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Channel log from 5 April 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:08 | <markit> hi, with my setup script I write /etc/resolv.conf, but now in 12.04 I get the error, when I restart dnsmasq: resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolv.conf isn't a symlink, not doing anything.
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| 07:09 | seems that this stuff has changed quite a bit (same error if I just run resolvconf from prompt)
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| 07:09 | I've read a little around with google, but did not got the reasoning behind that
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| 07:09 | any idea? how change nameserver statically without triggering problems?
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| 07:11 | <alkisg> markit: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
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| 07:15 | <markit> alkisg: thanks, but "argh!"
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| 07:16 | <alkisg> markit: I filed a bug report about it, you can put your "argh!" there :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/959037
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| 07:17 | <markit> :))
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| 07:18 | <markit> btw, I do remove the network manager package, don't you?
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> markit: " Reducing the priority since we won't look at this until Precise+1 and there aren't many reports about such issues."
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| 07:19 | So if more people compain, they'll take the matter more seriously, now they think that people don't use dnsmasq
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| 07:19 | No, I don't remove network manager, I leave it for nm-applet
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| 07:19 | From there the teachers can see if the cable is disconnected,
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| 07:19 | the IP settings, can do VPN connections etc
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| 07:20 | <markit> I see.. btw dev are forgetting that GNU is not about desktop only like win or mac
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| 07:20 | they are removing piece by piece the multiuser capabilities
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> It's our responsibility to remind them, so let's see if you comment on that bug report :)
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| 07:20 | <markit> X-Window, a lot of "desktop stuff" that makes run ltsp harder and harder
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| 07:21 | alkisg: ok, let me finish read it and see if I understand properly the issue involved
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> markit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~alkisg => 93 bugs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~markit => 0
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| 07:21 | So no more complains here until you start complaining in bug trackers first ;) :D
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| 07:22 | <markit> you are right, even if I was an active bug repoprer long time ago but got disgusted by programmers reactions
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| 07:22 | but this is another story :)
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| 07:25 | <alkisg> If in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~alkisg you click "advanced search" and check "Fix released" only, you'll see 217 bugs there
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| 07:25 | <alkisg> So even if e.g. 21 bugs won't be fixed, that's still just 10%
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| 07:25 | In other words, it's worth it to file bugs
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| 07:30 | <markit> alkisg: I do agree with you, but even reading your bug I see you repeating the same obvious statements over and over, they are just "defending their code"
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| 07:30 | if you read Alan Cooper books about interaction desigh, you find this situation well described, for instance :)
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> markit: no, I think you're the one avoiding to spend time fixing bugs
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| 07:30 | <markit> but yes, is the only thing we can do to improve the situation
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> For all I know that person in the bug report is right; I'm the only one affected by the bug
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| 07:31 | So there's no big reason for him to fix it
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| 07:31 | <markit> even if it breaks default behaviour? mmm
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| 07:31 | but let me finish reading the report
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> Default, for people installing dnsmasq
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| 07:32 | <markit> yep, isn't enough?
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> Apparently not, since I'm the only one affected
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| 07:32 | <markit> let's drop dnsmasq package then, no one uses it
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> Maybe people that use it haven't tried 12.04 yet
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| 07:32 | Or maybe they don't use network manager
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| 07:32 | Or maybe they didn't find the bug report to comment on it
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| 07:33 | Or maybe only a few people are using it, not enough to fix it
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| 07:33 | <markit> yep, so they take that risk so lightly? let's break some random stuff when we release ltsp and wait for compnains after release?
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| 07:33 | but don't worry, I will post some "grrr" :)
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> markit: since you don't have network manager installed, we don't have the same problem
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| 07:44 | They are both related to the same change, yes, but not the same problem
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| 07:44 | <markit> I see
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> Your problem is that uninstalling network manager leaves resolvconf in a bad state
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| 07:45 | Or it might be that your script changed /etc/resolv.conf and made it a file instead of a symlink
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| 07:45 | In any case, it's another problem...
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| 07:45 | <markit> more likely, I rewrite it (but should not write to the simlynked file? If I open a simlink and write on it, should affect the linked file...)
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| 07:47 | in any case, debian does not have this change, I think (I run sid), so ubuntu is diverging and that's not good for me
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> No, sed doesn't do that
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| 07:47 | It creates a file instead
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| 07:47 | <markit> ah!
