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Channel log from 3 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:48 | <ltsphelp> can anyone help with edubuntu and thin-clients not logging in?
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| 02:16 | <loginhelp> ?
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| 02:46 | <loginhelp> anyone? really need help getting the thin-clients to authenticate
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| 02:47 | <cyberorg> loginhelp, what error?
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| 02:49 | <loginhelp> this is from the auth.log
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| 02:49 | sshd[5729]: pam_lwidentify(sshd:auth) PAM config: global:krb5_ccache_type 'FILE'
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| 02:49 | sshd[5729]: pam_lwidentify(sshd:auth): failed to get GP info
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| 02:49 | sshd[5729]: pam_lwidentify(sshd:auth): getting password (0x00000000)
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| 02:49 | sshd[5729]: pam_lwidentify(sshd:auth): request failed
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| 02:49 | sshd[5729]: pam_lwidentify(sshd:auth): User 'xxx' is not known
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| 02:50 | <cyberorg> what kind of authentication are you using?
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| 02:51 | <cyberorg> try ssh user@serverip from another PC
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| 02:56 | <loginhelp> on the server itself it connects and from another computer using terminal. but it asks about some rsa key
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| 02:56 | The authenticity of host '192.168.1.11 (192.168.1.11)' can't be established.
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| 02:56 | RSA key fingerprint is 26:24:40:d9:cd:27:8f:dc:d6:e6:41:7e:b9:ce:96:21.
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| 02:56 | but it logs in after accepting
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| 03:00 | <cyberorg> loginhelp, ltsp-update-sshkeys and rebuild image
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| 03:01 | <ltsphelp> yes. done. but still cannot login.
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| 03:01 | *from the thin-client
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| 03:16 | <edubuntuhelp> sorry. dc.
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| 03:17 | i ssh-update-image
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| 03:17 | it gave me this
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| 03:18 | Info: port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf
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| 03:18 | Info: taking no action
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| 04:53 | <Silvergti> hello
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| 04:53 | need some help
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| 04:54 | i got thin clients that stop booting...
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| 04:54 | it gives me a blinking cursor
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| 04:55 | can someone help me?
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| 05:54 | <edubuntuhelp> i'm still trying to figure out how to get it to log on. maybe you can check your server if its still running
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| 06:01 | <Silvergti> u talking with me?
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| 06:02 | <DarKnesS_WolF> Silvergti: it did happen with me but there was another DHCP server which was not giving a TFTP root
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| 06:02 | check from which DHCP they are getting the info .
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| 06:02 | <Silvergti> i only have one dhcp
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| 06:03 | and they get the image from tftp
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| 06:03 | but when it should give the login screen, it gives a blinking cursor
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| 06:03 | i can loggin on server via ssh
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| 06:04 | i really aprecciate any help, it's a production server
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| 06:10 | "*Setting up LTSP client....
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| 06:10 | Disconnecting: que, disconnect, sock, done
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| 06:10 | Negotiation: Error: Server closed connection"
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| 06:10 | ...and blinking cursor
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| 06:47 | <maginot> morning.
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| 06:48 | <Silvergti> hi
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| 07:20 | <maginot> where are the localization packages for firefox? My chroot firefox is in English, my server firefox is Portuguese... I tryed to use the same apt repo but them it says the firefox is broken ...
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> maginot: Ubuntu, right? What does this give you? cat /etc/default/locale /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale
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| 07:25 | <maginot> alkisg, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale doesn't exist but I have put the same that is on /etc/default/locale in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/profile
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| 07:25 | LANG="pt_BR.UTF-8"
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| 07:25 | LANGUAGE="pt_BR:pt:en"
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> maginot: 8.10 installation with the desktop cd?
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| 07:26 | <maginot> yep
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> OK, a friend of mine had the same problem...
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| 07:26 | You need to do ltsp-update-image to get the language settings right, but I don't know if you have to install some firefox locales or what...
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| 07:27 | <maginot> before on 7.10 and I think that in 8.04 I have pt_br localization packages for firefox... now I cant seen to find them
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| 07:27 | ltsp-update-image just seting the locale variables doesnt work
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| 07:27 | I think I have to install some lang package
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> My friend saw greek interface in firefox only by changing this file and doing ltsp-update-image.... that's what I'm reporting, don't know any more details.
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| 07:29 | <maginot> Hmmm
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| 07:29 | well, I copied locale to chroot location
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| 07:29 | I will give a try now
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| 07:41 | <csaba_> hi
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| 07:42 | may I ask for some advice?
