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Channel log from 28 October 2010 (all times are UTC)
| 00:30 | <muppis> Have anyone tried build client without LDM?
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| 00:31 | Like just having X and some program to run on it locally.
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| 01:32 | <sep> that's the diskless workstation mode, i'd say it's fairly common
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| 01:33 | <muppis> So it should be easy to set up ?
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| 01:33 | <sep> !fatclients
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| 01:33 | <ltspbot`> sep: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 01:34 | <muppis> I think need little adaption here..
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| 01:35 | <sep> what do have it on ?
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| 01:36 | <muppis> I got some time ago local installation from mini.iso with X, pulseaudio and xbmc. Like that to be loaded as thin client is.
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| 01:47 | <sep> i usualy do that as a stright off nfs root + pxe boot.
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| 01:47 | no need for ltsp for 1 device
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| 02:00 | <muppis> Well, I'm setting up two of same kind.
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| 02:07 | <alkisg> Good morning all
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| 02:07 | muppis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GParted
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| 02:07 | (or the kiosk plugin, etc etc)
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| 02:08 | <muppis> Good morning.
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| 02:09 | alkisg, thanks.
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| 02:27 | <johnny> muppis, its so much easier to just use the fat lcient thing, it works almsot out the box
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| 02:30 | <muppis> johnny, I don't know.. I just need xbmc to run.
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| 02:35 | <johnny> ah
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| 05:17 | <Hyperbyte> This is more a PulseAudio question than an LTSP question, but I hope someone can tell me anyways..... :-)
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| 05:18 | I run sflphone (voip softphone) as a local app, but it's using the onboard soundcard instead of the USB headset I plugged in
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| 05:19 | How can I configure the thin client to use the USB headset by default? Is there some command I can run at boot to tell pulseaudio to use the USB headset for playback/recording?
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| 05:21 | <muppis> Do you use onboard anywhere?
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| 05:34 | <Hyperbyte> Nope
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| 05:34 | But I would kinda like it to be plug&play... like... as soon as a USB headset is plugged in, stop using onboard and switch to that
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| 05:34 | <muppis> Then you should be fine if you disable it from BIOS?
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| 05:35 | <Hyperbyte> So disabling it from BIOS isn't really what I'm looking for
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| 05:37 | <muppis> HMm.. I know, but that would be easiest.
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| 05:39 | <Hyperbyte> But not really suitable, because some people use USB headsets, others don't. =)
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| 05:39 | <muppis> That changes the case.
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| 10:57 | <brendan0powers> sbalneav: Ping?
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| 10:57 | sbalneav: are you going to LTSP BTS this year?
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| 11:18 | <robehend1> Kyle__: Hey Kyle, I've got a question on your Virtualbox ltsp setup, if you have a minute
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| 11:31 | Anyone know of a way I can start a local program on boot? Perhaps in a second screen, so my users can just alt+whatever and have it up and going?
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> Make a screen script and put it in SCREEN_08=your_script in lts.conf
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| 11:31 | An example: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GParted
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| 11:31 | <robehend1> alkisg: Ah cool, thanks.
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> !gnome-wm
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| 11:42 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "gnome-wm" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients. To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> !disable_compiz
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| 11:43 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 13:11 | <Trixboxer> Hi guys, I'm facing small problem while logging in a dumb ltsp terminal, daemon.log on server says nbd-server "Disconnect request received." , my image size is 540 mB and hence I think the nbd server is giving error.. how can I resolve this ?
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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| 13:15 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <alkisg> !disable_compiz
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> i tried setting up gconf keys to disable the screen locker, but it spits out a bunch of messages about wanting a boolean value and getting a string
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| 13:16 | i specified: /apps/gnome-screensaver/idle_activation_enabled TRUE
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| 13:17 | is it case-sensitive/specific?
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| 13:18 | <Trixboxer> vagrantc: I have a small LTSP problem, will you help ?
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 13:18 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 13:19 | <Trixboxer> vagrantc: Trixboxer> Hi guys, I'm facing small problem while logging in a dumb ltsp terminal, daemon.log on server says nbd-server "Disconnect request received." , my image size is 540 mB and hence I think the nbd server is giving error.. how can I resolve this ?
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| 13:19 | U joined in after I asked the question :( No one else yet replied but Im waiting :)
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> distro and release?
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| 13:20 | <Trixboxer> 10.04
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> ubuntu?
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| 13:20 | <Trixboxer> yup
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| 13:20 | <abeehc> ltsp.pastebin.com the actual log file
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| 13:20 | are your clients not working?
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| 13:21 | <Trixboxer> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/bf50unrd
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| 13:21 | they are able to boot up but the error comes when I try to log in the ltsp client
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| 13:21 | I read that its due to size of img file
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| 13:21 | <abeehc> I don't think that's your problem i could be mistaken
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| 13:22 | i thought those errors were benign
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| 13:22 | so you can't login?
