bit too k12 specific though...
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| 08:24 | Warren knows I'm working ltsp non distro specific documentation...
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| 08:25 | only distro specific thing is install instructions
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| 08:29 | <zamba> i need a way of remotely turning off a set of computers.. a corresponding WoL if you'd like
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| 08:30 | <laga> a long broom handle?
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| 08:31 | <Blinny> heh
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| 08:31 | <zamba> hehe
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| 08:32 | <cyberorg> zamba, fl_teachertool and italc both can turn off clients
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| 08:32 | <zamba> cyberorg: ok.. thanks.. i'll check it out
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| 08:39 | <_UsUrpAwAy_> I'm having a problem SSH'ing to my server from my client. The client seems to enter a wrong password twice, then close any outgoing SSH connection.
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| 08:40 | <_UsUrpAwAy_> I'm sorry, It's ssh'ing from client to server
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| 08:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> Let me re-type this -- I am having a problem SSH'ing from my client to my server. As I SSH from the client (which has a SCREEN_02 = shell option in lts.conf) using the second terminal on the client, it denies my SSH request outright.
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, what denies the server or the client?
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| 08:50 | <zamba> i need to enable the root account and the ssh server in my ltsp client running in kiosk mode.. how can i do this in the image?
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| 08:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: it appears to be the server, but it only denies clients.
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| 08:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: I am able to SSH in to the server on the same ETH card and IP if I put my laptop on that network portion
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| 08:53 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, check /var/log/messages on the server as well as client when logging in
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| 08:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: sure. It there anything in particular I should be looking for?
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| 08:54 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, ssh requests should show up on the server if client is at least trying
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| 08:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: they are showing up in the auth.log file
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| 08:55 | cyberorg: as two attempted incoming ssh requests to the server from the client's IP address on incrementing port numbers.
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| 08:56 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, does restarting sshd help?
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| 08:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: Negative. Restarting changes nothing.
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| 08:58 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, do you get password prompt on the client again?
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| 08:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: negative. The attempt is denied outright when attempted from the client with the error: Permission denied, please try again. Permission denied (publickey,password).
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, try ssh -vvv serverip
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| 09:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> Ok. Would you like me to type what I am seeing?
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| 09:02 | <cyberorg> no, it might give you some clue :)
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| 09:03 | -v is virbose, -vv is more verbose
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| 09:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: I have checked -vvv already. It appears the client has entered three incorrect passwords, and it has failed to authenticate.
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| 09:04 | cyberorg: the thing that gets me is: I have images that work already. I just created this image yesterday to replicate a customer's setup.
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| 09:04 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, check NumberOfPasswordPrompts in /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the client
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| 09:05 | _UsUrPeR_, you entered password three times?
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| 09:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: there is no line entered for NumberOfPasswordPrompts
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| 09:06 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, on the server there is a setup see /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
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| 09:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: neither on the server or the client
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| 09:07 | <cyberorg> MaxAuthTries
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| 09:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> negative
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| 09:09 | brb. I'm going to try something
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| 09:10 | * _UsUrPeR_ is building another image :P | |
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| 09:20 | <jammcq> good morning homies
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| 09:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: just re-created an image as follows: ltsp-build-client --copy-sourceslist --arch i386 . Tried ssh'ing back to server, no dice.
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> Mooooorning all.
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| 09:39 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, try another user
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| 09:39 | moin sbalneav :)
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| 09:39 | and jammcq :)
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| 09:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning sbalneav
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> jammcq: So, I hear your mayoral woes are at an end.
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| 09:39 | cheers cyberorg _UsUrPeR_
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| 09:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I live near detroit too. It was great to see the law still matters to Kwame.
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| 09:41 | cyberorg: trying ssh -l <someuser> gives the same error
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| 09:41 | * cyberorg out of ideas :( | |
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| 09:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: ok, well thanks for your help :)
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| 09:42 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, change the client IP address manually and try, we may find out of server blocks the ip
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| 09:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: rgr. I'll change it to something lower
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> I wish we had a mayor that was into sex drugs and rock and roll. It would make for interesting news. Here, ours is just into the usual boring stuff: giving tax breaks to his buddy businessmen.
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| 09:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> here's the error in auth.log: http://pastebin.com/m29532ae6
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| 09:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: This guy has been such a pox on the city. The amazing part was that he was re-elected once already. The population is quite ignorant
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| 10:42 | <horochovec> hello, i'm using debian lenny and ltsp 5... on thin client boot on screen, show this message: "SCREEN 01 Contains a screen script startx Please, change to another screen"
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| 10:42 | anyone have a idea to solve this problem?
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| 10:43 | <Nubae> change your lts.conf configuration
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| 10:43 | startx should be on screen 07
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| 10:44 | <horochovec> !paste
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| 10:44 | <ltspbot> horochovec: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 10:45 | <ltsppbot> "horochovec" pasted "lts.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/60
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| 10:45 | <horochovec> Nubae this is my lts.conf..
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| 10:46 | <Nubae> SCREEN_01 change to 07
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| 10:46 | <horochovec> 07 ?