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| 07:42 | <maginot> just ask =)
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| 07:42 | <csaba_> well, I have deployed an LTSP setup in a high school
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| 07:42 | with 1 server and 22 clients
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| 07:43 | using ubuntu
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| 07:43 | <maginot> what ubuntu version ?
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| 07:43 | <csaba_> now I would like to add more servers and clients
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| 07:43 | and would like to keep the management centralized
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| 07:43 | it is ubuntu 8.04 lternate Cd
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| 07:44 | what is the best approach?
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| 07:44 | <maginot> that depends of what you have in mind ... are you trying to have all users in just one server?
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| 07:44 | <csaba_> I want users and home dirs be accessible from any client
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| 07:45 | no, I said I want to add more servers
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| 07:45 | so that they share the load
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| 07:45 | <maginot> Hmm
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| 07:45 | <csaba_> it already works with one server-to 22 clients
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| 07:46 | any ideas?
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| 07:47 | <maginot> you know, I have the same question, sparing the load trhough multple servers
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| 07:47 | I know that you can have several servers each with its own dhcp and serving for the clients that are added in dhcpd.conf
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| 07:48 | lets see if some of the experts here have anyidea
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| 07:49 | <cyberorg> maginot, ltsp already supports load balancing via get_hosts script, see documentation in the topic
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| 07:50 | <maginot> thanks. =)
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| 07:50 | <cyberorg> you need shared /home and openLDAP server
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| 07:50 | <maginot> I imagine that
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| 07:50 | cyberorg, there is any need of both servers be using the same ubuntu version ?
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| 07:50 | <cyberorg> here is how it works on opensuse http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Cluster
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| 07:51 | maginot, no
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| 07:51 | <maginot> so basicly is a nfs /home share and a openldap sharing the information
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| 07:51 | <cyberorg> but users will not get same experience when they log into another/older version
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| 07:51 | may be their settings could get messed up
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| 07:52 | <maginot> I see...
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| 07:52 | <cyberorg> this is in pipeline http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Fatclient/Cluster, diskless cluster nodes ;)
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| 07:52 | <maginot> alkisg, just updating default locale in chroot didnt solved.. I will look a workaround
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| 07:53 | <cyberorg> maginot, very simple load balancing can be done with LDM_SERVER variable in lts.conf
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| 07:53 | <maginot> I was going to research that, but since csaba_ come with the question ...
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| 07:53 | Hmm
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| 07:54 | I confess that I did not read all the manual yet, hope to finish this weekend
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| 07:54 | but, thanks... Im looking the links now
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| 07:55 | I have two servers here, I was thinking about using the older for something else, but maybe its a good oportunite to make a load balance... I think it good to backup too
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| 07:55 | <cyberorg> start with this first http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 07:56 | <maginot> yes, I've print the pdf version
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| 07:56 | <csaba_> wow, sounds interesting
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| 07:56 | many thanks , i will look into it
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| 07:57 | is there a step-by-step like paper on this
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| 07:57 | perhaps with only the major steps
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| 07:59 | <cyberorg> csaba_, last link above ^^
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| 07:59 | <csaba_> oh, sorry
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| 07:59 | <maginot> the manual is pretty short, you can read all in one afternoon =)
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| 07:59 | <Silvergti> hello maginot
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| 08:00 | ur portuguese?
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| 08:00 | <maginot> yep
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| 08:00 | <Silvergti> eu tb
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| 08:01 | <maginot> bom saber. mas é melhor manter as conversações sobre o LTSP em inglês. ;)
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| 08:01 | <Silvergti> sure!
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| 08:01 | ;)
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| 08:44 | <maginot> alkisg, copyng /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/chrome folder to the chroot solved the language problem. =)
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| 09:43 | <maginot> what is spected to happen when using for example LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEM = firefox ?
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| 09:50 | <stgraber> if you have: LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True
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| 09:51 | and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = firefox
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| 09:51 | (not ITEM, ITEMS)
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| 09:51 | and have firefox installed in your chroot
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| 09:51 | and a recent enough LTSP with localapps activated, your firefox in your menu will be a local one instead of a remote one
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| 09:57 | <bud313> stgraber, Does LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True work with kiwi-ltsp? Also do you put that in the lts.conf?
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| 09:59 | <cyberorg> bud313, it should, if it does not there is a bug somewhere, after all LTSP is exactly same on all distros
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| 10:00 | <bud313> cyberorg, Awesome I will try it right now.
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| 10:00 | <cyberorg> bud313, you wont have to install firefox, it is already installed and you should have all plugins available too :)
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| 10:01 | bud313, you can add note to this http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps after your test
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| 10:13 | <cyberorg> bud313, how much download remaining?
