00:03 | <MetztliXictli> :)
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00:03 | ok
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00:04 | vagrantc, yo termine ahora una instalacion ltsp4.2 remotamente
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00:04 | ayude unos estudiantes universitarios un projecto para titulacion
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00:10 | <vagrantc> MetztliXictli: que bueno
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00:16 | <MetztliXictli> vagrantc, me dicen que se les trono el server
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00:16 | ya estaba funcionando ltsp y de repente se congelo y se trono el server
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00:20 | * vagrantc necesito estiudiar mas | |
00:21 | <vagrantc> entonces, no entiendo :)
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00:22 | MetztliXictli: cuando tu olvida que ltspbot conoce, !topics
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00:22 | !topics
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00:22 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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00:22 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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00:22 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', and 'download'
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00:23 | <vagrantc> !serversize
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00:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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00:23 | <vagrantc> !serversizing
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00:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "serversizing" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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00:23 | <vagrantc> !download
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00:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "download" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
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00:33 | <MetztliXictli> vagrantc, se quemo el cpu del server
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00:34 | <mistik1> !muekow
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00:34 | <ltspbot> mistik1: "muekow" is MueKow represents the future of LTSP. Using the packages available in the distribution, an LTSP client is build locally, and supported by the distribution. You can see the future at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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04:29 | <MoL0ToV> hey boys i have a problem with X
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04:30 | on the shell of the client i launch X -query x.x.x.x (x server)
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04:30 | but gdm greeter don't come on..
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04:30 | what logs i can see?
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04:47 | <MoL0ToV> hi to all, i just configured out a client-server X-terminal configuration on a gentoo, with etherboot (the onboard network card don't have the bootrom)
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04:48 | someone can help me to make work usb and cd-burner on the terminal clients?
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04:56 | <bip> it s explained in the wiki MoL0ToV
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04:56 | havve u checked there ?
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05:02 | <MoL0ToV> no
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05:02 | now i see
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05:02 | thx
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06:20 | <IRCzito_home> ogra_: can tou help me?
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06:23 | <cliebow> bbiab
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06:23 | linux ROCKS!!
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06:24 | <IRCzito_home> ogra_: I have one ltsp5 with slackware11 + (ubuntu_6.10_i386 root-tree). I'm trying to make the root-tree of slackware.
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06:25 | <ogra> What did you do so far ?
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06:25 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: I do the install of base and for moment copy the /boot and the /lib/modules of ubuntu root-tree
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06:26 | ogra: I wanted to know the sequence that scripts ltsp-client functions
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06:28 | <ogra> well, thats the wrong approach, you should use the ltsp-build-client script and modify it for slackware to build your client chroot but well, ... the sequence numbers of the initscripts should be in /etc/rc2.d ...
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06:28 | <IRCzito_home> I download ltsp-mainline from bzr, but I don't understand how put this it in chroot
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06:29 | <ogra> make a slackware package of ltsp-client that installs the initscripts
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06:29 | you shoud also make a package of ldm to install in the client environment
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06:29 | <ogra> if you look in the source, you see a client directory ...
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06:30 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: ow thanks i go studdi the /etc/rc2.d from the ubuntu root-tree
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06:30 | yeah
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06:30 | <ogra> in the debian dir you will find files prefixed "ltsp-client."
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06:30 | these are defining the package ... i.e. "ltsp-client.install" tells where which scripts go in the installed package
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06:31 | (apart from the initscripts which are handled by a different mechanism)
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06:34 | <IRCzito_home> So I must first modify ltsp-build-client script for this make a slackware root-tree
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06:35 | <ogra_> ltsp-build-client uses a plugin system ... see the plugin dir in the server subdir in the source
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06:37 | below that dir you will find ltsp-build-client/common where all common plugins suited for all distros go ... parallel there are vendor specific dirs with oplugins that are specific to the distros ...
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06:38 | you should put in a Slackware dir there and add plugins to use the slackware distor tools for building a client environment
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06:41 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: Ok, tanks, I go to start the work: D
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06:44 | <ogra> cool :)
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06:47 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: some one question... I just copy the server dir for /usr/share/ltsp for the ltsp-build-cliente work?
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06:47 | ow from
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06:48 | <ogra> check the ltsp-server. files in the debian dir ... the install file has a list of dirs :)
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06:48 | <IRCzito_home> thanks
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07:30 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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07:31 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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07:31 | <ogra> Gadi, pong
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07:32 | <Gadi> ogra: did u get my priv msg last night?
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07:33 | <ogra> nope
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07:33 | <Gadi> (06:00:23 PM) Gadi: hey. just wanted to let you know I have a PXE-booting vm booting from my feisty LTSP5 laptop, connecting to my desktop PC running edgy over NAT via my 802.11b wireless card and pushing back a desktop
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07:33 | (06:06:16 PM) Gadi: if you would consider changing line 37 of ldm to: self.server = get_config('LDM_SERVER') or get_config('SERVER')
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07:33 | (06:06:30 PM) Gadi: before release, I would be most happy :)
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07:33 | dunno if its possible
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07:33 | but, it was fun testing it :)
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07:34 | <ogra> isnt really a big or dangerous change, i think i can sneak that in, can you make a mergeable bzr branch from the feisty-ltsp one ?
