IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:58 | <try2free> hi
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| 02:58 | can someone help some of my computer not recognize sound card. how to enable it?
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| 03:21 | <try2free> hi alkisg
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| 03:22 | <alkisg> hi
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| 03:32 | <alkisg> stgraber, ping?
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| 03:37 | <try2free> alkisg: can you help me, i have problem with some of our computers soundcard
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| 03:38 | <alkisg> try2free: I don't know what module your card needs. But why don't you try in #ubuntu to find the module, so then you can put it in the chroot?
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| 03:39 | <try2free> alkisg: i don't understand with module and chroot, how to do that?
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| 03:40 | alkisg: first how to find? command?
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| 03:40 | <alkisg> try2free: I mean that you need to split your problem in 2 steps
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| 03:40 | <alkisg> 1. Find the module that your card needs. That is not LTSP related.
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| 03:40 | So, you can ask in #ubuntu or google for your card.
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| 03:40 | <alkisg> 2. When you have found the module, then put it in the chroot.
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| 03:41 | For (2), I can help you, but you need to do (1) before that.
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| 03:41 | <try2free> i can identify one of my machine is Intel Corp 82801EB AC'97
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| 03:41 | <alkisg> and?
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| 03:42 | <try2free> alkisg: for (2) how to do that?
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> try2free: you're still in (1).
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| 03:42 | <try2free> alkisg: ok, so i must find that sound card module first
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| 03:42 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 03:43 | I mean, that you should first be able to get it working in a normal installation and _then_ try to get it working under ltsp...
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| 03:43 | if you don't know the correct module, then ltsp won't be able to make your card work
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| 03:44 | <try2free> alkisg: but how to find out the module is correct?
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| 03:44 | <alkisg> try2free: you can ask in #ubuntu. More people there, one of them might have your card. Or, you can google for it.
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| 03:44 | Don't expect people here to know all the modules about all the hardware...
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| 03:45 | <try2free> can i skip number (1) and ask how to do number (2)?
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| 03:48 | <alkisg> try2free: sure. The answer is in the docs, chapter 12.
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| 03:48 | "Chapter 12. Modules and startup scripts"
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| 03:49 | <try2free> alkisg: ok, tq
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| 03:49 | <alkisg> yw
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| 03:50 | http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#modules-scripts
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| 03:51 | <try2free> alkisg: ok, you'r very helpfull
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| 03:51 | <alkisg> try2free: what version do you use? if you use an older one like hardy, it's possible that a new one may contain the drivers for your card, without the need for you to install any modules
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| 04:16 | <try2free> alkisg: you right i am using hardy
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| 04:33 | <sunru> hello, does anyone know about the sunrays? are they usable?
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| 04:39 | <ogra_> sunru, nope
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| 04:39 | (meaning they arent)
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| 04:39 | <sunru> ok so just hp's and wyse ?
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| 04:39 | * ogra_ would reccommend disklessworkstations.com clients ... but HP or wyse should work as well | |
| 04:40 | <sunru> I refering to dedicated thinclient hw.
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| 04:40 | * ogra_ too | |
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| 04:41 | upgrade my script
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| 04:41 | starting to get death threats via email :-)
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| 04:42 | <ogra_> ouch
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| 04:43 | <nubae> if u dont make fat client work jaunty , I'll show u just how fat your face can get....
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| 04:43 | ;-)
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| 04:43 | <ogra_> tell him now you wont because his tone has taken all your fun on upgrading :P
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| 04:47 | <sunru> gee firefox still sux.
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| 04:48 | <sunru> iceweasel whatever :), still have to shut it down after a day or 2.
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| 04:49 | * sunru wants another few t537? | |
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| 04:49 | <ogra_> which version are you using ? 3.0 and 3.5 work decently here
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| 04:49 | <sunru> oh yeh i'm running sid here.
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| 04:50 | <ogra_> well, that should have a 3.5 build, shouldnt it ?
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| 04:50 | * ogra_ runs karmic so cant tell much about iceweasle | |
| 04:51 | <sunru> hmm
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| 04:51 | I haven't seen these ltsp thin clients on hp's site?
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| 04:52 | <ogra_> which ones ?
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| 04:54 | <sunru> http://www.disklessworkstations.com/
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| 04:55 | <ogra_> they being HP partner doesnt mean they sell HP stuff :)
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| 04:55 | but if you buy there, parts of the money fund LTSP development
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| 04:56 | disklessworkstations is one of the backing companies behind LTSP
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| 04:56 | beyond that the clients get all tested with all LTSP implementations of all distros
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| 04:57 | (well, at least i'm sure about ubuntu, debian and fedora, not so sure they test with kiwi-ltsp on suse)
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| 04:57 | <sunru> ok
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| 04:58 | LTSP products.
