IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:29 | <wdg> hi i have a problem with one client. /ltsp/i386/nbi.img ...(ELF) ... a lot of dots are scrolling fast .... and at the end Issuing Reset. Anyone an idea what it can be. Other client are booting fine. txs
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| 07:52 | <elisboa> wdg: is this at the graphical screen or still in text mode?
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| 07:54 | <wdg> elisboa: still in text mode
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| 07:55 | <elisboa> wdg: isn't it a hardware problem?
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| 07:55 | maybe some loosen video card?
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| 07:55 | dusty?
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| 08:07 | <wdg> I don't think if I boot a knoppix cd every hardware is working fine
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| 08:20 | <elisboa> hmm
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| 08:24 | <wdg> same for me hmm
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| 08:57 | <warren> Are we renaming it to be "ldm" instead of "ldm2"?
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| 09:07 | <wdg> if found the issue, I changed the network card and then it was working fine, for some reason ltsp had problems with this card
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| 09:35 | <ogra> warren, there was never a ldm2 in any release, that was a worktitle only ... package and binary are ldm
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| 09:35 | <warren> ogra, do we rename it in configure.ac then?
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| 09:35 | <ogra> (unless yu mean something new i dont know yet)
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| 09:36 | yes, should be ldm ...
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| 09:36 | <warren> ogra, what exactly runs /usr/share/ldm/ldm-script?
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| 09:36 | <ogra> the python and C version never got shipped together ,,,,
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| 09:36 | ltsp-client.init ? not sure
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| 09:39 | ltsp-client-core.init executes /usr/lib/ltsp/screen_session
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| 09:39 | <warren> ogra, our standards reviewer is pointing out that /usr/share/ldm/ldm-script is in violation of FHS
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| 09:40 | ogra, /usr/share is only for data files, not executables
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| 09:40 | <ogra> yeah, should probably be /usr/lib
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| 09:40 | <warren> ogra, by Debian convention it should go into /usr/lib/ldm
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| 09:40 | Red Hat convention /usr/libexec
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| 09:40 | GNU calls it libexecdir
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| 09:40 | <ogra> thats ancient, i cant even remember ever touching it
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| 09:41 | i think we use it like that since the beginning
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| 09:41 | i'll fix the location in ubuntu and notify vagrant
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| 09:42 | <warren> ogra, we should fix it in the upstream makefile
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| 09:42 | ogra, we're also thinking where ldm vs. ldmgreeter should be
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| 09:42 | oh
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| 09:42 | ogra, ldmgtkgreet
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| 09:42 | <ogra> i really dont care :)
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| 09:42 | feell free to reorder to your liking as long as everything works :)
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| 09:43 | <warren> ogra, i'm trying to understand ldm vs ldmgtkgreet
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| 09:43 | <ogra> the upstream makefile is from scottie who is MIA since ages
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| 09:43 | <warren> ogra, if one of those programs are not meant to be launched by users, it should go into libexecdir and not /usr/bin
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| 09:43 | <warren> ogra, who has control over ltsp-upstream-whatever group? I need our peeps added
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| 09:43 | <ogra> ldm is the binary that actually does everything , the greeter only attaches to it as a gui
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| 09:44 | you can replace the greeter by a QT version if you write one
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| 09:44 | warren, dont you read your mail ? :)
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| 09:44 | you, scottie, vagrant and me are admins ....
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| 09:44 | <warren> ogra, how do I edit the group?
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| 09:44 | <ogra> every admin can add people
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| 09:45 | there is a members link on the left (make sure youre logged in)
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| 09:45 | that should get you to a page with more member options
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| 09:45 | <warren> ogra, should we keep /usr/share/ldm/rc.d there or in /usr/lib/ldm along with ldm-script?
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| 09:45 | <ogra> they are not executable
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| 09:45 | but for keeping it clean i think we should move them along
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| 09:46 | <warren> ogra, I'm not sure I have the options listed
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| 09:46 | ogra, what specificially is the option called?
