IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 December 2012 (all times are UTC)
| 00:15 | <markit> to have gnome fallback, do I have to create fat client with...ubuntu-desktop OR edubuntu-desktop?
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| 00:16 | hi Phantomas, do you have an idea about how Alkisg sets this stuff?
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| 00:24 | <highvoltage> markit: either one will work. you have to set gnome fallback in lts.conf and have the gnome-session-fallback package installed in the chroot
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| 00:24 | (I think the edubuntu-desktop metapackage does actually install it by default)
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| 00:25 | <markit> so I will have "unity" on the server and gnome-fallback in the (fat) clients?
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| 00:25 | (I use kde but have to help a friend of mine and test the installation here in my home to help him remotely... lol)
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| 00:26 | <highvoltage> yep, the fat clients are unaffected with what you run on the server
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| 00:31 | <markit> highvoltage: ehm, I mean, that is confusing for teachers that find in the server a different UI
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| 00:54 | sleep time, see you :)
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| 07:57 | <markit> hi, I've a kde chroot that works fine, then I renamed it, removed images/ and rechreated a chroot of type edubuntu. Now clients stop before ldm login with something like "BusyBox v1.1.3" ... "(inirtamfs)".
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| 07:57 | With some console I see there is a problem in mounting or accessing (I/O) something like /dev/db0
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| 07:57 | any clue about how to troubleshoot?
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| 09:22 | <markit> hi alkisg, I've a problem with a new edubuntu chroot
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| 09:23 | I've a kde chroot that works fine, then I renamed it, removed images/ and rechreated a chroot of type edubuntu. Now clients stop before ldm login with something like "BusyBox v1.1.3" ... "(inirtamfs)".
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| 09:23 | With some console I see there is a problem in mounting or accessing (I/O) something like /dev/db0
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| 09:23 | any clue about how to solve?
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| 09:23 | netstat -nap|grep 10809
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| 09:23 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10809 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1456/nbd-server
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| 09:24 | btw, I use your repositories, the chroot creation went smooth
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| 09:24 | I don't try to mount nfs /home, just plain default sshfs
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> markit: did you install the stock ltsp before updating it with the greek school repositories?
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| 09:31 | markit: egrep -rv '^#|^$' /etc/nbd*
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| 09:33 | <markit> disabling spash, I see a "setting up nbd-client... failure: insufficient information to set up nbd
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| 09:33 | and don't remember if this install started with only your repo, sigh
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> bbl :)
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| 09:34 | <markit> http://pastebin.com/Qy4rMcjR
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| 09:36 | bbl too
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| 09:38 | <Hyperbyte> Bye bye.
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| 09:53 | <gvy> Hyperbye:
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| 10:55 | <markit> if alkisg comes back, tell him that I'm solved thanks to his tip... was just a matter to add greek's repositories to chroot too and dist-upgrade
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| 10:56 | btw, isn't there a way to build chroot using host (server) repos?
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> gvy:
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| 11:53 | <zamba> how does fax work over SIP?
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| 11:53 | or rather.. i'll be using a adapter
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| 11:53 | an adapter*
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| 11:53 | ATA, that is.. i have ISDN in and then SIP internally
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| 12:48 | <markit> zamba: this is ltsp channel, not asterisk ;P
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| 12:48 | neverless, regular fax DON'T work reliable with VoIP
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| 12:48 | sure don't work if you don't use looseless codecs
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| 12:48 | so your only choice is g711
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| 12:49 | <zamba> hehe
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| 12:49 | wrong channel, yeah :)
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| 12:49 | <markit> but since fax is a time based "protocol", is not reliable
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| 12:49 | <zamba> i was one off
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| 12:49 | 14, not 13 :)
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| 12:49 | <markit> don't you have channels listed by name?
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| 12:49 | * markit wonders what irc client is using zamba | |
| 12:50 | <markit> in any case, we know everything about anything, or anything about everything ;P
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| 12:50 | <zamba> i have by name, but i was a bit off here :)
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| 12:50 | brainfart
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| 12:50 | <markit> n.p., just curiosity
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| 12:50 | <zamba> weechat, btw
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| 13:51 | <markit> I've found --copy-sourceslist
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| 14:13 | <zamba> markit: for what?
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| 14:13 | <markit> zamba: is related to my previous question about ltsp, not yours about VoIP ;P
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| 14:14 | <zamba> aha :)
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| 16:18 | <Hyperbyte> markit, it'd be great if you documented some of these findings on the LTSPedia. ;-)
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| 16:19 | <markit> Hyperbyte: would love, but I'm confused among your wiki and ubuntu one... I mean, don't know if some discovers are ubuntu specific (not this, but in general) and wondering which one has "priority"
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| 16:20 | I would tend to give priority to your, but I think that the other is much more used and referred
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| 16:20 | there should be one and only one (your official one, OMHO)
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| 16:24 | <Hyperbyte> markit, I agree.
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| 20:52 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 20:52 | <alkisg> Hi vagrant :)
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| 20:53 | * alkisg is thinking about reimplementing ldm in shell, and gtkgreeter in python... :D | |
| 20:53 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 20:54 | the greeter was originally in python
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> Why was it rewritten in C?
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> speed
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| 20:55 | and it worked
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| 20:55 | i mean, it made a huge difference
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| 20:55 | memory as well, i think.
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> ...wow... I wouldn't expect the difference to be more than 0.1 sec
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| 20:55 | And the greeter memory is freed on login... so...
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> could've just been a poorly written greeter
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| 20:56 | <alkisg> While now we're having problems like e.g. unclean logoffs and we have no LDM C devs around... :-/
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| 20:57 | E.g. in localapps/fat clients, /home/username/.gvfs can only be mounted on the first login, not on subsequent ones
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| 20:58 | Btw, what about the "ldm in shell" part?
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| 20:58 | That would launch faster and need less memory
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| 20:59 | And hopefully be maintainable by more devs...
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> i had originally proposed that, having written sdm...
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| 21:00 | it was rejected on vague security grounds
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| 21:00 | although we eventually moved more and more of LDM into shell.
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| 21:00 | i.e. rc.d and all that
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> Security? shell can also use stdin/stdout to communicate with the greeter...
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| 21:02 | * vagrantc was never able to get confirmation on what the actual security problems were | |
| 21:03 | <alkisg> Hmm... I wonder if I can get on and commit something like that, and _then_ wait for any feedback... as I doubt I can get feedback on ltsp-developers@sf before commiting stuff
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> indeed :(
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> stgraber: having rewritten the plugins etc... would you object to moving ldm to shell?
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| 21:07 | (while the greeter would remain in C... unless everyone agrees that it's a good thing to move that to python as well)
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| 21:09 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, out of curiousity. What's the greeter?
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the graphical part, that asks for the username/password
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| 21:09 | <Hyperbyte> Then what's ldm?
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> while ldm.c and plugin.c etc are the backend
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| 21:10 | <Hyperbyte> Ah. So as user, all you see of LDM is the greeter?
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> yup
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| 21:11 | <Hyperbyte> Thanks for clearing that up. :)
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| 21:11 | <alkisg> :)
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| 21:26 | <vagrantc> alkisg: how important is that recent fix with --cleanup?
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> doh.
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