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| 04:58 | <ogra_> yeah :)
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| 04:58 | <sunru> probably HP helped out with manufacture/design etc?
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| 04:58 | * sunru is curious | |
| 04:59 | <ogra_> night be that there are debranded HP boards in some
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| 04:59 | <sunru> oh ic
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| 04:59 | <ogra_> _UsUrPeR_ would know, he works there
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| 04:59 | <sunru> ok thanks for the info.
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| 04:59 | <ogra_> but likely isnt up yet
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| 07:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> sunry: hello?
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| 07:05 | err sunru: hello
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| 07:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra_: for the record, we have atom and via-based thinclients
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| 07:09 | not really sure what HP is using...
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| 07:15 | <ogra__> well, you have the HP partner logo on the page
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> stgraber: ping?
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| 08:15 | <stgraber> alkisg: pong (will have to leave soon though)
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| 08:20 | <stgraber> alkisg1: pong (will have to leave soon though)
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| 08:21 | <alkisg> stgraber: why did you put -n (=stop if you don't get a lease) to the udhcpc call?
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| 08:21 | It works better without it
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| 08:22 | and, the only communication we get with the "outside world" is from /conf/param.conf, right?
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| 08:22 | <stgraber> probably used that when developping the script, what's the behavior without it ? trying again ?
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> Yes, after waiting 1 minute (that's what the specs say)
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| 08:23 | <stgraber> /conf/param.conf is sourced afterwards so that's the only easy way to send a value to the next initramfs scripts
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> OK. vagrantc had make a script to read BOOTIF to get the correct $DEVICE (it may not be eth0). It uses ifconfig to locate the interface, is that OK or should I change it to use `ip`?
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| 08:25 | <stgraber> ifconfig isn't part of the initramfs
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> I think it is, at least that's what I remember from trying it last week
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| 08:26 | stgraber: ok, I'll change it to use `ip`.
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| 08:27 | And a last question, is the waiting for 'link up' and the initialization (ip link set eth0 up) needed? I think udhcpc takes care of that as well...
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| 08:28 | (and, if a static IP is used, then it can be set even when the link is down... - at least I think so)
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| 08:28 | <stgraber> IIRC I had issue with that and so had to do it but please check, if we can get rid of it that's great
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> OK, thanks a lot.
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| 08:29 | <stgraber> anyway, got to go now, see you a bit later
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:11 | <rjune_wrk> !s
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| 09:11 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:11 | <Lumiere> !s too!
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| 09:11 | <ltspbot> Lumiere: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
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| 09:11 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> Lumiere: I don't think it wants the extra stuff on then end.
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| 09:14 | <Lumiere> I know
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| 12:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: pingerson?
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| 12:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: when you get a moment, this configure-x.sh script is giving me issues. It seems to stop the TC from booting, and I can't switch screens to a shell. The lower half of the elo touch flashes blue every 15 seconds or so.
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> well, thats yucky
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| 12:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah :/
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| 12:45 | * vagrantc is fighting with mysterious random crashing application servers | |
| 12:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> also: not seeing any effects unless I use configure_x = true. Does that make sense?
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc> and it's giving diskless terminals a bad rap :(
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> seems like the computers are ready for the holiday weekend
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| 12:47 | _UsUrPeR_: it could - I have to have a better peak at the code
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| 12:47 | *peek
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| 12:47 | man, my spelling is ready for the weekend too
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> sure. what portion? Is there something you need from me?
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: $chroot/usr/share/ltsp/screen_session.d/
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| 12:48 | er, screen-session.d
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| 12:48 | thats where all the magic happens
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| 12:48 | <rjune_wrk> !g
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| 12:48 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: have you installed any of the evdev packages or anything?
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| 12:48 | * Gadi waves to rjune_wrk | |
| 12:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: negative.
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: are you gonna use the elotouch or the evrouch driver?
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| 12:49 | *evtouch
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| 12:50 | I think you need to install one of them
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| 12:50 | actually, hold that
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| 12:50 | maybe not
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> using USB, it seems to detect everything ok
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> it's just upside-down and a smaler resolution
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> can you boot up without configure_x=true and check what modules its loading and using
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| 12:50 | (lsmod, and Xorg.7.log)
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> sure
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| 12:50 | gonna take a sec
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> installing openssh on client to get info off
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> you're hoping to get the client off with openssh?