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| 09:46 | ogra, ok, so completely move it over?
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| 09:47 | <ogra> yup, move it as you like
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| 09:47 | <warren> ogra, hmm, we're still discussing it here
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| 09:47 | ogra, because we have the complication of /usr/lib and /usr/lib64
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| 09:47 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+addmember
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| 09:47 | can you get there ?
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| 09:49 | lib64 ?
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| 09:49 | its non-binary scripts arch=all .... why would you put anything like that to lib64
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| 09:50 | <warren> ogra, well /usr/share is wrong even for a non-binary script according to FHS
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| 09:50 | ogra, fine for sourced scripts though (acting like a library)
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| 09:50 | ogra, /usr/share is fine for non-arch dependent libraries
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| 09:51 | <ogra> no, i was referring to: <warren> ogra, because we have the complication of /usr/lib and /usr/lib64
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| 09:51 | <warren> ogra, ok, we're going to have it install into GNU's libexecdir macro
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| 09:51 | ogra, your own distro decides where that goes
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| 09:51 | ogra, on Fedora it will end up in /usr/libexec/ldm/*
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| 09:51 | ogra, on Debian probably /usr/lib/ldm/*
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| 09:52 | <ogra> right
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| 09:52 | as i said, as long as nothing breaks i'm fine with any changes
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| 09:53 | <warren> well, you'll probably need to test it afterward
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| 09:53 | and ltsp-client probably needs to be adjusted to the new location
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| 09:53 | Toshio is currently editing the ldm makefiles stuff
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| 09:53 | <ogra> does ltsp client use the full path ?
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| 09:53 | i thought it just calls ldm
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| 09:53 | <warren> oh
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| 09:54 | hm
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| 09:54 | <warren> I'll check
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| 09:54 | hmm
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| 09:54 | ogra, Edubuntu server-side I see only /usr/bin/ldmgtkgreet but not /usr/bin/ldm
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| 09:54 | <ogra> ldm vt7 should be the default iirc
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| 09:54 | <warren> ogra, should ldm be split into two binary packages?
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| 09:55 | <ogra> yeah, i think scottie put it into sbin, look there
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| 09:55 | <warren> ogra, where is ldm vt7 default defined?
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| 09:55 | I see
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| 09:55 | that isn't in the upstream makefile either
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| 09:55 | <ogra> dont ask me why :)
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| 09:56 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm defines the execution of ldm
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| 09:56 | its currently shipped in ltsp-client iirc
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| 09:56 | vagrant and i already agreed on moving it to ldm
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| 09:57 | <mathesis> As another install window manager for ltsp 5, and which set to be the main manager.
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| 09:58 | <ogra> warren, would be nice if you could do that move alongside if you are working on it anyway
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| 09:59 | <warren> ogra, yeah
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| 09:59 | ogra, doing so
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| 10:00 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 10:00 | <warren> ogra, moving "what" to ldm?
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| 10:00 | <ogra> the ldm screen.d script
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| 10:00 | from the ltsp/client/ tree to the ldm tree
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| 10:02 | <ogra> its actually trunk/client/screen.d/ldm
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| 10:02 | the sdm script should go as well
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| 10:05 | <warren> OK, toshio is moving ldm to ldm-trunk/screen.d/
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| 10:07 | <ogra> thanks
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> make sure thats 'ldm' the screen script and not 'ldm' the binary
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| 10:07 | <ogra> should go to /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ then
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:08 | or 'ldm' the mousepad
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| 10:08 | <warren> ogra, yeah
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| 10:09 | ogra, just remove screen.d/sdm because nobody uses it?
