IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 February 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:13 | <warren> knipwim: no. we will not name it based on lsb_release -is
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| 01:14 | knipwim: that is an arbitrary string that has different values on our variants of the OS
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| 04:22 | <wwww> hi
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 04:23 | <wwww> if can i have a try to look at this product
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| 04:23 | a demo site
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| 04:23 | <alkisg> Demo site for netbooting?
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| 04:24 | You can download the edubuntu DVD, it includes LTSP so you can test it without installation
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| 04:24 | And I think the OpenSUSE DVD also supports directly netbooting with it
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| 04:28 | warren, Enslaver: so how many dirs should be there upstream in ltsp-build-client/plugins and in init-ltsp.d/ etc etc for redhat based distros, and how to determine them?
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| 04:29 | <wwww> ltsp thin client only support *nux OS?
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| 04:29 | <alkisg> wwww: it's about netbooting linux, yeah. After it boots, you can e.g. run a windows VM or connect to a windows terminal server or whatever else you can do with a linux client
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| 04:31 | <warren> alkisg: Enslaver is combining them into one directory, just lsb_release is not how it is named
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> warren: so we'd have to special-case it in the code? Make a distro-overridable function for it?
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| 04:32 | <Enslaver> How does ubuntu do it? Dont they have Edbuntu / Zedbuntu and all that?
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> I think they're all Ubuntu's
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| 04:33 | <Enslaver> all of them return Ubuntu on lsb_release -is?
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> If something is so different that it deserves a different DISTRIB_ID, then it should at least get a symlink for the plugins, if not a separate directory...
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| 04:33 | <warren> alkisg: did something change recently? if it relies on lsb_release -is now, it will have totally different results on different RH-based distros here and we have to override it
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> Let me check some of them
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| 04:34 | <warren> Enslaver: I think my old RPM didn't care about it because it only packaged the plugins we actually use.
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> warren: we stopped having distro-specific "ifs" in the common code, and are using distro overridable functions whenever that is needed
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| 04:34 | So, how will the new dir be named? RedHat? el6?
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| 04:34 | <Enslaver> warren: I think you checked for rpm.macro file and got the el6 from there, then did a case statment
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| 04:34 | <warren> alkisg: that's fine, choosing which plugins should be at build time, not runtime
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> And will that change with e.g. el7?
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| 04:35 | <warren> alkisg: the dir should be named just Fedora, to cover all current and future Fedora and EL
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| 04:35 | alkisg: the output of lsb_release -is is meaningless here
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> warren: ltsp-build-client requires run time, the others are already determined build-time
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| 04:35 | OK, so a function, np
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| 04:36 | The generic code will have lsb_release -is, and fedora can override it with plain "echo Fedora"
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| 04:36 | <Enslaver> thats what I'm doing currently for check_vendor
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| 04:37 | <warren> Enslaver: whatever they do upstream, just have the .spec package the plugins it actually uses, which may differ between Fedora 11, 18 and EL
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> Enslaver: for the packaging, are you using the new "copy distro specific dirs over common dirs" method?
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| 04:37 | <Enslaver> yes
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 04:37 | <Enslaver> copies common first then distro specific
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| 04:38 | <wwww> hp thin client has its own OS, after boot up ,user can access remote desktop from server?
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| 04:38 | <alkisg> We do that in 3 rounds for ubuntu... common => debian => ubuntu
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| 04:38 | wwww: I think that also was linux-based. Yeah the same can be done with ltsp too, there is rdesktop and xfreerdp in linux.
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| 04:39 | warren: the idea is for ltsp-build-client --dist=xxx to work on different distros, if at all possible
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| 04:40 | I know vagrantc is using it to build ubuntu chroots on debian servers, dunno if that would work on e.g. building fedora chroots on rhel servers etc...
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| 04:41 | Of course if there's no chance of it working on some distro, there's no need to include the ltsp-build-client plugin dirs for other distros
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| 04:41 | That was arranged that way before I joined ltsp...
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| 04:42 | <warren> Fedora can build EL6 chroots. EL6 probably can't build Fedora chroots because the database format changed
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| 04:42 | it's generally backwards but not forward compatible
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| 04:43 | Enslaver: there's ugly hacks to bootstrap a chroot with an incompatible rpmdb, but it really isn't worth supporting
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| 04:43 | <wwww> win7 installed in hp client is same with win7 authority?
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| 04:43 | <Enslaver> i was able to build a fc18 chroot using el6
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> wwww: no idea what that is
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| 04:44 | <wwww> i care if all exe application can be installed on hp client
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| 04:44 | <Enslaver> using mock
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| 04:45 | doubt yum would do it
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> wwww: we don't support win7 here. LTSP is ***Linux*** Terminal Server Project.
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| 04:47 | <wwww> hp client can use win7 as OS
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| 04:47 | <alkisg> wwww: nice, please ask HP and Microsoft for support.
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| 04:47 | This IRC channel is for using Linux as OS.
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| 04:51 | <warren> Enslaver: oh right, the rpmdb change happened between EL5 and EL6
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| 04:55 | * alkisg found the redhat family tree that he was looking for... :D http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Redhat_family_tree_11-06.png | |
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| 05:10 | <wwww> it seems ltsp is similar with QVD
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| 05:12 | <warren> alkisg: most of those distros are dead or niche-purpose
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| 05:12 | <alkisg> warren: basically I never looked into rh / rhel / el* / centos / fedora / etc etc naming and history
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| 05:12 | So I wanted to organize those in my mind a bit
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| 05:14 | wwww: QVD says that it's about Linux VDI, while LTSP is about netbooting Linux. After Linux netboots, you can use whatever Linux can use, rdesktop to connect to windows, virtualbox for VMs, whatever
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| 05:14 | They are different technologies
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| 05:14 | <wwww> i see
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> In short, LTSP == booting linux from local network without using a hard disk
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| 05:15 | After it boots, you can do whatever you like with it
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| 05:15 | So the "client" might only see a windows interface
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| 05:16 | <wwww> after load kernel, it will mount a nfs diretory as root /?
