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| 05:58 | <cdealer__> hi... by default ltsp5 automaticly recognize localdevs like a pen-drive?
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| 06:06 | its possible to share a printer connected to a client ?
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| 07:15 | <tarzeau> can i set xorg.conf fontpath lines for all ltsp clients somehow, somewhere?
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| 07:35 | <bren> hei, im looking around for some help with getting usb drives working with hal. CD's are mounting perfectly. USB drives are detected but does not mount it. Someting with info.callout.add problem?
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| 09:28 | <cdealer__> why the sound of my client box is playing on the server???
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| 09:41 | <daniQ> cliebow?
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| 09:51 | <cdealer__> please, need some help on this, why the sounds played on the client are playing the sound on the server ? And why some clients arent mounting the pen-drive ?
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| 10:02 | <cdealer__> ogra: the support for password expiration arent working yet... do u know anything about that?
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| 10:03 | <ogra> cdealer__, thats sbalneav's area of work, i never used it
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| 10:03 | i fear you have to wait untl he shows up again
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| 10:09 | <cdealer__> ogra: Hmm ok... can you give me any help on other two problems, the sound from client playing on server and the client arent mounting localdev like cdroms and pen-drives... disket mounts fine
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| 10:10 | <ogra> did you create an lts.conf file ? did you set anything there ?
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| 10:12 | <cdealer__> ogra: yeah, I did set something about SCREEN on the lts.conf inside the tftp folder
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| 10:12 | should I place localdev = true ?
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| 10:12 | <ogra> what exactly ? can you paste the fiel to the pastebin ?
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| 10:12 | !pastebot
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| 10:12 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:15 | <ltsppbot> "cdealer__" pasted "lts.conf" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/425
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| 10:15 | <cdealer__> ogra: its there... only a feel lines
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| 10:17 | <ogra> hmm, with that the sound should properly work
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| 10:17 | can you try dropping everything but the resolution line ?
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| 10:17 | <cdealer__> ogra: but the sound of the client is playing here in the server... I was searching for somethign when from nowhere some jinglebell start playing here LOL
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| 10:18 | <ogra> (and indeed keep the "default"
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| 10:19 | <cdealer__> sure... the shell was only for debbugin anyway... from this file I dont need to remake the kernel image right?
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| 10:19 | <ogra> no
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| 10:20 | o better: yes, you don't need to :)
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| 10:20 | s/o/or/
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| 10:26 | <cdealer__> ogra: I left only the X_MODE line but still cant mount cdroms...
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| 10:31 | <ogra> what about sound and usb keys ?
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| 10:38 | <cdealer__> ogra: pendrive nothing... 2 blinks and nothing else.... Let see the sound now
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| 10:43 | <cdealer__> ogra: a client user is saying that the pen-drive sometimes open and sometimes dont....
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| 10:45 | <cdealer__> ogra1: a client user is saying that the pen-drive sometimes open and sometimes dont....
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| 10:45 | <cdealer__> the sound played on the client isnt playing on the server anymore
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| 10:46 | <ogra1> grep DISPLAY /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 10:46 | if you run that on the server, does it return anything ?
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| 10:54 | <warren> lns, cool, I pointed your bug to our openoffice.org maintainer and he might have already fixed it
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| 10:57 | <cdealer__> ogra1: it returns env['DISPLAY'] = 'localhost:10.0'
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| 10:58 | <ogra1> ok
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| 10:58 | edit /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter (with sudo) and remove that line from the script
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| 10:59 | then the usb keys should mount fine everywhere
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| 11:05 | <cdealer__> ogra1: okay, will reboot the client to see
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| 11:21 | <cdealer__> ogra1: okay, pendrive and diskets are ok ... sound I will make some bettrer testes
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| 12:28 | <cdealer__> ogra1: is there any way to change the login screen to show the login and password field in the same screen ?
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> cdealer__: not any simple way
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| 12:30 | <cdealer__> vagrantc: hey ... good you show up... I think was you that ogra said to talk about password expiration ....
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| 12:30 | <ogra1> cdealer__, vagrantc != sbalneav
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| 12:30 | <cdealer__> ogra1: oh, right, my mistake
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| 12:30 | <ogra1> :)
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| 12:34 | <cdealer__> ogra1: i think you are programming to much .. haha ... before you said s/o/or now you used != ... ;P
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| 12:34 | <ogra1> heh
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| 12:35 | yeah, that happens over time :)
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| 12:35 | <laga> ogra1: have you guys ever considered using aufs instead of unionfs?
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| 12:36 | <ogra1> not really
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| 12:36 | unionfs is in the ubuntu kernel and used for liveCDs while aufs is still very young and not used anywhere ...
