IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:52 | <dan__t> werd
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| 01:48 | <budgee> morning
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| 02:44 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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| 02:49 | <erdinc> ogra did you watch this :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbWLfr-Z4s
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| 02:55 | <dan__t> Hi.
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| 02:55 | Anyone know of a way to make a global MOTD display when a user logs in?
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| 03:11 | <ogra> erdinc, heh, funny
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| 03:12 | <dan__t> 'morning, ogra, erdinc.
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| 03:15 | <SiCk--> hey everyone
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| 03:16 | <dan__t> howdy.
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| 03:17 | <SiCk> starting the day off with a bang:
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| 03:17 | <erdinc> hi dan
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| 03:18 | <SiCk> anyone have any ideas on a simple thin client solution for an HP T5000, all it needs to run is a webpage in kiosk(fullscreen) mode
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| 03:18 | <dan__t> xmotd looked promising, however, appears quite old and not able to run on any recent machines.
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| 03:19 | <white> hi, does anybody know or maybe checked the FL_Teacher-Tool? I just read a short mail about it
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| 03:26 | <dan__t> I LOVE LTSP.
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| 03:26 | Just thought I'd let you all know that.
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| 03:29 | <SiCk> i dont :(
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| 03:29 | it doesnt boot to my thin client
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| 03:29 | but it does to my pc laptop
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| 03:32 | <dan__t> what kind of errors are you getting when attempting to boot?
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| 03:33 | Just running Firefox fullscreen?
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| 03:33 | <SiCk> i'd like that aye
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| 03:33 | and no errors
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| 03:33 | thats the odd thing, it just doesnt boot
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| 03:33 | <dan__t> Are you turning the power on?
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| 03:34 | I'm not trying to be a dick - you're just being terribly vague, and I don't quite know where to start :)
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| 03:34 | <SiCk> haha yeah, it gets most of the way through the boot
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| 03:34 | tried turning quiet and splash off
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| 03:35 | so it boots to Uncompressing Linux - OK
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| 03:35 | then does nothing, though it does respond to keypress
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| 03:35 | no prompt tho
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| 03:36 | <dan__t> What kind of processor is on this machine?
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| 03:44 | <SiCk> Via Eden
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| 03:44 | 400mhz
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| 03:45 | <dan__t> I'd doubt that the booting kernel on that machine supports that architecture.
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| 03:45 | That stopping point is pretty much a classic 'processor not supported' error.
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| 03:47 | <SiCk> was hoping that wasnt the case
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| 03:47 | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/35123-342039-342039-342039-637507-12235620.html
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| 03:48 | <dan__t> Have you ever compiled your own kernel before?
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| 03:48 | <SiCk> nope
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| 03:48 | though... there is a kernel already on the machine
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| 03:49 | its pre-installed...
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| 03:49 | but you cant really do alot with it
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| 03:49 | <dan__t> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels
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| 03:50 | That looks old, but it might give you some good ideas.
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| 03:55 | <SiCk> thanks dan__t, i'll have a wee go.
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| 04:12 | <ogra> SiCk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins use the code at the bottom with ltsp5 and you are set ;)
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| 04:12 | (for kiosk mode)
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| 04:13 | SiCk, mind joining #ubuntu-kernel for a second ?
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| 04:18 | <dan__t> hrm.
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| 04:27 | <SiCk> ogra: done, sorry i was away a bit
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| 05:07 | <mhterres> hy everybody
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| 05:07 | oops
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| 05:07 | hi
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| 05:07 | :-)
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| 05:29 | <dan__t> Bah, Someone gave me some hackery yesterday about how I can tell which client is connected on which X server. Of course my buffer ate it. Anyone know how I can do that by chance?
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| 05:32 | <cliebow> ill send it from school\
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| 05:33 | <ogra> cliebow, http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/testtcm.png :)
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| 05:33 | <dan__t> Thanks :)
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| 05:33 | <cliebow> 8`)
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| 05:34 | <ogra> now with vnc support ... http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/tcm2.png ;)
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| 05:34 | (still needs some polish, but will be ready for feisty)
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| 05:34 | <cliebow> looking
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| 05:34 | coolo
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| 05:35 | <dan__t> ogra, is that one of your creations??
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| 05:36 | <ogra> dan__t, i created the initial app a year ago ... pete took over and added all the neat stuff :)
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| 05:36 | <dan__t> I am.... extremely impressed.
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| 05:36 | <cliebow> Very cool..i do something like that manually..
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| 05:36 | that with vnc.so?
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| 05:37 | <dan__t> I'd be more than happy to help test, if you wish.
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| 05:37 | <ogra> nope, i havent seen the code yet, but i think the tiles are just forwarded xwd schots to save bandwith ... the real conection is done by a wrapper stolen from vnc2swf
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| 05:37 | <cliebow> i set x11vnc to scale at .2 and open a bunch of desktops
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| 05:38 | <ogra> in a later release iÄd like to have popups like tooltips that show you a live image at 640x480 ;)
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| 05:38 | (if you hover over a tile)
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| 05:39 | we tried x11vnc but the preformance is horrible if you have multiple connections
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| 05:39 | <cliebow> so vnc.so?
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| 05:40 | <ogra> i dont know what vnc2swf uses ... its a python wrapper
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| 05:40 | <ogra> (you dont get in touch with vnc at all ... onyl with wrapped py functions)
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| 05:40 | <cliebow> k
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| 05:48 | <cliebow> who is Pete?
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| 05:58 | <ogra> cliebow, cbx33 in #edubuntu
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| 06:01 | <cliebow> ahh..ok
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| 06:04 | <dan__t> So which is the preferred method of vnc?
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| 06:05 | <cliebow> dont think there is one..a lot of diff solutions going on
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| 06:05 | clearly ogra/Pete have a very cool thing
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| 06:05 | <dan__t> Yeah. The only one I've played with so far is through the use of vnc.so
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| 06:05 | Indeed :)
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| 06:05 | Who is Pete?
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| 06:05 | <cliebow> i dont know how much strain vnc.so puts on clients
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| 06:06 | whether it is running all the time? mmy x11vnc runs only on demand
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| 06:06 | and dies when done
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| 06:07 | most of my clients are 32 meg roadkill machines
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| 06:07 | <dan__t> I'm liking this. A lot.
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| 06:07 | <ogra> dan__t, an edubuntu developer ... hanging around in #edubuntu as cbx33
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| 06:07 | <dan__t> ah ok.