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| 13:01 | man, you've got some weird clientele
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| 13:01 | * Lns shakes his head at Gadi | |
| 13:01 | * Gadi hangs his head in shame | |
| 13:01 | <rjune_wrk> Gadi: only you would come up with terminal porn
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| 13:02 | <johnny> and Gadi strikes again
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| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> specifically the info, not the clients themselves
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:02 | actually, terminal porn's as old as ascii art
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| 13:02 | <rjune_wrk> I don't want to know.
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| 13:02 | <Lns> ascii stupid question, get a stupid ansi
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> oy
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| 13:03 | * CAN-o-SPAM hires "professional" help for the LTSP Team | |
| 13:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> so... uhmm... gimme a second... anyway
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: take as much time as you need...
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| 13:03 | ;)
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| 13:04 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM, professional is soooo not irc =p
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| 13:04 | <CAN-o-SPAM> I heard a rumor bill gates comes into this channel once and awhile
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| 13:04 | He's planning for Windows 7.5
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> looking for ascii art
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| 13:04 | why do you think he doesnt need more than 64K?
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| 13:05 | <Lns> don't you mean Windows 7 SP2?
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| 13:05 | <CAN-o-SPAM> no 7.5 ... it's half as good as 7
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| 13:05 | <Lns> lol
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| 13:05 | * CAN-o-SPAM thinks Gadi's trying to sabotage my work ... | |
| 13:05 | <Lns> but it's the best windows EVER!
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| 13:05 | <CAN-o-SPAM> UsUrPeR just brought down the network
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| 13:05 | <hgrover> Hi everyone, I'm looking for help with an LTSP problem--on thin client boot, all we get is a blinking cursor on a black screen. We traced it back to NBD, and restarting nbd fixes the problem. Does anyone know a permanent fix for this?
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> liez!
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> nice
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> >_>
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| 13:06 | <Lns> !dist
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| 13:06 | <ltspbot> Lns: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 13:06 | <Lns> hgrover, ^^^ :)
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| 13:06 | <hgrover> we're running jaunty on everything
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> hgrover: you should not be running nbd as a daemon
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| 13:06 | it is run out of inetd
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| 13:07 | in other words, you should never use the phrase "I restarted nbd"
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| 13:07 | <hgrover> haha, alright
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| 13:08 | <Lns> in soviet russia, nbd restarts you!
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| 13:17 | * CAN-o-SPAM thanks OO.org Document Recovery & FireFox Restore Session | |
| 13:18 | <Gadi> Lumiere: ping
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| 13:20 | <Lumiere> hi?
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| 13:20 | Gadi: pong?
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> Lumiere: !!
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| 13:20 | hgrover tells me you're a friend of his
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| 13:21 | :)
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| 13:21 | <hgrover> gadi is helping me with the blinking cursor, lumiere
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> any friend of hgrover is a friend of mine
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| 13:21 | <Lumiere> lol hi henry :)
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| 13:21 | * Lumiere is sitting in a car dealership | |
| 13:21 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:21 | hehe
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| 13:21 | <Lumiere> Gadi: good luck :)
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| 13:22 | hgrover is one of my projects ^^
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> he tells me you speak of a known bug in jaunty with nbd-server
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| 13:22 | <Lumiere> I had heard about in here some bugs... but I am not really surprised
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| 13:22 | Gadi: that mean that ogra is the one to ask about it?
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> heh
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| 13:22 | <hgrover> ogra told me to contact stgraber, who doesn't know about it either
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| 13:23 | <ogra> bus ?
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> ogras up to his elbows in ARMs atm
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| 13:23 | <ogra> there are no bugs :P
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| 13:23 | <Lumiere> lol hi ogra
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> and he doesn't know from bugs
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| 13:23 | * Lns raises his hand ;) | |
| 13:23 | <ogra> get frogs...
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| 13:23 | they eat flys and bugs
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| 13:23 | <hgrover> phone, brb
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| 13:23 | <Lumiere> hgrover: maybe it is something we need to look at monday when things start up for real? :)
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| 13:23 | <Lns> i was reminded yesterday about the nbd_swap issue when booting multiple clients, killing the servers' entropy during 'dd' creation of swapfiles in /tmp
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> Lumiere: just because ur in a car dealership, doesnt mean you can start talking trash
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| 13:24 | :P
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| 13:24 | <Lns> causing other clients to miss their dhcp request on boot
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| 13:24 | and others hanging a looooooooooong time on 'Negotiation:" (creating swapfile on server)
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| 13:24 | <hgrover> yes lns, that's it!
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| 13:24 | <Lns> heh =p
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> well, thats an easy fix
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| 13:25 | force the server to use pseudo-random number generators
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| 13:25 | or hardware number generator
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| 13:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: ok, distracted for a moment there. All set now
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| 13:26 | what do you need from the data I just pulled down?