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07:34 | (including the documentation updates which will take more work than the patch :) )
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07:35 | <Gadi> heh... if thats what it takes, i'll try to get it done in time... otherwise, I'll just patch ldm as needed
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08:09 | <py1nb> hi
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08:10 | my workstation has 2 network cards one 10 and one 100Mbit. Fd image boots via 100mbit nic, and then the dhcpclient tries to load via the 10mbit card, how do I tell it to use the 100mbit nic?
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08:11 | <sep> py1nb, the obvious and easy answer is to ermove or disable the 10mbit one.
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08:12 | <py1nb> sep, its onboard, I cant remove or disable it, as I cant access bios settings.
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08:12 | I need to go thru the hard amnd labour way
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08:12 | <jammcq> what kind of nic is the 100mbit ?
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08:13 | <sep> py1nb, you could remove the 10mbit nic card driver module from the initrd
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08:13 | <jammcq> no need to remove it
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08:13 | just tell the kernel which nic module you want to use
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08:13 | <sep> disable with boot argument ?
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08:13 | <py1nb> jammcq: trying to google for it, but cant find it.
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08:13 | <jammcq> what kind of nic is the 100mbit ?
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08:13 | <py1nb> I can pass as an option to dhcpd.conf, right?
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08:14 | jammcq: rtk8139
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08:14 | <jammcq> rtl8139?
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08:14 | <py1nb> yes
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08:15 | <jammcq> ok, there's 2 modules for that. either the 8139too or the 8139cp
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08:15 | <bip> hey jammcq i must tahak you the ppl in #etherboot were really kind and helpful ...
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08:15 | <jammcq> you need to pass 'NIC=8139too' to the kernel, you do that via the kernel command line
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08:15 | <bip> thanks for sending me there jammcq :)
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08:15 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions
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08:15 | bip: glad to hear you had a good experience there
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08:16 | <bip> today i will build some prtotype boot cds
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08:16 | <jammcq> py1nb: the method of passing a kernel cmd line arg varies, depending on whether you are using Etherboot or PXE, look at the article I linked to above
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08:17 | <py1nb> option option-129 "NIC=8139too" ?
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08:17 | etherboot here
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08:17 | <jammcq> yes, but make sure you read the part about option-128
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08:17 | it's important
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08:19 | <py1nb> I do, option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; --- what is this about, seems like a mac
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08:19 | <jammcq> read that page
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08:19 | it explains it
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08:22 | <py1nb> ;)
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08:27 | <py1nb> it worked, but the monitor doesn support the resolution, it says "out of sync"
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08:41 | <ogra_> hey sbalneav
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08:41 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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08:41 | Get my mail?
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08:41 | <ogra_> i'm sitting on the first beta installed ltsp client ;)
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08:42 | yes, i'll look over it after beta ... no rush (cant update the package anyway atm)
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08:42 | <sbalneav> Hey, I'm STILL getting a chroot build failure on the install.
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08:42 | here's what I think it may be.
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08:42 | <jammcq> sbalneav: did you run 'apt-get update' on the server?
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08:42 | <ogra_> with 20070320.3 ?
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08:42 | <jammcq> oh yeah, Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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08:42 | <ogra_> i know what it is (was)
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08:43 | its fixed ...
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08:43 | in ltsp 5.0.3
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08:43 | <sbalneav> Oh! OK, will it be in tonight's build?
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08:43 | <ogra_> check thaqt your iso uses that
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08:43 | <sbalneav> should I rsync the iso now?
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08:43 | <ogra_> the cause is disabled since the 20070320.2 build
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08:44 | <sbalneav> What was it?
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08:44 | <ogra_> not sure yet how to do the real fix, but thats post beta material
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08:44 | i'm setting the X keymap by default now
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08:44 | for that i need to read the debconf value of the server
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08:44 | but d-i locks the debconf datatbase during install
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08:45 | <sbalneav> ahhh
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08:45 | <ogra_> i somehow need to get around that, for now i just disabled the keyboard setting ... funnily on my testinstall i have a german keymap out oif the box, so the code was probably not even needed
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08:45 | äöü
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08:45 | :)
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08:46 | <sbalneav> What about my favorite? The funny looking B that stands for two sses?
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08:46 | What's that called again?
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08:47 | <ogra_> ß
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08:47 | <sbalneav> Yeah, that
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08:47 | <ogra_> you call it es-zet
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08:47 | <sbalneav> es-zet
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08:47 | <ogra_> it assembles s and z :)
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08:47 | <sbalneav> got it.
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08:48 | <ogra_> and replaces ss in words ...