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| 12:37 | i actually like to rely on the power of our kernel maintainers who rather focus on unionfs than on integrating aufs better .... if that ever happens i might think about it for ubuntu
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| 12:37 | <laga> it's used by knoppix and also available in the debian installer
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| 12:37 | <ogra1> but that indeed doesnt mean that i wouldnt accept patches to make it work ;)
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| 12:38 | <laga> ogra1: that's the point :) i've found that aufs works much better than unionfs with nfs branches. i'll try to get it added to the hardy kernel
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| 12:38 | <ogra1> laga, you wont
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| 12:38 | <laga> reasons?
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| 12:39 | <ogra1> the hardy kernel is pretty much at a point where it wont add new features
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| 12:39 | <laga> ogra1: maybe they'll make an exception for l-u-m
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| 12:39 | <ogra1> hardy is an LTS release ... it will be supported for 3 years on the desktop and for 5 on the server
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| 12:39 | that means we need to be *extremely* conservative
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| 12:39 | <laga> that'd explain why unionfs is still version 1.4
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| 12:40 | <ogra1> no
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| 12:40 | unionfs is still 1.4 because 2.x is simply broken
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| 12:40 | <laga> with apparmor at least :)
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| 12:40 | <ogra1> no, apparmor cant handle stacked filesystems at all
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| 12:40 | that not unionfs specific
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| 12:40 | *that's
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| 12:41 | aufs will likely expose the same problems
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| 12:41 | (with apparmor at least)
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| 12:41 | <laga> how is this worked around?
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| 12:41 | <ogra1> on the liveCD apparmor doesnt start
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| 12:41 | <laga> oh. nifty.
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| 12:41 | <ogra1> in ltsp we dont install apparmor
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| 12:42 | i'm not aware odf any other unionfs based setups ubuntu has atm
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| 12:42 | <laga> i'll have to re-visit unionfs then.
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| 12:42 | when i tried it two weeks ago, the fat client would stall after log-in
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| 12:42 | if it got that far.
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| 12:43 | <ogra1> well, does it have enough ram ?
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| 12:43 | dotn forget you need a lot for a fat client
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| 12:43 | <laga> yep, i think so.
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| 12:43 | <ogra1> and surely you will run into other probs as well
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| 12:43 | <laga> 500M ought to be enough :)
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| 12:43 | <ogra1> not really
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| 12:43 | you run the whole desktop locally
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| 12:44 | <laga> ogra1: i was not using tmpfs. my cow branch was a nfs share
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| 12:44 | <ogra1> that eats likely 3-400 for normal operation
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| 12:44 | ah
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| 12:44 | <laga> i also remember seeing unionfs related OOPSes.
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| 12:45 | <ogra1> unionfs and nfs dont go together
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| 12:45 | dont waste your time others have proven that several times :)
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| 12:45 | <laga> given the bad experience we had with unionfs during the gutsy cycle i just didn't bother reporting it :)
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| 12:45 | <ogra1> ??
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| 12:45 | <laga> ogra1: others have proven several times that it does work. with older versions of unionfs at least.
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| 12:45 | <ogra1> what bad experience did you have ?
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| 12:46 | * ogra1 didnt have any | |
| 12:46 | <laga> ogra1: unionfs broke the live disks. it was resolved before gutsy was released but it was bad enough :)
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| 12:47 | i believe it was related to apparmor somehow. i don't remember the exact details because i never thought i'd need it again.
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| 12:47 | <ogra1> nah
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| 12:47 | not related to apparmor
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| 12:47 | <laga> good.
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| 12:47 | <ogra1> thats what you mean ... now i remember
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| 12:48 | i didnt pay much attention to the breakage since i knew before we would switch back
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| 12:48 | it was only a test
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| 12:48 | <laga> unionfs 2.x, right?
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| 12:48 | <ogra1> right
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| 12:49 | <laga> :)
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| 12:49 | <ogra1> but with the pre-announce "we know it will likely break"
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| 12:49 | <laga> must have missed that back then :)
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| 12:51 | ok. i can't use unionfs because it breaks with NFS and i can't aufs unless mythbuntu comes with a special diskless-kernel. makes me wonder if i want to postpone this project to hardy+1
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> why do you need a special diskless kernel?
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| 12:53 | <laga> vagrantc: by "diskless-kernel", i was referring to a kernel patched to support aufs
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> laga: ah.
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| 12:54 | <laga> wonder if could cannibalize nbdswapd to provide copy-on-write space to clients
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> surely
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| 12:56 | <laga> turning that into persistent storage might be a wee bit harder.