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| 10:09 | * warren has no idea what sdm is. | |
| 10:09 | <ogra> no, it should move into the sdm package
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| 10:09 | smd is ldm in ugly :)
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| 10:09 | *sdm
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| 10:09 | using xdialog as gui
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, you'll be happy to know that Scotty still exists :)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> YAY
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> I talked to him on the phone yesterday
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| 10:10 | <ogra> jammcq, i was starting to worry
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> me too
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| 10:10 | after many many phone calls to his office and his house
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> sure - he lives with the Yeti and the tooth fairy
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| 10:11 | <ogra> Gadi, they share a house ?
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| 10:11 | <warren> what is the sdm package?
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| 10:11 | * ogra didnt know the tooth fairy lived so far north | |
| 10:11 | <jammcq> only in the summer time
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| 10:11 | <warren> OK, we don't actually need sdm?
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| 10:12 | <ogra> warren, the package containing sdm :)
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| 10:12 | <warren> sdm is another greeter for ldm?
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| 10:12 | <ogra> no, we dont
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| 10:12 | <jammcq> he's got a winter place down in Del Boca Vista
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| 10:12 | <ogra> its a display manager using ssh that predates ldm ....
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| 10:12 | written by vagrant
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| 10:12 | <warren> ooh
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| 10:12 | k
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| 10:12 | <ogra> jammcq, lol
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| 10:13 | warren, its great for extremely underpowered clients
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| 10:13 | <warren> ok... we'll package it later.
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| 10:13 | removing it from ltsp/client for now
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| 10:14 | <ogra> vagrant should be notified that he has to include it in sdm now ....
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| 10:14 | <warren> oh ok
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| 10:14 | <ogra> i'll do that if i see him
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| 10:16 | <warren> ogra, bzr://bzr.fedorahosted.org/bzr/k12ltsp/ltsp-fedora
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| 10:16 | ogra, it might be trouble to merge all this back into ltsp-trunk later...
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| 10:16 | ogra, only a small amount of it is not upstream suitable currently
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| 10:18 | <ogra> well, we'll manage to marge it back i think
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| 10:18 | why do you think its trouble ?
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| 10:18 | *merge
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| 10:18 | (it shouldnt be)
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| 10:18 | <warren> ogra, because we aren't able to test that our changes broke debian or not
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| 10:18 | ogra, we moved a few locations as well.
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| 10:19 | <ogra> make sure to pull the latest update from the upstream tree and then just merge it back
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| 10:19 | <warren> we have been
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| 10:19 | <ogra> so just hoot, we'll need to see the breakage to fix it i think :)
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| 10:19 | *shoot
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| 10:20 | i thought you mean the merging will be problematic
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| 10:20 | <warren> merging bits will be easy
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| 10:20 | <ogra> bits ?
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| 10:20 | <warren> making it work for debian will take a small amount of work
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| 10:20 | (bzr merge itself is trivial because i've been keeping in sync with ltsp-trunk)
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| 10:20 | <ogra> right
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| 10:21 | <warren> ogra, you will be happy to hear that mkdst-0.5 removes the rpm spec file before tarball creation
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| 10:21 | * ogra pulls ltsp-fedora .... | |
| 10:21 | <ogra> lets see :)
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| 10:22 | ah, nice
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| 10:22 | as i said, i dont mind it beyond the uglyness ...
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| 10:22 | its just that likely derivatives will want their own spec files
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| 10:22 | <warren> yeah
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| 10:22 | ogra, eventually I'd like to add a Makefile in here so "make install" is all you need
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| 10:23 | ogra, but we're not close to that yet
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| 10:23 | ogra, after things have settled down
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| 10:23 | <ogra> in ltsp ?
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| 10:23 | <warren> ogra, ltsp-trunk/
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| 10:23 | yes
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| 10:23 | <ogra> hmm
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| 10:24 | <warren> ogra, not close to that yet
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| 10:24 | ogra, long after the structure and organization of the source tree has been cleaned up and settled
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| 10:24 | ogra, and we (all distros) agree upon standard locations to install stuff
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| 10:25 | <warren> ogra, another minor change that I will make soon is to make it so ltsp-build-client doesn't need lsb_release -i during runtime. Instead it installs ONLY the plugins it uses within the package meant for a certain distro. I will make that an option for install-time.