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08:48 | (dont ask me for the grammar rule ... :) )
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08:49 | <ogra_> sound works fine as well, the only glitch i found so far is that you have to select hw:0 as volume control manually ...
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08:49 | need to find out how to tell gstreamer to use the pulse control by default ...
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08:49 | <sbalneav> One of the biggest things I did in the docs, which took the most time, was standardize our terminology. We were using "workstation" to refer to thin clients, and Edubuntu boxes with no thin clients hanging off of them, as well as the word "standalone". "Server" was waved around all over the place in all three contexts, and don't get me started on how many words we used for a thin client.
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08:49 | so now...
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08:50 | "Edubuntu Workstation" now refers to an Edubuntu installation that DOESN'T serve any thin clients.
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08:50 | <ogra_> good
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08:50 | <sbalneav> "Edubuntu Server" Is an Edubuntu install that DOES serve thin clients.
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08:50 | and a thin client is ALWAYS called a thin client.
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08:51 | <cliebow_> an spades?
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08:51 | <sbalneav> We call that a "shovel".
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08:52 | Or "diggy thing"
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08:56 | <mistik1> Good Morning fellas
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08:56 | <ogra_> heh
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08:56 | <pscheie> morning all
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08:56 | <cliebow_> mistik1:!!!
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08:58 | <pscheie> sbalneav: did you get my email about NCLS?
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08:59 | <cliebow_> bzr get http://launchpad.net/~petesavage/tcm/trunk ~/tcm
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08:59 | syntax?
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09:05 | <sbalneav> sbalneav: Yep, I did
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09:05 | err, pscheie, yep I did
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09:05 | <pscheie> can you make it?
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09:06 | <sbalneav> Hope to, but I haven't nailed it down yet. Assume "yes" till I tell you otherwise :)
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09:07 | <pscheie> okay, good. Then I'm going to put it on the NCLS website
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09:09 | what do you want to speak on? 4.2 -> 5 evolution/differences? something else?
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09:10 | LDA?
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09:13 | <ogra_> woqah, even tuxtype has sound out of the box ... i can play it while listening to webradio in rhythmbox ... i actually never tested that
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09:14 | <ogra_> jammcq: yesterday i got the little red/black client running with openbox finally, i'll try to package that up in universe so we can pout in a howto to notr have it run with vesa
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09:15 | s/openbox/openchrome/
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09:25 | <py1nb> my workstation locks after sometime
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09:25 | what can I look for?
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09:32 | <bip> excuse me where do i find the ltsp kernel source tarball ?
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09:38 | <sbalneav> bip: Which version of LTSP?
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09:39 | <bip> 2.6.17.3-ltsp-1
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09:39 | where do i get that tarball ?
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09:40 | <ogra_> isnt that included in teh 4.2 source ?
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09:40 | <bip> mmm u mean in the 4.2 cd ?
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09:41 | lemme have a look there
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09:41 | <jammcq> the source for the kernel comes from ftp.kernel.org
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09:41 | the .config for that kernel is in the ltsp-kernel-kit
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09:42 | <bip> yes is there
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09:42 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#ltsp_kernel_kit
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09:42 | <bip> got the config
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09:42 | and i think the kernel tg too
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09:42 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels
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09:43 | <bip> the kernelkit is already untareed now i jsut need a matching kernel tarball
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09:44 | this should work right ?
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09:44 | bip@odin:~/Desktop$ ls *.tgz
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09:44 | ltsp-kernel-2.6.17.3-ltsp-1-0-i386.tgz
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09:44 | bip@odin:~/Desktop$
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09:45 | <jammcq> that's not source
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09:48 | <bip> ouch
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09:48 | so wh
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09:48 | ok lemme do some rtfm
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09:48 | ;-)
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09:49 | <Federico2> hi
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09:52 | <jammcq> hello
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09:52 | <bip> ok go ahead ...
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09:52 | <bip> tell em that u r the porr soul tryin to help me Federico2 ;-)
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10:05 | <bip> this should work right ?
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10:05 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.17.3.tar.gz
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11:34 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> wow cool news
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11:34 | my edubuntu by the upgrade from 4.2 works nice
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11:34 | with 15 clients
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11:34 | :)
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11:35 | i'm waiting what happend when navigation room open and users still using..
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12:06 | <HobNobblin> anyone here know how to set up pass-thru/transparent printing with LTSP and either SSH or Telnet? (preferably SSH)
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13:03 | <Burgwork> so, shiny new Novell thin client. Is this and embedded thing like wyse or a solution like ltsp?
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13:06 | <whiprush> I have found 0 details
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13:06 | and the people I know who work at Novell don't seem to know either
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13:09 | <Burgwork> whiprush: !
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13:09 | and their website is all marketing speak
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13:24 | <mhterres> hello everybody
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13:25 | hi sbalneav
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13:25 | <sbalneav> Hey mhterres!
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13:25 | <mhterres> sbalneav, just 22 days for fisl 8.0
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13:25 | :-)
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13:27 | <sbalneav> yeah!!!