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| 06:07 | Well, while we're on the subject - I'm Dan.
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| 06:07 | <cliebow> i dont get much time allotted these days for experiments
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| 06:07 | <dan__t> Pleasure to meet you all, and thanks again on the good job.
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| 06:07 | <ogra> hi dan, i'm oli
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| 06:07 | <cliebow> chuck
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| 06:08 | <dan__t> Nice to meet you both
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| 06:08 | er, meet? talk to? interact with? whatever.
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| 06:08 | <cliebow> 8~).gotta pacjk up for school..
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| 06:08 | <dan__t> beh, 5am here. i'm not doing anything until noon at the earliest.
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| 06:09 | <cliebow> got twelve schools to get ready for nwea testing
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| 06:09 | <dan__t> Know what would be completely bad-ass? An X client for Windows Mobile, so I could VNC into the office or do whatever I needed to do in user PCs, via VNC, remotely.
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| 06:09 | NWEA?
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| 06:09 | <ogra> dan__t, well, since IRC is my office, "meet" is about right :)
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| 06:09 | <dan__t> haha
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| 06:10 | brb, smoke break.
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| 06:14 | Good stuff.
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| 06:20 | <cliebow> dan__t:nx and vnc goes quite a ways..
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| 06:22 | <dan__t> What now?
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| 06:33 | <Guaraldo> good morning...
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| 06:33 | Someone got xdosemu running on LTSP clients?
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| 06:34 | I'm having some trouble with a resorce disalowed...
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| 06:45 | <dan__t> Ok, well, time to crash. Thanks again for the help guys. Nice meeting you all, too.
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| 07:06 | <Guaraldo> the strange thing is that dosemu runs well on server, but gives me an error on the stations...
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| 07:23 | <cliebow_> netstat -t -e | grep x11 | sed -e 's/ \+/ /g' -e 's/:/ /g'
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| 07:27 | <jammcq> G'morning
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| 07:27 | * ogra waves | |
| 07:32 | <jammcq> :)
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| 07:37 | <cliebow_> \/me cliebow genuflects
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| 07:37 | Balls
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| 08:05 | <mhterres_> morning jammcq
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> heh, back again ?
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| 08:06 | <mhterres_> aham
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| 08:06 | connection problems
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:15 | <ogra> hey sbalneav
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| 08:16 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 08:16 | <ogra> sbalneav, you know what ?
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| 08:17 | http://www.acm.mc/rmch/rmch_main.php <- starting in our hotel tomorrow morning
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| 08:17 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:17 | <ogra> its like a late extra christmas present for me :-D
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| 08:17 | <jammcq> oooh
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| 08:18 | just like the tour d'elegance in Monterey :)
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| 08:18 | <ogra> i was so annoyed i had to travel into the snow ... :)
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| 08:18 | and last night they put up posters for it everywhere ... :)
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| 08:19 | <jammcq> are you in Monte Carlo ?
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| 08:19 | <ogra> nope ...
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| 08:19 | no snow in monte carlo ...
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| 08:19 | i'm in oslo
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| 08:19 | <jammcq> ah, that's right
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| 08:19 | you told me
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| 08:19 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:19 | <jammcq> I knew it ended in 'o' :)
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| 08:19 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:24 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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| 08:32 | <cliebow_> +ogra:your wireless card work ok in g4
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| 08:42 | <ogra> cliebow_, yep, with the bcm43xx driver and the right firmware i get through fwcutter
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| 08:47 | <cliebow_> would the firmware bork the apple side?
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| 08:50 | <erdinc> cliebow use this: http://cekirdek.pardus.org.tr/~ismail/dist/bcm43xx-firmware-3.130.20.0.tar.bz2
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| 08:52 | <ogra> cliebow_, there is a package for that integrated in ubuntu, dont use any externat tgz's
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| 08:52 | it will select the right fw for your specific card and download it for you (you need a wired connection for it)
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| 08:53 | bcm43xx should be loaded by udev automatically so after a reboot it should all work
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| 08:55 | <cliebow_> very cool'
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| 09:36 | <Blinny> I have a x86_64 K12LTSP5.0 that I've tried to split to serve two subnets over two NICs and two switches. My client will get a proper IP, boot the kernel, however will fail after trying to switchroot. There aren't any errors in /var/log/messages on the server. Any ideas as to where to start looking?
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| 09:36 | <Blinny> Is dhcpd.conf and /opt/ltsp/*/lts.conf the only places I need to specify the next-server and SERVER fields?
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| 09:39 | <cliebow_> in /etc/exports..you have nfs shared to both subnets?
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| 09:40 | <Blinny> cliebow_: Yes. I've copied /opt/ltsp/i386 into /opt/ltsp/i386-1; the first for 192.168.0.0/24 and the second for 192.168.1.0/24. The remainder of the shares are untouched and permissioned to 192.168.0.0/16
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| 09:40 | * ogra dances | |
| 09:40 | <ogra> sbalneav, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-January/004154.html
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| 09:41 | :-D
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| 09:41 | should be available in ~1.5h
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| 09:41 | <Blinny> cliebow: When attempting to boot, a client on 192.168.1.0/24 does this: "Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386-1 from: 192.168.0.254 then I get nfs server errors of 192.168.0.254 not responding after the switch is attempted.
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| 09:42 | I can't find where 192.168.1.0/24 clients are being instructed to use the 192.168.0.254 server's NIC -- it should be 192.168.1.254
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| 09:43 | <ogra> Blinny, you dont need two client roots ... just share one to both networks
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| 09:43 | (in /etc/exports)
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| 09:44 | <Blinny> ogra: and 'root-path' in dhcpd.conf will be the same for both subnets, except different server IPs?
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| 09:44 | <cliebow_> Blinny showmount -e and see if /opt is shared out to your.1 network
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| 09:45 | <Blinny> cliebow_: Yes. '/opt/ltsp/i386-1 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0'
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| 09:45 | <cliebow_> ogra:it should automagically find bcm15.sys?
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| 09:46 | <Blinny> ogra: The reason I created two client roots was because I needed to define SERVER in lts.conf differently for each subnet so that the two would be kept separate.
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> ogra: cool
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| 09:47 | <cliebow_> 1.0 and 0.0 are differnt subnets huh..so two cards onr for each subnet? then you should get nfs for 1.0 on perhaps 192.168.1.254
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| 09:48 | <Blinny> To my eye, there must be some error in dhcpd.conf that tells a 192.168.1.* client to mount a 192.168.1.* share from a 192.168.0.254 server
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| 09:48 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 09:48 | <Blinny> cliebow_: Yeah. Two NICs, two subnets, two switches.