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| 10:25 | (so you don't need to do it that way if you don't want to)
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| 10:26 | <ogra> warren, woah
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| 10:26 | <warren> ogra, we need it this way because the same package needs to work on Fedora, RHEL, CentOS, Oracle, whatever
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| 10:26 | <ogra> who in your team had the isea to create 512M big swapfiles
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| 10:26 | *idea
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| 10:26 | thats crazy
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| 10:26 | <warren> ogra, what do you recommend?
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| 10:26 | <ogra> 64 or 128 should suffice
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| 10:27 | <warren> I'll set the default to 128MB
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| 10:27 | <ogra> swapfiles are a safety net only, you dont want to work with that ....
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| 10:27 | <warren> riht
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| 10:27 | right
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| 10:27 | hm
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| 10:27 | ok
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| 10:27 | 64
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| 10:27 | <ogra> its just making sure you dont run out of ram, but if the client swaps over the net you likely can imaginge how snappy that is ;)
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| 10:28 | it slightly works if you create the swapfiles in a tmpfs though :)
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| 10:28 | but that indeed eats server ram
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| 10:28 | <warren> nod
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| 10:29 | 64 is the new default
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| 10:29 | ogra, the thing is, I see this easily supporting diskless workstations
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| 10:29 | ogra, workstations with 2GB of their own RAM
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| 10:29 | but no disks
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| 10:29 | <ogra> i booted 28M clients here with early mounted swapfile from the servers tmpfs ... it was workable
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| 10:29 | right
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| 10:29 | thats longstanding plan i have
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| 10:30 | the prob for me in ubuntu is that we dont have such nifty auth servers like you guys do yet :)
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| 10:30 | <warren> 512MB network swap might be a safety net only in that case.
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| 10:30 | <ogra> so network auth which is needed here becomes a PITA
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| 10:30 | yeah
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| 10:30 | for taht its fine
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| 10:30 | so you can still save your work and the machine doesnt hardlock
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| 10:31 | whats server/ltsp-swapfile-delete ??
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| 10:31 | tcpd should care for that
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| 10:32 | <ogra> urgh
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| 10:32 | your dhcpd.conf is da horror
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| 10:32 | <warren> ogra, K12LTSP has been using that by default for years
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| 10:32 | ogra, all sorts of things JUST WORK
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| 10:32 | <ogra> (thats exactly the reason we dont use the default one in ubuntu ;))
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| 10:32 | <warren> ogra, do you see a problem with this one?
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| 10:33 | or rather, what is the problem with this one?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> well, with mine as well, but its only a quater of the size
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| 10:33 | aned a lot less confusing
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| 10:33 | <warren> ogra, regarding ltsp-swapfile-delete, one of our reviewers patrice suggested it, I think we'll remove it after we confirm it isn't needed.
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| 10:33 | ogra, ours is heavily tested and functional though
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| 10:33 | <ogra> no problem, its just full and complex
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| 10:34 | <jammcq> and beautiful
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> busty
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| 10:34 | :)
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| 10:34 | <ogra> i want a home user to understand the file ...
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| 10:34 | admins know where to look for options
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> home users can't even spell dhcp
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| 10:35 | <ogra> right
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| 10:35 | so as easy as it gets should be the motto :)
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| 10:36 | <ogra> but hey, thats up to you what you ship :)
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| 10:36 | <warren> We can add more comments to it
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| 10:36 | Or we can simply put multiple examples dhcpd.conf files in there
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| 10:36 | and let the user choose
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| 10:36 | but this particular one will be our default
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| 10:36 | because stuff just works
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| 10:36 | <ogra> - for file in $(run-parts --list $DIR); do
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| 10:36 | + # Red Hat's run-parts lacks --list
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| 10:36 | + for file in $(run_parts --list $DIR); do
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| 10:36 | funny change ...