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| 10:46 | hmm
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| 10:47 | one moment, i'm comment this line and restarting the thinclient
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| 10:47 | hmm
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| 10:47 | he show a screen, but not the kde screen
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| 10:47 | show a ltsp.org
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> change SCREEN_01 to SCREEN_07
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| 10:48 | <horochovec> yes
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| 10:48 | i will change now
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> it will never start kdm, it starts ldm...
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| 10:50 | <horochovec> ldm?
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| 10:50 | in 4.2 version the first screen is the kde login ..
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| 10:51 | <Nubae> ah, right was talking about ltsp 5
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| 10:51 | which you should really be using for better support
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| 10:52 | but I suppose the screen thing still applies
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| 11:07 | <horochovec> Nubae
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| 11:07 | thks for help
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| 12:06 | <gbolte> hello
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| 12:14 | <cyberorg> hi gbolte :)
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| 12:15 | <gbolte> hi
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| 12:15 | anything new in the world of ltsp
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| 12:17 | <cyberorg> johnny, is getting close, Nubae is working on distro independent ltsp docs
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| 12:17 | we should have planet.ltsp.org :)
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| 12:18 | <gbolte> haha
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| 12:18 | yeah
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| 12:19 | brb I need caffeine
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| 12:22 | back
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| 12:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: I got it... kind of.
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| 12:33 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, cool
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| 12:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> I don't quite know why, but using the SCREEN_02 = shell terminal never has worked for ssh.
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| 12:34 | I think I may have gotten ubuntu and fedora mixed up or something
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| 12:34 | <cyberorg> go suse :D
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| 12:34 | <gbolte> cyberorg, I dont know about all that we cant use a terminal if we have ldm
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| 12:34 | :/
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| 12:35 | <cyberorg> gbolte, latest updates should probably fix that, but change CONFIGURE_X=true if you do
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| 12:35 | <gbolte> ah
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| 12:35 | ok
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| 13:09 | <johnny> ok, got my devices to show up on boot, now if only they would open :)
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| 13:18 | <gbolte> lol
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| 13:18 | local dev johnny ?
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| 13:20 | <johnny> yes
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| 13:21 | sweet.. autologin works .. that's helpful for testing..
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| 13:27 | <gbolte> cool
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| 13:28 | <johnny> aha.. usb stick works
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| 13:28 | running udevadm trigger makes the local hard drive show up
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| 13:29 | so.. getting closer..
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| 13:30 | <gbolte> awesome
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| 13:31 | johnny, this is gentoo you are talking about?
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| 13:31 | <johnny> yes
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| 13:31 | <gbolte> ah
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| 13:31 | cool
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| 13:32 | heh for a while when we were running ltsp 4.x we ran a gentoo kernel for the clients
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| 13:32 | <johnny> gbolte, my code finally hit upstream
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| 13:32 | <gbolte> what code was that
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| 13:32 | <johnny> the initial gentoo support
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| 13:32 | <gbolte> oh gentoo upstream
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| 13:32 | gotcha
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| 13:32 | <johnny> no, it's ltsp upstream
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| 13:32 | <gbolte> oh
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| 13:32 | ok
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| 13:33 | <johnny> i finally got commit access, did my first commits yesterday
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| 13:33 | <gbolte> woohoo
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| 13:33 | :D
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| 13:33 | heh
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| 13:34 | <johnny> next step.. sound..
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| 13:34 | <gbolte> heh
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| 13:34 | yeah that is a pretty important thing
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| 13:34 | <johnny> pulse starts, but yells about setrlimit and trying to change the priority..
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| 13:35 | <gbolte> is pulse audio default in gentoo yet?
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| 13:35 | <johnny> but.. the thing runs as root..
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| 13:35 | uhmm.. gentoo doesn't really have a default
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| 13:35 | for sound
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| 13:35 | <gbolte> oh yeah
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| 13:35 | <johnny> it's default for ltsp
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| 13:35 | in my chroot
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| 13:35 | <gbolte> hmm maybe thats partly why I quit using it...its mostly a cluster of sorts
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| 13:35 | :/
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| 13:35 | <johnny> well you have to know your system
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| 13:36 | gentoo is great for learning linux.. that is for sure
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| 13:36 | <gbolte> thats true
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| 13:36 | <japerry> johnny: agreed =D
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| 13:36 | <johnny> i can troubleshoot almost any linux box now
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| 13:36 | <gbolte> but on the "just works" scale it is horrid
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| 13:36 | <japerry> I wouldn't know what I know nowif it wasn't for gentoo
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| 13:36 | <johnny> yep
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| 13:37 | i probably wouldn't have stuck with linux at the time i did (2002) if it weren't for gentoo
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| 13:37 | i was running win2k before that
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| 13:37 | <japerry> heh thats about where I was at
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| 13:37 | <johnny> i tried linux a bunch of times, but kept deleting it
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| 13:37 | since i was dual booting
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| 13:38 | <japerry> but in '04 I switched to OSX on the desktop and couldn't be happier ;-) -- but stuck with gentoo until my novell requirements made we switch
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| 13:38 | and still use gentoo for the firewall
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| 13:38 | <gbolte> heh
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| 13:38 | <johnny> i think i ony stuck with linux due to all the effort i put into setting up gentoo
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| 13:38 | :)
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| 13:38 | <gbolte> yeah 1 lonely gentoo box
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| 13:38 | <japerry> and our fileserver, using unionfs2
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| 13:38 | (at home, not office fileserver)
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| 13:38 | <johnny> and now i can tweak out almost anything
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| 13:38 | <gbolte> well actually its not lonely because everyone HAS to talk to it
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| 13:38 | :P
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| 13:39 | <japerry> johnny: yup. I brought the gentoo FS box to PAX last weekend. does pretty well when being pillaged by guys looking for stuff
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| 13:40 | <johnny> i used ubuntu on my last laptop, but switched back to gentoo on this one
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| 13:40 | imma checkout fedora soon
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| 13:40 | <japerry> most windows boxes can only take about 3-5 smb connections before getting bad. this box can take about 10 or so before crawling to a halt
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| 13:40 | we use fedora for our asterisk server
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| 13:41 | <johnny> after i get sound working, then i'll make an xrexecd package
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| 13:42 | so.. what's up with pulse and setrlimit .. :(
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| 13:42 | why should it yell when it's being run as root??