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| 09:49 | cliebow_: I agree. I *should* get NFS for 1.0 on .1.254 however the .1.* clients mount root from .0.254 and I don't know why.
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| 09:50 | <jammcq> Blinny: what is your 'root-path' set to ?
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| 09:51 | <Blinny> jammcq: I have two shared-network definitions, each with a subnet in dhcpd.conf. Each one has its own 'root-path'. for 192.168.0.0/24 the 'root-path' is "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; for 192.168.1.0/24 the 'root-path' is "192.168.1.254:/opt/ltsp/i386-1";
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| 09:51 | I copied those directly from the dhcpd.conf file just to make sure I wasn't seeing things (;
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| 09:53 | <jammcq> can you email your complete dhcpd.conf file to me at jam@ltsp.org ?
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| 09:53 | <Blinny> I think it's mounting the correct location, however somehow the client is requesting the mount over the wrong NIC.
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| 09:53 | ( mountd[28952]: authenticated mount request from ws1-251.ltsp1:937 for /opt/ltsp/i386-1 (/opt/ltsp/i386-1))
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> also, on the server, do this: ifconfig -a
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| 09:54 | and email me the results
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| 09:54 | and one more thing: showmount -e
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| 09:54 | send me those results too
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| 09:55 | <Blinny> jammcq: Oops. First email already went out. Subsequent will follow.
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> no prob
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| 09:57 | <ogra> cliebow_, it shoudl, yes ... and install the firmware into /lib/firmware
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> Blinny: are you sure there's no chance that your 2 nics are physically connected in some way?
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| 10:03 | <Blinny> jammcq: Other than being in the same machine, yes. Both go to fiber lines to separate switches in separate buildings.
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> jammcq: I do get this on the client, recurring: "nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying' \n 'nfs: server 192.168.0.254 OK'
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| 10:04 | each message is roughly a minute apart
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> what's the IP addr of the client?
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> jammcq: 192.168.1.252
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> this is k12ltsp-5.0 ?
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 10:05 | x86_64
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> so it's ltsp-4.1 I think
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> I think so; the first with localdev support IIRC
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| 10:06 | <pscheie> k12ltsp5 is ltsp-4.2
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> so, the next thing I'd try is capturing a packet trace.
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| 10:06 | do this:
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| 10:06 | tcpdump -i eth1 -s 1520 -w /tmp/tcpdump.out
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| 10:06 | and then try booting the client
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| 10:06 | after a minute or so, kill the tcpdump
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| 10:07 | and mail me the /tmp/tcpdump.out file AS AN ATTACHMENT
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| 10:07 | <cliebow_> ogra:seems i have to d/l bcm15.sys independently
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| 10:07 | <ogra> that shouldnt be ...
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| 10:08 | <cliebow_> sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter bcm15.sys -w /lib/firmware
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| 10:08 | ?
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| 10:08 | <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter
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| 10:08 | <Blinny> jammcq: Let me kill my NXSession on eth1 so you don't get tons of extra crap
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> Blinny: yeah, that would be great
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| 10:08 | <ogra> that will attempt the download again
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| 10:08 | even though it should have asked you before
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> jammcq: I'll run it until the first 'OK
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| 10:12 | * ogra now has the volume control hotkeys working with pulseaudio as well :) | |
| 10:13 | <jammcq> ogra receives the gold star for the day
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| 10:13 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:13 | but still no mic input :/
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> jammcq: Sent. It's 6MB. The client from which I issued the command was SSH'd via eth1 and IRC'ing. I can change this behavior if there's too much data to muck through.
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| 10:14 | <cliebow_> Extracting firmware from an old driver is bad..Choose a more recent one
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| 10:15 | reboot and try it just the same 8~)
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| 10:15 | <jammcq> Blinny: shouldn't be a problem, I can filter out the stuff I don't want
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| 10:16 | <ogra> moquist, building the first edubuntu-auth-server package with your template :)
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| 10:17 | <Blinny> jammcq: Thank you for taking the time to look at this. I only hope it's not some silly configuration parameter I've skewered.
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| 10:22 | jammcq: The only other possibly-relevant piece of information I can think of is that the switches are managed. They're still at default values, as they're new. However, I can mount the .1.254 NFS exports from a normal-boot Fedora machine on .1.* without issues or latency.
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| 10:24 | <Joffrey> hello i have to make a LTSP server and i have a problem. when i want to log in with my username and password my screen turns black and after a couple of sec it returns to the log screen can anyone help me
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| 10:27 | <ogra> Joffrey, which distro ?
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| 10:31 | <Joffrey> Ubuntu 6.10
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| 10:31 | <ogra> run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server and try to log in again on the client
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| 10:33 | <Joffrey> did that allready
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| 10:33 | <ogra> do you have sabayon installed ?
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| 10:34 | <Joffrey> what is that :)
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| 10:34 | <ogra> ok, ten you likely dont
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| 10:34 | check the users ~/.xsession-errors file
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| 10:34 | it might reveal something
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| 10:34 | <Joffrey> just a second
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> Blinny: dude, I'm seeing 'Option 17: Root Path = "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386-1"' in your packet stream
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> jammcq: Are all instances of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/* set via lts.conf's SERVER field?
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| 10:37 | <jammcq> huh?
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| 10:38 | at the point of doing the NFS mount, we don't have a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc yet
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> jammcq: I'm too new to LTSP to be able to think of places where that could begin manifestation other than lts.conf and dhcpd.conf, both of which are set correctly as far as I can see.
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| 10:38 | <jammcq> dhcpd.conf is correct now, but is there any chance you haven't restarted dhcpd since making the change?
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> jammcq: Ah, okay. Thank you. -- so it must be in the dhcpd.conf options then?
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| 10:38 | jammcq: heh I wish
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| 10:39 | jammcq: I'll do it again just to be sure. (;
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| 10:39 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 10:39 | and.... what's the complete pathname to your dhcpd.conf ?
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| 10:39 | seems like eric did something to create a new location for the file, but that might be for k12ltsp-6.0
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| 10:40 | <Blinny> Yeah, when I've said 'dhcpd.conf' I've really meant 'dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf' -- I edited for simplicity's sake
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| 10:40 | <jammcq> k
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| 10:40 | heh, I see the problem :)
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| 10:40 | <Blinny> jammcq: I see this in dhcpd-k12ltsp.conf: 'if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { do something} else {192.168.0.254}"
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| 10:41 | jammcq: Is that what you saw?