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13:27 | <mhterres> great :-)
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13:28 | do you arrive in April, 11 ?
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13:28 | <sbalneav> 10th, I beleieve.
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13:28 | <mhterres> great
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13:28 | <sbalneav> I will be thirsty when I arrive, have some Brahma on Ice for me. :)
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13:29 | <mhterres> Make us a visit in our office
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13:29 | <sbalneav> I will!
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13:29 | You guys have a booth again this year?
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13:29 | <mhterres> sbalneav, yep
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13:29 | sbalneav, Brahma ? I prefer Skol or Kaiser Summer
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13:30 | <sbalneav> Well, I'll have all three then :)
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13:30 | <mhterres> sbalneav, maybe we need to introduce you to other kinds of beer :-)
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13:30 | <cliebow_> Heinie!!!
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13:30 | <mhterres> sbalneav, great. And lots of churrasco too :-)
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13:30 | <cliebow_> Malt Beer!!
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13:30 | <HobNobblin> Boddingtons
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13:30 | <sbalneav> Meat + Beer = Yum.
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13:31 | <bengoa> sbalneav, Churrasco on 10th april at night ?
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13:31 | <cliebow_> cliebow LOves to "hop" from country to country..
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13:31 | <sbalneav> I would be disappointed if we didn't. :)
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13:31 | <bengoa> hahaha
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13:31 | <mhterres> sbalneav, heeheheh
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13:31 | <cliebow_> Churascarria on Avon..
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13:31 | <mhterres> cliebow, what ?
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13:32 | <cliebow_> Meat..and Beer!
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13:32 | <sbalneav> Hold on, workping
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13:32 | <mhterres> great, but I don't understand the "on Avon" thing :-)
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13:32 | <cliebow_> sorry i cant be there..
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13:32 | <bengoa> We enjoy Na Brasa, Fogo de Chão, Montana Grill and things like this
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13:32 | <mhterres> Avon remember me: "Avon calls..." :-)
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13:33 | <cliebow_> ih i was thinking England...and Brazilian food
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13:33 | guess that is a non-sequitor..\
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13:33 | havnt had much lunch
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13:34 | <mhterres> cliebow, maybe you can come here next year. What do u think ?
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13:34 | ltsp churrasco :-)
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13:35 | <cliebow_> maybe..if my ship comes in..
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13:39 | bzr get http://launchpad.net/~petesavage/trunk/tcm ~/tcm
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13:39 | ..someone help me with syntax?
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14:31 | <weesword1> Hi. Anybody know anything about printers and ltsp5 ??
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14:32 | <sbalneav> What would you like to know?
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14:34 | <weesword1> Is there any provision for printers attached to terminals? (I am using Debian), moving up from LTSP 4.1
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14:34 | I can't see the lp_server, or find any reference to printers in any config scripts
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14:35 | Tho I may not be looking in the right place!
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14:36 | <sbalneav> Are you using the debian LTSP5 packages? I'm not sure if the new lp_server called jetpipe, has moved across.
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14:36 | <jammcq> hello my little friends
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14:36 | <sbalneav> the old lp_server had licensing that couldn't be verified, and wasn't gpl, and the author wasn't around to ask it to be made gpl, so it's having to be re-implementd.
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14:37 | hey jammcqssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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14:37 | <weesword1> Yes, using the deb packages - jetpipe???
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14:37 | <sbalneav> that's the new name of the replacement lp_server
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14:37 | "(laser)jetpipe(over tcpip)
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14:38 | is where the name comes from.
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14:38 | <gepatino> hi everyone, i'm trying to setup local device acces in edgy+ltsp5. ltspfs is installed on the server, lstpfsd is installed on the client, LOCALDEVICES=True... and now what to do? When i plug a usb drive in the terminal it's not mounted anywhere in the server
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14:38 | <weesword1> Where can I find out about it - it's the main thing I need to roll out ltsp5
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14:38 | <sbalneav> weesword1: the one to talk to would be vagrantc. He's handling the debian port.
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14:39 | gepatino: Check in the user and groups manager and make sure the person's been added to the fuse group
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14:40 | <gepatino> sbalneav: yes, the user i'm testing belongs to fuse group
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14:41 | <weesword1> OK thanks.
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14:42 | <sbalneav> gepatino: Have you set a root password in the chroot, so you can log in on tty1?
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14:43 | <gepatino> sbalneav: i have a user inside the chroot who belongs to sudoers
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14:43 | sbalneav: i can log in as that user, it should be the same
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14:44 | sbalneav: ok, now i'm root on tty1
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14:45 | <sbalneav> ok, is there anything in the fstab file on the thin client?
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14:47 | <gepatino> an entry for /dev/fd0 and another for /dev/hda1 (the thin client has an unused hd)
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14:48 | (and of course tmpfs an /)
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14:52 | <gepatino> sbalneav: should i make some entry for usb drives and cdrom?