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> hgrover: try installing the rng-tools package on the server
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have all screen-session.d files and the Xorg.7.log
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> lol
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| 13:27 | _UsUrPeR_: paste the log file
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| 13:27 | <Lns> Gadi, would installing rng-tools substitute what nbd is doing automatically?
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| 13:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> rgr
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> Lns: shall I give you an entropy primer?
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| 13:27 | :)
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| 13:27 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> I was a math major
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| 13:27 | :)
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| 13:27 | and a EE
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| 13:27 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "For gadi - Xorg.7.log" (1025 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/395
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| 13:28 | <Lns> Gadi, well i understand it *kind of* from the firefox 3 issues w/ltsp long ago
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| 13:28 | <ogra> Lns, move /tmp to a tmpfs ;)
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> we can talk about Gibbs Free Energy
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| 13:28 | <Lns> ogra, ha!
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> entropy is the level of disorder in a system
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> computers tend to not have much entropy at all
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| 13:29 | naturally
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| 13:29 | as they deal with ordered sets of info
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| 13:29 | <Lns> http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20081104_pg1.html
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| 13:29 | <CAN-o-SPAM> microsoft disk defrag says differently
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| 13:30 | <jrock2004> Is it possible to create a whitlelist of sites that are able to be viewed and only those sites?
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> yet, when you need random numbers, you need randomness, aka, disorder
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| 13:30 | so, you look for sources of disorder
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| 13:30 | which tend to be sensor data
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| 13:30 | <ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, so you are outing yourself as a microsoft beliver, AHA !
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> the random intervals between things, static, etc
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| 13:31 | <Lns> Gadi, inputdev, ... =)
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| 13:31 | which an ltsp server would have little of
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> the linux kernel grabs most from mouse movements, keyboard strokes, and interrupt timings on disks
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| 13:31 | correct
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| 13:31 | <Lns> which would make a lot of sense when you need multiple instances of lots of entropy from clients and the server itself has very little going on
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> now, from there youhave 2 options
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| 13:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: I'm what we would identify as a fence rider
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> use a pseudo-rng
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| 13:31 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:32 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: ltsp -> rdesktop all day :)
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> which uses a formula to produce "randomness"
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| 13:32 | <ogra> haha
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> OR, if your motherboarrd has a hardware RNG, you can populate the queue with real random bits
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| 13:32 | thats what rng-tools does
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| 13:32 | and many servers have a hardware RNG
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| 13:33 | for just that purpose
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| 13:33 | <Lns> mine don't :(
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| 13:33 | <jrock2004> Is it possible to create a whitlelist of sites that are able to be viewed and only those sites?
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: looks like you use evdev (predictable) and it correctly picks up the device
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| 13:34 | <Lns> Gadi, so what your'e saying is that if one installs the psuedo-rng tools, it will take the place of what nbd_swap creation is doing with no further configuration?
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> now, lets find a way to calibrate
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| 13:34 | Lns: not exactly
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| 13:34 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jrock2004: i believe your anwser is yes, but i cannot give u any further info
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> if the problem is that the server runs out of entropy,
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| 13:34 | it means the process that requires the entropy is using /dev/random
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| 13:35 | <ogra> Gadi, evdev doesnt know about touchscreens that are not usbtouchscreen ... no chance to calibrate that
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> which produces real random bits from the kernel
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| 13:35 | the problem is that when /dev/random runs out of bits
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| 13:35 | <ogra> its will always configure a mouse (see Xorg.*.log)
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> it makes the process wait until it gets more
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| 13:35 | it is "blocking"
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| 13:35 | so, you either need to feed it more bits constantly
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| 13:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> If it counts for anything: I have never wanted to calibrate anything more in my entire life.
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> (with a hardware rng + rng-tools)
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| 13:36 | <jrock2004> CAN-o-SPAM: what would you like to know
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> OR you need to get the process to use /dev/urandom
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| 13:36 | which supplies pseudo-random bits in a nonblocking way
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| 13:36 | <jrock2004> CAN-o-SPAM: My users should not see sites like CNN or Youtube. I want to make a list of company appoved sites
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| 13:37 | CAN-o-SPAM: if the site is not on the list do not allow it to work
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| 13:37 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jrock2004: i'm the least tech in here ... but i think what you need is some sort of firewall to create your whitelist. A blacklist is no good if your users know how to spell p-r-o-x-y
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| 13:38 | <jrock2004> CAN-o-SPAM: These guys are not that smart and if he is caught he will be fired immediately
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| 13:38 | <ogra> jrock2004, thats not ltsp specific, you want a proxy server
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| 13:38 | jrock2004, dansguardian or squidguard
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| 13:38 | <jrock2004> ogra: Ok I was not sure if LTSP had something for that
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> ogra: shall _UsUrPeR_ switch to evtouch?