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| 08:50 | <wim_> hi, we have ltsp-server-standalone (5.3.4 - wheezy) up and running with LTSP_FATCLIENT=True. Since a few days we get a connection error (endpoint not connected) and the user home directory is disconnected. The user has to reboot his client to reconnect his home. Has someone got this issue or any idea?? txs
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| 10:27 | <andygraybeal> good morning
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| 10:46 | <markit> alkisg: forgive my ignorance, but in 12.04 I've epoptes 0.5.0, you mentioned me time ago the "dev" repositories where grab "the latest and the greatest", could you please remember me them?
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> markit: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=epoptes
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| 10:47 | Just update :)
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| 10:47 | <markit> oh, lol :)
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| 10:49 | mmm seems I've some networking problem let me check
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| 10:51 | <markit> squid3 was down, so strange
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| 11:06 | <markit> squid3 main process (1253) killed by HUP signal
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| 11:10 | alkisg: sorry to bug you, but seems a bug to me, and I know you use squid as well
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> markit: some teachers here use squid, but not me
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| 11:11 | <markit> oh, so bad (for me), I've found and old bug maybe is now back
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| 11:13 | wondering if removing dnsmasq could fix it
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| 11:54 | <markit> dirty trick, added service squid3 start in rc.local :(
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| 12:07 | <markit> ehm, /etc/ltsp is not present... has config files been moved somewhere else? also ltsp-build-client.conf is nowhere
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> There's no /etc/ltsp by default
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> In some versions ubuntu used to ship /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf, but that's no longer needed
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| 12:08 | As compression=on by default now again
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| 12:08 | <markit> so my script was already broken, lol
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| 12:09 | I "forced" [LOCALE="it_IT.UTF-8" there
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> Well you can run `mkdir -p /etc/ltsp` if you really want to
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| 12:11 | Otherwise make a package that ships plugins in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client etc
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| 12:12 | <markit> sure, just wondering how things have changed
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| 12:12 | btw, I fear NFS will not use acl I've defines for homes, I'll see (I know nothing about this subject)
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| 12:38 | <ncd209> hey there :)
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| 12:40 | I just moved our server.. and I am getting PXE/TFTP E11 on my work stations.. i think i forgot a configuration file ..to do with tftpd any one know what I am looking for
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| 12:43 | <ncd209> /etc/dhcpd.conf == done ... /etc/lts.conf == done .. every thing else is set to the new ip ranges afaik... do i need to ... update-rc.d ltsp defaults
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| 12:43 | \???
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| 12:44 | <markit> just blind shots (I'm not expert): have you rebuild NBD image? recreated ssh keys? ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 12:45 | are services listening?
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| 12:45 | look at the logs... maybe tftp is not correctly started
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| 12:45 | nmap localhost
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| 12:45 | are clients getting the IP (is dhcp working fine?)
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| 12:46 | ncd209: I've no more ideas at the moment :)
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| 12:46 | <ncd209> ok ill check into all what you mentioned
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| 12:47 | i did do the ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 12:47 | <markit> is it just my impression, or ltsp-build-client ignores packages already present in the "host" and downloads them again?
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> It is so, unless you run it with --mount-package-cache
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| 12:48 | <ncd209> markit, dhcpd is giving out the correct ips
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| 12:49 | <markit> alkisg: not found in the manual (maybe I'm blind)
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| 12:49 | <ncd209> sorry its been a while since i dabbled with ltsp ... my brain is operating 0.05 thoughts/per second :)
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> markit: ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 12:51 | <markit> so RTFM has to be changed in RTFM--extra-help
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| 12:51 | better use as default in my scripts, or there are drawbacks I'm not aware of?