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14:53 | <sbalneav> No, shouldn't need to, it should pick it up automatically
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14:54 | Is the usb port enabled in the bios?
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14:57 | <gepatino> sbalneav: yes, i'm able to mount the usb drive manually in tty1
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14:58 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, Well, if the udev is working properly, it should kick off /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry
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14:58 | what does /etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules look like on the thin client?
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15:01 | <ltsppbot> "gepatino" pasted "/etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/65
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15:13 | <gepatino> sbalneav: when i plug the usbdrive, the line for /dev/sda1 is added to fstab
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15:13 | but the device is not mounted aumatically
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15:15 | sbalneav: i can mount it manually doing: mount /var/run/drives/KINGSTON
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15:15 | and the usbdrive is mounted
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15:15 | but i don't know how or where to find it in the server...
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15:29 | <gepatino> any help with localdevices?
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15:48 | <bengoa> gepatino, you want to mount automaticly the device ?
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15:49 | <gepatino> bengoa: i want to use localdevices, if they are mounted automatically, i'll be more than happy :)
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16:02 | <bengoa> gepatino, are you using ltsp4.2, right ?
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16:03 | <gepatino> ltsp5+ubuntu edgy
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16:04 | <bengoa> hmm. i still not work with ltsp5
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16:04 | <gepatino> ok, thanks anyway, i'm trying to debug all the scripts that take part in the process
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16:04 | <bengoa> on the 4.2, what I do was install the packs fuse-utils libfuse2 libx11-protocol-perl
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16:05 | <gepatino> on the server or in the client?
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16:05 | <bengoa> server
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16:05 | <gepatino> ok, i alsa have them installed
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16:05 | i also, sorry
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16:06 | <bengoa> the user that you are testing are on the group fuse ?
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16:06 | <gepatino> yes, the groups are ok
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16:06 | <bengoa> and.. the fuse kernel module is loaded ?
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16:07 | <gepatino> i think the problem is more on the client side
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16:07 | since the usbdrive is not automounte
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16:07 | in the client
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16:08 | i can see that udev creates the necessary line in fstab, but the device is not automatically mounted
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16:08 | i have to mount it manually
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16:08 | <gepatino> and even after that, i don't know where to find it in the server side
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16:08 | <bengoa> if you run mount -a (on the client side) the device still not mount ?
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16:09 | <gepatino> let me check
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16:10 | <bengoa> he normally is mounted on /tmp/drives
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16:10 | <gepatino> the device is mounted in the client side
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16:11 | <bengoa> looks good.
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16:11 | <gepatino> in this case, in /var/run/drives/KINGSTON
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16:12 | <bengoa> And now you can access him from X-Window ?
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16:13 | <gepatino> no, i don't know where to look for it, and mount doesn't show any mount related to the client
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16:14 | <bengoa> throw the fuse ...
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16:14 | the fuse is module is loaded, right ?
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16:15 | <bengoa> Ahhh. You should looks the permission on /dev/fuse
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16:15 | <gepatino> yes (in the server, right)
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16:15 | crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 229 2007-03-21 15:26 /dev/fuse
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16:15 | well.... maybe theres the proble
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16:16 | <bengoa> yes :)
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16:16 | <gepatino> i'll try changing group to fuse
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16:16 | <bengoa> KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse", MODE="0660"
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16:16 | at /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules
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16:16 | should resolv the problem
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16:17 | and then put the users on group users, of course]
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16:17 | sorry, group fuse
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16:17 | <gepatino> is it safe to restart udev with some users using the server?
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16:18 | <bengoa> i'm not sure
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16:18 | you can change the permission by hand
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16:18 | <gepatino> ok, let do it by hand
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16:18 | <bengoa> and put the param MODE="0660" at /etc/udev/rules.../ for the next boot
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16:18 | give me a moment please
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16:22 | <gepatino> bengoa: thanks a lot, that did the trick!!!
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16:24 | i owe you a beer ;)
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16:25 | <bengoa> gepatino, heh. You're welcome.
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16:25 | <gepatino> where are you from?
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16:25 | <bengoa> Brasil. You ?
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16:26 | <gepatino> argentina
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16:26 | :)
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16:26 | <bengoa> Is near. I'm on Porto Alegre
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16:26 | <gepatino> if you are in BA someday, try to contact me
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16:27 | my mail is my nickname at gmail.com
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16:27 | i have another question, a short one
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16:27 | <bengoa> nickname? really ?
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16:28 | <gepatino> jaja... not nickname, but my nickname here: gepatino
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16:28 | <bengoa> ah, sure.. :-)
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16:28 | <gepatino> how much time do you consider safe to remove the media from the client side?
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16:29 | after writing something
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16:30 | <bengoa> I don't now. It depends of the usb transfer speed and the file size..
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16:31 | you can use sync write.. but this can appear more show ...
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16:31 | ops, slow ..