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| 10:25 | <bud313> cyberorg, I am at 87%
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| 10:33 | <benste> during installation with ubuntu alternate CD (LTSP server) I got an error saying that I have to config manually the devices DHCP should listen on eth0, how should I modify /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to do so?
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| 10:34 | ?
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| 10:39 | <bud313> benste, I don't have enough knowledge to help you directly but does this page help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=943518
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| 10:41 | <benste> bud313 I'll try when I get back my GUI :-)
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| 10:42 | <bud313> I know typically when I have a problem when setting up a dhcp server it is just that their isn't a network face setup with the correct ip addresss. Then I just configure one and restart dhcp
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> benste: you only have 1 nic? the alternate cd assumes you have 2 nics...
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| 10:43 | <benste> alkisg I use only one NIC - cause I'm runinng all in a VM
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| 10:44 | i remeber from previous version that I just had to insert one line somthing with listen on eth0
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| 10:44 | <maginot> stgraber, I have everything you said ... but starting from menu is not loading localy ...
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> benste: no, you just have to use a static ip and ensure that the dhcp ranges in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf are within this ip subnet
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| 10:45 | benste: but you could also use 2 nics in the vm and everything would be done automatically...
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| 10:45 | <benste> it wasn't auto configured in 8.10 using one eth0 and wlan0
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| 10:46 | but hold on a minute, I'm just trying to get my GUI back :-)
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> I think wlan doesn't count, it needs two ethX... k
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| 11:31 | <benste> alkisg: got it in the forum:
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| 11:31 | # On what interfaces should the DHCP server (dhcpd) serve DHCP requests? # Separate multiple interfaces with spaces, e.g. "eth0 eth1". INTERFACES="eth0"
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| 11:31 | is necaesarry :-)
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| 11:31 | cya
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> Yeah, ok, too late for him to listen that this is wrong...
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| 11:32 | <ogra> hooray forums
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| 11:32 | :/
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| 14:57 | * vagrantc will be tagging ltspfs-trunk shortly | |
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> although i noticed some uncommitted code i had lying around ... hmmm... maybe not.
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| 15:08 | * Gadi waves to vagrantc | |
| 15:08 | <vagrantc> Gadi: finally getting around to hopefully uploading your last ltspfs commits to debian :)
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> great!
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> just gotta test my one patch, and then i'll upload.
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| 15:08 | Gadi: though it still doesn't work properly with localmounts and cdpinger
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> hey, do you have any LTSP servers out there running in VMs?
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| 15:09 | serving up to real users?
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> Gadi: only on VMs
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| 15:09 | all xen, for the real users
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> any limitations imposed by the VM that may cap the number of users?
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| 15:09 | * vagrantc was hoping to upgrade those to virtual users as well, someday | |
| 15:10 | <vagrantc> Gadi: not that i'm aware of
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> I know that, for example, vmware server can only use 2 CPUs
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| 15:10 | and others have limits on network throughput
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> i use all xen, virtualbox, and occasionally qemu ... all of which don't tend to put arbitrary limits on things.
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> its not software limits I am worried about
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| 15:12 | it is technical limits of the VM engine
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> xen doesn't have a limit on CPUs, for sure. you can even specify more virtual CPUs than you actually have.
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> in other words, don't use a VM that sees only 2 CPU cores on a quad-core Xeon
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| 15:12 | :)
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> if you've got a quad-core xeon, my guess is KVM would be your best bet, though i haven't tried it.
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| 15:14 | since we don't get much, if any hardware that has the in-hardware virtualization support
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> yeah - unfortunately, the tools for the lay-admin are lacking
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| 15:16 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "one last ltspfs patch before upload, hopefully" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/297
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> Gadi: how's that look to you? ^^
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| 15:16 | Gadi: i'm very happy with xen
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| 15:17 | but maybe the tools for it aren't the sort of tools you're looking for
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> 1st: code looks good and definitely shorter
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| 15:19 | I would keep some comments, tho
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| 15:19 | just so we know what we're doing there
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> i tried to keep the comments, but i guess i didn't keep enough
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> 2nd: with the VM stuff, I'm looking for something easy to administer and easy to teach others to administer
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> Gadi: 2nd: namely, GUI interfaces?
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> gui helps
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| 15:21 | but easy cli is ok
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: suggestions for improving the comments?
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> I guess those comments are good
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| 15:24 | go for it
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> tagged and pushed ltspfs 0.5.11 ...
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> vagrantc: was it only cdpinger that it didn't like? were floppies and USB ok?
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| 15:57 | * Gadi forgets already | |
| 15:57 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> Gadi: didn't test USB or floppies
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| 15:57 | i may have tested at some point
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> oh
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> but forget also
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| 15:57 | i'll test after i upload, since it's a non-default feature anyways.