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| 10:41 | <jammcq> right
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| 10:41 | that's the problem
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> Shesh.
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| 10:41 | <jammcq> yeah, change it to 1.254
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| 10:41 | on both of those lines
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> My mind skippd right over that, thinking "I don't use ppc". You'd think I had the hang of if/then clauses by now (;
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| 10:41 | <jammcq> only in the 2nd shared network
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> Testing now
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| 10:42 | Hrm.
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| 10:43 | Now it mounts root correctly, but the same message appears, albeit with 192.168.1.254 instead. "nfs: server 192.168.1.254 is not responding, still trying'
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| 10:43 | rpc.mountd, nfsd and rpc.rquotad are all running
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> yeah, does it eventually work?
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| 10:44 | <Blinny> And, messages says: mountd[28952]: authenticated mount request from ws1-251.ltsp1:937 for /opt/ltsp/i386-1 (/opt/ltsp/i386-1) -- I'm guessing this is the first mount prior to the SwitchRoot?
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> "first mount" ?
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| 10:44 | i'm not sure what you mean
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| 10:45 | there's only 1 NFS mount taking place
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| 10:45 | <Blinny> jammcq: The client says: "Mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386-1 from: 192.168.1.254" and proceeds for another five lines or so. I was assuming this meant a successful mount
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| 10:45 | <jammcq> yeah, that's a success
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| 10:45 | the 'nfs server not responding' is happening AFTER the mount
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| 10:46 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 10:46 | Next is 'setting up new root ramdisk area', then 'doing the switchroot', then the switchroot tag, then 'Freeing ram used by initramfs', then the errors
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| 10:47 | Still hanging, though not locked. I haven't yet received the 'OK' I received before, after which it would continue to throw non-response errors
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| 10:47 | <jammcq> Blinny: can you get to the ltsp wiki ?
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| 10:48 | <Blinny> jammcq: Absolutely.
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| 10:48 | <jammcq> somehow, I can't get there from here
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| 10:48 | <Blinny> Oh wait. 'Connecting to wiki.ltsp.org' -- no response.
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| 10:49 | <Joffrey> hello i have to make a LTSP server and i have a problem. when i want to log in with my username and password my screen turns black and after a couple of sec it returns to the log screen can anyone help me
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> jammcq: I'm guessing you're restarting the service, and now it's DOA
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> Blinny: had to restart apache. it's working now :)
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| 10:50 | <mhterres_> I'm back
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> Blinny: ok, read this article:
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| 10:50 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> jammcq: Thanks, will do.
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| 10:51 | <mhterres_> again with my xdosemu problem :-(
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| 10:52 | <Blinny> jammcq: Will these option-128's override previously set option-128's of "code 128 = string" in dhcpd.conf?
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| 10:53 | <jammcq> Blinny: the entry you already have in dhcpd.conf is only setting up the 'TYPE' of option for 128
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| 10:53 | it's not setting a value
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| 10:53 | <Blinny> jammcq: Excellent. Success.
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| 10:54 | jammcq: Thank you very much for all your assistance, via email as well as IRC.
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| 10:54 | jammcq: Sorry for it turning out to be a stupid configuration parameter; I was afraid of that.
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| 10:54 | <jammcq> no problem-o
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| 10:55 | <ogra> mhterres_, whats the prob, dosemu runs fine here ... even on a ppc client :)
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| 10:56 | <mhterres_> ogra, xdosemu is not working in the clients
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| 10:56 | let me see the error
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| 10:56 | <Blinny> jammcq: Oh, wow this thing is fast. Now to convert all my users from Win98 to this. Hurray!
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| 10:56 | <ogra> hmm, whats xdosemu ? i only see dosemu
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| 10:56 | <Blinny> jammcq: Cheers mate. I'm going to play.
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| 10:57 | jammcq: Thanks again.
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| 10:58 | <mhterres_> ogra, xdosemu = dosemu -X :-)
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| 10:59 | ogra
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| 10:59 | X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)
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| 10:59 | Major opcode of failed request: 143 (MIT-SHM)
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| 10:59 | Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (X_ShmAttach)
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| 10:59 | Serial number of failed request: 83
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| 10:59 | Current serial number in output stream: 84
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| 11:00 | <jammcq> mhterres_: ahhh, can't do Shm on remote terminals
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| 11:01 | Shm is X Shared Memory, where the client and the server share a piece of memory
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| 11:01 | but you can't do that remotely
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| 11:02 | <mhterres_> $_X_mitshm = (off)
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| 11:02 | <jammcq> did that fix it?
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| 11:02 | <mhterres_> no
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| 11:02 | that is the problem
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| 11:02 | :-(
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| 11:03 | <jammcq> are you sure you specified the option correctly?
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| 11:03 | I've never used xdosemu
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| 11:03 | <mhterres_> yes, Gadi said yesterday to do this
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| 11:08 | ogra, any idea ?
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| 11:08 | <ogra> nope, like jammcq i never used dosemu
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| 11:08 | but i see the same error
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| 11:09 | <mhterres_> hmmm
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| 11:09 | <Joffrey> hello i have to make a LTSP server and i have a problem. when i want to log in with my username and password my screen turns black and after a couple of sec it returns to the log screen can anyone help me
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| 11:09 | <ogra> Joffrey, whats the error log file saying i pointed you to ?
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| 11:10 | <Joffrey> i cant find the one you mean
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| 11:10 | whats the dir
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| 11:10 | <ogra> the homedir of the user
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| 11:10 | there is a file .xsession-errors
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| 11:10 | look into it
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| 11:10 | see if you find errors
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| 11:12 | <Joffrey> think i found it
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| 11:13 | <ogra> what does it say ?
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| 11:14 | <Joffrey> no window manager and no xterm
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| 11:14 | gnome message ..... returning -1
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| 11:14 | <ogra> but you installed it on a standard ubuntu 6.10, right ?
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| 11:14 | <Joffrey> yes 6.10 servers
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| 11:14 | <ogra> not on an ubuntu server
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| 11:15 | that cant work
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| 11:15 | ltsp needs a desktop installed
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| 11:15 | <Joffrey> ?
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| 11:15 | so i have to have a desktop edition before it can work ? no server of 6.10 ?