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| 10:36 | any solution here ?
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| 10:37 | <warren> ogra, vagrant said he would add a better hack to ltsp-trunk
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| 10:37 | <ogra> ah, cool
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| 10:37 | <warren> ogra, that particular one was written by vagrant, he said it works but needs improvement
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| 10:38 | <ogra> ah, right, i see he fixed it in server/plugins/functions with an override
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| 10:39 | warren, i diffed v499 to v525 and cant find any issues ....
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| 10:40 | <warren> ogra, ok
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| 10:40 | <ogra> great to see we have an xinetd file now :)
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| 10:40 | <warren> ogra, I changed the location of a few files, minor changes in your package install
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| 10:40 | * ogra never cared for that since ubuntu cant ship it with the current licencing | |
| 10:41 | <warren> I dunno the details of that. I just use what we hav.e
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| 10:42 | <ogra> well, xinetd cant be modified without restrictions or so ... i dont know the details either, i just know debian and ubuntu dont allow it on tehir CDs
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| 10:44 | <warren> ogra, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing our extensive license matrix
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| 10:44 | ogra, FSF considers xinetd free but it isn't compatible with GPL
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| 10:45 | <ogra> right
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| 10:45 | <warren> ogra, we've been actively ripping out things that FSF says are not free
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| 10:45 | ogra, I guess Debian's "free" is different from FSF slightly?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> google says the livcense enforces a versioning scheme
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| 10:45 | <warren> ogra, only by trademark though?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> thats against debian free licensing policy
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| 10:46 | <warren> ogra, FSF and Fedora's "free" definition doesn't mind trademark based enforcement
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| 10:46 | <ogra> dont start about trademarks :)
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| 10:46 | <warren> I know =)
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| 10:46 | * ogra remembers the iceweasle vs. firefox is in ubuntu OMG discussions | |
| 10:46 | <warren> RHEL is shipping a weird different name of firefox
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| 10:47 | <ogra> why dont you just make an agreement with the mozilla people ?
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| 10:47 | <warren> we made lots of arguments =)
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| 10:47 | <ogra> since xulrunner i think firefox will die at some point anyway
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| 10:48 | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LightBrowser/
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| 10:48 | <ogra> i worte that in an afternoon
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| 10:48 | every light skilled programmer with some javascript knowledge can write his own browser with xulrunner
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| 10:49 | so who cares about trademarks, in two years there might be no firefox anymore :)
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| 10:52 | <warren> going to a meeting
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| 10:52 | bbl
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> warren: hey, i noticed the way you merged the change i made to mkdst, it actually over-wrote the revision history ...
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| 11:29 | * vagrantc wishes the default behavior was --append-revisions-only | |
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| 12:08 | <ogra> vagrantc, ouch
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's kind of a pain to set this stuff on launchpad ... i've got to use sftp ...
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| 12:09 | <ogra> vagrantc, warren removed the ldm and sdm screen.d scripts from the ltsp tree (we discussed that before)
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: i just saw sdm
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| 12:10 | er
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| 12:10 | ldm
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| 12:10 | <ogra> the ldm script moved to the ldm code, you need to do the same for sdm i think
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> that's going to be harder
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| 12:10 | <ogra> why ?
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> because the sdm maintainer is essentially MIA
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| 12:10 | <ogra> oh
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> more like zombied
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| 12:10 | <ogra> well, NMU it :)
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> i.e. they won't step down, but are pipe up just often enough to not be totally MIA
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| 12:12 | <ogra> did you take a look at warrens changes ?
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| 12:12 | i diffed revision 499 to 525 and idnt find any significant blocker
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| 12:12 | *didnt
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: i've been watching them ... i'm also subscribed to all the -trunk branches
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| 12:13 | <ogra> imho its ok for merging as it is
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> ok for merging into what?
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| 12:13 | <ogra> (i'll ship my dhcpd.conf from debian/ though
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| 12:13 | trunk
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> i thought he was committing directly to trunk ... ?