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> great
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| 15:58 | maybe we can fix it then, too
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| 15:58 | * vagrantc loves uploading 3 new upstream versions in a single day | |
| 15:58 | * Gadi noticed a lot of tagging | |
| 15:59 | <Gadi> have there been changes between these tags?
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| 15:59 | or are they only for pkging purposes?
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> Ryan52 did a bunch of minimal to non-changes
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| 16:00 | i also did a tag of ltsp that only really added a single language translation
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| 16:00 | did rounds of translation updates for ldm and ltsp
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> and finally got cyberorg's patches in upstream
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| 16:01 | the NOMAD stuff
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> ah
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> but overall, everything has been pretty stable.
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> that means we aren't doing our job
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| 16:03 | :(
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> pfft
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> I guess thats why we need a hackfest
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| 16:03 | :)
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> it's working too well- quick, let's break things!
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> the way of the world, my friend
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| 16:06 | <Lns> stupid stable software, nothing to point your finger at
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| 16:07 | * vagrantc suspects there are pleny of bugs in ltsp | |
| 16:10 | <Lns> See that's microsoft's whole thing! fix stuff, then break stuff. Sell the broken stuff, get people to complain, release SP1.
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| 16:10 | I think we should adopt that marketing plan
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> seem to be experiencing problems with remote pulseaudio in debian/testing ...
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| 18:39 | just booted a thin client on squeeze and it started squealing horrendously
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| 18:39 | <Ryan52> my laptop does that for all sound since I dist-upgraded :( (I only do that every few months, tho)
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> i noticed that sound wasn't working in virtualbox ...
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| 18:39 | <Ryan52> so maybe it's unrelated.
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| 18:40 | * vagrantc tries the same setup with lenny | |
| 18:41 | <Ryan52> but at least the server part works...my (other) squeezish server is plugged into my speakers, and my fedora system plays music through it.
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| 18:41 | and I copied and pasted the pulse audio command directly from ltsp's source ;)
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> there were some fairly recent changes added to the pulseaudio commandline options ... not sure if it's related or not.
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| 18:46 | always a good idea to test with real hardware ...
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| 18:57 | hrm. well the squealing sounds still happen with ltsp 5.1.64 on lenny ...
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| 18:57 | * vagrantc looks up the changes ... | |
| 18:59 | * vagrantc wonders if it is ltsp-trunk 1142 ... | |
| 19:01 | <vagrantc> might also be the recent changes with the dynamic volume setting code ...
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| 19:01 | even kicks in with SOUND=False
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| 19:10 | seems to be setting all channels to 90% volume is the culprit
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| 19:10 | setting VOLUME=10 worked without squeal
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| 19:11 | ah, it's the MIC channel.
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| 19:13 | * Ryan52 thinks that that should default to zero.. | |
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| 19:15 | <jammcq> hola #ltsp
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| 21:31 | <alex87_> hey guys, i'd like to have my mother's computer run as a thin client using my computer as the server, is it possible to do this without my computer running a dhcp server?
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| 21:35 | <ibmanoj> how to do ltsp5 on debian5.0 lenny without internet connection?
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| 21:36 | when i try to run
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| 21:36 | ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
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| 21:36 | it gives the following error:
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| 21:36 | NOTE: adding default dist and components to security mirror:
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| 21:36 | http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
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| 21:36 | I: Retrieving Release
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| 21:36 | I: Retrieving Release.gpg
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| 21:36 | E: Failed getting release signature file file:///cdrom/dists/lenny/Release.gpg
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| 21:36 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 21:36 | pls reply
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| 21:37 | regards
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| 21:37 | manoj kumar.i.b.
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| 21:44 | <ibmanoj> pls reply
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> ibmanoj: you made a post to ltsp-discuss? i'm replying to one now.
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| 21:57 | <ibmanoj> thank u sir
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| 21:58 | <vagrantc> ibmanoj: i prefer to keep all discussions public, so that others can benefit from the content
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| 21:59 | <ibmanoj> ok,new to irc
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| 22:23 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: would it be horrible for us to put a debian mirror in all of the pkg-ltsp debian/watch files?
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| 22:24 | * Ryan52 doesn't like the "upstream found version is lower than version in unstable (a bug in the watch file?)" | |
| 22:26 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: it won't work anyways
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| 22:27 | Ryan52: well, it will work from the commandline, but not for DEHS
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| 22:27 | * vagrantc is using a thin client to fsck an external USB drive ... | |
| 22:28 | <Ryan52> what about DDPO?