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| 11:15 | <cliebow_> apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
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| 11:15 | <ogra> or ubuntu-desktop :)
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| 11:15 | <cliebow_> or ubuntu-desktop
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| 11:15 | or..or/
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| 11:15 | <ogra> Joffrey, right
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| 11:16 | ltsp needs somethin you can log in to :)
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| 11:16 | <Joffrey> but i use a thin client and when that starts up a graphical log screen appears
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| 11:16 | <ogra> yep, thats running locally on the client
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| 11:17 | as soon as you log in you log in to the server and the ltsp loginmanager wants to start an X session
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| 11:17 | if there is no desktop environment it cant start that :)
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| 11:17 | <Joffrey> so first i have to have a desktop edition and repeat the ltsp quickinstall from the ubuntu site and than it should work?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> well, you can as well just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> Joffrey: just add a desktop environment to your current server
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| 11:18 | <ogra> even thouch you likely want a desktop kernel as well ... the server kernel has preemption disabled
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> they already showed you how
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| 11:18 | apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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| 11:18 | it's sooooo easy
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| 11:19 | <Joffrey> not for a noob like me ;)
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| 11:19 | <Joffrey> it's for a school assigment
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| 11:19 | <jammcq> even a noob can type that command
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| 11:19 | <ogra> or copy and paste it :)
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| 11:19 | behind a sudo :)
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| 11:20 | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
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| 11:20 | is better :)
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| 11:20 | <cliebow_> even cliebow can type that..twice..without an error
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| 11:21 | <Joffrey> can you give me some tips to make ltsp a little bit better because it's for school and i want to get some good points you know ;)
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| 11:21 | <ogra> Joffrey, you should really have taken edubuntu then ...
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| 11:21 | thats targeted at edubuntu
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| 11:21 | err shools
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| 11:22 | <Joffrey> i'm going to try all the platforms with ltsp ;) so edubuntu is the next one :)
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| 11:22 | is it that easy ?
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| 11:22 | <ogra> if you have two network cards in the server it should all work out of the box
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| 11:23 | <ogra> if not youre allowed to hit me ... i'm maintining it :)
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| 11:24 | <Joffrey> i'm using VMware ;) so i can at as many as i want ;)
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| 11:25 | <Joffrey> so that's not a problem
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| 11:25 | <ogra> great
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| 11:26 | <Joffrey> i know
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| 11:26 | our intire school works with ltsp
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| 11:30 | <Joffrey> and in edubuntu ltsp is configured in the setup i read ? is that possible
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| 11:31 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:31 | its all set up for you during install
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| 11:32 | <Joffrey> nice :) a lot easyer
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| 11:32 | sorry if my english is really bad ;) blame my english teacher for that
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| 11:33 | <ogra> your english is fine ...
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| 11:33 | :)
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| 11:33 | <Joffrey> thanks ;)
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| 11:34 | <ogra> at least for me as a german :)
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| 11:35 | <Joffrey> aaaah not so far from me :)
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| 11:35 | im belgian ;)
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| 11:36 | <ogra> i guessed so by your ip :)
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| 11:36 | <Joffrey> hehe :)
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| 11:39 | <moquist> Oooooh - 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'. You mean I didn't have to do that manually??!? :-)
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| 11:39 | <ogra> moquist, usually not ... its done by ltsp-build-client or by an if-up.d script if the interface comes up
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| 11:40 | <moquist> ogra: Heh - OK, if what I sent you is already useful, great. But I could do a lot more as long as I know I'm not doing something drastically wrong...
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| 11:40 | <ogra> it is useful ... we'll create a udeb from it to preseed the debconf data for slapd and pam-ldap
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| 11:41 | <moquist> ogra: Right. But I had old ssh keys I wanted to use on my new Edubuntu installation, so I replaced the contents of /etc/ssh/. After a while I figured out that this meant I had to replace /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts.
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| 11:41 | <ogra> (udebs are only run by the installer)
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| 11:42 | <moquist> Hmm. OK. I'd like to help more but I don't know what to do or how to test.
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| 11:42 | ...and I just haven't had the tons of time yet to sit around and figure all of that out.
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| 11:42 | :\
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| 11:42 | <ogra> hmm, i thought we had an opportunity to use /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts.ltsp
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| 11:43 | or something similar ...
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| 11:43 | <moquist> ?
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| 11:43 | <ogra> vagrant once worked on a patch fpr that ... but ssems it never landed
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| 11:43 | (for additional sshkeys)
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| 11:45 | <moquist> ogra: would you be interested in a patch to allow sysadmins to specify multiple "application servers" in lts.conf; each TC would then choose an application server (deterministically or not). This would provide user-level load balancing of sorts.
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| 11:45 | I say "a" patch, but I'm not sure quite how much it would really take.
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| 11:46 | ogra: It was about 20 lines of shell in the LTSP screenrc, but Edubuntu also has the ssh keys to worry about, and I'd have to think more about how to make the configuration as secure+automagic as possible. (In straight LTSP the sysadmin just lists her hosts in lts.conf.)
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| 11:46 | <ogra> define "application server"
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| 11:47 | you mean the ssh server ?
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| 11:47 | or the nfs server ?
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| 11:47 | <moquist> ogra: In the straight-LTSP implementation, we just connected to a different XDMCP server.
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| 11:47 | <ogra> so the ssh server then
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| 11:47 | <moquist> ogra: Yes.
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| 11:48 | <ogra> if its sane and doesnt require users to type user@serverip like vagrant wanted to add it to ldm
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| 11:48 | <moquist> ogra: BTW, we've switched to Edubuntu at the High School now, where we have several hundred TCs.
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| 11:48 | <ogra> wow !
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| 11:48 | and everything is fine ?
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| 11:48 | <moquist> Two Edubuntu servers, DHCP failover between two servers.
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| 11:49 | <ogra> nice !
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| 11:49 | <moquist> ogra: Well, I forgot to install nscd last week, so everything (like, everything) crashed yesterday morning when the kids really hit the servers for the first time. But I figured out what I'd [not] done, did it, brought things back up, and it's been fine since then. 1.5 days so far... ;-)
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| 11:49 | <ogra> you really should contac willvdl and make him add it to the success stories page on the website :)
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| 11:50 | <moquist> ogra: I will, but I want to give it more than 1.5 days.
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| 11:50 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:50 | <moquist> ogra: Also, there are some local political reasons I don't want to make too big a deal out of it.
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| 11:50 | <ogra> well ...