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| 13:38 | <ogra> ltsp has nothing to do with that, no
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| 13:38 | <Lns> Gadi, hmm, maybe one could simply try by s/random/urandom on the necessary ltsp scripts?
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| 13:38 | <ogra> its software to make thin clients run, nothing more :)
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| 13:39 | <Lns> I believe that was the same thing that the FF team did
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| 13:39 | at least in part
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| 13:39 | <ogra> Gadi, only if the touchscreen is supported by it
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> Lns: or you could: rm /dev/random; ln -s /dev/urandom /dev/random
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| 13:39 | ;)
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| 13:39 | <ogra> Gadi, i would suggest using the driver he knows works and configure it with a static xorg.conf
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> ogra: which is evdev?
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| 13:40 | <Lns> Gadi, really? That won't jack anything else up?
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| 13:40 | <ogra> Gadi, huh ? for touchscreens ?
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> ogra: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/395
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| 13:41 | <ogra> Gadi, i thought _UsUrPeR_ said something different this morning
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> Lns: it will just make everything use pseudo-random
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| 13:41 | ogra: thats what jaunty does by default
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| 13:42 | (the paste)
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| 13:42 | <ogra> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "EloTouchSystems,Inc Elo TouchSystems 2216 AccuTouch? USB Touchmonitor Interface" (type: MOUSE)
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| 13:42 | see the last bracket :)
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:42 | <ogra> dont belive jaunty if it comes to touchscreens
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| 13:42 | i didnt have time to fix it :)
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| 13:42 | <CAN-o-SPAM> and all this time i thought we could trust computers more ...
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| 13:43 | * ogra hopes he has the time for karmic ... at least the spec is high prio now | |
| 13:43 | <Gadi> but for now, he can create an input device for it with, say, the elotouch driver
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| 13:43 | or some such
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| 13:43 | thats prolly the only way
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| 13:43 | <ogra> no, you create an xorg.conf
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> hal's not gonna help him here
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| 13:44 | and put what inside of it?
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| 13:44 | <ogra> and point to thet input device with the elotouch driver
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> thats what I said
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| 13:44 | <ogra> right
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| 13:44 | i just said it better :P
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> well, sure
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| 13:44 | * ogra hides | |
| 13:44 | <Gadi> english is your second language
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| 13:44 | :)
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| 13:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> heh
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| 13:44 | <Lns> Gadi, I hear about things using urandom instead of random, and that it's a big security risk for some things that truly need randomness (i'd guess things like encryption, etc.).. would you say this is an OK solution?
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> Lns: security is a spectrum
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| 13:45 | <ogra> man elotouch should show you possible xorg.conf values for calibration
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:45 | if you care about security, get a hardware rng
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| 13:45 | :)
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| 13:45 | <Lns> heh...good point
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| 13:45 | hmm, wait though
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| 13:45 | i also remember the server itself lagging completely when this occurs
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| 13:46 | at the server console that is...can't move mouse, can't type, like it's locked up
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| 13:46 | would that be related?
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> well, then, are you sure it is entropy that has you down?
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| 13:46 | <Lns> well, maybe you could move mouse
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| 13:46 | maybe :)
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| 13:47 | i recall something regarding trying kernel options and the filesystem
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| 13:47 | argh
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| 13:48 | elevator=...
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| 13:48 | i/o scheduling
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| 13:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra/gadi: I have calibration figures from etyack that worked previously in ltsp 4.2
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| 13:49 | <rjune_wrk> Gadi: security is a journey
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| 13:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> i.e. minx miny maxx maxy
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: let me see if I can whip up something quick for you
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| 13:50 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, right, man elotouch should show the corresponding xorg.conf options
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> do you guys want me to paste those?
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> sure
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 13:50 | <Lns> Gadi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/281498 is the bug i was working on with this issue
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| 13:50 | <akSeya> client boots, and gives a bunch of errors, the first is Skipping /dev/mtab initialization (ro root?) ... *You must be root to do this .. then *Mounting local filesystems ... can't create lock file /etc/mtab~4352: Read-only file system (use -n flag to override) * some filesystem failed to mount
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| 13:51 | looks like all errors are about read-only filesystem
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| 13:51 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "calibration figures" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/396
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| 13:51 | <akSeya> i'm using gentoo.. and followed this guide: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/LTSP
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| 13:51 | <akSeya> ps.: not using unionfs
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| 13:52 | any idea on what am i missing? :(
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| 13:53 | <ogra> akSeya, johnny is the gentoo guy here
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| 13:53 | <akSeya> johnny, hellooooo johnny :D
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| 13:53 | <johnny> somebody wrote docs ?