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| 05:16 | <alkisg> NFS or NBD
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| 08:30 | <kyriazis> ΚαλημÎρα. ΠÏŽς καθαρίζω τη λίστα με τις εντολÎς που Îχω δÏŽσει στους επÏŒπτες;
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| 08:33 | <knipwim> omg, it's the greeks :)
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| 08:33 | <kyriazis> Should I write in english?
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| 08:34 | <muppis> On this channel yes. If you prefer greece, you shoudl go to #ts.sch.gr
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| 08:34 | *should
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| 08:34 | <kyriazis> How do I clear the history of commands I have executed in the epoptes application?
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> kyriazis: hello
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| 08:36 | kyriazis: type /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 08:36 | This one is the english channel, that's the greek one
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| 08:38 | !learn greek as Στο παρÏŒν κανάλι μιλάνε μÏŒνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά απÏŒ την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνÎχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 08:38 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 08:45 | <ogra_> looks greek to me ...
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| 08:56 | <orestis12> alkisg:hi
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> !greek
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| 08:56 | <ltsp> greek: Στο παρÏŒν κανάλι μιλάνε μÏŒνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά απÏŒ την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνÎχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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| 10:26 | <ltspuser_28> Hi
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| 10:27 | <ltspuser_28> I want to have a thin client that opens only a web page...
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| 10:27 | it's possible?
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| 10:31 | <Gremble> yep
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| 10:32 | <Gremble> and there's many ways to do that ltspuser_28
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| 10:34 | <ltspuser_28> how?
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| 10:35 | <Gremble> have a look at the kiosk modes avaialable in various desktop enviroments
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| 10:35 | and wait for more responses here too, there where plans for something kiosky in LTSP itself IIRC
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| 10:36 | essentially you'd have auto-login to a locked down account
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> There's a kiosk screen script in ltsp which you can enable, yeah
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| 10:37 | SCREEN_07=kiosk etc etc
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| 10:42 | <ltspuser_28> I have tried kiosk but the terminal didn't boot...
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| 10:43 | I don't know if I'm it's a bad configuration or if the chroot need something
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> !release
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| 10:48 | <ltsp> release: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 10:48 | <ltspuser_28> ubuntu 12.04
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| 10:48 | the chroot is from ubuntu 12.04
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> Probably misconfiguration then
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| 10:49 | It's recent enough, I think the kiosk fixes would be included there
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| 11:19 | <ltspuser_25> hi
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| 11:41 | <ltspuser_19> is there any procedure to put kiosk working in a ubuntu 12.04 chroot?
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| 12:01 | <ltspuser_19> I want to know what I need to install
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| 12:01 | on the chroot
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> ltspuser_19: ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 12:17 | --kiosk a simple webkiosk mode
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| 12:18 | So you need the --kiosk parameter when building the chroot
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| 12:18 | And then, SCREEN_07=kiosk in lts.conf
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| 12:31 | <ltspuser_19> ok
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| 12:31 | thank you alkisg
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| 14:05 | <meamy> arg for pressh scripts the user credentials are stored in $USER an $PASS correct?
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| 14:50 | <igorek_RU> hi guys!
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| 14:51 | maybe anybody can help me...LTSP5 (NFS), Debian Wheezy. i need to connect usb printer to thin stations. My lts.conf before update works perfectly. Now, however, if you include the option PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usb/lp0 thin client will not boot. if left ostavlnye option enabled, the download is correct. If I loaded with disabled option PRINTER_0_DEVITSE, and then do "jetpipe /dev/usb/lp0 9100", the printer will work.
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> igorek_RU:
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| 14:52 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/996533
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> alkisg: you fixed that bug back in August. if he's on wheezy, shouldn't he have to fixed version?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> I think wheezy has been frozen before that, but lets see...
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| 14:55 | $ grep jetpipe /opt/ltsp/wheezy/usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/50-jetpipe
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| 14:55 | /usr/sbin/jetpipe ${JETPIPE_ARGS} ${PRINTER_DEVICE} ${PORT}
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| 14:55 | No & there
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| 14:56 | <igorek_RU> I downloaded the latest build wheezy, apparently this bug is not fixed in it! Thanks a lot! I will correct in itself!
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> Btw let's also add a note in the hackathon to replace jetpipe with nc or socat, plus a small shell script
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| 14:57 | I think we can completely remove C from ltsp... :P :D
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| 14:58 | <jammcq> hmm, doesn't jetpipe also take care of serial printers?
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| 14:58 | and I don't understand the desire to get rid of C
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> There's no point in duplicating code
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| 14:59 | <igorek_RU> I do not have lpt printers, in order to check this
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> jetpipe is just an nc reimplementation
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| 14:59 | ldm => lightdm, cdpinger => not needed,
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| 14:59 | ltspfs => we need that
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| 14:59 | The smaller LTSP is, the less bugs it has and the more easy it is to maintain
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| 15:18 | <meamy> Is it possible to get the user credentials to use them for example mount a network drive. I guess the way to go is a script in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d but i dont know in witch variable the credentials are stored in
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| 15:18 | ?
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> I don't think they are
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| 15:22 | <meamy> alkisg: so no way to grep the credentials while the startup (unfortunately i cant use ldap in this case because the setup dont support it)
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| 15:36 | <igorek_RU> if I add "&" at the end of the line "/usr/sbin/jetpipe ${JETPIPE_ARGS} ${PRINTER_DEVICE} ${PORT}", the thin client boots fine and the printer works. But jetpipe then stops working (after a single print job) that is port 9100 is no longer available
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| 16:03 | <knipwim> Enslaver: i encounter this when booting with nfs from dracut
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| 16:03 | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.initramfs/2553
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| 16:03 | did you solve this error?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> meamy: not unless you patch ldm (ssh.c, I think) to cache/reuse the credentials
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| 16:04 | igorek_RU: and if you start it after the client boots, it works without problems?