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| 11:50 | :)
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| 11:53 | <moquist> ogra: I *have* put my killing-me-mostly script in place, so every login kills all of a user's other processes. I suppose I could add a logging feature to the script, so that we have a record of how much and what it has to kill.
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| 11:53 | That would help with debugging.
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| 11:54 | <ogra> tie it to an ssh login ... if there is no parent kill it ... then its proper and you wont kill multiple logins
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| 11:55 | but loggong would help for a start
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| 11:55 | so i can tackle the real problems
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| 11:55 | <moquist> tie "it" to an ssh login? tie what?
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| 11:55 | <ogra> the killing ...
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| 11:55 | dont kill anything thats a child of an sshd process
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| 11:56 | * moquist nods. I'll put the logging in place and that'll tell me more about what's going on. | |
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| 12:05 | <mhterres_> DONE !!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:05 | dosemu does not find the dosemurc conf file
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| 12:05 | that was the problem
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| 12:06 | <jammcq> bwahahahahahahha
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> moquist: let me know if you want to talk about an implementation for that multi-app server patch. I had started working on modding ldm for separate app server a while ago, but haven't had time to hack much on it
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| 12:16 | * ogra will go for dinner now ... | |
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| 12:17 | <Shingoshi> How can I build my own x86_64 kernel for ltsp?
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| 12:30 | <Joffrey> so i'm now doing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :)
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| 13:00 | <jmbarbier> hello
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| 13:04 | <irule> hi, you manage NFS and I would like to mount an NFS directory shared from a linux server, can you help me? thanks
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| 13:04 | erp, mount it to a MAC OSX :)
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| 13:12 | <mathesis> there is a people hispan?
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| 13:12 | <moquist> Gadi: K. I'm thinking the implementation would be about the same as in screenrc, except with Python. The thing I haven't thought about yet is how to help the administrator conveniently get all the required ssh keys in ssh_known_hosts.
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| 13:13 | <mathesis> you have some SyncMaster monitor 551V?
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| 13:14 | or some monitor ALASKA?
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| 13:15 | <irule> I am hispan
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| 13:19 | <irule> si claro
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> moquist: for a start, I would simply get it going with '-o "StrictHostKeyChecking no"' in the ssh command
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| 13:20 | <mathesis> irule: tengo ltsp4.2
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| 13:20 | <irule> yo tambien :D
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| 13:20 | <mathesis> tengo un monitor syncmaster 551v que me esta dando problema
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| 13:20 | <irule> guys how can I mount ltsp's NFS shares at another fat linux? thanks
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| 13:21 | <mathesis> cuando hace entra a Xorg el cliente se queda el monitor diciendo Sinc. Fuera de Limite
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| 13:21 | <irule> en xserver cambia de auto a vesa, con vesa te olvidas de configurar todas
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| 13:22 | <mathesis> he puesto el refresco vertical del manual y la frecuencia horizontal y nada
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| 13:22 | <irule> lo pones en default y listo
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| 13:22 | <moquist> irule: si; puedes mount ltsp's NFS shares a un otro linux que es gordo. ;)
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| 13:22 | <irule> quita todo eso, no es necesario, solo empieza con 640x480 y 16 en colores y de ahi sube resoluciones para averiguar cuanto te aguanta
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| 13:24 | <mathesis> wow
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| 13:24 | eso era todo
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| 13:24 | me aguanta hasta 1024x768
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| 13:24 | <irule> facil, deberia de venir asi por default je, donde instalaste ltsp?
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| 13:25 | <irule> 24 en colores?
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| 13:25 | <mathesis> /opt/ltsp/
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| 13:25 | si 24 en colores 1024x768
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| 13:26 | <irule> yo acabo de hacer que corran al albañil de IT de una escuela gracias a LTSP y ahora me pagan su sueldo como consultor externo sin obligacion de checar tarjeta jeje
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| 13:26 | <mathesis> irule: lo presentas como proyecto?
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| 13:27 | yo quiero hacerme un proyecto para presentarlo en escuelas haber si me gano unos centavos
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| 13:29 | <irule> es bien facil, yo llevo una laptop con LTSP instalado, agarro tres de sus windows y las pongo como clientes con VNC, el chiste es que ahi en la escuela uses el cliente VNC en maquinas con windows 98, y entrando a linux le das rdesktop a una XP, cuando ven XP jalando rapido en una terminal lenta, tienen que correr al baño je
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| 13:32 | <mathesis> pones VNC para conectar a windows?
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| 13:34 | <irule> para hacer el demo si, no es necesario perder el tiempo tratando de configurar terminales cuando apenas les estas presumiento la solucion ;)
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| 13:40 | <mathesis> irule: de donde eres ?
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| 13:43 | <irule> Guadalajara, y tu¿?
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| 13:44 | <mathesis> veracruz
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| 13:45 | a chinga somos paisas
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| 13:51 | <irule> aqui hay mucho mexicano :) ...ya ves como somos de tacaños para pagar hardware nuevo ;) jeje
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| 13:55 | <mathesis> ja ja ja
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| 13:55 | simon esta el efra tambien que me ha ayudado mucho
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| 13:56 | * mathesis quiere agradecer por su apoyo a vagrantc, efra , irule ,edgarin... | |
| 13:56 | * mathesis si alguno se me olvido disculpen | |
| 13:56 | * mathesis thanks vagratc,sbalneav | |
| 13:59 | <efra> don't mention it mathesis :)
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| 13:59 | <irule> its a pleasure
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| 13:59 | and Ill send you the bill soon ;) lol
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| 14:09 | <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! anyone can tell me what is the file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and what is it for? thank you?
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| 14:10 | <sepski> paolob-parroquia, it's the default config file for pxe booting
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| 14:10 | <paolob-parroquia> sepski, ogra told me: try adding: "MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048" to the kernel line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:10 | should I add it on the 1st line (DEFAULT=....) or in a separate line?
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| 14:11 | <sepski> append it to the first line.
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| 14:11 | <sepski> it's um
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| 14:11 | wait i dont know :)
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| 14:11 | looks like a separate line
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| 14:12 | <paolob-parroquia> where is that file documented?
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| 14:13 | <sepski> it's just the kernel arguments , so i assumed it was on one line.
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| 14:14 | append it to the kernel line.
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| 14:17 | <paolob-parroquia> sepski, ok
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| 14:18 | sepski, the line would be: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=4096,rsize=4096
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| 14:18 | is it reasonable?
