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Channel log from 16 May 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:10 | <cstk421> was it a mistake using ubuntu server for LTSP as opposed to Desktop like the instructions sais ?
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| 04:10 | <cstk421> reason i ask is because im having trouble finding a managment console (gui, or web based) to manage the ltsp server for setting up thinclients to point them at windows 7 vms
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| 04:35 | <work_alkisg> cstk421: no, it wasn't a big mistake, there's no graphical management console, you just need to run ltsp-build-client
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| 04:37 | <cstk421> i got that done but for each client to point them at their respective rdp session to their vm i assume you only need to use the ltsp.conf ?
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| 04:37 | <cstk421> is that the jist of configuraiton for ltsp
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> lts.conf, yes
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| 04:39 | <cstk421> alkisg: i see definitely a lot different than openthinclient terminal server. it manages users / network devices and so forth. also has a management application.
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| 04:39 | alkisg: but thanks for the info
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| 04:40 | alkisg: is there any extra setup for pxe boot ?
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| 04:41 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client calls ltsp-update-image which calls ltsp-update-kernels which takes care of pxe files
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| 04:42 | <cstk421> alkisg: and that command needs to be built once correct ? not for each client
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| 04:42 | <alkisg> Once, yes
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| 04:42 | !docs
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| 04:42 | <ltsp> docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 04:44 | <cstk421> alkisg: thanks ill go over it now
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| 04:44 | alkisg: appreciate the help
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| 04:44 | <alkisg> np
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| 05:19 | <cstk421> does this look right for a basic test http://pastebin.com/DhbJtwMu
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| 05:20 | <alkisg> rdesktop isn't used anymore, use xfreerdp
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| 05:20 | And, most of the entries there are not needed, those are the default values
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| 05:23 | <cstk421> xfreerdp is not mentioned in the document you sent me the link to
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| 05:23 | only rdesktop
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| 05:23 | having a hard time finding good documentation for ltsp sorry
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> That's true, the documentation isn't up to date
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| 05:24 | Try googling for xfreerdp ltsp
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| 05:25 | <cstk421> just did
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| 05:26 | <cstk421> do i need to disable the dhcp server in ltsp if im not using it ? or is it not running by default ?
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| 05:27 | <vagrantc> that depends on the distro
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| 05:28 | <cstk421> using ubuntu server latets
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| 05:28 | latest*
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> Install ltsp-server, not ltsp-server-standalone
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| 05:29 | <vagrantc> latest is a relative term...
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> the -standalone part also contains the dhcp server
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| 05:29 | <vagrantc> doesn't standalone also depend on other things like ltspfs?
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| 05:29 | and ldm-server
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| 05:30 | <cstk421> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
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| 05:30 | Description: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
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| 05:30 | Release: 14.04
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| 05:30 | Codename: trusty
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| 05:30 | this is the standalone ltsp that i installed
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| 05:32 | <alkisg> vagrantc: he's only using xfreerdp, so no ldm, ltspfs etc
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| 05:33 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 05:33 | yeah, ltsp-server makes a lot of sense then
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| 05:34 | <cstk421> alkisg: so do i need to change rdesktop to xfreerdp in the lts.conf ?
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> cstk421: yes, rdesktop is deprecated, it might still work but it's not recommented anymore
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| 05:35 | cstk421: one easy way to go through this is to put SCREEN_06=xterm
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| 05:35 | <cstk421> alkisg: yeah the client is not booting so i dont think its there. also dhcp is not isntalled
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> From that xterm, run `xfreerdp params` till you connect correctly
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| 05:35 | <cstk421> ok
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> When you have the correct xfreerdp command line, then put it in SCREEN_06 instead of xterm
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| 05:36 | The package is called isc-dhcp-server, afaik
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| 05:36 | You don't need it, if you configured your external dhcp server ok
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| 05:37 | <cstk421> alkisg: oh didnt look for that yes it is installed
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| 05:40 | <cstk421> i changed the config to the SCREEN_06=xterm and the client still doesnt boot from the terminal server. not sure whats missing
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| 05:41 | <alkisg> Maybe your dhcp server configuration
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| 05:41 | <cstk421> http://pastebin.com/JJ97JAdQ
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| 05:41 | <alkisg> What's the last thing you see in the client screen?
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| 05:41 | <cstk421> i dont think its my dhcp server b/c it was working with another terminal server just fine
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| 05:42 | no boot filename received
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| 05:42 | exiting pxe boot now
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> Right, so that's the issue
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| 05:42 | <cstk421> hmmm
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> See some notes there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 05:42 | ...if they match your case
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| 05:42 | You need boot filename, root path etc
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| 05:43 | <cstk421> so that needs to be setup on my dhcp server ? mine is on a cisco 1841 not a win box
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| 05:43 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 05:43 | <alkisg> If you can't do that, here's an alternative: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 05:44 | But the best way is in the cisco config
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| 05:44 | <cstk421> yep reading how to do it now
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| 06:28 | <cstk421> does ltsp serve the bootfile via tftp ?
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| 06:28 | nm
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| 06:28 | found the answer
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| 06:55 | <cstk421> alkisg: you still around by chance ?