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| 16:06 | igorek_RU: if so, try `ps aux` on the client to see the jetpipe command line, and then completely remove the jetpipe call from init-ltsp.d, and then use this:
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| 16:06 | RCFILE_1="jetpipe params"
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| 16:06 | in lts.conf
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| 16:06 | So that we see if the problem is that jetpipe starts too early, or if it's buggy
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| 16:06 | <igorek_RU> ok, i try this
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| 16:06 | thanks
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| 16:10 | very strange if I run jetpipe hands, it works, even after I sent to print multiple jobs. I'll try it always works. Thank you again
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| 16:11 | *hands -> manually (sorry for my english )) )
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| 16:12 | <knipwim> alkisg: changed the date call in the upcoming meeting and added the GSoC topic
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| 16:12 | thx
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| 16:12 | <Enslaver> knipwin: haven't seen that yet
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> knipwim: cool - can we also make a page for the hackathon?
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| 16:12 | To program some things for then?
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| 16:12 | E.g. drop jetpipe, cdpinger...
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| 16:13 | <Enslaver> i turn off host only and include nfs in the conf
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| 16:14 | There is one issue i have with it, I'm not sure if its directly related or not but my mouse acts up in X, i see HAL handling the mouse and I'm trying to figure out how to turn HAL off
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| 16:17 | <knipwim> Enslaver: this is an example of the command i use: dracut --force -m "kernel-modules nbd nfs network base" --filesystems "squashfs" /boot/initramfs-dracut-x86_64-3.3.8-gentoo.img 3.3.8-gentoo
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| 16:18 | alkisg: will do, i already have a page for ltsp-lightdm
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> Nice, thanks
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| 16:18 | <knipwim> i'll make the dev page a bit more visible also
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| 16:19 | <Enslaver> knipwim: -m specifies dracut modules, do you specify kernel ones as well?
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| 16:19 | <knipwim> nope, they are include with the kernel-modules
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> jammcq: ah I forgot, also jetpipe is in python while nc is in C (and we're already using it anyway) so it'll need much less memory
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| 16:20 | <knipwim> hostonly was optional, so i didn't need to include it
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| 16:21 | hmm
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| 16:21 | maybe it's included through the dracut.conf
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| 16:22 | <Enslaver> knipwim: http://pastebin.com/RDCxwShx
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| 16:22 | <knipwim> bbiab
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| 16:29 | Enslaver: what are those for?
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| 16:31 | <Enslaver> Thats the patch to dracut for the error you linked
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| 16:31 | looks like a cheap workaround tho
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| 16:31 | <knipwim> not the systemd i prosume, i don't use it
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| 16:32 | <Enslaver> no
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| 16:34 | it looks like it can be applied to anything
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| 16:35 | <Enslaver> You ever play with buildroot?
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| 16:35 | <knipwim> nope
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| 16:37 | <Enslaver> http://buildroot.uclibc.org/
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| 16:40 | <knipwim> for building chroots it looks interesting
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| 16:40 | especially the cross build options
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| 16:42 | <Enslaver> supports roots overlay's now too
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| 16:42 | <ltspuser_37> Hi
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> Hi
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| 16:44 | <ltspuser_37> I'm using kiosk and I'm configuring lts.conf like this : [Default] SERVER = "192.168.20.1" DNS_SERVER = "192.168.20.2" SEARCH_DOMAIN = "domain.com" SCREEN_07 = "kiosk" KIOSK_OPTIONS="http://test.domain.com/test.php"
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| 16:44 | but firefox didn't open the page...
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| 16:44 | and appears one message that firefox is free....
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| 16:45 | I need to disable that message on firefox settings too but I don't find where I can change that
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| 16:50 | <knipwim> alkisg: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Hackathon_2013.03
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> knipwim: cool, ty
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| 16:51 | <Enslaver> Well thats good dates at least :) I am away on vacation march 5-10
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| 16:52 | and my bday is 17th
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| 16:52 | <knipwim> nice, then you'll be all rested when we start it :)
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| 16:52 | <Enslaver> if I'm done by then :)
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| 16:54 | knipwim: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~enslaver-l/ltsp/ltsp-redhat/revision/2462
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| 16:56 | <knipwim> that won't fix my nfs issue :(
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| 16:57 | <Enslaver> heh
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| 16:57 | it fixed mine
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| 16:58 | <knipwim> when using the overlay
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| 16:58 | <Enslaver> yah
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| 16:58 | <Enslaver> are you using my 00-overlay?
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| 16:59 | <knipwim> not yet
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| 16:59 | i'm just about to build a test chroot
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| 16:59 | <Enslaver> give it a try, i think i made it pretty compatible with initramfs-tools and even to be run from init-ltsp.d
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| 17:00 | <knipwim> i'm also confident in the dracut overlay module you made
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| 17:00 | <Enslaver> well that is the dracut overlay module
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| 17:00 | all my overlay module does is call that 00-overlay into the initramfs
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| 17:01 | <knipwim> hehe
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| 17:01 | if it works, we should make it more generic, so it can be included upstream
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| 17:02 | <Enslaver> its as generic as i could get, i have support for it being run as a dracut module, through initramfs-tools, and even if you don't use an initrd
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| 17:26 | <ltspuser_52> Hi
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| 17:27 | I need to have a scenario like this
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| 17:27 | <ltspuser_52> I have a card, or an usb pen that has the user information
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| 17:27 | and I need to have a screen asking for this info
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| 17:27 | when I put the pen or the card I run a script and I get the rdp server
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| 17:28 | and I start the session on a display
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| 17:28 | <ltspuser_52> which is the best way to have this scenario?
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| 17:30 | it's possible?
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| 18:07 | <sbalneav> ltspuser_52: Are you asking for smartcard authentication, or the like?
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| 18:11 | <ltspuser_52> yes
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| 18:11 | it's possible
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| 18:11 | ?
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| 18:12 | <sbalneav> Not currently, no.
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| 18:12 | We're going to be having a hackathon in March, to work in getting LTSP to use a regular display manager and PAM
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| 18:13 | Once LTSP uses a pam stack, then at that point, you may be able to use one of the pam smartcard modules.
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| 18:13 | <vmlintu> where is the hackathon?
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| 18:13 | <sbalneav> http://www.gooze.eu/howto/gnu-linux-smartcard-logon-using-pam-pkcs11
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| 18:14 | <jammcq> vmlintu: in irc
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| 18:14 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: here :)
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| 18:14 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 18:14 | <vmlintu> oh, ok :)
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| 18:14 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 18:14 | or afternoon
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| 18:14 | after 12 I suppose.