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| 22:28 | or will it completely break DEHS?
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: what's DDPO ? :)
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| 22:30 | <Ryan52> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> i believe that just polls DEHS
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| 22:30 | Ryan52: what i've noticed is that even when fedora or ubuntu has a newer version, DEHS just grabs the first one it finds.
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| 22:31 | * vagrantc still pines for an upstream upload location | |
| 22:32 | * Ryan52 would like that very much | |
| 22:32 | * Ryan52 thinks that it could even be automated from when the repo is tagged.. | |
| 22:32 | <Ryan52> or we could make something like "sf.net" or githubredir.debian.net...tho that's overkill for us :)
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: something that polls the various *-trunk branches, and puts up a URL that we can grab wouldn't be too difficult.
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| 22:33 | Ryan52: i've filed bugs to be able to do that with launchpad
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| 22:34 | hrm. the ltspfs local mounting still behaves wonky.
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| 22:35 | * vagrantc suspects some race condition | |
| 22:35 | <Ryan52> it also wouldn't be too difficult to just make a place for upstream tarballs ;)
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| 22:35 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: well, fedora doesn't even use tarballs, does it?
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| 22:35 | <Ryan52> yes it does.
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| 22:36 | bzip2, but ya.
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| 22:36 | * vagrantc wonders why warren gave me a url to a different location | |
| 22:37 | <vagrantc> it at least gives me the ability to poll, but didn't have a tarball that i could look at.
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| 22:37 | maybe the tarball is buried inside a .srpm or something?
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| 22:38 | <Ryan52> until you're allowed to use format 3.0 it doesn't really matter, does it?
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: makes it hard to give it a URL for uscan
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| 22:39 | <Ryan52> hm. lemme check where it's downloadable from.
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| 22:39 | there's makefile targets that automate this all, so I don't pay much attention to it ;)
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| 22:41 | * vagrantc ponders uploading ltspfs 0.5.11-2 to experimental to resolve the one outstanding bug: http://bugs.debian.org/454478 | |
| 22:41 | <vagrantc> well, the one reported bug ...
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| 22:42 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/repo/pkgs/ltsp/
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| 22:42 | strange, strange structure..
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> exactly.
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| 22:42 | <Ryan52> ah.
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| 22:43 | that's what you're using?
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/ltspfs/
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| 22:43 | that's what i'm using
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| 22:43 | what warren told me to use
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| 22:44 | <Ryan52> ya. the second one is what's been uploaded, the first one is what's been uploaded to the binary source file repository.
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| 22:44 | <vagrantc> but the URL you have looks better.
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| 22:44 | * Ryan52 thinks that this whole | |
| 22:44 | <Ryan52> thing is strange
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| 22:44 | <vagrantc> key question is how often will it change format.
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| 22:45 | warren assured me the kojipkgs URL wouldn't change much, if ever
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| 22:46 | <Ryan52> he probably only said that because a script he uses on his VPS uses it and he complains really loudly. :)
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| 22:46 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:47 | debian's ahead of all the other distros in upstream versions for once
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| 22:48 | of course, only in unstable
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| 22:49 | <Ryan52> why haven't you uploaded the new ltspfs?
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: just uploaded today
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| 22:50 | it's current with trunk
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| 22:50 | <Ryan52> o i c
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| 22:50 | <vagrantc> i didn't upload ltspfs 0.5.10, because it had a number of regressions from 0.5.9, and i wanted to ensure they were fixed before uploading.
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| 22:50 | <Ryan52> and they weren't I take it? :)
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| 22:51 | oh, nevermind.
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| 22:51 | <vagrantc> and they're fixed in 0.5.11 ... though local mounting still has some wonkiness, it's less wonky than 0.5.10
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| 23:28 | <ibmanoj> how to give more than one mirror in the ltsp-build-client command?
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| 23:30 | <vagrantc> ibmanoj: --early-mirror and --extra-mirror
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| 23:31 | each take a comma-separated list of mirrors ... i.e. --extra-mirror 'http://foo.bar/debian lenny main,http://baz.bat/something-else UNRELEASED/'
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| 23:52 | <ibmanoj> copied iso images of debian 5.0 DVDs and mounted on /mnt/iso1,/mnt/iso2........./mnt/iso5.how to give the ltsp-build-client command?
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| 23:54 | <vagrantc> ibmanoj: ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///mnt/iso1 --extra-mirror file:///mnt/iso2,file:///mnt/iso3,file:///mnt/iso4,file:///mnt/iso5 --security-mirror none
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| 23:54 | ibmanoj: you might also have to add --accept-unsigned-packages, if the DVD's do not have Release.gpg files
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