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| 06:56 | i got the dhcp server to point at the bootfile now. my issue now is after it gets an ip it doesnt boot just sits there after displaying the ip info it received. and doesnt attempt to boot anything including xterm and xfreerdp.
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| 06:59 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 06:59 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 06:59 | <alkisg> cstk421: ^
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| 06:59 | <cstk421> ok
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| 06:59 | <alkisg> Also tell the dhcp server to point to the ltsp (=tftp) server as well, with next-server ip
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| 07:00 | And don't forget root path
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| 07:00 | <cstk421> did that
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> ==> 3 options need to be changed in dhcp
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| 07:01 | <cstk421> what file in pxelinux.cfg is that line in ?
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| 07:01 | ltsp ?
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| 07:01 | b/c i opened that file and that string is not there
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| 07:02 | there is this append ro initrd=initrd.img-3.13.0-24-generic init=/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash root=/dev/nbd0
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| 07:02 | in a lot of them
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> "run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default"
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| 07:04 | And you're saying it's not there?
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| 07:04 | <cstk421> thats right
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| 07:05 | http://pastebin.com/puEfEtjn
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> OK, just remove the quiet splash part
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| 07:05 | <cstk421> on all of them ?
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> Line 14
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| 07:05 | <cstk421> ok
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| 07:06 | is that supposed to show in the boot screen or output to a log ?
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> http://ferrellweb.com/temp/ltsp2.gif
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| 07:20 | It'll start with something like that
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| 07:22 | <cstk421> yeah i removed all the quiet splash comments and im getting no output besides the ip info after it pulls the bootfile
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| 07:23 | http://postimg.org/image/58pkb875r/6173d365/
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| 07:24 | here is the dhcp config http://pastebin.com/3q3FsN8s
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| 07:25 | i know the bootfile is accessible b/c i pulled it from the ltsp server on to the router as a test
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> cstk421: the VM needs to be in bridged mode, not in NAT mode. Try with a real client.
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| 07:35 | Hi piet
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| 07:35 | <cstk421> alkisg: it is in bridged mode
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> cstk421: check the wiki page I linked, you still have the wrong dhcp config
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| 07:35 | <cstk421> ok
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> cstk421: 017 Root Path: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:36 | 067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/arch/pxelinux.0
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| 07:36 | I.e. ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 07:39 | <cstk421> got it working
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| 07:40 | i didnt know the bootfile was that one. all the documentation was indicated to tell the dhcp server that the bootfile was the lts.conf
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| 07:40 | wow
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| 07:40 | alkisg: i cant thank you enough for your help
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| 07:41 | * alkisg accepts beers, pizza, paypal donations... :P | |
| 07:41 | <alkisg> np :)
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| 07:49 | <cstk421> well got lot further and got to the ubuntu login. xfreerdp stuck. ill tackle that tomorrow. thanks again im sure ill be back ! have a good night
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| 11:56 | <DanSwano> Hello all! Is there a russian LTSP channel here?
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| 11:57 | <MrV> why?
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| 11:58 | prvmsg me in cyrillic if you like
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| 11:58 | <DanSwano> ok
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| 11:58 | <MrV> thou I'm quite a noob... :(
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| 11:58 | thouGH*
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| 12:07 | <gvy> DanSwano, a chto?
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| 12:07 | <DanSwano> need help with a strange error
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| 12:09 | on some computers I have a "Cannot open virtual terminal 7 (permission denied)" while starting Xorg
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| 12:09 | on other computers all seems ok
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| 12:10 | a part of our computers won't start
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| 12:10 | LTSP chroot is Debian Wheezy i386
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| 12:13 | <DanSwano> these computers was working correctly before some LTSP chroot update
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| 12:15 | SCREEN_07="kiosk /usr/bin/startfluxbox" in lts.conf
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| 12:20 | <gvy> DanSwano, erm, is Xorg binary suid there?
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| 12:59 | <DanSwano> gvy, /usr/bin/X suid bits are set
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| 12:59 | /usr/bin/Xorg is not set
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| 13:31 | <JuJuBee> I use fat clients, if I create a new install of ubuntu 14.04 on a pc and copy the HD to /opt/ltsp/amd64/ on ltsp server, then udate-keys....and image that should work?
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| 13:38 | <santos> what is the equivalent path of /usr/share/mozilla/extension in the chroot
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: you need to install ltsp-client there too
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| 13:39 | santos: $ dpkg -S /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/
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| 13:39 | xul-ext-websites-integration, xul-ext-ubufox, xul-ext-adblock-plus: /usr/share/mozilla/extensions
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| 13:39 | ==> if you install one of those packages to the chroot, it will create that directory for you
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| 13:39 | <santos> beautifulllllllll
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| 13:39 | beautifullllllllll
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| 13:40 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: where? on PC or LTSP server? I have a currently working server setup with 12.04 fat client. I don't want to go through the 2 years of updating though.
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> First, what 2 years of updating? It's a single update.
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| 13:40 | Second, yes, on the PC.
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| 13:41 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: from 12.04 to 14.04... I never have luck doing upgrade in place, always do fresh/clean install
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| 13:41 | OK, I will install ltsp-client on PC being used for image.