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| 13:53 | hehe
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| 13:54 | akSeya, i don't have a gentoo box available anymore atm
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| 13:54 | thus i haven't had much to be able to work on it
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| 13:54 | perhaps when i get another computer i can get back to it :)
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| 13:54 | * johnny reads the docs to make sure they are correct (or not) | |
| 13:55 | * Lns waves as he's off to the office | |
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| 13:56 | <johnny> hmm.. that stuff doesn't seem right at all
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| 13:56 | i never used unionfs
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| 13:56 | it wasn't necessary
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| 13:56 | yes.. stuff should be read only tho akSeya
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| 13:57 | altho with less annoying erroring
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| 13:57 | the author of that document should get in touch with me asap.. as they obviously didn't know what he was talking about
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| 13:57 | <akSeya> :-O
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| 13:57 | <johnny> that is waaay more instructions than is required
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| 13:58 | if the ltsp-build-client thing doesn't work.. that is what should be fixed
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: can you paste your lts.conf params from the working setup?
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| 13:58 | <johnny> most of the rest is taken care of by the buildscript iself
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| 13:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: define "working" :)
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| 13:58 | <johnny> akSeya, so.. you've gone through waaay too many steps :)
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: in the etyack sense
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| 13:58 | :)
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| 13:58 | <johnny> perhaps somebody can give me some remote machine to use
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| 13:58 | so i can fix that.. and redo the document
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| 13:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> the lts.conf I just had taken the Xorg.7.conf I booted to? I can do that :D
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| 14:00 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "lts.conf er Gadi" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/397
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| 14:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> s/er/per
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> stgraber: LOL
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| 14:01 | <johnny> ok i asked for the author of that page to find me here to see if we can shorten it up
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| 14:01 | <akSeya> ;)
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: is serial an ok approach?
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| 14:01 | <johnny> if somebody can get me a decent remote gentoo box where they are willing to do the client testing.. i'll get back to work on this thing
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: I know less how to help with usb
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| 14:02 | if things dont work
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| 14:02 | <akSeya> johnny, well..
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| 14:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: USB would be PREFERRED, but serial is a fine stop-gap measure
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| 14:02 | the monitor has both
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| 14:03 | but won't that require driver installation/reference?
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| 14:03 | <akSeya> johnny, the problem is that this server is up and running other services too
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| 14:03 | <johnny> sure.. it would have to be a new box
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| 14:03 | or a vm
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| 14:03 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hey
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| 14:04 | sbalneav: looks like you got someone from my company calling you ? ;)
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| 14:04 | sbalneav: just had jean-guy asking me if I knew someone from Legal aid manitoba ;)
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> hehe
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| 14:04 | So, lets set up a social call :)
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| 14:04 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "put in: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/XS95-touchscreen" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/398
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> Plan the next BTS :)
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: do that
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| 14:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: rgr
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: and install xserver-xorg-input-elographics in the chroot
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| 14:06 | <akSeya> johnny, but there is something seriously wrong here.. tmp !rw, home !rw
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| 14:06 | <stgraber> sbalneav: sounds good :)
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| 14:06 | and yeah for an hackfest, always ready for some hacking.
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| 14:06 | <ogra> BTS !!!!
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| 14:06 | <stgraber> ogra: you coming this time aren't you ? :)
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> I get a feeling the conversation may head down a path that the salesman might not anticipate :)
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| 14:07 | <ogra> stgraber, i hope so ... unless anything else business related comes in my way i will
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| 14:07 | <johnny> akSeya, /home shouldn't be rw
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> I was having to bite my tongue from laughing.
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| 14:07 | <akSeya> johnny, not even for root?
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| 14:07 | <johnny> tmp is tmpfs .. in my setup anyways
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| 14:07 | no
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> brb
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| 14:07 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: you got Jean-guy on a sales call?
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| 14:07 | <johnny> their setup overcomplicated everything
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| 14:07 | <ogra> stgraber, there is the maemo summit end of october i will likely have to be
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> "So, have you heard of Reveloution Linux"?
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| 14:07 | <johnny> the default setup actually doesn't use unionfs
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| 14:07 | * CAN-o-SPAM dies laughing | |
| 14:08 | <sbalneav> (me) mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe :)
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| 14:08 | <johnny> it uses tmpfs bind mounts
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| 14:08 | <CAN-o-SPAM> thats like when johnston tried to accuse me of asking if he knew what LTSP was? lol
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| 14:08 | <johnny> akSeya, if you just run ltsp-build-client, it should work , once you have the rest of the things setup
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| 14:09 | the only modification you have to do is enter the chroot and add your nic modules to the genkernel initramfs
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: Later on in the year, I might want to buy one of the atom workstations you've got.