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| 13:06 | <laga> ogra1: oh. looks like there might be a fix for unionfs in l-u-m. there might be hope :)
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| 13:06 | <ogra1> i doubt it, but feel free to prove me wrong ;)
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| 13:07 | <laga> bah :)
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> otavio: available for an upload?
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| 15:37 | <otavio> vagrantc: sure ..
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> otavio: great. i want to do a little testing of it, but i think it's ready
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| 16:04 | otavio: and then the only one left will be ldm :)
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| 16:15 | <kaos01> hi, im having troube geting ltsp 4.2 to recognise my Intel 82566 Ethernet card
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| 16:15 | anyone any ideas ?
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> kaos01: you might have to download the driver from intel, compile against the ltsp 4.2 kernel, and pull it into the initrd
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| 16:18 | <kaos01> a linux specific driver ?
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| 16:18 | <Gadi> intel does have them
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| 16:18 | what problem are you having
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| 16:18 | <kaos01> ok, thank you
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| 16:18 | i give it a go :)
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| 16:18 | oh its not recognising the network card
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| 16:18 | <Gadi> does it not recognize the card at all?
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| 16:18 | <kaos01> no
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| 16:19 | <Gadi> you may need only to modify the "niclist" in the initrd
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| 16:19 | or pass as a kernel argument: NIC=<driver>
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| 16:19 | do you know what driver it takes?
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| 16:20 | <kaos01> no not yet
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> ah, ok - LTSP4.2's initrd has a list of known drivers for particular PCI IDs
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| 16:21 | of course, its a bit dated
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| 16:21 | :)
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| 16:21 | could be you have the driver and just need to tell the initrd to load it
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| 16:21 | bec its not in the list
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| 16:21 | thats where: NIC=<driver> comes in
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| 16:22 | <kaos01> yes i used NIC=tg3 previously
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| 16:22 | is bec the driver ?
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> if, however, it is a card for which there is no driver in the initrd, you have to get it in there
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| 16:22 | <kaos01> ok
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> tg3 is a broadcom driver
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| 16:22 | no?
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| 16:22 | <kaos01> yes
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> ah, so have you tried NIC=tg3?
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| 16:23 | (I thought you said this was Intel)
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| 16:23 | <kaos01> oh i meant i used that previously, this time my ethernet card has changed to intel 82566
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> ah
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| 16:23 | <kaos01> yes, this time its Intell :) sorry
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> ok, so similar story
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| 16:24 | unless the driver is not there or needs updating
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| 16:25 | vagrantc: are you hacking ldm or merely repackaging it?
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> Gadi: just relatively minor changes
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| 16:27 | <Gadi> anything yummy?
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> Gadi: fedora wants some things in different places than we've been putting them in debian and ubuntu
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> ah, not yummy at all
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> nothing to impressive, no
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i did my first ltspfs upload directly to debian yesterday :)
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| 16:28 | <kaos01> Gadi, where do i find the driver "list" ?
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> kaos01: its in the initrd
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> called 'niclist'
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| 16:29 | vagrantc: nice
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| 16:30 | <kaos01> Gadi, i can only see initramfs
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> sorry - I meant initramfs
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| 16:30 | you say tomato, I say tomato...
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| 16:50 | <kaos01> how do i go about comiling the driver with the ltsp kernel ?
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| 16:51 | if i chroot to the ltsp directory, make is not available
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#ltsp_kernel_kit
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> otavio: upload email sent
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| 22:30 | <kyron> ok, so I'm taking the jump (yikes!) I want to go from ltsp42 to ltsp5.. can't seem to find basic documentation such as "just copy over your lts.conf file" ... ;)
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| 22:42 | <loather-work> it's a big jump
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| 22:46 | <kyron> really?
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| 22:46 | that much... :/ I decided I would do this on a whim, just now...at ¼ to 0h00 ;)
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| 22:49 | loather-work, surprised there isn't a 4.2 to 5 howto or notes hanging around ;)
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| 22:50 | <loather-work> yeah... there really isn't any straightforward way to do it. it's almost like starting over from scratch.
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| 22:50 | a lot of the lts.conf directives are the same, though
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| 22:50 | but now it's not included in the chroot (which isn't even a chroot anymore).
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| 22:51 | <kyron> hmm... but...I don't want to read those 1050 e-mails from the ltsp-users list ;)
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| 22:51 | not a chroot anymore huh...hmmm
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| 22:52 | <loather-work> yeah. it's an image that's served over NBD.
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| 22:52 | (no more NFS).
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| 22:52 | <kyron> O_o!!!>
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| 22:52 | oh crap
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| 22:52 | uhm...uhm...