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| 12:14 | <ogra> he showed me his working branch today
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> ah, that i haven't seen
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| 12:14 | <ogra> bzr://bzr.fedorahosted.org/bzr/k12ltsp/ltsp-fedora
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: i keep forgetting if i've asked you already ... do you have any issues with splitting ltsp-client-builder into a separate source package? it would be helpful for debian, at least.
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| 13:23 | <mathesis_ltsp> vagrantc: i have up ltsp
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| 13:23 | i have proble with thin-clients
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| 13:32 | <mathesis_ltsp> hi otavio
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| 13:32 | i need help for configurar X and wm in thin clients
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| 13:32 | its run in tty
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> mathesis: you're not getting X ?
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| 14:02 | <sysadmin> hi vagrantc
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| 14:02 | <mathesis_ltsp> hi vagrantc
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| 14:03 | how can i set ldm for default?
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> mathesis: it should be the default
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| 14:04 | <mathesis_ltsp> i do not run for defaul
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> mathesis: you would have to change something for it not to be the default
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| 14:04 | <mathesis_ltsp> start in tty
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> mathesis: so X is not working?
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| 14:04 | <mathesis_ltsp> yes
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| 14:05 | whet i do command "X"
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| 14:05 | its run
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| 14:05 | its not run kde
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| 14:05 | only "X"
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> yes, that's expected ...
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| 14:06 | <mathesis_ltsp> i want start with ldm
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| 14:06 | how can reconfigure /opt/ltsp/
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> mathesis: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | egrep ^ii
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| 14:07 | mathesis: please paste that to the pastebot:
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| 14:07 | !pastebot
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| 14:07 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:08 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis_ltsp" pasted "ServerCG:/home/sysadmin# dpkg" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/416
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: can you try with the newer versions of the ltsp packages ?
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| 14:10 | <mathesis_ltsp> ltsp-build-client \ --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" \ --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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| 14:10 | only want ldm for start
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: you'll need to get newer ltsp packages , probably need to do: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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| 14:12 | <mathesis_ltsp> in chroot?
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: no
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| 14:12 | i will say when you need to do something in the chroot
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| 14:13 | <mathesis_ltsp> the error when for install xdebconfigurtor
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| 14:13 | in other server run perfect ldm
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| 14:13 | and run e16
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> it would be useful to tell me that you had an error at the beginning :P
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| 14:13 | <mathesis_ltsp> in its run in tty
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> what's the error message?
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| 14:13 | <mathesis_ltsp> no error
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| 14:13 | no start in ldm
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| 14:14 | startx in tty
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by "the error when for install xdebconfigurtor" ?
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| 14:14 | <mathesis_ltsp> set 0
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| 14:14 | set 0
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| 14:14 | set 0
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| 14:14 | set 0
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> anything else?
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| 14:15 | <mathesis_ltsp> how can set defaul ldm
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: the problem has nothing to do with ldm being default, the problem is the X failed to configure
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| 14:16 | <mathesis_ltsp> Display Manager ldm no start
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| 14:16 | if i run command startx its start
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: what do you mean: "run command startx"
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| 14:17 | mathesis_ltsp: do you mean the screen script, or the command?
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| 14:17 | * vagrantc finds the "startx" screen script to be all kinds of confusing | |
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| 14:17 | <mathesis_ltsp> wait
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| 14:17 | * stillflame waves back. | |
| 14:18 | <mathesis_ltsp> if upgrade i need config other new?
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: can you post your lts.conf to the pastebot?
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| 14:19 | !pastebot
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| 14:19 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:19 | <mathesis_ltsp> ok
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| 14:19 | what /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ ?
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| 14:19 | <stillflame> so i'm installing ltsp under debian etch for the purpose of having a diskless lab. extra steps: configure /etc/exports, install and configure dhcp3-server, configure /etc/default/tftpd-hpa. anything else i'm missing? it may be the client i'm attaching with, but tftp fails to load the kernel.