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16:32 | <gepatino> ok, thanks a lot
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16:32 | you were really helpfull
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16:32 | <bengoa> you're welcome. I need to go to the class :) Good Night!
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16:33 | Ah, i'll put your gmail on my gtalk
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20:31 | <kmullen> Hey does anyone out there know if there is support documentation to upgrade to latest LTSP?
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20:33 | <jammcq> it's not an upgrade
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20:33 | it's a complete replacement
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20:33 | <kmullen> ouch, does that mean I lose all my data
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20:33 | <jammcq> data ?
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20:33 | data where?
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20:33 | ltsp goes in /opt/ltsp
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20:34 | you storing other data there?
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20:34 | <kmullen> sorry, client config files and such
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20:34 | <jammcq> what distro?
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20:34 | <kmullen> SUSE
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20:34 | <jammcq> the only way to install ltsp-5 on Suse is to use the tarball, which installs in a slightly different place
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20:35 | ie, /opt/ltsp/ubuntu-feisty-i386
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20:35 | so you could easily have both /opt/ltsp and /opt/ltsp/ubuntu-feisty-i386
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20:35 | and they wouldn't interfere with each other
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20:36 | so, you can just follow the docs on the ltsp-5 download page for installing ltsp-5
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20:36 | <kmullen> Interesting, I assume that only one would be running
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20:36 | <jammcq> kmullen: no, you could have them both, and some workstations could use ltsp-4.2, while others use ltsp-5.0
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20:38 | <kmullen> I've had a customer up and running on LTSP 4.2 for over a year, with 6 thin clients. Now Firefox won't stay open
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20:38 | <jamiejcumb_> usinf
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20:39 | <jammcq> hmm, dunno why
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20:39 | <kmullen> So I thought I would take this opp. to upgrade LTSP and Firefox on the server
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20:40 | <jammcq> kmullen: well, they are completely independent of each other
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20:40 | <jamiejcumb_> using feisty. Any one know why sound in rhythembox is not working with pulse
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20:40 | or esd?
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20:40 | <jammcq> also, keep in mind that Novell hasn't done anything to Integrate LTSP-5 into their distro, so in order for you to use it, you'll need to use one of the tarballs from either Debian or ubuntu
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20:41 | jamiejcumb_: sorry, no clue
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20:41 | <kmullen> jammcq, Thank you.
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20:41 | <jamiejcumb_> works with Xmms and Xwindows
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21:11 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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21:11 | ogra: ping
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21:11 | <jammcq> SCOTTY SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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21:12 | <PMantis> Hi sbalneav
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21:13 | <sbalneav> Hello
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21:15 | <cberl1> Hi folks! I'm having an issue on Debian with a custom kernel I've built for use with LTSP 4.2. Everything seems to work well with the setup except this new kernel... Basically, it's a 2.4.27 kernel with all the right options set. I think the issue is in creating the initramfs, because it's complaining about "cramfs wrong magic".
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21:15 | <jammcq> 2.4.x will NOT work with ltsp-4.2
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21:16 | <jammcq> we don't use cramfs with ltsp
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21:16 | <cberl1> jammcq: Okay, is there a version of ltsp that will work with it?
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21:16 | <jammcq> ltsp-4.1 will work, but you won't get the fancy local device support
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21:16 | why do you want a 2.4 kernel?
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21:17 | <cberl1> jammcq: because there isn't an openmosix 2.6 out that is stable enough to try yet... I want to combine LTSP and openmosix.
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21:17 | <jammcq> oh
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21:17 | well, good luck with that
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21:18 | <cberl1> jammcq: thanks. :) At least I have a lead -- if 4.1 will work, that's at least hopeful!
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21:18 | <jammcq> cool
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21:18 | ltsp-4.1 uses a 2.4 kernel by default
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21:18 | 2.6.9 was available, but didn't work so well
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21:18 | <cberl1> jammcq: That really helps, I think. If I can get the PXE booting done, that's most of the battle right there!
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21:21 | Installing the necessary components now. Hopefully this will work out! If it does, I'll try to update the existing LTSP+openMosix docs (for Debian, at least)
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21:26 | <cberl1> jammcq: Any thoughts on where the kernel_kit for 4.1 would be?
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21:26 | <jammcq> well, that's a problem, cuz there wasn't one
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21:26 | hmm, it's been a very long time since I worked with ltsp-4.1
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21:26 | <cberl1> Oh. Okay. Old docs on how to make an initramfs?
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21:26 | <jammcq> back with 4.1, we used initrd, not initramfs
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21:27 | <cberl1> Oh, okay. That's good, isn't it? I already have a working local initrd.
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21:27 | * vagrantc wonders why someone's working on a custom 4.1 with 4.2 and 5.0 implementations available | |
21:27 | <jammcq> vagrantc: cuz he wants a 2.4 kernel
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21:27 | for openmosix
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21:27 | <vagrantc> ah
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21:28 | <cberl1> vagrantc: Unless you've got a better idea for getting 3000 clients up and running without the (approx.) 45 servers that would require? :)
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21:29 | * jammcq wonders how openmosix is gonna help | |
21:29 | <sbalneav> Yeah, if you've got 3000 clients, you're STILL gonna need a bunch of boxes.