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| 13:22 | <Trixboxer> nope
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| 13:22 | <abeehc> /var/log/ldm.log might be most interesting
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| 13:22 | <Trixboxer> I created 2 users by chrooting in client environment
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| 13:22 | <abeehc> you don't logon as a user int he chroot environnment
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| 13:23 | as far as i know anyway
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| 13:23 | you login as a user the server knows
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> Trixboxer: what do you mean by "dumb ltsp terminal"?
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| 13:23 | <Trixboxer> no such file.. may be I dint enabled loging
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| 13:23 | vagrantc: LTSP client.. Im a newbie to LTS{
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| 13:23 | LTSP*
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> Trixboxer: graphical login, or text login?
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| 13:24 | <Trixboxer> graphical
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> then you shouldn't create users in the chroot.
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| 13:24 | use users added on the server.
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| 13:24 | and disable the users in the chroot.
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| 13:25 | <Trixboxer> ok trying
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| 13:26 | vagrantc: Still the same log
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| 13:26 | I added a user on server
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| 13:26 | <abeehc> wrong log to start with
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| 13:27 | <Trixboxer> abeehc: ldm.log file not present
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| 13:27 | <abeehc> that's rough
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> ldm.log wouldn't be present on the server
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| 13:28 | it would be on the thin client ...
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| 13:28 | <abeehc> i don't mean on the server, definitely lok on the client
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| 13:28 | <Trixboxer> shall I install ldm ldm-server ?
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> sorry i don't have time to be more involved at the moment...
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| 13:28 | good luck :)
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| 13:28 | <abeehc> how did you install this in the first place, Trixboxer
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| 13:28 | some instructions?
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| 13:29 | it's a miracle your even getting a login screen hah
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| 13:29 | <Trixboxer> haha
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| 13:29 | <abeehc> :) at least many people come in not even able to get that far
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| 13:29 | <Trixboxer> http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 13:30 | <abeehc> a common problem is shs keys maybe just for a quick shot do ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
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| 13:30 | then ltsp-update-image
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| 13:30 | don't use those instructions though
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| 13:31 | <Trixboxer> hmm tried that as well
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| 13:31 | <abeehc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 13:31 | use these
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> Trixboxer: that's for debian ...
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| 13:31 | <abeehc> i think even if you were using deb use the ubunutu wiki hehe
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| 13:31 | <Trixboxer> k checking it
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| 13:31 | <abeehc> are you certain there's no ldm.log on the clients?
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| 13:31 | <Trixboxer> do I need to restart anything after ltsp-update-image
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| 13:32 | yes
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| 13:32 | no such file
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| 13:41 | <abeehc> reboot the clients once you run ltsp-update-image
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| 13:45 | <abeehc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/530044 :(
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| 13:46 | <Hyperbyte> ldm.log only appears when you enable LDM_DEBUG in lts.conf
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> abeehc: the ubuntu wiki uses a lot of ubuntu-specific instructions that would cause problems on debian.
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| 13:46 | abeehc: *please* don't recommend that to people.
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> So make sure LDM_DEBUG=True is specified in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf (if memory serves)
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| 13:48 | <abeehc> deb instructions look ugly
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| 13:48 | <Hyperbyte> You can also put SCREEN_05=shell.. if you then press ctrl+alt+F5 on the thin client you get a root prompt on the actual client (regardless if you have logged in)... it's good for debugging purposes, like reading the ldm.log on the client
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> abeehc: maybe sometimes debian looks ugly, but it works.
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| 13:49 | <Hyperbyte> ^^ that was all for Trixboxer
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| 13:51 | <abeehc> vagrantc: i've used it longer than i've used ubuntu of course
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| 13:52 | for me it's far from ugly; those instuctions aren't awesome though
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| 13:52 | i thinki it might have started working for Trixboxer
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> well, it does happen to be a wiki... i.e. it is editable
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| 13:52 | abeehc: if you see how it could be improved, do so
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| 13:53 | <abeehc> thanks for the pro tip
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| 13:53 | <Trixboxer> brb guys, CRYSIS :(
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> is that a musical ensemble?
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| 13:54 | <Hyperbyte> Crysis? It's a computer game. :-)
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| 14:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> a quick question about SIP network traffic. I am having some echo/jitter problems. Can I bend someone's ear?
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| 14:08 | These echo/jitter problems have only recently cropped up at the installation we are at, and it's confusing me. The SIP network we are running is dedicated. There is only one switch, completely independent from the rest of the internal network
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| 14:08 | this was done so that we would not have to screw around with QOS
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| 14:09 | also, there is a concern pertaining to the security of the internal network as well
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| 14:10 | We are running a nice 8-core Xeon 1U ProLiant system. It has a single 4-port gigabit NIC on the rear, and that is connected to a Dell 48-port POE switch
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| 14:10 | all gigabit
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| 14:10 | during heavy call volumes, we have been hearing reports of jitter and echo
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| 14:10 | all spurious, none can be nailed down to a certain network drop
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| 14:10 | <abeehc> i think you are in the wrong channel
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| 14:10 | wireshark is useful for that, though
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| 14:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> lol oh'
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| 14:11 | sup guys :)
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| 14:11 | * _UsUrPeR_ goes over to #freepbx | |
| 14:11 | <Kyle__> heh.