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| 18:14 | <vmlintu> lightdm does work nicely with ltsp, but it does require a bit more memory than ldm
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| 18:15 | <sbalneav> Theoretically, any DM would work.
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| 18:15 | So something like slim may be good.
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| 18:16 | <awilliams> Hello ltsp'rs
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| 18:16 | <jammcq> hey awilliams
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| 18:17 | <awilliams> How you guys doing
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| 18:17 | <jammcq> dong well, how's things down in Jamaica?
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| 18:17 | <awilliams> jammcq: I may have a use for ltsp comming up shortly
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| 18:17 | jammcq: Its raining something fierce
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| 18:18 | <vmlintu> In some cases lightdm is quite slow to start compared to ldm. Maybe I have to test how slim would work instead..
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| 18:20 | <jammcq> my fear at this point is ltsp is getting bloated
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| 18:21 | <awilliams> jammcq: I have someone here who will be answering the phone for support calls and such, I need to eliminate the fans and other computer noise in the room
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| 18:21 | I can't think of a better way to handle it
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| 18:21 | <jammcq> sounds like a great fit
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| 18:21 | <vmlintu> jammcq: compared to 4.2 it's quite heavy
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| 18:22 | but then again fat clients weren't really an option then
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| 18:24 | <awilliams> sbalneav: How you been man, in case you don't know its me mistik1 :)
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| 18:25 | <sbalneav> awilliams: Hey there! How are you?
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> it's not so much LTSP is getting heavy, as the free software world has gotten heavy...
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| 18:28 | LTSP is only as lightweight as the components it's built from
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| 18:29 | <sbalneav> +1
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> so, we either need to pick lighter components, or get patches into the components we're using to lighten them up a bit...
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| 18:31 | <awilliams> vagrantc: indeed
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| 18:31 | <awilliams> sbalneav: Doing pretty well, can't complain at all
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| 18:32 | <jammcq> in ltsp-4.2, we streamlined that boot process down to the smallest possible set of scripts. Now... streamlined is not what i'd use to describe it
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| 18:32 | but... i don't wanna sound like i'm complaining, cuz it really works pretty well
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| 18:32 | but it really takes a powerful workstation to run with any kind of performance now
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> powerful workstation?
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| 18:33 | <jammcq> works great with a 1.6ghz cpu with 4gb of ram
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| 18:33 | but I found a 1.2ghz box with 512mb really slow
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> most of the thin clients we're using at freegeek are under 1GHz with 128-512MB of ram...
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| 18:34 | i've even seen people using multimedia on these, much to my surprise
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| 18:35 | for fatclients, sure, it needs a bit more resources than a disked machine ... but there was no such thing as fatclients for ltsp 4.x, no?
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| 18:36 | <jammcq> true
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| 18:36 | so like you said, it's not necessarily LTSP that's getting bloated, it's Linux in general
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> firefox in particular... eesh.
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| 18:42 | <awilliams> FF18 is a total dog
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| 18:43 | * jammcq prefers chrome | |
| 18:43 | * awilliams too | |
| 18:45 | * vagrantc isn't too fond of self-surveilance | |
| 18:46 | <awilliams> heh, which is why I wish FF did not do the chrome chase
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| 18:47 | * vagrantc is still running iceweasel 10 | |
| 18:47 | <vagrantc> but yeah, the absurd release every 6 weeks thing is insane.
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| 18:48 | 6 weeks of feature development and QA... no problem.
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| 18:50 | <jammcq> vagrantc: earlier today, someone had a problem with a local printer. alkisg pointed him to the bug that was fixed back in august. I understand wheezy was in a freeze. when do you suppose that fix would make it into wheezy?
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i'd have to see an actual bug report to have a clue
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| 18:51 | jammcq: in wheezy's LTSP, or in some other printing system?
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| 18:52 | <jammcq> 09:52 < alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/996533
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| 18:52 | it's an ltsp bug as far as I can tell
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| 18:52 | thin client can't boot if it has set PRINTER_0_DEVICE in lts.conf
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| 18:54 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i had planned to get a fix in for that... but it may have fallen off the radar
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| 18:55 | jammcq: ahh, that's a bit too invasive to fix, i think...
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| 18:55 | <jammcq> so what's the solution?
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| 18:55 | people with wheezy just live with not being able to print to local printers?
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> i daresay, that may be the case.
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| 18:55 | <jammcq> unless they hack the script themselves?
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> but first step would be to actually report the bug to debian
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| 18:56 | otherwise i can't realistsically get a freeze exceptionn
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| 18:58 | <jammcq> is the freeze just leading up to final release? or is it frozen for ever?
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> major bugs can get fixed, as long as they're not too invasive
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| 18:59 | i'd classify this as "important" although maybe it could be "serious" since it actually results in a broken boot.
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| 19:00 | jammcq: just for clarity, you've actually confirmed that this bug exists in debian wheezy?
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| 19:00 | <jammcq> the guy in here earlier today said he was using it
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| 19:00 | i haven't plugged a printer in. I don't have any.
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> it's not broken in the default configuration, or in most cases, so probably only important
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| 19:01 | jammcq: from the bug report, it sounds like setting the value at all can trigger the bug
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| 19:01 | printer or not
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| 19:01 | <jammcq> but again, is it frozen because it's about to be released ? or does this restriction last forever?
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yes, it's about to be released, so changes get more review.
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| 19:01 | and invasive changes aren't allowed
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| 19:02 | once it's released, similar issues apply
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| 19:02 | <jammcq> what happens after release? does it get easier to fix then?
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> and again, someone (ideally not the maintainer) should report a bug, if there's any chance to get it fixed at all.
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| 19:03 | <jammcq> ok, where do I do that?
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> jammcq: after release, it's probably a little harder to get fixes in, yes.
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| 19:04 | <jammcq> oh, so it's hard now, but really hard later :)
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> jammcq: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
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| 19:04 | it'll also be really slow later
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| 19:04 | i.e. it could be months and months before it gets in
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| 19:06 | looks like alkisg committed a fix that, if it actually worked, would probably be acceptible: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2382
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| 19:07 | but the stgraber rewrote jetpipe to not use python-daemon
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| 19:07 | <jammcq> is there not a web-based interface to the bug reporting system?