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| 12:52 | <ncd209> ah i think i see the problem :( .. there is a dhcp server behind ours and its jumping on that
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| 12:52 | and its not like we ask them to turn it off lol
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| 12:52 | we can ^^
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| 12:53 | <markit> ncd209: there are news with dnsmasq, can act as proxy and provide only tftp boot info
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| 12:53 | proxy-dhcp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 12:54 | see dhcp-range=10.160.31.10,proxy
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| 12:54 | (all this knowledge is only thanks to alkisg mentoring me yesterday, lol)
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| 12:57 | <ncd209> oh no its not .. i am just getting confused here lol
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| 13:03 | <ncd209> hm
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| 13:03 | Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd/usr/sbin/in.tftpd: unrecognized option '--address'
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| 13:05 | atftp-0.7 (server)
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| 13:05 | not sure how this has come about
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| 13:06 | I am guessing aftp is wrong ... the --help does now show --address as a option
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> atftp is another program than tftpd-hpa
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| 13:09 | <ncd209> weird it was not installed at all which does beg the question how on the earth was the server booting its workstations for the last 6 months or more cause that was the last time i saw it
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Maybe you installed something which installed atftp which conflicted with tftpd-hpa
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| 13:10 | aptitude why atftp will tell you
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| 13:13 | <ncd209> no reason to install atftp
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> atftp-0.7 (server) ==> where does that come from?
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| 13:15 | If you have atftp installed without reason, maybe you removed the other package inbetween
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| 13:15 | Or maybe you indeed installed it manually
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| 13:15 | In any case, remove it and stick to the defaults, for easier support
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| 13:15 | <ncd209> it is possible i might of... i do like to try things
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| 13:16 | i /forgotted ;)
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| 13:16 | but yep its removed and back to the real
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| 13:16 | in.tftpd --version
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| 13:16 | tftp-hpa 5.0, with remap, with tcpwrappers
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| 13:17 | now i get tftp..... 5 dots and then E32
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| 13:17 | unable to connect
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> !tftp
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| 13:17 | <ltsp> alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 13:22 | <ncd209> tnx
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| 13:22 | tftp dgram udp4 wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --tftpd-timeout 300 --retry-timeout 5 --mcast-port 1758 --mcast-addr 239.239.239.0-255 --mcast-ttl 1 --maxthread 100 --verbose=5 /srv/tftp
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| 13:23 | i think that might be the problem..
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| 13:29 | well .. that is strange
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| 13:29 | tftpd-hpa is claiming to be running
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> srv/tftp ==> var/lib/tftpboot
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| 13:30 | <ncd209> pwd
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| 13:30 | ^^ it is the real location i have it defined so in /etc/defaults too
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| 13:31 | i just tried to use the tftp-hpa client to get it directly and it just gets stuck
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| 13:31 | <markit> alkisg: your suggestion to use i386 (pae) for the host is really envaluable when it comes for bandwidth save. Wondering if is possible "downgarde" my _64 servers without reinstall
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| 13:31 | or if there is a simple way to "backup users and restore in a new install"
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> markit: afaik, no, it's not possible
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| 13:32 | To backup+restore users I use a sch-scripts tool
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| 13:32 | <markit> I'll dig the source, strange there is nothing "official" in the repository about this issues (everyone reinventing the wheel)
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> Yeah :(
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| 13:33 | In a couple of months we'll have a new "users management" utility ready
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| 13:33 | ...because none of the existing fits our schools' needs
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| 13:33 | <markit> ehm, need a translator? :)
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> Yeah, we'll possibly start it i18n from the start
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| 13:34 | And only keep a "greek-settings" package in greek
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| 13:34 | <markit> that would be wonderful
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| 13:35 | <ncd209> alkisg, getting from 10.51.46.21:/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 to pxelinux.0 [octet] <<-- its stuck like a pig
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> ncd209: since you're using /srv/tftp, check if the /srv/tftp/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 file exists or not
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| 13:36 | bbl
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| 13:41 | <ncd209> well i am royally stuck
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| 13:41 | * ncd209 runs to get a coffee | |
| 13:43 | <vmlintu_> alkisg: what kind of user management tool are you working on?
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| 13:46 | <ncd209> nahahha
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| 13:47 | it was because inetd was not running lol
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| 13:55 | <ncd209> woot :D
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| 13:56 | Houston we have lift off
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| 13:56 | ltsp is so awesome
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| 13:56 | * ncd209 performs a lude act on himself | |
| 13:57 | <ncd209> ;)
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| 13:58 | markit, i thanks and if you can pass my thanks to alkisg as well when he comes back
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| 14:10 | <markit> ncd209: np :)
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| 14:29 | <ncd209> man 100,0000s of workers in this place are raping the coffee supply
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| 14:30 | having a go at getting ltsp + sound to work now markit
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| 14:31 | <markit> I'm not an expert, just collected a tons of suggestions, but I have scarce autonomy in troubleshooting. Here sounds works "out of the box"
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| 14:31 | ncd209: btw, are you with 12.04 and latest and greatest LTSP or just resurrecting an old installation?
