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Channel log from 24 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:02 | <Drock> to download the driver and determine the correct device helped me MODULE_03 = evdev
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| 01:02 | in lts.conf
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| 01:03 | but calibration program doesn't correctly work
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| 01:06 | <paras> klausade, hello
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| 01:06 | klausade, i installed debian-edu.. i can see ldm login screen but not able to login.. what might be the problem?
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| 01:25 | <daya> In ltsp client I can
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| 01:25 | can
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| 01:25 | sorry, ca
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| 01:25 | can't login I see the error maximum man memory to use for agp memory:196M
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| 01:25 | what might be the error?
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| 01:40 | <daya> klausade, hi
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| 01:54 | <daya> otavio, have u tried debian edu for ltsp,
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| 01:55 | I have gone thru it , but not able to login in client, ?, although login screen in presented,
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| 06:09 | <jamiejcumbria> In older ltsp versions if some someone just switched off the client and turn it back on this would not cause a problem. But know people have been turning of my clients and I get a message saying there is a panel still running will now exit. Anyone help. I guess ssh Is holding some think open but what and how do I stop it.
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| 06:29 | <Drock> hi
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:43 | <cliebow> Scottieeeee!!
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Morning cliebow!
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| 08:44 | <cliebow> you looked so lonely over there in the corner by yourself
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> *sniff*
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| 09:48 | <youngun> well good morning all
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> lo
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| 09:49 | <youngun> I am trying to get some information
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| 09:49 | about ltsp 5
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| 09:49 | using ubuntu ultimate 7.04
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| 09:49 | can someone assist me in changing the default sign in screen
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> What do you mean? The image used?
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| 09:53 | <youngun> uh idk
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| 09:53 | the big ubuntu screen with only default session appears when a client boots
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| 09:53 | I would like to put a picture on it and offer the choice of gnome or kde
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> Well, if you've got kde installed, it will offer kde as a choice for the sessions.
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> As for the picture, take a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 10:10 | create your own theme, and set up the default link accordingly
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| 10:12 | <youngun> but it doesn't on the clients
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| 10:12 | all it says is default
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| 10:12 | k
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> Do the following
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| 10:14 | /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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| 10:14 | What do you get?
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| 10:15 | <youngun> brb
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| 10:16 | usr/bin/startkde
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> That's it?
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| 10:16 | <youngun> yep
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> ok, so that's the default
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| 10:17 | <youngun> i looked at the themes folder
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| 10:17 | and it says the default is broken
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> you'd have to install both gnome and kde to have a choice.
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| 10:17 | <youngun> but on the server login locally i can choose
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> You have gnome installed?
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> Well, the client gets the output from /usr/sbin/ldminfod to find out what languages and sessions are installed on the server
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| 10:19 | <youngun> k
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| 10:19 | brb
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| 10:24 | ok I looked at package manager and kde core and kde base are not installed
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| 10:25 | i ran the script beryl metaticity aenlightenment and a few others are installed also
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| 10:26 | along with a long list of what looks like fonts
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| 10:26 | or languages
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| 10:27 | well so much for that
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> Installing?
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| 10:28 | <youngun> installing?
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| 10:29 | I was trying to cut and paste the results of the last script
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| 10:29 | it didn't work
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| 10:30 | now I have a big box I have to hit ctl and enter to post msg
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| 10:33 | neer mind I fixed it
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| 10:33 | never seen that b4
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| 10:33 | lol
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| 10:42 | k I installed the 2 packages along with dependancies
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| 10:42 | i wil try it
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| 10:44 | nope still says default
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| 10:44 | hmmmm
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> Well, it will always say default first
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| 10:44 | it's a drop down list
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| 10:45 | On the server, what do you get when you run /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 10:45 | please paste the results to the pastebin
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| 10:45 | !pastebot
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| 10:45 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:50 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra
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| 10:50 | <ogra> morning
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| 11:00 | <youngun> morning
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| 11:02 | i changed the theme by cp and paste changed the default name but it did not load the theme and still no sessions
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| 11:02 | i don't get it
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> Did you run the command I asked?
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| 11:04 | And paste the results?
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| 11:08 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "the results of script" (127 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/230
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| 11:09 | <youngun> yes
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| 11:09 | I pasted the results but was unable to change the theme it said no theme found on the client
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| 11:10 | I don't know how to make a theme so i just cp and pasted
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> do an ls -al /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 11:12 | and paste the results
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| 11:12 | <youngun> k
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| 11:14 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "ls -sl" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/231
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| 11:15 | <youngun> k results are there
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| 11:15 | <sbalneav> That's a stock themes directory
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| 11:15 | Where's your theme?
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| 11:16 | <youngun> i deleted it when it didn't work
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| 11:16 | i don't know how to make a theme
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| 11:16 | i just cp and paste it
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| 11:17 | I was hoping to google making one later but changing the theme may alter the out come
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> ls -la /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme
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| 11:18 | where's it pointing to?
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| 11:23 | <youngun> i dunno
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> umm
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| 11:25 | <youngun> hold on i am pasting the results
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| 11:25 | <ltsppbot> "youngun" pasted "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2007" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/232
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| 11:26 | <sbalneav> ok, so it's pointing at the ubuntu theme.
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| 11:26 | <youngun> yep
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| 11:26 | how do i change that
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:28 | update-alternatives --set ldm-theme /usr/share/ldm/themes/TheThemeYouWant
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| 11:28 | <youngun> threw out bunch of errors
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| 11:28 | can not find name of group
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> paste the errors please
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| 11:29 | <youngun> 114 117 120 and 127-129
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| 11:29 | k
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| 11:29 | <ltsppbot> "youngun" pasted "id: cannot find name for group" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/233
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| 11:30 | <youngun> looks like the user ids
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> You got that from update-alternatives?