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2395
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| 19:08 | jammcq: not for reporting bugs... for viewing them.
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| 19:08 | <jammcq> oye
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> jammcq: for making changes, it's all email based.
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| 19:09 | <jammcq> I don't have an smtp server so I can't submit it
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| 19:10 | at least not with reportbug
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> you can save the file and cut-and-paste into an email
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| 19:11 | jammcq: basically reportbug tries to gather useful information ... although you could craft it by hand, too.
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| 19:14 | <jammcq> vagrantc: what would the severity be for this?
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| 19:14 | 'important' ?
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yeah
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| 19:15 | jammcq: it's pretty severe in it's consequences, but doesn't affect the default or most installs ... only ones that use that feature.
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| 19:15 | <jammcq> does it apply to an upstream part of the package?
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> how do you mean?
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| 19:16 | <jammcq> it's asking me if the following apply to this report:
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| 19:16 | and it lists 7 different choices
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> ah, yeah, it's an upstream issue
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| 19:16 | <jammcq> 6 upstream
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| 19:16 | 5 patch
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| 19:16 | am I supplying the patch or do I just list the upstream bug info?
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> you could claim there's a patch ... pointing to the two bzr commits that could potentially be used to fix the issue.
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| 19:18 | <jammcq> k
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| 19:18 | * vagrantc will try to confirm the bug... | |
| 19:23 | <vagrantc> yup, the bug is definitely there...
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| 19:23 | * vagrantc thinks init-ltsp.d is a bad place to start a daemon from... | |
| 19:25 | * vagrantc wonders if you ran it after the full boot process was done if it would work better. | |
| 19:26 | <jammcq> for USB printers, what if we just run it from udev ?
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| 19:26 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 19:27 | <vagrantc> well, the simple one-line "jetpipe ... &" at least allows it to boot. no idea if it actually works ...
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| 19:27 | i also don't have a printer handy to test...
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| 19:29 | maybe for wheezy it'd be ok to move it back into /etc/init.d/ltsp-client*
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> ok, my hunch was right ...
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| 19:34 | running it from /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core works fine.
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| 19:35 | <jammcq> so it's just running at the wrong time?
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 19:35 | <jammcq> well... seems like a simple fix
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> python-daemon probably requires something to be initialized.
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| 19:35 | <jammcq> I filed the bug
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> jammcq: thanks!
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| 19:35 | <jammcq> no prob, thanks for helping me through it
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| 19:35 | next up...
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| 19:36 | I still don't understand that setuid problem I found.
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> me neither.
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| 19:36 | <jammcq> on your workstation, are you running X or Xorg ?
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> looks like X ...
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> and on mine, it's Xorg
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| 19:37 | i'm guessing yours is pretty current
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> i don't think that behavior has changed for years.
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| 19:38 | <jammcq> I dont' understand why mine is runnign Xorg
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| 19:38 | I just built it from the latest packages on saturday
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| 19:38 | <Hyperbyte> Hi everyone. :) Good evening!
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| 19:38 | <jammcq> hey Hyperbyte
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| 19:39 | <Hyperbyte> How are things? :)
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> jammcq: and nothing in lts.conf other than SCREEN_07=kiosk ?
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| 19:39 | <jammcq> right
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| 19:39 | well... KIOSK_WM = /usr/bin/icewm-session
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| 19:40 | and KIOSK_EXE = /usr/bin/xterm
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| 19:40 | but no X config stuff
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| 19:40 | * vagrantc tries with the same... | |
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> jammcq: still works for me...
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| 19:45 | jammcq: so ... what exactly is calling Xorg directly, i wonder ... can you set SCREEN_02=shell and run "pstree -a" just to see what called it?
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| 19:45 | <jammcq> and you are running X and it has setuid?
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| 19:45 | sure, gimme a couple minutes
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> jammcq: ah, with "pstree -a" i see Xorg
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| 19:46 | jammcq: but with "pgrep -l -f X" i see X
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| 19:47 | that's ... odd.
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| 19:47 | jammcq: X has setuid and Xorg doesn't.
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| 19:47 | jammcq: or, X has setuid and setgid, Xorg doesn't have either.
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| 19:48 | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 14264 Jun 25 2012 /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/bin/X
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| 19:48 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2044664 Nov 29 11:34 /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/bin/Xorg
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| 19:48 | <jammcq> right
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| 19:48 | that's what I saw
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| 19:48 | and for some reason, mine is running Xorg and yours is running X
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> from what i remember, "X" is essentially a thin wrapper around Xorg z...
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| 19:49 | jammcq: well, it's not clear to me now ... pstree shows "Xorg", pgrep shows "X"
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| 19:49 | to make matters worse ... /etc/X11/X is a symlink to Xorg.
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| 19:50 | <jammcq> pstree shows that Xorg is running from xinit
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| 19:50 | oh?
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> same here.
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| 19:51 | <jammcq> does your xinit line say: .... -config /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
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| 19:51 | or is it -config var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
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| 19:51 | without the leading slash
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> nope.
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| 19:51 | neither.
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| 19:51 | <jammcq> ?
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| 19:51 | <jammcq> no -config ?
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> no -config
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| 19:51 | probably a difference in video card...
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| 19:52 | <jammcq> hmmm, why would mine have a -config and yours not?
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> intel video?
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| 19:52 | <jammcq> ummm
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> jammcq: what's in your ltsp-xorg.conf ?
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| 19:52 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> there are some settings that autodetect settings, some of which require an xorg.conf
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| 19:53 | <jammcq> Section "Screen"
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| 19:53 | IDENTIFIER "Screen0"
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| 19:53 | SubSection "Display"
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| 19:53 | EndSubSection
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| 19:53 | EndSection
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| 19:53 | that's it
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> jammcq: probably something in /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/share/ltsp/screen-sessions.d/ is triggering a "needed" xorg.conf setting...