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| 14:32 | * markit has unable to have dhcp working... then discovered that the cable was plugged on the wrong port of the server | |
| 14:36 | <ncd209> just resurrecting an old one
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| 14:36 | hehe
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| 14:36 | <markit> mm I've to edit my message in launchpad and don't know how to do, if even possible (I wrote "at" instead of "add")
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| 14:59 | <markit> I'm clueless... I get "bad or missing pxe menu and/or prompt information"
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| 15:00 | but I've no pxe-service defined
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| 15:00 | (I don't even know that is about... never used.. maybe is needed?)
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| 15:01 | let's try to add it
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| 15:03 | mm yep, now the next error, lol
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| 15:04 | <ncd209> heh i just had the same
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| 15:04 | with ltsp-sound.sh
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| 15:04 | fixed the syntax error
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| 15:04 | but I do not know what to do next
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| 15:12 | <markit> syntax error? I've been able to rech ldm login
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| 15:12 | I've dnsmasq though
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| 15:12 | waiting for alkisg to explain this new stuff
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| 15:12 | or some other volunteer here? :)
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| 15:34 | <markit> pxe-service=X86PC, "Boot from local hard disk", 0
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| 15:34 | does not work, it reboots with pxe and returns to menu
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| 15:36 | <||cw> markit: where are you putting that?
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| 15:37 | <markit> at the end of the file, below pxe-service=X86PC, "Boot from network", /ltsp/i386/pxelinux
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| 15:37 | in dnsmasq.conf
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| 15:37 | the menu appears, but if I select "boot from local hard disk" I'm rebooted in pxe boot (and pxe menu again)
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| 15:37 | <||cw> do you have a dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0 in dnsmasq.conf?
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| 15:37 | <markit> I've dhcp-boot=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 15:37 | <||cw> or is this not the standard dnsmasq package?
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| 15:38 | <markit> otherwise pxe was unable to find the pxelinux.0
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| 15:38 | <||cw> what do you have for tftp-root=?
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| 15:38 | <markit> ||cw: standard package with ltsp settings :)
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| 15:38 | tftp-root=/var/lib/tftpboot/
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| 15:38 | "as usual"
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| 15:38 | I could add the /ltsp/i386 there?
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| 15:38 | <||cw> well, mine's not standard. I have dnsmasq on a seperate system than the ltsp
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| 15:38 | <markit> wondering why "old" setup does not work
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| 15:39 | I had all that dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 etc stuff
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| 15:39 | <||cw> tftp-root=/var/tftpd and dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0, you can adjust your paths as needed
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| 15:39 | <markit> let me try
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| 15:39 | <||cw> just keep in mind that all paths in all pxelinux stuff will need to be relative to your tftp-root= path
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| 15:40 | also, do you have tftp-secure enabled?
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| 15:40 | if so, make sure you adjust file ownership, or disable it
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| 15:41 | <markit> mm now path is also took from pxe menu option, lol
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| 15:41 | don't like to have pxe-service=X86PC, "Boot from network", /ltsp/i386/pxelinux <----------- another path setting!!!
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| 15:42 | and why "pxelinux" and not "pxelinux.0"? I've no clue about all this stuff
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| 15:42 | I'm just shooting in the dark
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| 15:44 | <||cw> I dont' know what that setting is, I have nothing like it
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> Yes it's plain pxelinux without .0, that's how the protocol defines it
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| 15:44 | markit: if you have problems, put your config to pastebin
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| 15:45 | <markit> alkisg: thanks, let me do it (I would love a) don't need this added menu stuff b) be able to choose if boot from local disk)
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> markit: are you using gpxe, or the NIC's boot rom?
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| 15:46 | <markit> nicks
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> It should work then, paste your dnsmasq config
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| 15:46 | <markit> I've followed some online example and removed old stuff
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| 15:46 | <||cw> I don't have any pxe-service lines, is that even needed?