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| 14:11 | <abeehc> good luck
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> [11:20] [vagrantc] is it case-sensitive/specific? ==> I think so
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| 14:15 | Try full lowercase, true
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> alkisg: thanks!
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| 14:17 | alkisg: you read the logs or something? :)
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 14:18 | ;)
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think that did it, after i ran update-gconf-somethingorother
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| 14:30 | i get so spoiled by LTSP's sloppy booleans :)
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if you're using a package, it should be called automatically
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| 14:30 | (with debian/package.gconf-defaults)
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, but before uploading a new package, i wanted to have some verification that it actually worked :)
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> Ah, I just use debuild locally for that :D
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| 14:33 | True / true / TRUE, all valid in *some* programming languages... easy to get confused...
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> i test the installs on other machines
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| 14:33 | so i have a separate build environment from my test environment
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| 14:33 | <stgraber> yeah, it's case sensitive ... I had to fix edubuntu's gconf defaults once because every software using gconf would complain (on stderr) about "true" not having the right casing ;)
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 14:35 | so it didn't used to be case sensitive or something?
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| 14:36 | <stgraber> or I just never noticed the error :) the software would still work fine, it was just complaining
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| 14:37 | <Kyle__> I get offended by case-insensitivity.
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| 14:37 | constants are UPPERCASE, variables are lowercase.... I like that.
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| 14:38 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know if in LTSP-Cluster can you use 32bit app servers?
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| 14:38 | * vagrantc gets teared up over case insensitivity | |
| 14:39 | <Kyle__> Ghidorah: Um, you can use 32bit app servers in standard LTSP and in LTSP fat clients.. so I don't see why not...
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| 14:39 | <Ghidorah> blah my question made no sense... Can you use 32bit app servers when the root server is 64 bit?
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| 14:39 | * Kyle__ has enver used LTSP cluster however. | |
| 14:39 | <Kyle__> Ghidorah: You can do that as well with LTSP-fat clients, so again :) I don't see why not.
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| 14:39 | <Ghidorah> Thank you Kyle
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> stgraber: it definitely didn't actually work for me ... i tried disabling screen locking and then came upon a locked screen ... here's to walking away from projects and getting distracted by other things :)
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> Probably when a key cannot be read, the default value is returned
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| 15:06 | <brendan0powers> stgraber: Hey, you around?
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| 15:10 | <stgraber> brendan0powers: not really, attending a UDS session in Orlando :) going to fly to Bangor on Saturday
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| 15:21 | <brendan0powers> stgraber: ah
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| 15:21 | stgraber: I won't be there this year, but I have a presentation I would like to give via skype
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| 15:21 | and I'm trying to get a hold of someone to schedule that
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| 15:22 | stgraber: do you remember the discussion abot authentication last year?
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| 16:12 | <Kyle__> OK, I just figured out (the mind-boggling-simple) problem I was having with VirtualBox, and it only took four hours.
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| 16:12 | I feel dumb. :)
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| 16:20 | <Trixboxer> closing down folks.. see you tomorrow, I hope to get it running by the time :)
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| 17:00 | * highvoltage waves from the ocean | |
| 17:04 | <bengoa> highvoltage, beer ...
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| 17:06 | <highvoltage> bengoa: it's right there in the fridge :)
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| 18:17 | <TheProf> Good day. I hope everyone is well. Just installed Ubuntu 10.10 after our Fedora server decided to give up the ghost suddenly. Was wrestling with it yesterday and I'm wondering if what I'm seeing is normal function: An HP laserJet parallel printer connected to a thin client only works if I include SCREEN_02 = shell. Otherwise it won't print. Normal?
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| 18:35 | <TheProf> Hmm...Probably too wordy of a question. Let me re-phrase: I can't print unless I include screen_02=shell in lts.conf. Normal? :)
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> TheProf: simply including it makes it work?
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| 18:38 | <TheProf> vagrantc: Yes. It was like a toggle. Add it, printing works. Comment it out, printing fails.
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> that's weird.
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| 18:38 | i don't see how that could happen, but i've seen stranger
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| 18:39 | <TheProf> It's not really a bad thing - I just include screen_07=ldm to get the graphical login so the computer can still be used and it works fine.
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| 18:39 | I just was worried that it was a symptom of something worse?
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| 19:03 | <TheProf> Another question please: what is the correct procedure for modifying the desktop (in this case moving the window close button back to the right side) for all LTSP users in Gnome?
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| 19:48 | <dtrask> Anyone on from BTS?
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| 21:36 | <cliebow> highvolltage..might kep in mind the space shuttle tomorrow night at 6:06 4 minutes from ssw to east.
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