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| 14:20 | <sepski> actualy i think it depends on your pxe version. i see examples to both things on google
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| 14:20 | so im perplexed
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| 14:20 | try one first. then the other :)
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| 14:24 | <paolob-parroquia> ok
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| 14:38 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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| 16:39 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 17:03 | <cliebow> HOWDie
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| 17:12 | <cliebow> mornings
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| 17:32 | <dan__t> 'afternoon.
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| 18:18 | <dan__t> So I've been interested in trying to make users part of groups, and in those groups, they have access to certain applications. i.e. admins would be able to add/remove software, cust service reps would be able to only use gaim, thunderbird, and firefox, etc etc.
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| 18:18 | I know this is more of a Linux-centric question, and not necessarily that of LTSP, but I thought it would be best to ask here since I'm sure you guys would be familiar with that just due to the nature of how LTSP works.
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| 18:46 | <dberkholz> you might want to look into acl's
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| 18:51 | <dan__t> werd
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| 18:52 | will do, thanks.
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| 19:37 | <irule> hi
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| 19:39 | <dan__t> 'evening.
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| 22:17 | <dan__t> herro.
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| 22:18 | <knight> hi all
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| 22:18 | anyone installed Xubuntu with LTSP
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| 22:19 | <Shingoshi> Has anyone here used LTSP to boot openmosix?
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| 22:19 | <knight> and is the issue with the thin client shuttingsdown the ltsp server resolved
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| 22:20 | openmosix is that the cluster application
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| 22:20 | <Shingoshi> yes
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| 22:20 | <knight> why would you want to do that
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| 22:20 | <echo09090> anyone know how to point the thinclient to the server when using an etherboot floppy?
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| 22:20 | <knight> :???
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| 22:21 | it should look for an dhcp server
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| 22:21 | <Shingoshi> I would like to have only one server providing my cluster's kernel to all units on the network.
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| 22:21 | <knight> if you have one settup to redirect it to a image file
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| 22:22 | isnt cluster about making all units work as one
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| 22:22 | ???
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| 22:22 | <echo09090> simething like tha
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| 22:22 | t
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| 22:23 | <Shingoshi> Yes. But I have already seen a blurb on it on the internet. It provides for a unified architecture across all machines.
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| 22:24 | <knight> ok
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| 22:25 | meaning that they all work on the same workload
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| 22:25 | same thing I said
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| 22:25 | but on simple terms
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| 22:26 | this is good to know
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| 22:26 | and interesting Idea
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| 22:29 | <Shingoshi> There are two things I believe should be standard in every linux kernel. LTSP and openMosix.
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| 22:30 | If these two things were present, Linux would truly be an Enterprise Networking System without rival.
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| 22:31 | <dan__t> Well good thing that places like www.ltsp.org exist ;)
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| 22:31 | <Shingoshi> You would only have to install it once, and everything would be automatic.
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| 22:33 | <Shingoshi> You would never have to worry about verifying compatibilty across your network. There would only be one point to configure for the whole environment.
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| 22:36 | <knight> oh ok
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| 22:36 | thats cool
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| 22:38 | <Shingoshi> Check it out on the internet. Someone wrote a peice about it. Just google this; LTSP-openmosix
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| 22:40 | There is even a distribution which is set up for this.
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| 22:40 | The problem for me is that I am x86_64!
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| 22:46 | <knight> lol
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| 22:46 | alot of people have that issue
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| 22:50 | * vagrantc notes for reference that LTSP is not part of the linux kernel, per se ... | |
| 22:56 | <Shingoshi> But it would be nice if it could somehow be attached, so that when you install the kernel, you automatically also have LTSP.
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| 22:57 | Kind of like the one default application that everyone gets uniformly.
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> LTSP is a collection of services...
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| 22:57 | it is not part of the kernel.
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| 22:58 | it is a bunch of services that when properly configured, provide an LTSP environment ...
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| 22:58 | <Shingoshi> Ok, I understand that. I am just saying it would be nice if the kernel came bundled with LTSP. We wouldn't be worse off for it.
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| 22:59 | <vagrantc> i don't really understand why you are trying to tie LTSP to the kernel ...
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| 22:59 | it doesn't make any sense to me ...
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| 22:59 | <mathesis> i have a card video with chipset sis
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| 22:59 | <vagrantc> i could see "it would be nice if LTSP was automatically configured"
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| 22:59 | but that has little to nothing to do with the kernel ...
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| 23:00 | <mathesis> and whe XSERVER=sis tne try in the tty
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| 23:00 | <Shingoshi> If everyone had LTSP, any environment of multiple computers would have only one point of configuration and distribution. You would only have to install Linux ONCE.
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| 23:00 | <mathesis> *and when XSERVER=sis tne try in the tty
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| 23:01 | and no startx in kde
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| 23:01 | <Shingoshi> If the kernel was preconfigured as openmosix, every Linux installation would be a cluster.
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| 23:02 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: well, there are *many* situations in which the services that LTSP uses would not be at all desireable... but yes, making LTSP easy to install where you want it installed is something i can many people in the ltsp channel could agree is a good thing.
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| 23:02 | ditto for openmosix
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| 23:03 | <Shingoshi> What situations are not appropriate?
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| 23:03 | <vagrantc> it would be a huge security hole to have LTSP running on my firewall, mail server or web server.
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| 23:03 | <Shingoshi> Couldn't you set up controls for them?
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> well, i'd rather not have to spend a lot of energy deconfiguring services that i have absolutely no use for.
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| 23:04 | and actually introduce additional points of potential security holes ...
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| 23:04 | <Shingoshi> I have IpCop for my firewall. Give me a moment to explain myself and see if you still disagree with me.
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| 23:04 | Hold on.
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| 23:05 | There are many advancements taking place in Linux. One of them is virtualization.
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| 23:06 | It gives you the ability to have one machine running multiple os's.
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| 23:06 | Let's say we kept all of our networking controlled by something like ipcop.
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| 23:07 | All external networking were channeled through it.
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| 23:08 | Yes it would require everyone to have two network cards o the master machine. But that's no big deal.
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| 23:09 | A red interface for external access. Green for internal access.
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| 23:09 | All of your openmosix and LTSP would be on the green interface.
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| 23:10 | With only one machine, you have security controlled by it. The master machine.
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| 23:10 | That machine would be your application server and your firewall.
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| 23:11 | Virtualization could run ipcop.
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| 23:11 | No one on the outside could break through what is essentially a chroot where ipcop would be running.
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| 23:12 | Done^^^
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| 23:13 | What do you think now?