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| 19:55 | jammcq: i'd suspect a combination of XS20-intel-virtual and XS85-virtual
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| 19:56 | jammcq: try setting X_VIRTUAL_AUTO=false
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| 19:57 | <jammcq> booting
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| 19:57 | <vagrantc> jammcq: but it sounds like there's a bug with kiosk mode and "X -config ..."
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| 19:58 | probably also affects rdesktop, maybe others
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| 19:59 | <jammcq> yeah, when I booted, there wasn't a -config anymore
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| 19:59 | so now I removed setuid on Xorg
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| 19:59 | and i'm booting again
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| 20:03 | yes, without the -config, Xorg doesn't need setuid
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| 20:03 | but... I could see there would be times when you need the -config, and then Xorg would be broken without setuid
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| 20:04 | <vagrantc> so, this might be worth commenting on http://bugs.debian.org/587900
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| 20:04 | jammcq: right.
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| 20:06 | <jammcq> I don't see how to comment on that bug
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> email 587900@bugs.debian.org
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| 20:06 | <jammcq> seriously?
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> you could even download the mbox and reply to it... :)
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| 20:07 | <jammcq> why not just use gopher to download the isos?
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> jammcq: because email is useable, and gopher is not?
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| 20:08 | <jammcq> ummm, yeah
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| 20:09 | <vagrantc> it may not be your preference, but it's the way it is :P
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| 20:10 | i definitely struggle with the dozens of poorly implemented web interfaces that can't even do simple things without javascript.
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| 20:11 | or require you to actually sign up with an account
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| 20:12 | <Enslaver> my raspi ltsp image is almost done compiling ;)
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> takes me about 5 minutes to build mine :)
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| 20:13 | <Enslaver> how so?
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client --arch armhf ...
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| 20:14 | using qemu-user emulation on a reasonably fast x86 machine
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| 20:14 | although i don't have all the firmware and such... that takes a little longer manually.
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| 20:14 | <jammcq> vagrantc: I don't think I understand enough about this -config problem to comment on it. it's still confusing me
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| 20:14 | <Enslaver> that just grabbing pre-compiled binaries?
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| 20:15 | <jammcq> I couldn't boot, because Xorg didn't have setuid
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: yes, from raspbian
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| 20:15 | <Enslaver> Ah
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| 20:15 | <jammcq> then, when I gave it setuid, I still couldn't because the -config pathname started with a '/'
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: just like any other LTSP build
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| 20:15 | <Enslaver> I'm compiling the entire kernel from source along with all binaries, takes me a little while, lol
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| 20:15 | I shoulda mock'd it
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: yes, i'm glad to have others handle that part :)
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| 20:16 | <Enslaver> vagrantc: btw whats the debian equivalent of a spec file?
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| 20:16 | <ogra_> arent you on fedora ? there should be binaries for it
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| 20:16 | <vagrantc> jammcq: it sounds like a separate bug to me.
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| 20:16 | Enslaver: the debian directory
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| 20:16 | Enslaver: it's not a single file, but a whole mess of files.
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| 20:16 | <Enslaver> there probably is binaries, but noting as custom as i want
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| 20:16 | <ogra_> and a big book of policies
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| 20:16 | <Enslaver> and I'm on el6, not fedora
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> ogra_: it's not so much as a book as a short story
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| 20:17 | <ogra_> an adventure game :)
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> exactly
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| 20:17 | <Enslaver> sounds like where's waldo
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| 20:17 | * vagrantc open door south | |
| 20:17 | * vagrantc is eaten by a groo | |
| 20:17 | <ogra_> a grue is in your way
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> groo, policy violation. same diff.
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| 20:18 | <ogra_> haha
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> vagrantc, jammcq: I think the jetpipe/init-ltsp.d/& issue also involves that, when started from init-ltsp.d with &, it only works once!!!
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| 20:19 | * Enslaver is sorry to say, you have been eaten by a Grue. | |
| 20:19 | <alkisg> So maybe it should internally be translated into RCFILE_0 and run from rc.local
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| 20:19 | * alkisg doesn't use jetpipe at all though so he never tested that | |
| 20:20 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yeah, so that sounds like another upstream bug ... i.e. kiosk (and probably rdesktop) don't work when a -config file is specified.
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| 20:20 | alkisg: i.e. it prints only one thing?
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| 20:20 | <ogra_> alkisg, you could bind it to a udev rule instead of starting it from init
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> That's what the last wheezy user here said
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i moved it back into /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core and it seemed to actually run...
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> ogra_: I think some dev that has actually used it at least once should take over that bug...
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> meanwhile, it'd be good to have it not totally broken on wheezy ... :|
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> I just committed a small fix that people here reported that it worked, without testing, just to let them at least boot
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> i could probably dig up a USB printer to test with
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| 20:22 | but not sure about other kinds of printers
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| 20:22 | <jammcq> vagrantc: is it because normally, X runs as root, but in kiosk mode it runs as a normal user?
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| 20:22 | <ogra_> yes, the backgrounding should work, what dio you mean by only runs once ? it dies after printing ?
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yeah, i think that's basically what's triggering your problem.
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> jammcq: why not run X as root then and the browser as local user afterwards?
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> running daemons from init-ltsp.d seems like a bad idea.
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| 20:22 | <jammcq> alkisg: i'm just using the kioskSession script and that's what it's doing
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: having to mangle the XAUTHORITY stuff then...
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| 20:23 | <jammcq> when we switch to lightdm, doesn't that run X as the user?
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> jammcq: probably a hack to work around it would be to use the relative path stuff that you found as a workaround.
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| 20:23 | <jammcq> so we'd still have a problem
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> jammcq: no, as root
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| 20:23 | root 1359 2.5 0.6 56856 26564 tty7 Rs+ 12:22 15:15 /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch -background none
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> jammcq: and it handles all the XAUTHORITY stuff, so we don't have to do it manually :)
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> I don't think we should be the ones reporting bugs about Xorg not running OK as user
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| 20:24 | Let other DMs do that first, and we follow afterwards :D
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> meanwhile, solving bugs today...
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| 20:25 | <jammcq> so really, like alkisg said, xinit/X should run as root, and the window manager should run as the user
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> xinit typically handles that ...