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: I agree with you, but just this once, 12.04 => 14.04 is pretty similar, so it should work
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| 13:42 | In all the other times, ltsp was not designed for upgrades,
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| 13:42 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: already have a 14.04 box ready to go
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> and, ubuntu had too many changes to be easily upgradable....
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| 13:42 | OK, go for it
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| 13:43 | <JuJuBee> I will make backup copy of the images folder as well as my amd64 folder on server to be safe
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| 13:43 | <gvy> DanSwano, well I'd examine /var/log/Xorg.*.log then
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| 13:44 | or try xinit/startx as root
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> I think the kiosk plugin is a bit broken, it should use root for non-KMS enabled graphics cards
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| 13:44 | <JuJuBee> Thanks alkisg
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| 13:44 | <santos> how do I copy a launcher to the desktop of all users?
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| 13:46 | <santos> maybe is better to use the menu
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> You put it in /usr/share/applications for the menus
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| 13:47 | <santos> Thanks Alkisg Very Veeeery much
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| 13:55 | <rafepren> Faith_, how are you?
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| 13:55 | Faith_, haha
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| 13:56 | <Faith_> rafepren, good, and u? :)
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| 13:57 | <rafepren> I don't know, Faith_
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| 13:59 | <DanSwano> how to enable LDM autologin?
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 13:59 | <ltsp> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 14:00 | <DanSwano> 404
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| 14:00 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutoLoginFeatures does not work
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| 14:06 | will continue at Monday, thanks all
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> 404 the lts.conf manpage?!
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| 14:32 | DanSwano: check LDM_AUTOLOGIN in the man page that I linked
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| 14:33 | Also, note that those won't apply to kiosk sessions
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| 15:21 | <johnsonmlw> Hi all. Which file points to lts.conf? I've installed ltsp-pnp on debian wheezy (amd64) and the clients seem to take no notic of my settings in lts.conf.
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| 15:22 | <gbaman> which one were you editing johnsonmlw?
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| 15:22 | <johnsonmlw> *notice
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| 15:22 | <gbaman> there are a few... in a few places..
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| 15:22 | <johnsonmlw> I'm wondering if it's pointing to a path with i386 in it, rather than amd64 dir
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| 15:24 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 15:26 | <||cw> iirc, the amd64 pxe folder isn't used anymore
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| 15:28 | <johnsonmlw> Thanks. Could you explain how I might get the client to pick up the right file? This is a clean install, running the ltsp-pnp setup commands
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| 15:32 | <||cw> put it in the i386 folder?
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| 15:33 | <johnsonmlw> Nice idea. I created an i386 directory and copied the file across, but alas no.
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| 15:33 | <||cw> I thought there was a command to find where it's looking, but haven't found it yet
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| 15:35 | in the chroot, /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/05-getltsconffile
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| 15:35 | <johnsonmlw> Ta
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| 15:35 | I'll have a look see
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| 15:36 | <johnsonmlw> Ah... is there a chroot in LTSP_PNP?
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| 15:36 | <||cw> hm, no, so maybe just put it in /etc ?
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| 15:45 | <johnsonmlw> I appreciate the help. I'll persevere.
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| 18:16 | <Chap> First time plugging in USB drive to new Ubuntu Trusty client. lts.conf LOCALDEV=true, device shows up on client's syslog. User is in fuse group. Device not automagically mounted. Next step in troubleshooting?
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| 18:26 | <cstk421> so my client stops booting at this point via xfreerdp http://postimg.org/image/jity32qwn/8b616593/ . any thoughts ?
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| 18:33 | <Chap> cstk421: Yes!
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| 18:33 | <cstk421> lol ok what are your thoughts ?
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| 18:33 | also does anyone know where to find the log of client pxe boot sessions ?
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| 18:34 | <Chap> 1st: Make sure you don't have a rogue DHCP server, and the 'root server' given by DHCP is actually your LTSP server. If that's OK, then you're *probably* seeing a known bug in NBD http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/32333612/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/451092/ltsp-client-image-load-hangs-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts
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| 18:37 | <cstk421> well my 1841 is running dhcp im not using the ltsp dhcp server if that matters
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| 18:38 | last night it was stuck at the setting up nbd client forever and left it overnight and the screenshot was the result
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| 18:38 | just restarted the client and its stuck there again at setting up nbd client
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| 18:42 | <cstk421> yep looks like i got the same error as the info in the link you sent me
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| 18:42 | so i have to figure out how to use NFS instead of NBD
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> cstk421: more likely you have to make sure your dhcp settings are correct
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| 18:45 | <cstk421> vagrantc: do you think that is the case considering i can boot the client to the ubuntu client login no problem ?
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> cstk421: the URL you pasted above looks like its not the ubuntu client login... ?!
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| 18:46 | <cstk421> vagrantc: no i know its because i changed the lts.conf to direct the client to a winbox via xfreerdp
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| 18:46 | vagrantc: if i remove the mac specific options it will boot to the client login
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> that seems hard to believe.
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| 18:47 | <cstk421> vagrantc: ok will do it now to configm
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| 18:48 | <Chap> sounds more like DHCP issue than NBD issue
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> cstk421: could you paste your lts.conf ?