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> ||cw: only if you want a pxe menu
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| 15:47 | <||cw> I have a menu
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> That's a new functionality provided only by dnsmasq
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| 15:47 | There are pxe menus and pxelinux menus
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| 15:47 | <||cw> new since?
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Those are different
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| 15:47 | <||cw> ah
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| 15:47 | I have pxelinux menus
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Since May '09, I think :D
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| 15:47 | Yes, that's PXE menu, handled by the NIC ROM
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| 15:47 | Before even pxelinux.0 gets loaded
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| 15:48 | <||cw> k. how's it more useful?
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| 15:48 | <markit> http://pastebin.com/1Zw5V891
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| 15:48 | alkisg: I did not wanted the menu, but without that line I got the error:
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| 15:48 | "bad or missing pxe menu and/or prompt information"
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> markit: why do you define "listen-address"?
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| 15:49 | <markit> I've a 2 nick setup
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| 15:49 | better have dhcp bind to clients
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> # dhcp-option=17,/opt/ltsp/i386 ==> put that one back
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| 15:50 | It's needed by certain clients (depending on their nic rom)
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| 15:50 | dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0 ==> change that to /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 15:50 | And comment out both pxe service menus, if you're not using proxydhcp
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| 15:51 | ||cw: the pxe menu items can be collected from various servers on the network
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| 15:51 | pxelinux can't do that, broadcast its menus
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| 15:51 | <markit> let's see if I get the error or not
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> But for simple setups, sure, everything that pxe menus can do, pxelinux does as well, even graphically with vesamenu
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| 15:52 | <markit> I've again the error of the missing menu
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| 15:52 | that started all this nightmare :(
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| 15:52 | (yes, I've restarted dnsmasq)
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> markit: egrep -v '^#|^$' /etc/dnsmasq.conf /etc/dnsmasq.d/*
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| 15:54 | And again pastebin :)
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| 15:55 | <markit> http://pastebin.com/j7Hmxhu0
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> It should be working... but anyway try to give it a menu: pxe-service=X86PC, "Boot from network", /ltsp/i386/pxelinux
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| 15:59 | You're sure that the correct dnsmasq is running (and not the other ubuntu one), and that your don't have a proxydhcp server in your network?
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| 15:59 | E.g. if the client is booting from another dnsmasq server in proxydhcp mode, it might show that message...
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| 16:00 | <markit> I've a 2 nic setup, clients on that nick and dnsmasq is binded there
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| 16:00 | how can I tell if there is the "ubuntu" dnsmasq running also?
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> ps aux|grep dnsmasq
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| 16:00 | <markit> dnsmasq 3100 0.0 0.0 5396 924 ? S 17:51 0:00 /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -x /var/run/dnsmasq/dnsmasq.pid -u dnsmasq -r /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf -7 /etc/dnsmasq.d,.dpkg-dist,.dpkg-old,.dpkg-new
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> Yes that's the correct one
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| 16:01 | <markit> mmmm
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> And on that switch you don't have another dhcp server running, correct?
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| 16:01 | <markit> yep, is for experiment, I've the switch dedicated to server and only one client
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> OK, try that menu line above
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| 16:01 | <markit> yes, it should work, I was able before
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| 16:02 | but what I dislike is that in the menu I've to specify a path again
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| 16:02 | <markit> (/ltsp/i386/pxelinux)
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> Yeah it's for a different thing
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| 16:02 | The first is for a normal dhcp boot, the second for a pxe service
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| 16:03 | But of course in that simple case both are the same thing...
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| 16:03 | <markit> yep, but is another item to check if something is wrong...
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| 16:03 | in any case, is strange... and also if I do have to have that menu
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| 16:03 | I would love to see if works for local (hd) boot
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| 16:03 | but it does not
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Try pxelinux menus instead of pxe menus, chain.c32 can even select which partition you want it to boot
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| 16:05 | <markit> ok, boot from lan works, lan boot menu appears and the only choice is used
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| 16:05 | ii dnsmasq 2.59-4
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| 16:06 | "Try pxelinux menus instead of pxe menus" means?
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| 16:08 | and all the "old" stuff like dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 dhcp-boot=net:etherboot,/ltsp/i386/nbi.img and dhcp-boot=net:ltsp,/ltsp/i386/lts.conf can be skipped or is needed for OLD pc?
