IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 September 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> The ltsp.org server had 0% free space and didn't work anymore; I freed up some space and put a banner mentioning the new ltsp and site
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| 09:38 | Ugly banner, I didn't want to brain-switch to HTML again :P
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| 09:44 | <meo> no that works just fine
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| 11:37 | dnsmasq fails on ubuntu 18.04 because of systemd-resolved occupying the port, should I just disable the latter?
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| 11:39 | oh never mind it just does that during package installation
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| 12:07 | <meo> well then, let's try and boot a ws
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| 12:26 | <meo> alright, hyperv uefi boot worked
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| 12:27 | ipxe hangs on an old lenovo desktop but that's probably because the undi firmware hasnt been updated for 10 years
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| 12:43 | <meo> welp, a dell booted just fine
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| 12:43 | sounds works, youtube works, all great
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> meo: download boot.ipxe.org/ipxe.pxe OVER undionly.ipxe
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| 13:49 | *kpxe
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| 13:54 | <meo> alkisg: I'll try to patch the box first
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| 13:54 | I mean it's literally more than a decade old
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| 13:55 | and technically isn't my target platform
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> meo, sure, btw explanation in https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/issues/29
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| 13:55 | <meo> i have a physical Dell box booted and working nicely, so now I need to figure out the customisations I'll need in production
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| 13:55 | thanks, helpful
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| 14:15 | <tbayen> Hi Folks! I think I found a bug (and a solution). What is the best way to draw attention of a developer who can check what I think?
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> tbayen: shoot, which one?
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| 14:16 | <ogra> send beer to alkisg ... with a letter ;)
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> :D
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| 14:16 | <tbayen> Ah. Beer is my very specialty.
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| 14:18 | After upgrading an some years old system (debian squeezy) to debian buster my browser did not have sound any more. I started chromium as a localapp. It seems that the actual ltsp scripts do not give the sound environment to localapps.
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| 14:19 | I now use the debian package ltsp-client 5.18.12-3
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> tbayen: ah, the old ltsp isn't really actively maintained anymore
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| 14:19 | try the new one
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| 14:19 | !install
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| 14:19 | <ltsp> install: To install LTSP19+: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation. To install LTSP5: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 14:20 | <tbayen> My solution is to chnange two lines that do the actual call of the app and add $MY_SOUND to both of them.
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> tbayen: so, you could report the issue to the old ltsp5 bug tracker, but noone would really work on it, or you could use the new ltsp :)
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| 14:25 | <tbayen> Hm. ok. That is like a fork, isn't it? And you are not able to announce that on the original site?
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> tbayen: nope, I'm the main developer, this is the new ltsp, the old one will be removed from debian/ubuntu and the new one will be uploaded, and see the big banner in ltsp.org about it
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| 14:26 | (also, around 50 messages in the ltsp mailing list about it :))
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| 14:27 | It just wasn't ready in time for buster, it will be for bullseye
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| 14:27 | <tbayen> OK. I am working on that for some hours. And I really opened this page lie ten times to look for something. The banner is yellow and red. - I f* did not see it. Hahahaha! Thanks
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| 14:28 | <meo> yeah the ltsp5 vs ltsp 19 really needs to be like in channel /notice or something
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| 14:28 | tbayen: the banner's only been up for a couple of hours
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> To be honest, I uploaded the banner 4-5 hours ago :D
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| 14:28 | After meo pointed it out
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| 14:29 | <tbayen> At the moment I like to stay with the stable buster system. We are doing business with the system and do not like experiments. But good to know. :-) I like to change to the new one with our next internal upgrade cycle.
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| 14:30 | Thanks for doing this work! :-) Especially if you have been also a developer at the old version. LTSP is a great tool and works flawless most of the time.
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> Sure. It's not an experiment though, it's already more stable; but less mature (i.e. more frequent changes)
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| 14:30 | Yes, I've been the main developer for a lot of years now, in the old one too; when the other major developers like ogra left the boat for other places :D
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| 14:32 | <ogra> i'm still a passenger (kind of) i never really left the boat !
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| 14:33 | (but yeah, i stopped working in the engine room a long time ago :)
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| 14:41 | <tbayen> Thanks to explain that.
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| 14:41 | I read your announcement. It answers some of my first questions.
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| 14:41 | Why do you call localapps "deprecated"?
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> Because we only use localapps now
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| 14:42 | It's called "fat clients"
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| 14:45 | (like live cds do, only with remote home and root)
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| 14:50 | <tbayen> OK. Thanks. Sounds like more expensive client devices. I will think about what that means for our company's setup.
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Yes, note that ltsp5 has also been recommending that for 10+ years now
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| 14:53 | as xorg, opengl etc etc don't really focus on the "remote part" anymore, so it's causing a lot of issues that ltsp can't overcome
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| 14:53 | So "fat clients" have the same requirements as "normal clients", except for the disk
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| 19:10 | <meo> alkisg: I gotta say, your bash code is art
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> meo: thanks! :)
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| 19:11 | <meo> :D
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> I loved the "re" trick, it halts execution and tells you which exact command failed
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| 19:11 | Troubleshooting ltsp5 => 1 hour, ltsp19 => 1 minute :)
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| 19:12 | <meo> this should be like a standard framework for complex shell interfaces
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| 23:45 | <dsjii> Is Jim around?
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