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00:31 | <mathesis> se vagrantc
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00:31 | what is the line add in dhcp.conf
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00:32 | include /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
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00:34 | <vagrantc> mathesis: include /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ;
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00:34 | <vagrantc> or ... gah. i don't remember.
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00:35 | <vagrantc> mathesis: maybe include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf" ;
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00:36 | <mathesis> i am testting in debian
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00:37 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: I think the one with the quotes around it are correct (not sure about the actual file name though ;))
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00:39 | <vagrantc> mathesis: i haven't tried it with dhcp3-server in a while, i've mostly been using dnsmasq
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00:39 | mathesis: so i am not sure.
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00:41 | <nick125_lappy> (least the quotes around the filename are correct according to the man pages for dhcpd.conf)
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00:41 | <vagrantc> ah, good.
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00:41 | nick125_lappy: you wouldn't happen to be the same person posting to the nmosug list, would you?
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00:42 | <mathesis> vagrantc, como es la configuracion de la segunda tarjeta de red
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00:42 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: I actually am...
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00:42 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: i'm not really getting what you're saying in the "pxe vs ltsp" thread ...
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00:43 | mathesis: en dhcpd.conf ?
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00:43 | mathesis: o ?
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00:43 | <mathesis> interfaces
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00:44 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: From my (apparently wrong) understanding of the typical usages of PXE and LTSP, PXE is used more as a "fat" client (where the client does the processing, and the server simply provides files), while LTSP is more as a "thin" client (where the server does really everything, and, the client is just a frontend)..
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00:44 | <mathesis> iface eth0 inet static
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00:44 | address 192.168.0.1
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00:44 | netmask 255.255.255.0
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00:44 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: most LTSP installations use PXE to boot... sooooo...
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00:44 | <mathesis> its correct vagrantc ?
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00:44 | <vagrantc> mathesis: si, mas o menos
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00:45 | <mathesis> wait i back
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00:45 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: Yeah, I realised that *after* I sent that reply...
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00:46 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: heh. ok.
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00:47 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: I couldn't think of another word to describe diskless clients
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00:47 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: it's tricky. "network computer" "diskless workstation" ... but all of these have, at some point, been used to describe thin-clients, too.
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00:47 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: Yup
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00:48 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: "diskless fat client" is probably the best i've heard so far.
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00:48 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: For the project that was being described on nmosug-l, I think diskless thin clients would be best though...and, I think for most of those types of setups would work well as thin
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00:48 | <vagrantc> of course, there's always the really sharp person who makes some snickering joke about dickless clients
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00:49 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: Has anyone tried clustering together LTSP hosts (as in the LTSP servers)?
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00:50 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: yeah, if you want to focus on re-use ... though people are starting to even treat 1GHz machines as slow ... which would make for slick "diskless fat clients"
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00:50 | nick125_lappy: there's some folks who've done openmosix + ltsp ... i tend to avoid invasive kernel patches whenever i can.
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00:50 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: I was thinking of getting 2-3 1.0-2.0ghz machines, clustering those together (though openmosix or something) and using those to server 20-50 thin clients
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00:52 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: might work decently. though you might do just as well to have each machine run a complete installation, and somehow load-balance ...
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00:52 | nick125_lappy: that way, if one of them fails, you don't loose processes on other machines ...
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00:53 | i'm a big fan of the Keep It Simple Stupid philosophy.
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00:54 | if you really wanted to do something like openmosix, i would think you'd want to make use of all those idle cycles on the thin-clients ...
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00:54 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: I was thinking of that as well, use the thin clients as a cluster
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00:56 | <vagrantc> but it's been a while since i've really maintained more than a single thin-client for LTSP development. trying to get the core ltsp stuff in debian solid before embarking on fancy stuff like clustering :)
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00:57 | my thin-client is actually more powerful than my "server" (except for ram)
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00:58 | <nick125_lappy> I've really wanted to play with thin-clients, but, I've never had the time (nor enough machines to do anything too useful)...
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00:59 | <vagrantc> i find even in environments of 2-3 computers thin-clients can be useful. in portland, oregon there's a cafe with 3 public terminals and a server. they can abuse the terminals to no end, and they're relatively easy to replace.
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01:00 | <nick125_lappy> I really like the scalability aspect of thin-clients. Need another computer? It would probably take 20 minutes to setup a new machine, once you have the hardware
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01:00 | <vagrantc> yup.