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| 16:08 | (or gPXE)?
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| 16:08 | I've no idea of their meaning, sigh
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| 16:08 | <andygraybeal> i'm having probs with updating or installing java in chroot. any advice?
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| 16:08 | <||cw> markit: it means don't use pxe-service, instead setup menus using the pxelinux.cfg/ files
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| 16:09 | <andygraybeal> i'm using the ltsp-chroot script too. i'm in ubuntu 10.04
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| 16:09 | <||cw> andygraybeal: what kind of problems?
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| 16:11 | <andygraybeal> ||cw, here is a pastie: http://pastie.org/3733801
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> markit: you can send /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 to all clients, I don't think you'll be able to find etherboot clients that use nbi.img anymore
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| 16:11 | <andygraybeal> ||cw, dependency issue.. of which i never understand enough to untangle myself from!
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: don't use upgrade, use dist-upgrade
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| 16:12 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, okay
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| 16:12 | thank you
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> That doesn't mean "upgrade to a new distro version", it just means "I allow packages to bring new dependencies"
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| 16:12 | <andygraybeal> happy-time-dance!
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| 16:13 | thank you t hings are back to normal now.
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| 16:13 | <markit> a
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| 16:13 | <andygraybeal> i'm always so scared of 'dist-upgrade' it soudns so evil.
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| 16:13 | <markit> alkisg: thanks :)
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| 16:14 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, does this include the kernel?
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| 16:14 | or is that seperate and i should run it separately too?
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: it includes the kernel too
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| 16:14 | (07:13:32 μμ) andygraybeal: i'm always so scared of 'dist-upgrade' it soudns so evil. ==> no, "upgrade" is evil, it breaks installations :D
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| 16:17 | <andygraybeal> okay crazy.
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| 16:17 | thank you
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| 16:18 | if 12.04 comes out, will dist-upgrade try to get me to go to it?
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> No
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| 16:20 | <andygraybeal> okay, this is not confusing :)
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| 16:55 | <markit> urgh, 12.04 does not have "admin" but "adm"???? is it a bug?
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuServer
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| 17:00 | Until Ubuntu 11.10, the Unix group for administrators with root privileges through sudo had been admin. Starting with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, it is now sudo, for compatibility with Debian and sudo itself. However, for backwards compatibility, admin group members are still recognized as administrators.
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| 17:47 | <markit> alkisg: yep, reading, thanks
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| 17:47 | so really I'd better test deeply all what I can
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| 17:50 | alkisg: wouldn't be lovely have in ldm login, near hostname and IP, a "F" for fat or "T" for thin?
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> markit: no, it would be better to have all available sessions in "preferences"
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| 17:51 | Fat client session : Ubuntu, locally
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| 17:51 | Thin client session: Ubuntu-2d, server
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| 17:51 | etc etc
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| 17:51 | So fat or thin wouldn't matter until after you login
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| 17:51 | <markit> I see, just an idea to help me know imediatly the situation
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> There would be no difference in this case, there would be no fat or thin client
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| 17:52 | Just fat or thin "sessions"
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| 17:53 | <markit> btw, i've a problem with printers
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| 17:53 | if some error occurs, they go in "waiting mode"
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| 17:53 | until you start them again
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| 17:53 | and that is really hard for teachers
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| 17:53 | wondering if is something you can configure somewhere, and if you have already solved
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| 18:00 | * vagrantc loves the idea of fat/thin sessions | |
| 18:07 | <alkisg> We only need to move pulseaudio to ldm rc.d, and an init-ltsp.d script that puts all the available remote sessions in /usr/share/xsessions/ltsp-something.desktop, with Exec: ltsp-start-remote-session server session
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| 18:08 | <ogra_> sounds like you all are in danger ofdeveloping a bad yo-yo effect
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| 18:12 | <andygraybeal> ogra_, explain yo-yo effect to an idiot, pls!! (i'm the idiot)
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| 18:13 | <ogra_> getting fat because you did to many diets ;)
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| 18:13 | <andygraybeal> oh hahahahaha, okay i get it
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| 18:13 | geesh, that was awful
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| 18:13 | i thought it was a legit programming problem
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| 18:15 | i'm excited for 12.04, i don't care what the haters think. i've been looking forward to it the whole time.
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