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| 18:49 | <cstk421> vagrantc: looks like i stand corrected. i had it working last night. strange
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| 18:49 | yes i wil
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| 18:49 | http://pastebin.com/xvk3RZM8
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| 18:50 | Chap: i tackled that last night and havent changed it since not sure
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> it really sounds like you have two DHCP servers on your network.
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| 18:51 | if it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't
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| 18:51 | you can work around that by using "ipappend 3", to some extent.
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| 18:52 | <cstk421> well iknow the ltsp server has a dhcp server as well. when i try to stop the service it doesnt work. i would like to remove it all together
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| 18:52 | that command doesnt work however
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| 18:53 | dhcp pool config http://pastebin.com/ZYMyu2Gm
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| 18:54 | <vagrantc> cstk421: i'd recommend setting up proxydhcp instead of the LTSP server.
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| 18:54 | cstk421: then you can configure proxydhcp to send the right information
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| 18:54 | !proxydhcp
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| 18:54 | <ltsp> proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 18:55 | <cstk421> ah hah now that i like to see. didnt want to replace my dhcp ok that looks like good info reading now.
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| 18:55 | thx
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| 18:56 | <cstk421> so part of the procedure is to remove ltsp-server standalone. does that sound right to you ?
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| 18:56 | sudo apt-get --yes --auto-remove purge ltsp-server-standalone
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> well, if you install dnsmasq, then all you'd need to do is remove isc-dhcp-server
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| 19:02 | <cstk421> ok
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| 19:03 | just started doing the process and noticed im not resolving inet addresses
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| 19:03 | cant even apt update
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| 19:06 | fixed that part moving on....
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| 19:20 | <cstk421> so here is my ltsp.conf for dnsmasq http://pastebin.com/gQ8LyVzp
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| 19:20 | now pxe wont get an ip and boot at all
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| 19:20 | removed all options in the dhcp server pool on the router fyi
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> you've restarted dnsmasq after editing that configuration?
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| 19:26 | <cstk421> no sir
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| 19:26 | doing now
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| 19:28 | ok that did it now it got an ip and attempted to boot. ended with error: socket failed : connection refused
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> so you need to set "ipappend 3"
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| 19:29 | is it not mentioned in the URL above?
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| 19:29 | for proxydhcp
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| 19:30 | oh, those instructions are awful.
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| 19:31 | but should be fine for testing
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| 19:32 | <cstk421> it is and i put it in the ltsp under pxelinux.cfg at the bottom
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| 19:32 | or should i have just changed the iappend string that was in there already to 3 and not pasted the rest of the content
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| 19:32 | <vagrantc> you need to have one per entry in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 19:33 | yeah, change them all to ipappend 3 ...
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| 19:34 | <cstk421> k
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| 19:35 | any service need to be restarted after the change ?
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| 19:35 | and why does all the docs refer to /default thats not a file but a link so i made the changed to ltsp in that pxelinux.cfg folder. i assume thats correct
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| 19:36 | it worked
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| 19:36 | got to the ubuntu client login
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> because in older versions it was a file
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| 19:40 | it will work until ltsp-update-kernels runs again
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| 19:40 | now your xfreerdp stuff should work too
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| 19:41 | <cstk421> yeah testing that now
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| 19:41 | so how do i avoid the kernel running again breaking my changes ? is this a bug ?
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| 19:42 | also do i now use the ltsp.conf in the dnsmasq folder instead of the one in the tftpboot/i386 folder ?
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| 19:42 | <vagrantc> edit /opt/ltsp/*/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 19:42 | IPAPPEND=3
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| 19:42 | <cstk421> ah
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| 19:42 | ok
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| 19:42 | <vagrantc> sudo ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 19:43 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 19:43 | <cstk421> does that kernel run on its own ?
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> should do it...
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| 19:43 | <cstk421> b/c it broke again
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| 19:43 | i didnt do anything
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> it might trigger when interfaces go up or down
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| 19:43 | <cstk421> ah
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> so in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/pxelinux.cfg/default it now says ipappend 2?
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| 19:45 | <cstk421> no those say ipappend 3
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| 19:46 | oh you mean after it broke
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| 19:46 | dont know ill check now
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| 19:47 | no it still sais 3 in that file
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| 19:55 | k stuck here now
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| 19:55 | http://postimg.org/image/ikzyf8qtl/c35894ca/
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> no idea there, could be anything
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| 20:06 | <cstk421> now i removed all the settings i changed in the lts.conf and it wont even boot back to the ubuntu client login
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| 20:07 | something else is failing after a period of time
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| 20:07 | i dont get it
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| 20:08 | would you say it would be better if just followed the instructions on the ltsp docs and use ubuntu desktop or that has nothing to do with my issues ?
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| 20:09 | <vagrantc> that has nothing to do with your issues.
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| 20:09 | cstk421: did you reconfigure your router to not hand out bootfile and other DHCP settings?
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| 20:10 | <cstk421> yes removed all those settings
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> and restarted DHCP on your router?
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| 20:12 | <cstk421> dont see why i would need to do that
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| 20:12 | you think thats necessary
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> well, i'd rather be sure it wasn't still handing out the wrong information
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| 20:13 | <cstk421> ok get this
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| 20:13 | if i reboot the ltsp server then restart the client it boots to the ubuntu client login np
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| 20:13 | i reboot the client again and not the server it fails
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| 20:13 | socket times out
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| 20:14 | i reboot the server again and then client and it works np
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| 20:14 | wtf
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| 20:14 | even my xfreerdp config will boot with that process even though it hangs at a black screen once it trys to start the session but at least im passing the boot process
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> sounds like broken dhcp settings.