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| 14:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: wear a pretty dress and your best makeup, then talk to rcc :)
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| 14:09 | <johnny> and that is only ecause there is no easy way to pre add it to genkernel's setup.. been waiting for them to fix it
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| 14:09 | <akSeya> I had a problem with ltsp-build-client.. can't remember what it was...
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| 14:10 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: did we get any video footage from BZ? I did see a couple "tweets" about it!
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| 14:10 | <johnny> well.. that is somethign i might be able to fix
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| 14:10 | altho i can't generate the digests
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: Yeah, I got the whole talk on video.
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| 14:11 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: posted somewhere?
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> Not as of yet. Do you want me to youtube it?
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| 14:11 | <CAN-o-SPAM> oh absolutley ... i want to show the world the breakfast chef talking LTSP
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: Speaking of the godfather of soul, how was the wedding?
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| 14:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> zomg this is weird. in chroot, can't get online :(
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| 14:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: very nice, thanks for asking, i will forward your regards
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| 14:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> chroot = on server, chrooted
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| 14:12 | <akSeya> johnny, is there anything I can do for you?
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| 14:12 | <johnny> sure.. try to run ltsp-build-client.. and tell me where it fails
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| 14:13 | <akSeya> ok
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| 14:13 | <stgraber> sbalneav: ready for some breakfast cooking again ?
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> We were down in BZ, figured we'd phone the cell during the vows, see if he'd answer. I had dibs on "yes" :)
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| 14:13 | <johnny> if gentoo were to ever make baselayout2 the default.. that would help many problems too :(
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Yessir!
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| 14:13 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hahaha, oh that was a good bet
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| 14:14 | <stgraber> sbalneav: nice, let's just hope we'll get a better weather than the last time and it'll be perfect
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> "I d.... Hold on, I have to take this..."
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| 14:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hahaha
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| 14:14 | <akSeya> johnny, it's unpacking stage3
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Bad weather encourages more hacking. Or more drinking. Not sure which
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| 14:14 | It's academic, really :)
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| 14:15 | <akSeya> builng kernel
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| 14:15 | <stgraber> sbalneav: bah, I can hack even with good weather :) would be great to see at more than 2m when visiting the national parc
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| 14:16 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ya ... that was a bummer instead of Nova Scotia ... it was No Scotia
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| 14:16 | <ogra> better than "No Scotch"
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> stgraber: ah, but there's something nice about sitting by the sea with mist in your face.
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| 14:18 | * ogra loved the weather at BTS | |
| 14:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, all. Question about dns references: I am able to, outside of chroot, ping normally, but inside chroot, DNS is not working properly.
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| 14:21 | I have never seen this before
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| 14:21 | <johnny> do you have an /etc/resolv.conf ?
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| 14:22 | if so.. does it contain useful information?
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| 14:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> in /opt/ltsp/i386 or /etc/resolv.conf?
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| 14:22 | <johnny> chroot
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: jaunty?
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| 14:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: yeah, jaunty
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| 14:23 | johnny: it has what should be working, which is comcast primary and secondary...
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
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| 14:23 | there was a bug that made it chmod 000
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| 14:23 | that has been fixed
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| 14:23 | <johnny> ah
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| 14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm. doesn't look like it: -rw-r--r-- resolv.conf
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| 14:26 | <akSeya> johnny, it is still building the kernel.. i'm going to do some smoke outside.. be back soon ;)
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| 14:26 | btw... is there a generic simple guide ?
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: then, you do not have routing set up properly
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| 14:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 14:33 | gadi: ok, finished up, put XS95-touchscreen in the right place, installed xserver-xorg-input-elographics... mouse no workie
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| 14:34 | also: plugged in with serial instead of usb
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> ok, getting closer
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| 14:34 | :)
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| 14:34 | cn you paste the log file
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> sure
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> in that setup?
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> were there any changes that needed to be made to lts.conf?
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> did you add the USE_TOUCH and friends?
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| 14:35 | <akSeya> johnny, http://pastebin.com/d2a9e58c5
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| 14:36 | johnny, now it just failed the extra packages
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| 14:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: yes, but no configure_x
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| 14:37 | <johnny> akSeya, do --quickstart-verbose and --quickstart-debug to that command
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| 14:37 | so you'll see where it is actually failing
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| 14:38 | <akSeya> johnny, do I have to remove x86 directory?