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| 22:53 | that might mean I need some server side modifications..
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| 22:53 | <loather-work> Quite a few, yes
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| 22:54 | <kyron> Arglfuddoh!
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| 22:54 | <loather-work> My advice is that if 4.2 is working OK for you, and you don't plan on doing any upgrades to the server, stick with it until you upgrade
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| 22:55 | <kyron> well it seems to have died due to a #@$%@# Gentoo upgrade imposed by a GLSA on LTSP-4.2 (it basically overwrote the fixes I had made stabilizing the install)...gnat!
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| 22:55 | (ok...so this is not prod environment... it's my GF about to kill me because she can't access the term at the moment)
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| 22:55 | and I was about to migrate the prod environment at the U for 5...so this is a good test ;)
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| 22:56 | loather-work, is there a "checklist" somewhere for the server-side mods?
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| 22:56 | by any incredible chance^
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| 22:56 | <loather-work> GLSA?
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| 22:57 | there isn't really a checklist.. but on the wiki there is a howto for 5. Your best bet, from what I understand, is using ubuntu as the base and creating your image there.
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| 22:57 | i hacked together ubuntu for the runtime on the terminals plus fedora 7 in one installation i did
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| 22:58 | still using NFS
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| 22:58 | <dberkholz> don't blame gentoo for your lack of backups =P
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| 22:59 | <kyron> well, my server is Gentoo and it has no choice to remain as such...I was hoping the link on the wiki lead to a "functional" LTSP image that I could just dump into /opt and tweak the dnsmasq config files
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| 22:59 | dberkholz, Ah crap!
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| 22:59 | you found me
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| 23:00 | well... the problem I hit is that a recent upgrade rendered the term useless. As soon as my GF logs onto the term, something makes it go crazy and X goes into a cyclic restart
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| 23:01 | dberkholz, quite frankly, don't need to backup a "static" system image...usually ;)
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| 23:01 | <dberkholz> unless you change it, in which case it's no longer static as installed...
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| 23:02 | <kyron> I love you :P
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| 23:02 | <dberkholz> anyhow, if you're using ltsp 5 go with ubuntu or debian
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| 23:03 | <kyron> a home computer is meant to make mistakes (ok, not when you're cramming to finish writing up that damned paper)
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| 23:03 | <dberkholz> i'm sort of working on gentoo, slowly
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| 23:03 | <kyron> dberkholz, you mean as base system right?
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| 23:03 | dberkholz, yeah, I know about that ;)
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| 23:03 | base=for terms
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| 23:03 | <dberkholz> if you're really a gentoo fanatic, you could stick the ubuntu in a chroot
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| 23:04 | <kyron> dberkholz, starge 3&
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| 23:04 | ?
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| 23:04 | <dberkholz> kyron: well, with ltsp 5 things are a bit more integrated wrt server and clients. it's not just dropping in a huge pile of crap.
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| 23:04 | you might want to read a bit on the wiki
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| 23:05 | <loather-work> i still need to fully integrate it into fedora.
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| 23:05 | i think someone started workign on it
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| 23:05 | <dberkholz> loather-work: fwiw, GLSA = gentoo linux security announcement
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| 23:05 | <kyron> dberkholz, yeah, so I am learning...hence my asking about a checklist
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| 23:05 | <loather-work> oh, right.
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| 23:06 | <kyron> dberkholz, the irony is that LTSP wasn't in my world file...so I'm a little miffed as to how it got "updated"
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| 23:11 | but what about the tarballs at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
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| 23:12 | aren't those "functionnal" ?
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| 23:12 | <loather-work> the 6.x one is
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| 23:12 | the 7.x one i had numerous issues with
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| 23:12 | mainly the fact that it, oh, wouldn't boot
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| 23:12 | <kyron> I got the `ubuntu_6.10_i386`
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| 23:13 | <loather-work> that one works out of box as an nfs chroot
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| 23:13 | <loather-work> anyhow, time for me to lose the -work
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| 23:13 | bbl.
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| 23:14 | <kyron> loather-work, thanks... I'll dig further, that is what I wanted it to do ;)
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| 23:26 | <kyron> Garrrrrrhhhh!...be damned NFS!
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| 23:51 | <kyron> Wohooooo!... it works! ;) ...hehe, thanks for the tarballs ubuntu ;)
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| 23:57 | Hey...where'd the lts.conf documentation go?
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| 23:59 | <nikok> hi, i have nowadays a fully working ltsp environment, next thing is adding a printer to it, i was wondering, do i need a print server or does it work in clients if i just plug the printer to the server, i mean, can clients then print via server?
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| 23:59 | sry for my english
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