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| 20:25 | <jammcq> so it means moving where the 'su - $kioskuser' happens
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> the other option would be to symlink /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp-xorg.conf
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> ogra_: when specifying init=/bin/bash, I think I get a prompt about backgrounding not supported etc, so maybe that's why & doesn't work well there. I think it's the only case where we launch a daemon though, so moving it somewhere else sounds like a good idea...
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> and then not specify -config at all
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| 20:26 | alkisg: yes! we shouldn't launch daemons from init-ltsp.d!
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| 20:26 | <ogra_> alkisg, oh, you boot with init=/bin/bash ?
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> ogra_: similar, init=/bin/init-ltsp
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| 20:26 | *sbin
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| 20:26 | <ogra_> yeah, that indeed has no job control
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| 20:27 | <knipwim> Enslaver: looking at 00-overlay now, is there a special reason you check for /etc/ltsp_chroot ?
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> it should only configure daemons and stuff and use the standard mechanism for starting daemons.
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| 20:27 | <ogra_> right, that bit should be donr by init
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| 20:27 | *done
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> checking for /etc/ltsp_chroot is the old way to make sure it's an LTSP environment ...
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| 20:27 | but we stopped using that recently.
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| 20:27 | <Enslaver> whats the new way?
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> in order to support ltsp-pnp style environments.
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| 20:28 | checking /proc/cmdline for init=/sbin/init-ltsp
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| 20:28 | or variations on that
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| 20:28 | <alkisg> The idea is that an ltsp chroot can also be booted "locally"
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| 20:28 | Either on a template client, a VM, or an "ltsp-pnp" ltsp server
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| 20:29 | <Enslaver> yeah i like that concept, that's where the ltsp-cleanup comes in I'm guessing
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| 20:29 | to remove user accounts and such?
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> Yeah, although that can be useful on chroots too
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> it is one of the best innovations LTSP has seen in a while :)
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| 20:29 | <Enslaver> later down the road we can prob set that up as 2 different 'sandbox' filesystems
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| 20:30 | checks based on boot hardware or /proc/cmdline
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> i wouldn't make assumptions about hardware, at least not as upstream.
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| 20:30 | assumptions based on hardware, rather
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> An LTSP server can also be booted as an LTSP client with no hardware differences...
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| 20:31 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 20:32 | <Enslaver> yah i've been playing a bit with revisor, kinda similar concept, builds a chroot for different environments that can be both live-filesystem and live-cd
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> the greatest thing about the ltsp-pnp mode is setting up fatclients by installing what you want on the server, and then building your fatclient image out of it.
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| 20:34 | * vagrantc wonders of NBD will chain off of another NBD server ... | |
| 20:34 | <Enslaver> hmm, maybe i need to look into that before i go too deep in the fat client route
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| 20:34 | Where can i grab the rpms?
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> it's all in upstream LTSP ...
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| 20:35 | it's essentially a different way to build a fatclient, all the stuff you need for fatclient support is the same.
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| 20:36 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 20:36 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 20:36 | <Enslaver> what does it use to build it?
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
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| 20:38 | it's basically a chroot-less way to build an NBD image
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| 20:39 | <Enslaver> so it builds a squashfs of /
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> essentially
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| 20:45 | <Enslaver> one question about the cmdline=/sbin/init-ltsp check, what if you're chroot'd to the chroot? How are the scripts able to determine?
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: that would only be an issue if you're booted as a thin client, chrooting to a chroot, and not wanting it to behave as a thin client ...
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| 20:46 | <Enslaver> or if i type chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 from the server
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> then it shouldn't behave as a thin client...
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| 20:47 | because it's a chroot
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| 20:47 | <Enslaver> same file structure
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> but it's not a thin client
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| 20:48 | that's where you'd do maintenance of the thin client, not running the thin client itself.
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| 20:49 | <Enslaver> yeah I'm not saying use that check for running thin client apps, i use it more as a safety precaution
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> The cmdline needs to be checked from the initramfs
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| 20:49 | In the bootem system, /sbin/init-ltsp can save some var that it has been called
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| 20:49 | No need to check cmdline there
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| 20:51 | So if e.g. we save that to /run, and a chroot doesn't bind-mount /run, it won't be considered a "booted client"
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: also, we've worked to make installing ltsp-client* packages outside of the thin client environment non-destructive ... so they only enable thin-client behaviors when booted as a thin client
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| 20:51 | <knipwim> Enslaver: the 00-overlays says "not done" at elif [ "$INSIDE_LTSP_INIT" ]
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| 20:51 | is it really not done, or did you forget to remove the return and comment?
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> (and ltsp-build-client plugins too, we tried to move some stuff from there to init-ltsp.d)
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| 20:52 | <Enslaver> I commented above that, it needs to be filled in by someone who understands initramfs a little better before those 2 will be active
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| 20:53 | <knipwim> but that one is inside the ltsp init
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| 20:53 | <Enslaver> i prefer to escape out of an untested function, rather than have it bomb
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| 20:53 | the ltsp-init one I'm testing now
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| 20:53 | <knipwim> kk
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> jammcq: do you have access to local printers to test that bug?
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| 20:54 | jammcq: or know someone who does?
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| 20:54 | <Enslaver> if you can paste bin me the lsinitrd from an initramfs made from initramfs-tools that would be helpful
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| 20:54 | <jammcq> ummm
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i think i could put together something that might work, if you've got a way to test
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| 20:54 | <Enslaver> (i.e. i'm checking for dracut-lib.sh for INSIDE_DRACUT)
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| 20:54 | <knipwim> Enslaver: also, you can use "die" instead of defining a panic()
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| 20:54 | <jammcq> the only printer I have here is a network printer
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> Enslaver: $ lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-23-generic | pastebinit
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| 20:54 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1678562/
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| 20:55 | <jammcq> I could do it in vmware
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| 20:55 | <Enslaver> knip: which rev you looking at?
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| 20:55 | <jammcq> hmmm
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i can't figure out how to emulate a printer in libvirt ...
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| 20:55 | <knipwim> Enslaver: 2463
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| 20:55 | <jammcq> vmware lets me assign a device to a file
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> ah, i could do that too, i guess. no idea what valid printing output would be, though.