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| 14:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: once I turn on configure_x, the screen freaks out and gives me half-blue on the bottom
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| 14:38 | totally freezes too
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| 14:38 | no switching terminals
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: remove CONFIGURE_X_COMMAND
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| 14:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> rgr
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> we're not gonna use that way
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| 14:40 | PS: I have to leave in 3 minutes
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| 14:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 14:42 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPER_" pasted "for Gadi: Xorg.7.log" (1012 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/399
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| 14:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: there'
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| 14:42 | s the log
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| 14:42 | it booted fine
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| 14:42 | no mouse
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: did you install the elographics or the evtouch driver in the chroot and update the image?
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| 14:44 | <stgraber> sbalneav: do you have a more recent lts.conf somewhere or should I go ahead and work on the one in the branch (I see a few missing parameters, mainly because of me forgetting to add them :))
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| 14:44 | <johnny> akSeya, yes
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| 14:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: aptitude installed xserver-xorg-input-elographic
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| 14:44 | alsu updated image ;)
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| 14:44 | s/alsu/also
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> and did you set X_TOUCH_DRIVER
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| 14:44 | and X_TOUCH_DEVICE
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| 14:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: in lts.conf? negative
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| 14:45 | what's the device supposed to be? I got the driver already...
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> for srial: /dev/ttyS0
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| 14:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: x_touch_maxx et al need to be specified as well
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| 14:47 | also, what's USB (just for SNG)
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> USB would be something like: /dev/input/event4
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| 14:47 | or some such
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| 14:47 | based on your earlier post
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| 14:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: good luck
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| 14:48 | be back in a while
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| 14:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: thx :)
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| 14:49 | <hgrover> stgraber: Gadi told me to ask you for help
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| 14:49 | <stgraber> ah, what's the problem ?
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| 14:50 | <hgrover> that's what we're trying to figure out. we know it's not entropy, he was having me screw around with nbd settings
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| 14:51 | <hgrover> i told you about the just of the problem earlier, that is that on thin client boot, we get just a blinking cursor
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| 14:58 | <akSeya> johnny, http://pastebin.com/m57ea7a53
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| 14:58 | <Lns> http://www.green-technology.org/green_technology_magazine/greenbay.htm
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| 14:58 | mention in there of thin clients =)
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| 14:59 | <akSeya> johnny, I added svg to quickstart/profile.qs at line 101 now .. lets see
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| 15:02 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Go ahead, work away.
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| 15:09 | <johnny> svg ? hmm
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| 15:09 | oh.. sure.. go ahead.. i'll commit it if it works
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| 15:09 | i gotta go eat foods bbiab
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| 15:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM> the only thing i eat is windows desktops ... bahaha
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| 15:14 | <akSeya> johnny, are you still there ?
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| 15:15 | johnny, ltsp-build-client is using gentoo-sources as kernel.. but on the server i'm using kernel 2.6.30 .. how can I configure it to use 2.6.30 kernel instead?
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| 16:18 | <johnny> ahh.. new dracut is out
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| 16:18 | i think it might be time for giving that a shot
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| 16:18 | it supports nbd now
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| 16:18 | so that means fedora can use nbd too
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| 16:29 | <Lns> johnny: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-12/msg06554.html - heh, "Currently, there are a few Fedora-isms which have crept in just as a result of it being the shortest path to solving some problems, but I'm actively trying to get those out sooner rather than later as well as getting to where I'm using it to boot my laptop."
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| 16:29 | fedora-isms =p
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| 16:29 | <johnny> no big deal i imagine
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| 16:29 | plus.. that post is from 2008
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| 16:30 | Lns, remember ltsp was full of debian/ubuntuisms before :)
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| 16:30 | <Lns> yea
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| 16:30 | of course, i'm not singling fedora out by any means =)
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| 16:30 | just thought it was a funny word
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| 16:31 | <johnny> i'll switch to that as soon as possible i imagine.. since genkernel seems like a dead end (imo)
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| 16:31 | at least the initramfs part..
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| 16:33 | Lns, also.. a gentoo kernel developer has already added patches to dracut
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| 16:33 | so that bodes well
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| 16:33 | <Lns> nice
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| 21:15 | <TuteC> Hello all! Really newbie here, trying to connect a client through a linksys router, with a wireless laptop server. I couldn't find related data on internet, where can I get some info? May I start asking from the basis here?
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| 21:15 | Mi BIOS has LAN boot option, does it need a PXE enabled network card, or that is enough?
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| 21:17 | The server is an Ubuntu 9.04 Macbook, don't know ltsp version
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| 21:20 | REading the docs I see wireless is a bad idea (but it can run up to 54Mbps, am I missing something?). I'll plug it to the router.
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