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: yes.
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| 14:20 | <mathesis_ltsp> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 14:20 | or
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> stillflame: shouldn't need to configure tftpd-hpa
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| 14:20 | <mathesis_ltsp> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 14:20 | <stillflame> no? i had to turn it on before it got any tftp connection.
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> stillflame: by default, it should run from inetd
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| 14:21 | stillflame: i've never had to do anything other than install it
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| 14:21 | <ltsppbot> "mathesis_ltsp" pasted "GNU nano 2.0.2 Fichero: lts.co" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/417
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| 14:21 | <stillflame> hmm
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: change SCREEN_nn to SCREEN_07
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| 14:22 | mathesis_ltsp: or comment it out
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| 14:22 | mathesis_ltsp: it's the default.
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| 14:23 | mathesis_ltsp: you can also comment out the second X_COLOR_DEPTH
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| 14:23 | mathesis_ltsp: since it's already defined in [default]
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| 14:23 | mathesis_ltsp: but it's probably ok to leave that in, if you want.
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| 14:24 | mathesis_ltsp: is your server different from your LTSP server?
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| 14:24 | mathesis_ltsp: or, is your LDM server different from your NFS server?
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: i would also comment out all your X_MOUSE*
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| 14:25 | mathesis_ltsp: or is it a serial mouse?
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| 14:27 | <mathesis_ltsp> is usb
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| 14:27 | an ps2
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: definitely commend out X_MOUSE* then
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| 14:28 | <mathesis_ltsp> yes run
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| 14:28 | delete X_MOUSE
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> mathesis_ltsp: i would recommend only adding options that you need to the configuration file
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| 14:28 | mathesis_ltsp: do them one at a time
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| 14:31 | <mathesis_ltsp> thanks vagrantc
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| 14:41 | <mathesis_ltsp> thanks you vagrantc
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| 14:41 | bye
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| 14:56 | <stillflame> well, i've tried 3 different terminals with the same results: "configuration file not found" looking for pxelinux.cfg/default. the file's there, though. another symptom is that it takes 5 minutes to look for the configuration files (as it searches all the possible mac address files). i'm just using a crossover cable for networking...
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| 14:57 | vagrantc: and you were right, i just had to have restarted inetd
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> stillflame: ah yes. trusy openbsd-inetd :)
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| 16:27 | <warren> ogra, vagrantc: around?
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| 16:27 | ogra, vagrantc: do you know automake?
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| 16:27 | Toshio made changes to ldm-trunk that were correct (moving ldm-script into libexecdir) but he forgot one part.
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> warren: not so savvy with automake
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| 16:28 | <warren> He made correct changes with one exception
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| 16:28 | on redhat it should be installed in /usr/libexec/ldm/
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| 16:28 | on your system it should be /usr/lib/ldm/
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| 16:29 | but he forgot the /ldm/ part
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> so it's just going right into /usr/libexec or /usr/lib ?
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| 16:29 | <warren> that's how it is currently
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| 16:30 | but we want a /ldm/ added at the end
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> right
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| 16:30 | <warren> do you want it there as well?
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| 16:30 | * vagrantc looks at the code | |
| 16:30 | <vagrantc> definitely woudl like it in /usr/lib/ldm ...
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| 16:31 | * warren sees if he can figure out automake syntax... | |
| 16:31 | <vagrantc> i played with it a little recently ...
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| 16:31 | so i'll look at it
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| 16:32 | <warren> vagrantc, see if debian auto sets libexecdir to /usr/lib
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| 16:32 | vagrantc, I have no idea where the distro gets those locations from
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| 16:33 | vagrantc, we're going to eat soon, I'll be back soon, gotta make a few changes after /ldm/ is added after libexecdir
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> warren: hrm. it seems to have done nothing at all. it's still ending up in bin
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| 16:35 | /usr/bin
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| 16:35 | <warren> vagrantc, ldm-script?