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| 20:18 | if it sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't, it's 95% of the time broken DHCP settings.
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| 20:18 | do you still have isc-dhcp-server running on the LTSP server?
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| 20:19 | <cstk421> checking
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| 20:20 | server is gone i uninstalled it
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| 20:20 | the client is there thats it
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| 20:20 | irqbalance install
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| 20:20 | isc-dhcp-client install
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| 20:20 | isc-dhcp-common install
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| 20:21 | iso-codes
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| 20:22 | do you think i need to add the next-server options back in the router dhcp settings ?
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> not with proxydhcp
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| 20:23 | is dnsmasq running?
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| 20:24 | <cstk421> yes
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| 20:24 | well didnt check after it failed trying now]
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| 20:25 | cstk421@ubuntu:~$ service dnsmasq status
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| 20:25 | * Checking DNS forwarder and DHCP server dnsmasq
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| 20:25 | * (dead, pid file exists)
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| 20:25 | so thats the status after i rebooted the client after the first succesfull boot without rebooting the server
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| 20:25 | rebooting server and will check right when it comes up
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| 20:26 | same status after reboot
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| 20:26 | wierd
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| 20:26 | nevermind needed sudo its running
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| 20:26 | gonna check again after rebooting the client 2 times
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| 20:28 | ok client failed again and dnsmasq is still running
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> you might want to contact a professional exorcist.
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| 20:29 | <cstk421> lol
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| 20:29 | figures
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> here's what i would recommend
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| 20:29 | set up a network of two computers, the LTSP server, and a thin client ... get that setup working. then you'll know the technology works.
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| 20:30 | and then you can figure out how to move that to a "real" network...
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| 20:30 | <cstk421> so your accusing my VM huh lol
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> reduce your variables
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| 20:31 | <cstk421> gotta tell you i set this up the same way with openthinclient server took 30 min and was up and running including rdp into a winbox
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| 20:31 | this is crazy that ltsp is supposed to be better and more widely used
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| 20:31 | <cstk421> not to mention that openthinclient has a windows management app for gui management
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> i'm not here to convert you to LTSP ... if you've found something that works better, by all means, use it
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| 20:32 | i use LTSP, works great for me, works great for lots of people.
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| 20:32 | <cstk421> no i understand i was told by others ltsp was more widely used and better thats why i wanted to get it up and running to test it
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| 20:32 | i really appreciate your help
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> but we can't troubleshoot everyone's bizarre networking problems indefinitely...
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| 20:32 | <cstk421> i completely understand
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> cstk421: honestly, it seems like a problem with your networking.
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| 20:33 | <cstk421> im gonna reboot the router just for craps and giggles
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> if not DHCP, maybe soemthing in the way the VM is set up.
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| 20:33 | <cstk421> ok kool
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| 20:33 | i also have a real TC at home that i can try this is just easier to do while im remote
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| 20:36 | <cstk421_> sorry back
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| 20:37 | <cstk421> did you get that last message ?
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| 20:37 | <vagrantc> i don't know what you think the last message is :P
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| 20:37 | "13:33 < cstk421> i also have a real TC at home that i can try this is just easier to do while im remote" ?
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| 20:38 | <cstk421> i also assume that making all the config changes using Transmit on mac via the editor should not matter right ? vi to do editing isnt really a factor
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> shouldn't
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> cstk421: which ubuntu version is that?
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| 20:39 | <cstk421> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
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| 20:39 | DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04
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| 20:39 | DISTRIB_CODENAME=trusty
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| 20:39 | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04 LTS"
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| 20:39 | vagrantc: ok kool
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Then it might be the nbd-server problem that vmlintu mentioned
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| 20:39 | Try restarting nbd-server on the server every time before the client boots
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| 20:39 | If that works, then it's that problem
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> eesh, really?
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> Yeah :( Affecting 3.13+ kernels.
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| 20:40 | Patch is on the way...
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| 20:40 | <cstk421> hmm ok
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| 20:40 | will try
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| 20:41 | alkisg: would we assume that is the issue only if it hangs at the setting up nbd-client string
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> No, because there are other reasons for it to hang there.
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| 20:42 | It is that symptom, yes, but it's not the only cause that causes that symptom
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| 20:42 | <cstk421> this is where its hanging when it fails and this is consistent
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| 20:42 | http://postimg.org/image/rxaydc485/10ec6227/
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| 20:42 | it passes the nbd setup np
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| 20:42 | i see
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> It doesn't pass the nbd setup
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| 20:42 | Those are udev messages, asyncronous
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| 20:43 | There's no "done" after "Setting up nbd-client"
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| 20:43 | <cstk421> gotcha
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> Try the "restarting nbd-server" method
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| 20:44 | <cstk421> k trying now after restarting the nbd
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| 20:44 | yep that did it
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| 20:44 | worked
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> Do it another time to be sure
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| 20:44 | <cstk421> windows still doesnt come up but it worked
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> And then, a third time so that it hangs
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| 20:44 | <cstk421> k trying again
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> (the third time without restart nbd)
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| 20:45 | <cstk421> got it
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| 20:46 | no 2 worked
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| 20:47 | <cstk421> no 3 failed without restart of nbd
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> Let it show you the initramfs prompt. There, run this: `cat /*/net*.conf`. Verify that ROOTSERVER is correct. Finally, try this:
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| 20:47 | !nbd-client
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| 20:47 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 20:47 | <cstk421> ok
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| 20:48 | i assume you want me to run that on the server shell not in the thin client right ?