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01:00 | or less
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01:02 | <nick125_lappy> It would be incredibly inexpensive as well (if you use used computers, it would probably cost...$45-$60 for an "okay" client, but, you don't need much)
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01:02 | <vagrantc> or, even less, if you just take people's junk and process it, like freegeek :)
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01:03 | <nick125_lappy> too bad there isn't a freegeek here in NM :/
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01:03 | <vagrantc> yeah, i've tried to stir up some interest...
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01:03 | but i'm not the real go-getter sort of person.
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01:04 | it's one thing to write some free software, it's another to run a nonprofit.
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01:04 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: I would think we could possibly get enough interest to actually start one here..
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01:04 | I'm pretty sure theres enough old hardware here
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01:04 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: the key is finding a small group of people with just enough spare time to make it happen :)
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01:04 | yeah, hardware is almost never the shortage
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01:05 | <nick125_lappy> And, there's a need for something (most people just throw their old computers in the trash)..
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01:05 | I have too much spare time :p
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01:05 | <vagrantc> or in the acequia
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01:05 | nick125_lappy: time to make your wishes come true, then :)
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01:06 | <nick125_lappy> Meh, I don't have enough power myself to do much..
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01:06 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: ah, you've realized the most important part is networking :)
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01:07 | <nick125_lappy> *nod*
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01:08 | If we started a freegeek in albuquerque, I think one thing that would be interesting would to get 20-30 machines, set them up in a room, and, sort of open a public computer lab (where people can come to browse the web, do their homework, and most importantly, learn about open source)
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01:08 | <vagrantc> yes! and that way we could keep it on-topic by installing LTSP :)
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01:09 | <nick125_lappy> All the machines would run LTSP
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01:09 | * vagrantc notes there is a freegeek channel on freenode | |
01:10 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: Want to talk in PM then? :)
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01:10 | <vagrantc> nick125_lappy: no, just come on over to freegeek :)
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01:10 | nick125_lappy: i mean, the irc channel
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01:10 | <nick125_lappy> vagrantc: of course
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01:18 | <Elive_user99> vagrantc, you can shared dhcpd.conf
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01:18 | <vagrantc> Elive_user99: hmmm?
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09:08 | <ybanafa> Hi All .. I'm using sarge64bit, Can I install ltsp-4.2 or 5 ?
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09:08 | <cliebow> certainly 4.2..
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09:09 | <sepski> yes, but unless your client is also 64 bit, you must make a 32 bit chroot
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09:09 | <cliebow> you'd i think have to build the client on a 32 bit machine
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09:09 | <ybanafa> do I have to install lib32 ?
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09:09 | <cliebow> unless you have 64 bit vclients 8~)
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09:09 | is there an echo??
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09:10 | <ybanafa> all of them sarge64bit
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09:11 | we will use it for technical-training .. is there any issue or note about sarge64bit ?
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09:11 | <sepski> you have 64 bit cpu's as thin clients ? what brand/model ? :)
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09:11 | <ybanafa> intel P-D 920
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09:12 | <sepski> so why use them as thin clients instead of diskless workstations ?
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09:13 | <ybanafa> sorry the Server intel P-D 920 , client Celeron-D I do not have No but em64t
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09:13 | <sepski> so why use them as thin clients instead of diskless workstations ?
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09:14 | <ybanafa> all the client loaded with XP for daily use/training
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09:15 | sarge64bit faster then sarge32bit 20-40%
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09:17 | <sepski> ybanafa, your not aswering my question
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09:18 | <ybanafa> sepski : all the client loaded with XP for daily use/training ..
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09:19 | we XP & Linux at the same time .. do u have any other solution
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09:19 | <sepski> so why use them as thin clients instead of diskless workstations ?
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09:20 | ltsp thin client runs the applications on the server, only displaying the image on the clients. so the client only need 100mhz and 16 MB ram
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09:21 | <sepski> such a fast computer can be booted with ltsp5 or similar diskless workstation where only the root fs of the machines are on the server, the cpu is used as normal
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09:22 | with ltsp5 the same server can act as both a server for thin clients and as a server for diskless clients. depending on what interface on the server the client is connected to
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09:29 | <ybanafa> we have one training class with 10Celeron+512MB Ram we train & teach Windows products Now we will start Teaching Linux and our budget & the place too tight we have one new PD-920 with 1Gig-ram & 120g harddisk
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09:30 | can we use LTSP ?