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| 13:42 | that's what i don't understand
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| 13:49 | <gbolte> johnny, ours runs as a user named pulse
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| 13:50 | on the client
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| 13:50 | may want to try that
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| 13:50 | :)
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| 13:50 | <johnny> uhmm.. no.. i'm saying
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| 13:50 | that if i try to run it as root
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| 13:50 | i should not get any errors
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| 13:50 | <gbolte> oh
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| 13:50 | <johnny> i just wanna see it working
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| 13:50 | <gbolte> johnny, if it could run as root I bet it would be on ours too lol
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| 13:51 | <johnny> that makes no sense, root should be allowed to kill the system
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| 13:51 | that's what root means right? :)
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| 13:52 | <gbolte> johnny, how are you trying to run it
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| 13:53 | <johnny> atm, i'm just letting it run as in ltsp-init-common
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| 13:53 | start_sound()
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| 13:54 | that's when i see it spit out setrlimit() junk
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| 13:54 | <johnny> which.. since it is running as root.. should not spit it out
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| 13:56 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 13:57 | brb
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| 13:58 | <johnny> so close..
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| 14:00 | <gbolte> johnny, failed: operation not permitted is that what it says
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| 14:00 | <johnny> hmm.. ok. so it does magic..
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| 14:00 | <gbolte> ???
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| 14:03 | <gbolte> johnny, did you make it work
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| 14:03 | <johnny> no
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| 14:04 | i'm not sure what to try next
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| 14:05 | <gbolte> I say make a pulse user I think the executable expects it
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| 14:05 | <johnny> i have one
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| 14:06 | the ebuild does make it
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| 14:06 | <gbolte> and still no dice?
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| 14:06 | <johnny> obviously :)
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| 14:06 | the user has been there the entire time :)
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| 14:07 | <gbolte> I see
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| 14:12 | <johnny> updating pulseaudio now
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| 15:02 | <gbolte> johnny, did you get it sorted
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| 15:11 | <johnny> gbolte, uhmm.. almost
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| 15:11 | i got pulse .9.11
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| 15:11 | <gbolte> ah
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| 15:11 | I am not sure what we have
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| 15:11 | * gbolte checks | |
| 15:11 | <johnny> and now it wanted me to add /var/lib/pulse to my /etc/conf.d/ltsp-client-setup
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| 15:11 | so it could write into it
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| 15:12 | and now.. pulse still isn't working on the server
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| 15:12 | but the error is gone
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| 15:12 | i clicked alsa
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| 15:12 | in gstreamer-properties
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| 15:12 | <gbolte> pulseaudio 0.9.10
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| 15:12 | <johnny> and then hit test, and then it worked :)
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| 15:12 | but pulseaudio in that list doesn't work :)
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| 15:13 | <gbolte> hmm so you managed to get sound from the ltsp client
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| 17:32 | <johnny> gbolte, only if i pick alsa..
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| 17:32 | autodetect doesn't work
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| 17:32 | but there are no errors
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| 17:32 | i straced it once
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| 17:32 | the pulse audio server running on the client
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| 17:33 | when i hit the test button, i can that it does alot more :)
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| 17:33 | just no sound out of the speakers :)
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| 17:35 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 17:36 | well thats a start
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| 17:36 | :D
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| 17:57 | <catalao> alguem fala potugues
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| 17:57 | portugues
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| 18:08 | <catalao> why terminals break on login?
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| 18:08 | what is the best linux ltsp to install?
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> !bestltspdistro
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| 18:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
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| 18:35 | <catalao> i dont understand why terminals get slow on boot-up
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> catalao: what speed are your terminals?
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| 18:38 | catalao: and what linux distro? what release?
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| 18:39 | <catalao> a pentium 3 450Mhz with 128mb ram and ati with realtek 8139 A or B or C
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| 18:40 | i have 8 machines of that, with the some hardware, and some can connect other can't
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| 18:40 | edubuntu 8.04
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| 20:51 | <Shazzamy> hey
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