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21:29 | <cberl1> jammcq: Well, since openmosix shares cpu, that should lighten the load on the server somewhat. Maybe reduce the number of servers to half??
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21:30 | <vagrantc> cberl1: running all applications locally?
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21:30 | <cberl1> sbalneav: Yeah, but hopefully less?
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21:30 | <sbalneav> OpenMosix doesn't create cycles out of nothing
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21:30 | <jammcq> lighten the load by running some processes on the thin clients?
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21:30 | <cberl1> vagrantc: openmosix migrates processes where the cycles are available.
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21:30 | * vagrantc would run all processes on the thin clients | |
21:30 | <cberl1> vagrantc: Okay, if that would help with the number of servers I'd need, I'm open to suggestions.
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21:31 | <vagrantc> cberl1: yes, i know what openmosix is. never seen it work very well.
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21:31 | cberl1: how powerful are your thin clients?
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21:31 | <cberl1> vagrantc: I've only seen it work in a lab of reasonably-powerful PCs so far. Works nicely, though. My thin clients are about PII 500MHz machines, averaging about 32MB memory.
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21:32 | <vagrantc> oh, the memory would be a killer for my idea, then.
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21:32 | <jammcq> heh, yer gonna share the cpu and memory of a thin client that only has 32mb ?
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21:32 | <cberl1> Primary uses would be web research and word processing
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21:32 | <jammcq> not with 32mb yer not gonna
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21:33 | 32mb is barely enough to have a happy experience with the Xserver
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21:33 | <cberl1> jammcq: This is why I'm setting up a test server first. Can't approach the boss with this hairbrain idea unless it's got some merit.
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21:33 | <jammcq> k
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21:33 | does 'negative merit' help?
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21:33 | :)
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21:33 | <cberl1> jammcq: And the 32MB has been fine up to now with the existing thin clients
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21:33 | <jammcq> cberl1: yeah, cuz you are ONLY running an xserver
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21:34 | <cberl1> Yep
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21:34 | <jammcq> try running a word processor or web browser, and you can kiss your happy users goodbye
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21:35 | <cberl1> jammcq: Well, this is what I need to explore. Again, I'm open to options -- got a lot of potential clients to serve, if this project continues to grow.
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21:35 | <jammcq> with a P3 and 32mb of ram, you really don't have much left to share. 3,000 clients really requires a server farm
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21:37 | <cberl1> jammcq: Well, on the bright side, half the clients will usually just sit idle; thus the sharing idea. But if X is basically going to kill that benefit, I'm looking at about 45 servers, each with about 4GB of memory, if my sizing estimates are even close.
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21:38 | Which works out to about $54K just in RAM. Where we'd store all these servers is another issue...
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21:38 | Not bad initial figures really, at $18/client.
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21:41 | Hmmm... just had another thought... How much memory would you suggest would be needed to serve this number of clients on one server?
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21:42 | <jammcq> 150,000 mb
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21:42 | so, 150 Gb
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21:42 | yeah, that outta do it
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21:42 | !serversizing
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21:42 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "serversizing" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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21:42 | <jammcq> check that doc
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21:43 | <sbalneav> google for mille-term
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21:43 | <cberl1> Right. Same doc I was using as reference earlier, so that much hasn't changed, really.
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21:43 | <jammcq> no, in fact with LTSP-5, you will need more
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21:43 | <cberl1> Yeah, true.
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21:44 | So that still works out to about 40 servers with 4GB each, if I clustered just the servers together...
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21:45 | Okay, I'll just have to try this client-based idea first and see just how crappy it works out. Then I'll be able to tell the boss that I've looked at a couple of different angles, at least.
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21:46 | Are there docs anywhere for how the 4.1 initrd was made, by chance?
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21:46 | <jammcq> ummm
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21:46 | dunno. you could pull the source from cvs
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21:47 | * PMantis dances... got bluetooth file transfers working from phone to Ubuntu | |
21:47 | <cberl1> Just how old is 4.1?
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21:47 | <jammcq> umm
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21:47 | <cberl1> PMantis: Congrats!
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21:47 | <jammcq> 4.2 came out in April of 2006
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21:48 | <cberl1> I see. So 4.1 is something that would rather be left in a closet somewhere, rotting...
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21:48 | <jammcq> cberl1: yeah
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21:56 | <cberl1> What's 5 provide that 4.2 doesn't have?
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22:02 | <vagrantc> 5 is a total change of gears
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22:02 | essentially, instead of LTSP being it's own distribution, you build an LTSP environment using your distro's packages.
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22:02 | so thus, any software supported by your distro will be runnable on the thin client itself.
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22:03 | cberl1: i think the best way to reduce your server needs would be to upgrade the ram in all the clients.