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09:31 | <sepski> ofcourse
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09:31 | <ybanafa> what u recomand ?
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09:31 | <sepski> but i would do it as diskless workstations and not as thinclients
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09:32 | <ybanafa> u mean I have to creat floppies to boot to the server ?
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09:33 | <sepski> no you must install a linux on the server.
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09:33 | and the clients boot from network when they are going to be used in a linux enviorment
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09:34 | <sepski> if you want to get started easy, i'd recoment debian-edu or edubuntu, cd's to install on the server.
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09:35 | then you can do something like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LtspDisklessWorkstation to enable diskless workstations,
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09:35 | i think the procedure is very similar for edubuntu
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09:38 | <ybanafa> sepski : thasks .. I'l read the doc. & give it try
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09:46 | <cliebow> why not just use etherboot floppy when you want to switch?
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09:47 | <sepski> cliebow, becouse f12 during boot is easier ? :)
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09:48 | <ybanafa> whats f12 ?
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09:49 | <sepski> to the right of F11 on my keyboard. and many bios's use that button for enabeling pxe boot
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09:49 | (instead of booting on the harddrive)
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09:50 | ybanafa, personaly i'd make the clients pxe boot allways. and have a pxelinux meny where you can select localharddrive (windows) or booting from network (linux)
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09:50 | afk
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09:55 | <ybanafa> Thanks .. I have to run & I'll be back after give all option try next week
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10:28 | <cliebow> sepski: Cool..i was just wondering about a dual boot setup for pxe
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10:33 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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10:33 | <jammcq> SCOTTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10:34 | <sbalneav> hey hey
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10:41 | It said it was confirmed, but I re-confirmed it.
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10:41 | <cliebow> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10:41 | <sbalneav> hello cliebow
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10:42 | <jammcq> how many talks did you submit ?
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10:43 | sbalneav: pablo says you are all set now
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10:43 | <sbalneav> cool
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10:43 | just the one.
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10:44 | I can do more if they need filler :)
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10:44 | <jammcq> no, I think they have way more proposals than slots
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10:44 | he was just wondering if you had submitted more than one, but only confirmed one
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10:45 | <mistik1> morning guys
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10:46 | <sailli> is any one running suse enterprise server with ltsp and guest windows on thin clients
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10:47 | <mistik1> the last time I did that was with win98 and it was not really with ltsp at the time
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10:47 | <jammcq> mistik1: howdie to you
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10:48 | <mistik1> jammcq: cool morning in GA ;)
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10:48 | <jammcq> "cool" what is cool? it's 18F here
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10:48 | <sailli> hi
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10:48 | <mistik1> gladly no such thing as snow
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10:49 | 39.5F is cold here
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10:49 | <jammcq> heh, don't even ask sbalneav what the temp is up in winnipeg
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10:49 | <mistik1> I am more merciful than that ;)
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10:52 | <sailli> jammcq: did u tryed virtualziation with thin clients with ltsp on *any* os
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10:54 | <jammcq> sailli: nope, I've not tried virtualization.
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10:54 | <mistik1> I used win4lin to provide windows back in 2.95 days
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10:55 | maybe you could try with qemu or something
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10:56 | that would not give you access to things like the local devices on the thin-client though
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10:56 | <sailli> jammcq: i was using ltsp for 2-3 friends about 1 or may be more back with version 3 where i can see more dtls on version 4 's feature
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10:56 | mistik1: thanks
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10:56 | <mistik1> You would probably need some more scripting to pass the ltspfs mounted drives to the running qemu session via the monitor interface
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10:58 | <sailli> ok
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10:58 | thanks
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10:58 | <mistik1> np
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10:59 | <ogra> sbalneav, hey hey, i'm nearly dont with an ldm greeter 100%imlemented in cairo
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10:59 | <mistik1> that's something I may look into at a later date once this ltsp5 stuff is on a roll
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10:59 | <sbalneav> What's cairo?
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10:59 | <ogra> a vector drawing engine ...
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10:59 | <sbalneav> cool
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10:59 | <ogra> way smaller than gnomecanvas
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10:59 | and faster i hope, havent tried it on a client yet
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11:00 | <mistik1> ogra: what other deps would that pull in for ldm?
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11:00 | just cairo?