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> Thin client
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| 20:48 | <cstk421> ok
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| 20:50 | cant open /tmp/net-eth0.conf no such file or directory
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| 20:51 | <alkisg> Hrm. Expected (2 other persons reported that), but unexplained so far.
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| 20:51 | And I assume that the nbd-client command will work
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| 20:51 | <cstk421> i assume the * after the first / is correct and you didnt want me to fill that variable
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| 20:51 | didnt try it doing now
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> How are you resetting the client? With hard VM reset, or with soft OS reset, e.g. Alt+Ctrl+Del?
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| 20:53 | <cstk421> hard vm reset but not powering the vm off there is a reset option
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| 20:53 | the nbd-client command just sits there
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> OK, new test:
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| 20:53 | <cstk421> ok
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| 20:53 | power off the vm instead of reset
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> Stop VM. Restart nbd-server on the server. Boot client.
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| 20:54 | It'll hang at xfreerdp, ok, we ignore that for now.
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| 20:54 | Then, do a soft reset, so that "nbd-disconnect" is called
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| 20:54 | E.g. Alt+Ctrl+F1 and Alt+Ctrl+Del or similar
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| 20:54 | <cstk421> stop what vm ?
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> The VM client that you're using
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| 20:54 | I.e. don't use the vmware reset command
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| 20:54 | <cstk421> ok i have 3 the ltsp vm the 7 box and the 3rd vm thin client
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> Use the ubuntu reset command
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| 20:55 | <cstk421> which do you want stopped
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> When you reset the 3rd vm thin client, don't use the vmware reset
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| 20:55 | <cstk421> ok so power it off, restart nbd on the ltsp server, then boot client
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 20:55 | <cstk421> got it
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| 20:56 | <alkisg> The key is the reset method after all those steps
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| 20:56 | When the client boots, press alt+ctrl+del inside the thin client so that it reboots normally and not like pressing the reset button
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| 20:56 | <cstk421> ok
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| 20:56 | <alkisg> Because when you press the VM reset, it's like pressing the reset button
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| 20:57 | I assume that if you're doing "soft resets", then the thin client won't have the problem anymore
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| 20:57 | <cstk421> k restarted nbd powerd on the vm thinclient and it booted fine. now gonna restart the vm within the OS
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| 20:58 | sent the ctrl alt delete and no good
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| 20:58 | just sits at the black screen
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| 20:58 | <alkisg> It restarted and then it hanged?
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| 20:58 | Or it didn't restart at all?
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| 20:58 | <cstk421> no didnt restart
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| 20:59 | <alkisg> Try sending Alt+Ctrl+F1 first
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| 20:59 | To go to the first vt
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| 20:59 | <cstk421> the xfreerdp session has never completed yet so im not in windows yet
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| 20:59 | ok
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> (newer versions of xorg don't respond to alt+ctrl+del without special configuration)
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| 21:00 | <cstk421> no good
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| 21:00 | well the vm has the option to send that command from the menu
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> Did you switch to the first vt, away from the blackness?
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| 21:00 | <cstk421> yes
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> that is an evil nbd bug. :(
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| 21:01 | <alkisg> Don't use the menu, I think that's an ACPI shutdown
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| 21:01 | Try to send Alt+Ctrl+Del from a keystroke
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| 21:01 | E.g. in virtualbox, it's "right ctrl+del"
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| 21:01 | <cstk421> now there is a "restart" option in the menu instead of reset
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| 21:01 | ok
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| 21:01 | <alkisg> No, don't use the menus at all
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| 21:01 | http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1011705
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| 21:01 | In vSphere 4.x/5.x and VMware Infrastructure 3: Ctrl+Alt+Insert sends the virtual machine a Ctrl+Alt+Delete command.
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| 21:02 | I don't know if that applies to your setup
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| 21:02 | <cstk421> lol mac no insert key
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| 21:02 | <cstk421> of courese
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> http://pubs.vmware.com/fusion-6/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.vmware.fusion.help.doc%2FGUID-8F0BAAC9-F9EA-4182-BE27-D5F7D1278817.html
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| 21:02 | On a full-sized Mac keyboard, press Fwd Del+Ctrl+Option. The Forward Delete key is below the Help key.
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| 21:02 | <cstk421> k
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: do you know if that bug has been verified on Debian?
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no, I don't know. I haven't even verified it myself in Ubuntu either, vmlintu mentioned it
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> haven't really tested since my last upload a couple months ago...
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> But there were 2-3 persons here that seemed to be affected by that
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> i still mostly use NFS for testing, only use NBD when making uploads.