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22:03 | cberl1: and run all your applications on each client.
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22:03 | the your servers are essentially NFS servers
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22:05 | <jammcq> lots and lots of NFS serving gonna happen
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22:08 | <vagrantc> you'll want to split it out into many separate networks, probably. 3000 clients... whew. should be fun (in that torturous way) to get working well.
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22:08 | * vagrantc wonders what the largest LTSP installation is thus far | |
22:09 | <jammcq> I know of 1,000 terminals served by 7 servers
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22:10 | * vagrantc wonders what sort of servers | |
22:11 | <jammcq> umm, Dell 1950's I think
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22:11 | i'm hoping the guy who built the setup will be with us in Portland
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22:12 | * vagrantc looks forward to some portland time | |
22:13 | <jammcq> that's right, you did some time there
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22:16 | <vagrantc> yeah, "cascadian" mostly comes from time in portland and the surrounding area
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22:16 | <Lumiere> so ltsp5 is an interesting local apps/terminal hybrid jammcq?
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22:16 | <vagrantc> no
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22:16 | <jammcq> umm
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22:16 | that's quite a stretch
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22:16 | it's the future of ltsp
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22:17 | <Lumiere> ah
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22:17 | <vagrantc> it has a lot of potential for that sort of thing.
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22:17 | <jammcq> yeah, that's a good way to say it
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22:17 | <vagrantc> currently though, it basically re-implements what older versions of LTSP did, with a few new things, like LDM
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22:17 | <Lumiere> ah
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22:18 | I am hoping cpu to cpu process transition can be worked out
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22:18 | <vagrantc> but what's under the hood is different, being based more directly on the host distro, rather than something that sits on top of the host distro
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22:19 | <Lumiere> yea
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22:20 | <sbalneav> !ltsp5
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22:20 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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22:21 | <jammcq> !sbalneav
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22:21 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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22:21 | <jammcq> :)
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22:21 | <Lumiere> lol
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22:23 | <sbalneav> !monkeys
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22:23 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "monkeys" is not a valid command.
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22:23 | <sbalneav> !monkey
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22:23 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "monkey" is not a valid command.
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22:23 | <jammcq> hmm
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22:23 | <sbalneav> Thought we did that
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22:23 | * jammcq suspects fowl play | |
22:23 | <sbalneav> !topics
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22:23 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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22:23 | <sbalneav> !topic
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22:23 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "topic" is not a valid command.
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22:23 | <vagrantc> someone killed it when we cleaned house
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22:23 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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22:23 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', and 'download'
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22:24 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn monkeys as SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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22:24 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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22:24 | <sbalneav> !monkeys
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22:24 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "monkeys" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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22:24 | <sbalneav> FIXED!
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22:24 | * vagrantc hopes to be filled in someday | |
22:24 | <jammcq> we'll splain it in portland
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22:25 | <sbalneav> It's funny
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22:25 | <jammcq> it's "laugh so hard you start to cry" funny
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22:26 | * vagrantc suspected as much | |
22:26 | <sbalneav> !bestltspdistro
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22:26 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
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22:27 | <sbalneav> heh
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22:27 | <vagrantc> it's a FAQ
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22:28 | that and wireless, and lately ltsp over VPN
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22:28 | <jammcq> yeah, vpn's seem to be a hot topic
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22:28 | <Lumiere> heh
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22:29 | <vagrantc> though i haven't seen MrChicken drop by here with the daily question tonight.
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22:29 | <Lumiere> I think what would be cool is some manner of process management for ltsp
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22:29 | where ltsp can push processes off to machines that have extra resources
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22:29 | <vagrantc> that's openmosix
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22:29 | or some similar technology.
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22:32 | <Lumiere> well
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22:33 | there are some native technologies for linux that were being develope
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22:33 | <jammcq> kids... I'm heading to bed. see ya'll tomorrow
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22:33 | <Lumiere> cya
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22:41 | <PMantis> !ltsp5
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22:41 | <ltspbot> PMantis: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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22:41 | <PMantis> he
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22:43 | * vagrantc is partial to the muekow entry | |
22:44 | <sbalneav> !muekow
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22:44 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "muekow" is MueKow represents the future of LTSP. Using the packages available in the distribution, an LTSP client is build locally, and supported by the distribution. You can see the future at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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22:45 | <sbalneav> I can SEE the FUTURE
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22:45 | * sbalneav squints | |
22:45 | * vagrantc installed the future ages ago | |
22:45 | * vagrantc wrote a few chunks of the future | |
22:45 | <sbalneav> apt-get install future
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22:46 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: be careful, the upgrade path isn't fully tested
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22:46 | <jammcq> and there's no roll-back if it doesn't go very well
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22:47 | <vagrantc> jammcq: are you like, checking irc one last time while brushing your teeth or something?
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22:47 | <jammcq> yeah, just too lazy to get up from my chair and walk all the way up stairs
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