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11:00 | <ogra> but fill svg support for the themeing ... no more heavy bitmaps that need to go over the net
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11:00 | mistik1, it would pull in librsvg but drop gnomecanvas ...
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11:01 | <mistik1> ok
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11:01 | <ogra> smalle mem footprint, faster rendering
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11:01 | *amaller
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11:01 | gah
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11:01 | <mistik1> I get it
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11:01 | <ogra> *s m a l l e r
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11:01 | but i dont :)
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11:01 | <mistik1> Its a fancy speeling morning
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11:01 | <ogra> evening for me :)
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11:02 | <jammcq> pscheie: ping
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11:02 | ogra: !!!!!!!!!
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11:02 | <ogra> i' pondering a right click menu that offers a server selection ... so you can input a different server
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11:03 | <mistik1> jammcq: one question I never asked is, why did you decide that going back to the method ltsp escaped from was a good idea
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11:03 | I remember back in the old days we were heading away from the whole distro for the client method that was popular at the time
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11:04 | <ogra> mistik1, it lowers source maintenance costs ...
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11:04 | <mistik1> Dont get me wrong, I agree ;)
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11:04 | <ogra> you leave the maintenance of the system to the distros and can concentrate on actual ltsp development
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11:05 | <jammcq> mistik1: we came to the conclusion that we just couldn't keep things updated properly, and distros wouldn't ship our bits
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11:20 | <ace> hi all
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11:20 | !seen ogra
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11:20 | <ltspbot> ace: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 15 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <ogra> you leave the maintenance of the system to the distros and can concentrate on actual ltsp development
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13:00 | <lar1> I have LTSP up and running. Thanks. I'm wondering what is the best way to connect a client that boots from its own hard disk and is sometimes a regular (low power) workstation? The client would already be running Xfce on ubuntu on x86.
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13:01 | I have tried
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13:01 | sudo X -query xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa :1
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13:01 | which works, but is there a way to avoid using sudo?
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13:04 | <ogra> lar1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot ?
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13:05 | <lar1> Thanks. That's a step in the right direction. I'm thinking more that the users would boot and get Xfce, then if they want, connect to LTSP.
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13:17 | <lar1> thx bye
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15:06 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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15:08 | jammcq u there?
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17:31 | <jamie> Can any one help me. I am trying to install an older kernel on ltsp as the latest one on edgy does not seem to support the sound balster module on the sff very well. How do I do this please
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18:08 | <cliebow> !seen cliebow
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18:08 | <ltspbot> cliebow: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 7 hours, 27 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <cliebow> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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19:58 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I meant to yell at you yesterday. But I forgot. So here it is!
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19:58 | Happy Birthday to you. Happy Birthday to you.
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20:00 | Happy Birthday dear Ogra, Happy Birthday to you.
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20:01 | Now you
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20:01 | Now you're one more closer to being an old fart!
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20:01 | ogra: ^^
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20:54 | <mistik1> dberkholz: You around
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20:55 | jammcq: ogra, working on porting the ltsp init scripts
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20:55 | <jammcq> hey, cool
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20:56 | <mistik1> we dont have the debian x config tool so I'm rewriting that configure_x() func for gentoo
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20:57 | So far I think i'm gonna use mkxf86config+hwsetup for the X detection and do string replacements for the defined stuff from lts.conf
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20:58 | These debian guys have done some very neat work here and I am going to keep as much of it that makes sense for this distro
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20:59 | <jammcq> I think the goal is that as much of that stuff should go back into upstream LTSP
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20:59 | as possible
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21:00 | currently, there really isn't an "upstream LTSP"
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21:00 | but we'll be fixing that soon
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21:00 | <mistik1> No problem
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21:00 | I'll do what I can and we can work on merging later
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21:01 | <jammcq> I think that's a good approach
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21:02 | <mistik1> I hope dberkholz gets some free time soon, he seems very handy with portage tools
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21:02 | <jammcq> yeah, he's a sharp guy
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21:02 | <mistik1> yea
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21:09 | <necronz> wer
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21:09 | ;-=+` '+=-;
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21:10 | <jammcq> hmm, interesting
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23:00 | <nick125_lappy> hey vagrantc
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23:05 | <vagrantc> hi
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23:09 | <mistik1> wheee
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23:09 | <mistik1> Yea baby, X autoconfig will work great
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