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| 21:04 | alkisg: it also seemed like a recent thing ... the "problem of the week" sort of issue
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| 21:04 | <alkisg> What kernel does jessie have?
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> currently 3.13, soon 3.14
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| 21:05 | <cstk421> i cant get this thing to reboot
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| 21:05 | prob gonna have to be home in front of it to work
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> cstk421: try with SCREEN_06=xterm
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| 21:05 | <cstk421> ok
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> you can just run `reboot` there then
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| 21:06 | And the assumption is, that if you use "VMware menu reset", the client will only boot once until nbd-server restart, while if you use "xterm reboot command", it won't have the problem
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| 21:06 | <cstk421> i figured ok
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| 21:07 | ok at the ubuntu client login gonna reboot now
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| 21:08 | ok so from the client login how do i reboot lol ?
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| 21:08 | nm
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| 21:08 | there is a reboot button :)
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| 21:09 | that worked
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| 21:09 | rebooted and came back to the client login
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| 21:09 | trying a third time for luck
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> so is something breaking nbd-disconnect?
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> No, nbd-disconnect solves the problem :D
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| 21:10 | With hard resets, the client port isn't closed
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| 21:10 | <cstk421> ah
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> Erm, the server nbd connection isn't closed
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| 21:10 | On the next boot, the client is trying to use the same source port
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| 21:10 | <cstk421> third time was good too
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| 21:10 | trying xfreerdp one more time
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| 21:11 | im sure that wont come up
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| 21:11 | <alkisg> And it's failing because that connection is already established (same client ip/port, same server ip/port)
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| 21:11 | That's just a problem with your lts.conf line for xfreerdp, nothing major...
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| 21:11 | <cstk421> right
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| 21:11 | yep nothing but it did reboot and come up np
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| 21:11 | thanks guys
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| 21:11 | <alkisg> cstk421: so, try with xterm
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| 21:11 | Then find the xfreerdp line
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| 21:12 | Then just use soft resets until the bug is fixed
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| 21:12 | <cstk421> xterm works just fine
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| 21:12 | oh
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> Inside xterm, run xfreerdp
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| 21:12 | <cstk421> i got it
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| 21:12 | thx will do
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| 21:12 | gonna go home and start fighting it again
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| 21:12 | alkisg: thank you very much
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> np
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| 21:12 | <cstk421> vagrantc: thank you again
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| 21:12 | vagrantc: great help
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| 21:12 | hopefully talk to you guys later
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> cstk421: good luck!
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| 22:17 | <cstk421_> well guys from xterm i was able to get xfreerdp to work and get to windows. still working on getting the lts.conf to do it automatically
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| 22:20 | <cstk421_> so regardless of the lts.conf settings it boots to the ubuntu client login screen
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| 22:22 | hmmm
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> but you can get it to run an xterm with different lts.conf settings?
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| 22:30 | <cstk421_> so you mean boot scree_06=xterm and xfreerdp options after it ? havent tried that
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| 22:31 | http://pastebin.com/4v2qkHqh
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| 22:31 | thats what i have now
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> cstk421_: no, i mean, SCREEN_06=xterm doesn't pop up the ubuntu client login screen?
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| 22:37 | <cstk421_> yes it does
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> so, it starts the ubuntu client login screen in addition to xterm, or instead of?
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| 22:39 | <cstk421_> in addition
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| 22:39 | i can access xterm and xfreerdp to the winbox from there no problem
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| 22:39 | its going directly that is the issue
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> you might be able to spell the options all out in one line ... i.e.
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| 22:43 | <cstk421_> that was my thought but i tried i think i may have the wrong syntax
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> SCREEN_07=xfreerdp --ignore-certificate --no-auth 172.16.0.24
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| 22:45 | i *think*
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| 22:45 | is that what you use from the xterm?
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| 22:45 | <cstk421_> yes but i used -u username and it worked gonna try again
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> haven't used xfreerdp much, and only to connect to machines running xrdp (i.e. not windows)
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| 22:46 | basically, you should be able to put the exact same commandline used in xterm on the SCREEN_07=xfreerdp line...
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| 22:48 | <cstk421_> ok
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| 22:51 | <vagrantc> it might need the fullscreen argument? maybe --f ?
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| 22:51 | the defaults are: --f -u ''
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| 22:52 | <cstk421_> why am i having issues getting to the shell from the client login screen ?
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| 22:52 | i tried to change the session at the bottom but it doesnt work
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> i'm sorry, i don't understand ... which client login screen?
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| 22:53 | <cstk421_> ubuntu
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| 22:54 | asks for username and pass
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| 22:54 | when i try to login it just goes to black screen then comes back again
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> that will get you a graphical login
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| 22:54 | does your server have ldm-server installed?
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| 22:54 | that's for a gui login, not for a shell
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| 22:55 | <cstk421_> nope
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| 22:55 | it doesnt
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| 22:55 | but i get a graphical login or do you mean something else
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> it's probably missing things needed for graphical login ... but why do you want to log into the server?
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| 22:56 | <cstk421_> http://postimg.org/image/4v8eigm6h/c4fd98c5/
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| 22:56 | i dont
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| 22:56 | just trying to get to a shell but it always boots to that login screen
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| 22:56 | just SCREEN_06=shell or SCREEN_06=xterm is all thats in the conf
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| 22:56 | <vagrantc> try SCREEN_07=shell
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| 22:56 | <cstk421_> ok
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> setting SCREEN_06 *should* disable the LDM screen, but who knows.