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| 16:35 | vagrantc, ldm-script was previously in /usr/share/ldm for both debian and us.
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| 16:35 | prior to his changes
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> oh, ldm-script ends up in /usr/share/ldm
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| 16:36 | <warren> eh!?
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| 16:36 | mm
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> i was expecting the package build to break
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| 16:36 | <warren> libexecdir macro on debian is setting that?
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| 16:36 | vagrantc, you sure you pulled down to revision 786?
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> 786
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| 16:37 | <warren> vagrantc, can you find where that macro is defined in debian?
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> no idea where to even look
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| 16:38 | ah.
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| 16:39 | we're only using make to build the binaries, we're not actually doing a make install
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| 16:41 | <warren> oh!
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| 16:41 | no wonder the make install wasn't usable at first =)
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 16:42 | sorry about that
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| 16:43 | <warren> maintainer-clean also didn't work
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| 16:43 | doesn't
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| 16:43 | (get rid of everything ./autogen.sh created)
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| 16:45 | vagrantc, ok... we'll fix it for ourselves
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| 16:45 | I wonder what happened to scotty
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| 16:45 | * vagrantc misses scotty a bit | |
| 16:47 | <Q-FUNK> where is scotty, actuallly?
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> last we heard in a cabin somewhere's without much network access
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| 16:48 | <Q-FUNK> oh
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| 16:48 | taking time off?
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| 17:27 | <markvandenborre> I"ve noticed that people seem to be having problems
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| 17:27 | logging out of the system sometimes
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| 17:28 | and some undead processes seem to stick around
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| 17:29 | where do you people look to prevent most of this? and how do you manage what is still left?
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| 17:30 | I imagine that doesn't happen manually
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| 17:30 | <markvandenborre> or by killing all firefox/whatever processes daily
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| 17:33 | <tarzeau> markvandenborre: kill all hanging stuff at logout
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| 17:33 | gconf, arts, firefox are such processes
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| 17:38 | <markvandenborre> tarzeau: what would be the best way to do so?
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| 17:38 | (how do I configure that?)
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| 17:45 | <tarzeau> you use ldm?
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| 17:46 | <markvandenborre> yup
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| 17:48 | ah, I do bypass encryption, changed that setting
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| 17:48 | to improve performance
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| 17:59 | <lns_> Ok, just installed Ubuntu Gutsy w/LTSP - My thin clients are getting to LDM but getting stuck at "Verifying password..." - any quick fixes?
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| 17:59 | This is the first time it's done this out of 3 installs at different sites (all the same hardware/software, even thin clients)
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| 18:00 | It eventually just kicks me back to the LDM username screen, but without errors or anything.
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| 18:05 | I've done the normal ltsp-update-*
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| 18:09 | ugh
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| 18:13 | yikes, this is in messages: ltsp: No dsa key found for 10.31.32.10, please configure your ssh server correctly
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| 18:14 | <sutula> lns: Sounds like a good clue
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| 18:14 | <lns_> I installed ltsp-server, not ltsp-server-standalone (as we have a windows dhcp server on-site already) - is this a bug? openssh-server isn't installed
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| 18:15 | is that still a required step, to install openssh-server manually for ltsp-server ?
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| 18:15 | brb gonna try now that i installed openssh-server
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| 18:15 | <sutula> lns: Perhaps depends on which version...the wiki says to install it but I see it as a depends in lenny
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| 18:16 | <ari_stress> morning all :D
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| 18:17 | <lns_> evening, ari_stress ;)
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> lns_: if you only install ltsp-server, you only get the bare-bones NFS and tftp services
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| 18:19 | lns_: the rest is up to you to configure
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| 18:25 | <ari_stress> lns_: if you use ubuntu, there's a package called ltsp-server-standalone which provides a full-blown ltsp server :D
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> lns_: you could install ltsp-server-standalone, and then disable dhcp3-server
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