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| 20:56 | * alkisg is happy to see more devs in ltsp again :) | |
| 20:56 | <knipwim> Enslaver: i was also wondering about the modprobe
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| 20:56 | and if a /proc/config.gz could also be done for an in-kernel module
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's almost like having meetings has spurned activity or something :)
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| 20:57 | <Enslaver> knip: what about the modprobe?
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| 20:57 | <vagrantc> knipwim: at least on debian systems, modprobe will return true if it's a built-in.
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| 20:57 | which is a little confusing
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| 20:59 | <knipwim> vagrantc: nice
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| 21:00 | <Enslaver> knip: just pushed 2465, the panic was giving me problems, i'd rather just try and mount tmp before i panic
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| 21:19 | <knipwim> Enslaver: it seems to be working
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| 21:20 | <Enslaver> in dracut?
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| 21:21 | <knipwim> no network though, but that's probably another problem
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| 21:21 | no, in the init-ltsp.d
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| 21:21 | <Enslaver> ah nice, i can't seem to get mine working
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| 21:22 | although its a completely new way I'm building a chroot, could be unrelated to the script
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| 21:23 | <knipwim> apparantly proc is already mounted on gentoo, so that could use a check
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| 21:24 | <Enslaver> k
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| 21:25 | <knipwim> also, i removed the if [ -n "$OVERLAYFS" ], since you already set a default earlier
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| 21:27 | <Enslaver> you removed the -n or the whole line?
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| 21:27 | OVERLAY: bool, OVERLAYFS: string
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| 21:29 | i'll prob redesign that into a case statement eventually
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| 21:30 | wow, my pi is still comPiling
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i would guess it would take days...
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| 21:31 | <Enslaver> I was hoping for a little sooner :( This server has 40g ram and quad xeon
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: considering the kernel alone took several hours on faster arm hardware
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| 21:31 | ah, cross-compiling
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| 21:31 | <Enslaver> yah
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| 21:32 | omg compiling a kernel on the actual arm pi, yeah i could see that taking a minute or two
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| 21:32 | <knipwim> Enslaver: the whole line, because fo OVERLAYFS=${OVERLAYFS:-unionfs}
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| 21:32 | so -n "$OVERLAYFS" is always true
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| 21:34 | <Enslaver> wanna hear how smart I am? mine wasn't working because i left the return in there...
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> figuring out one's own mistakes is a sign of intelligence :)
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| 21:35 | <knipwim> yeah, i saw that on my first try :)
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> fail better, fail faster :)
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| 21:35 | er, fail faster, fail better
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| 21:35 | <Enslaver> fool myself once, shame on me
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| 21:39 | <Enslaver> for initramfs-tools, where is the rootfs mounted inside it?
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> typically /root, if i remember correctly.
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| 21:42 | it's definited in a variable ${rootmnt}
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| 21:43 | <Enslaver> [ -d /scripts/local-top ] && [ -n "${rootmnt}" ] && INSIDE_INITRAMFS=1
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| 21:43 | something like that safe to assume?
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> looks like i've got a virtualized printer to test the bug with ... if i can just remember how to use a printer...
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| 21:44 | <Enslaver> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/lp0
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: reasonably...
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| 21:44 | <Enslaver> banner boobs?
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: well, i'm testing our network printing daemon, jetpipe...
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| 21:45 | <Enslaver> jetpipe = jetdirect redirects?
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| 21:45 | <vagrantc> basically, yeah
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| 21:45 | Enslaver: and, the whole "boobs" thing is a bit wearisome :P
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| 21:46 | <Enslaver> I didn't mean boobs, i meant 80085
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| 21:48 | <Enslaver> i have some lpadmin scripts you might like
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| 21:48 | <vagrantc> i think i've got it working with netcat :)
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| 21:48 | <Enslaver> gj
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| 21:48 | If i remember correctly you can telnet to 9100 and issue PRINT or something
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> seems like jetpipe isn't much more than netcat, really.
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| 21:49 | well, running from the ltsp-client-core init script, rather than init-ltsp.d, seems to fix it in my crude test case...
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| 21:49 | <Enslaver> 03:00:01 PM all 56.77 0.00 34.10 0.03 0.00 9.09
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| 21:49 | 03:10:01 PM all 18.39 0.01 20.23 0.13 0.00 61.25
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| 21:49 | 03:20:01 PM all 84.07 0.00 10.47 0.00 0.00 5.45
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| 21:49 | lol my SAR from the pi build
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| 22:08 | <ogra_> the original jetpipe was just four lines of shell
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| 22:08 | piping the port directly to the printer inetrface
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| 22:08 | *interface
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| 22:10 | (and it used netcat actually)
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 22:15 | who says LTSP is bloated? :)
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| 22:26 | jammcq: so i think i've got a patch that should be acceptible to the release team.
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| 22:26 | <jammcq> cool
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| 22:26 | how do I test it?
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i guess i could build and upload some packages for you to test
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> jammcq: on amd64? i386?
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| 22:26 | <jammcq> that would be most awesome
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| 22:27 | umm, either, but prefer amd64
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> jammcq: ok, add to your chroot's sources.list: deb http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/debian UNRELEASED main
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| 22:41 | jammcq: ltsp-chroot apt-get update && ltsp-chroot apt-get dist-upgrade
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| 22:41 | jammcq: the packages are unsigned, so you'll get warnings about that
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| 22:43 | jammcq: (presuming ltsp-chroot is hitting the correct chroot)
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| 22:44 | jammcq: and of course, set PRINTER_0_DEVICE and all that ...
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| 22:47 | <jammcq> k, I'll add that now
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| 22:48 | I prolly can't test printing until tomorrow tho
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| 22:48 | I'll set the option tho and see if it boots
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| 23:09 | <jammcq> vagrantc: looks good so far. I configured PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /tmp/printer.out
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| 23:09 | booted the client
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| 23:09 | from the server, I do: telnet 192.16.200.20 9100
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| 23:09 | and whatever I type was written to /tmp/printer.out on the client
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| 23:11 | <vagrantc> that's about what i did, except with netcat instead of telnet
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