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| 23:13 | <mathesis> vagrantc: tengo un problema con un cliente
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> i still fail to see how forcing this on *everyone* will not cause undue and unnecessary complication for those who do not need all these services. i think you'd be much better off merely making it easy to set up this environment so people can easily configure it.
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| 23:14 | you will never win anyone with a one size fits all approach.
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| 23:14 | <mathesis> cuando presiono un caracter este se aparece como 5 veces o mas
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> mathesis: no se ...
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| 23:15 | <mathesis> por ejemplo presiono la tecla A y se ejecuta AAAAAAA
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| 23:15 | <Shingoshi> Think of something a simple as a home network. One computer with all applications on that computer serving the entire home.
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: how wil lthat scale to a 10,000 computer network?
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| 23:16 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: your fundamental premise is that there is no situation in which this would actually be detrimental, and i just don't buy into that premise.
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| 23:16 | <Shingoshi> I think it would actually simplify things. Does Linux scale across 10000 computers? Openmosix may not have that limitation.
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| 23:16 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: but i strongly encourage you to make it an option.
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| 23:17 | <Shingoshi> Besides, if it become the major point of activity for Linux, every application could be developed to support it including the kernel.
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| 23:17 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: and i think it is a useful idea that would interfere with many existing installations.
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| 23:18 | <Shingoshi> You could always turn it off!
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> if i wanted to spend all day turning things off, i'd run windows.
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| 23:18 | <Shingoshi> Just having something, doesn't mean you are forced to use it.
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: how well do you think this would work on an embedded device?
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| 23:19 | <Shingoshi> It depends on how many devices were on the network.
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| 23:19 | <vagrantc> and just because something might be useful to lots of people doesn't mean everyone should have to include it.,
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| 23:20 | <Shingoshi> Think of public libraries with multiple computers. Or colleges. All of them would suddenly without effort be clustered.
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| 23:21 | As well as having applications readily available to everyone. With security restrictions provided.
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| 23:21 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: you don't have to sell me anything. i see how the idea would be useful.
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| 23:21 | <Shingoshi> Are you a developer?
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| 23:21 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: and you continue to ignore my fundamental point.
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| 23:22 | yes, i develop LTSP for debian...
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| 23:22 | amoung other things...
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| 23:22 | <Shingoshi> Can we continue this elsewhere?
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| 23:22 | <vagrantc> there is really nothing to continue- you seem to miss my entire point.
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| 23:24 | <Shingoshi> You believe it would be wrong to force this option on everyone. I get that. I also said it would be optional. Just immediately available to anyone who wants it, without having to configure it.
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| 23:25 | There are many features in the Kernel that are optional. If you don't want them, you either turn them off or don't enable them.
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> Shingoshi: have you set up LTSP before?
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| 23:26 | <Shingoshi> It's just like filesystems. I use xfs. Not every one does.
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| 23:26 | I am running slackware. Do I need to say more???
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| 23:26 | LOLOL!
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| 23:27 | <vagrantc> i'm just really perplexed why you keep talking about features in the kernel...
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| 23:27 | <Shingoshi> No. I was wrong about LTSP in the kernel. But not openmosix. That requires the kernel.
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| 23:28 | openmosix requires a custom kernel.
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| 23:28 | So not too many people know about it.
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| 23:30 | The reason why I included LTSP and openmosix together, is because you can only have one version of openmosix on your network. That would be solved by LTSP.
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| 23:31 | I am currently transitioning to Gentoo-AMD64.
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| 23:31 | <vagrantc> well, there are reasons that openmosix hasn't been merged into the mainline kernel ...
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| 23:31 | <Shingoshi> They have both of these.
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| 23:31 | How about low contribution.
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| 23:32 | <Shingoshi> I guess I just have big ideas. I would like to see less fragmentation in Linux.
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| 23:33 | It seems like everytime anyone wants to do something, they
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| 23:33 | they're told to start a new distro.
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| 23:34 | <vagrantc> well, my work on ltsp actually is to get rid of the LTSP distro and integrate it into existing distros ...
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| 23:34 | <Shingoshi> I would also like to see OM run as a kernel module. Just like BSD has linux kernel support as a module.
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| 23:35 | That's preciselly what I am saying!
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| 23:35 | <vagrantc> essentially though, it is the burden of the person with some idea to demonstrate to the skeptics why it would be better.
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| 23:35 | openmosix is likely far too intrusive a patch to make it a module.
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| 23:36 | <Shingoshi> I guess my idea is a problem for distributions which make money from Linux. It would limit their sales potentials.
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| 23:36 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 23:37 | no, your idea needs a *huge* amount of fleshing out and proof of concept before people are going to accept it.
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| 23:37 | <Shingoshi> Well, think of SuSE. Do you think they would support selling less boxes of Linux to their customers.
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| 23:38 | Or Redhat for that matters.
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| 23:38 | I just need to get LTSP running on my system. After that, it's easy!
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| 23:39 | <vagrantc> sure is. :P
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| 23:39 | <Shingoshi> This system is actually Slamd64. The AMD64 version of Slackware.
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| 23:40 | Are the sources for LTSP-5.0 available?
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| 23:40 | I've looked and can't find them.
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| 23:40 | Only 4.2.
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| 23:42 | vagrantc: ^^
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| 23:42 | bbl
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| 23:43 | ok. I was checking my downloads. k12ltsp: four disks coming.
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| 23:43 | <vagrantc> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 23:43 | !topics
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| 23:43 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 23:43 | <Shingoshi> Thank you!
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| 23:43 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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| 23:43 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'pastebot', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', and 'ubuntuquick'
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: learn integration as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 23:44 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> !ltsp5
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| 23:44 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ltsp5" is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. Find out more on wiki.ltsp.org
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| 23:45 | <vagrantc> learn ltsp5 as "ltsp5" is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 23:45 | ltspbot: learn ltsp5 as "ltsp5" is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 23:46 | ltspbot`: learn ltsp5 as "ltsp5" is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 23:46 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 23:46 | <vagrantc> !ltsp5
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| 23:46 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ltsp5" is (#1) The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. Find out more on wiki.ltsp.org, or (#2) ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 23:46 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 23:46 | <Shingoshi> going to check these out now!
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: unlearn ltsp5
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| 23:47 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command.
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: help learn
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| 23:47 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 23:47 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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| 23:48 | <Shingoshi> I forgot I was in the middle of that yesterday before I went to bed! I saw all of these.
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| 23:53 | This fuse project seems essential to what I want to do.
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