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| 22:57 | <cstk421_> same thing
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| 22:58 | what about 07=xterm ?
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| 22:58 | <vagrantc> essentially, it sets SCREEN_07=ldm if no SCREEN_* are set...
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| 22:58 | <cstk421_> ok
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| 22:58 | <vagrantc> but maybe there's a bug somewhere forcing SCREEN_07=ldm ?
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| 23:00 | set SCREEN_06=shell, switch to tty6 if ldm comes up (ctrl-alt-f6), and maybe run "pstree -a" or something to see which processes are running
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| 23:00 | also see what environment variables are set: set | grep SCREEN
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| 23:00 | <cstk421_> is the command you want me to put in the lts.conf "set SCREEN_06=shell" ?
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> no
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| 23:01 | <cstk421_> sorry
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> SCREEN_06=shell in lts.conf
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| 23:01 | and then switch to tty6, where there should be a shell running.
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| 23:01 | and then run: set | grep SCREEN_
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| 23:01 | <cstk421_> ok
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| 23:02 | wait i dont follow the switch to tty6 portion ?
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| 23:07 | k i got the ltsp8 login but my credentials dont work
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> SCREEN_02 runs on tty2, SCREEN_03 runs on tty3 ... ctrl-alt-f# switches from whatever tty you're on to tty#
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| 23:39 | SCREEN_06=shell should just drop you to a root shell n tty6
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| 23:40 | no login required
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| 23:41 | <cstk421_> been able to get to xterm now
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| 23:41 | this command works from there
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| 23:41 | SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 172.16.0.20
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| 23:41 | but doesnt work when i have it in lts.conf
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| 23:42 | not sure why i cant just get it to rdp to the host and let the user log into windows
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| 23:42 | <vagrantc> so, when you set SCREEN_07=xterm ... it just bring up an xterm, no ubuntu login?
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| 23:43 | <cstk421_> yes
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| 23:43 | this just worked straight from boot SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 -p password 172.16.0.20
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| 23:43 | <vagrantc> and when you set SCREEN_07=shell, it brings up the ubuntu ldm login?
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| 23:43 | <cstk421_> went straight to windows
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| 23:43 | yes sir
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> cstk421_: what went straight to windows?
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| 23:44 | cstk421_: SCREEN_07 is something to put in lts.conf ...
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| 23:44 | <cstk421_> that last string i sent you i put into the lts.conf and rebooted the client and it went straight into windows
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| 23:44 | it worked that time
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| 23:44 | but i dont want to put the credentials in the .conf i want the user to log into windows
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| 23:44 | the --no-auth command doesnt work in the lts.conf
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| 23:44 | <vagrantc> cstk421_: so are you typing "SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 -p password 172.16.0.20" or "xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u cstk422 -p password 172.16.0.20" nto the xterm?
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| 23:45 | ah.
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| 23:45 | <cstk421_> im not typing the screen part in xterm just the xfreerdp part
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| 23:45 | from the lts.conf the whole string with screen works
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| 23:45 | but not without credentials
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| 23:46 | <vagrantc> so in lts.conf: SCREEN_07=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u '' 172.16.0.20
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| 23:46 | does that work?
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| 23:46 | <cstk421_> havent tried with the apostrophe's ill try that now
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| 23:46 | <vagrantc> it matters.
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| 23:46 | <cstk421_> ok
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| 23:47 | no good it defaulted to the ldm client login
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| 23:48 | <vagrantc> this just doesn't make any sense.
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| 23:49 | <cstk421_> yeah not sure
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| 23:49 | <vagrantc> ok, try SCREEN_08=shell
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| 23:49 | <cstk421_> k
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| 23:50 | just so im clear the only lines in the conf is [DEFAULT] and then the screen_08=shell thats it
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| 23:50 | <vagrantc> sounds good.
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| 23:50 | <cstk421_> that went straight to shell
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> what does the output of the command "tty" give?
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| 23:51 | <cstk421_> "/dev/tty8"
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| 23:51 | <vagrantc> ok, good.
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| 23:51 | ok, let's try ... SCREEN_08=xfreerdp -f --ignore-certificate -u '' 172.16.0.20
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| 23:51 | <cstk421_> from the shell right ?
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| 23:52 | <vagrantc> no, in lts.conf
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| 23:52 | and reboot, etc.
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| 23:52 | <cstk421_> oh ok
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| 23:52 | <vagrantc> you have been rebooting after changing lts.conf, yes?
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| 23:52 | <cstk421_> yes sir
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| 23:54 | stopped here http://postimg.org/image/fjhuq0jpp/bf6b741f/
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> ok, that's something...
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| 23:56 | it's probably using upstart, which i'm not very familiar with... this is where ubuntu and debian diverged quite a bit
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| 23:57 | <cstk421_> im definitely not familiar with that. why is that an issue now but in xterm it works fine ?
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> why is it stopping all those services...
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| 23:57 | cstk421_: that's the essential mystery here, isn't it? :)
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| 23:57 | <cstk421_> lol yep
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