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| 11:31 | Are you in the chroot?
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| 11:31 | <youngun> no the sudo chroot
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> are you in the chroot?
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| 11:32 | ls -la /usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 11:32 | Are the themese there?
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| 11:33 | <youngun> yes
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> ok, so you're in the choot then
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| 11:34 | have you cp'd your theme there?
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| 11:34 | <youngun> no I deleted it
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> Then no theme for you, I guess.
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| 11:35 | <youngun> i kno
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> COPY ANOTHER ONE
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| 11:35 | jeepers
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| 11:35 | <youngun> but i was wondering if i cp'd one there will it work
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| 11:36 | k
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> cd /usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 11:36 | <daya> have any one tried ltsp 5.0 in debian,
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> cp -r Ubuntu MyTheme
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| 11:36 | cd MyTheme
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| 11:36 | put in the background.png you want
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| 11:36 | <daya> vagrantc, hi
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> then update-alternatives --set ldm-theme /usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme
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| 11:37 | <daya> vagrantc, still searching for sound support in ltsp 5.0 for debian,
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| 11:37 | vagrantc, I have tried the debianedu, but unfourtunately I can't login in ltsp client , although login screen is presented
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> you'll HAVE to use a png file
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| 11:37 | <youngun> k
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> and it will HAVE to be called background.png
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| 11:38 | <cliebow> OOGA BOOGA!!
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> daya: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ... grab the backported versions
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| 11:38 | <youngun> but it won't let me into the cp part
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> daya: the sound support is much improved.
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> what do you mean, it won't let you into the cp part?
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| 11:39 | <youngun> got it it was a small u
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| 11:39 | lol
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| 11:39 | * ogra smiles at http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3682596 | |
| 11:40 | <daya> vagrantc, I have tried thw lower one with pulseaudio but it even don't able to login,
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> daya: are you using the debian-edu version, or did you install debian-edu ?
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| 11:41 | <daya> in clinet,
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| 11:42 | <youngun> vagrantc
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| 11:42 | <daya> vagrantc, I have installed debian-edu debian-edu20r0-i386.iso
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| 11:42 | <youngun> vagrantc
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> daya: debian-edu 3.0 was just released a couple days ago
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| 11:42 | <|youngun|> sorry
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| 11:43 | vagrantc what sound support youlooking for
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> |youngun|: i'm not looking for it. it works for me :)
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| 11:43 | <|youngun|> oh
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| 11:43 | it works for me too
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| 11:44 | now i am attempting to put together a theme
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> ogra: next time you do a sync from my tree, I fixed a bug in ldminfod.
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| 11:44 | <daya> vagrantc, have u tested the sound support in client, that u provide the steps in bottom, of the wiki
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| 11:44 | vagrantc, I even can't login in clinet
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| 11:44 | <ogra> sbalneav, yeah, saw you did a lot
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| 11:45 | i'll try to get to it on the weekend if i have recovered from jetlag
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> ldm's not stable yet, but I actually got it to change an expired password last night
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| 11:45 | \o/ for me
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> daya: in gnome, sound just worked for me with the newer ltsp packages
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| 11:45 | <cliebow> SBALNEAV:cOOL!
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| 11:45 | WHOOPS
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| 11:45 | <ogra> yay
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| 11:46 | <daya> vagrantc, what was the silly mistake for me,?
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> cLIEBOW i THINK YOUR cAPSlOCK KEY IS ON!!!
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| 11:46 | <daya> vagrantc, ok I will again follow the steps and let u know,
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| 11:46 | <ogra> sbalneav, ARE YOU SURE ??
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| 11:46 | <cliebow> sbalneav:anything besides noacpi come to mind on tht lappie?starts right up with breezy live
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> YES I AM KTHXBYE OMGLOLBBQ!!!!111ONEONE
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> daya: just to be clear, you get a login screen, but can't log in ?
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> cliebow: hmm, dunno
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| 11:47 | <daya> vagrantc, yes
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| 11:47 | <cliebow> sbalneav:actually i always rip the basid off the keyboard first thing..
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| 11:47 | <daya> vagrantc, both in debian edu, and pure debian
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| 11:47 | <cliebow> /basid/bastid
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> daya: can you ssh into the server with the same username and password ?
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> I always remap my capslock to a control key
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| 11:48 | That's the PROPER place for a control key
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| 11:48 | <cliebow> heck with it then..ill use breezy..
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| 11:48 | <ogra> until you type on a friends machine :P
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| 11:48 | <cliebow> ooh that a good idea
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> Where God/Shiva/Vishnu/Buddha/Mohammud/<insert deity here> intended it. :) Before IBM got all uppity and decided they knew more about keyboard layouts than anyone else. :)
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| 11:49 | <cliebow> Ja
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| 11:50 | all i get is a little blinkiing dash..
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| 11:51 | <daya> vagrantc, from tty
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| 11:52 | vagrantc, actually I am now in home, I haven't tried that,
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> Oh, look
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| 11:52 | €
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| 11:52 | <cliebow> ?
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| 11:52 | <sbalneav> I added a euro sign to my e key
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| 11:52 | sweet
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> daya: all the traffic is tunneled through ssh, so if you can't ssh in normally, you won't be able to through LDM either
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| 11:53 | daya: if you have ltsp-server-standalone 5.0.8debian2 installed, it should make sure all the appropriate packages are installed
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> ok, I'm out to lunch.
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| 11:53 | <cliebow> heh me too
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> HAHAHA that's a joke, get it
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| 11:53 | be back in an hour.
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| 11:53 | <daya> vagrantc, is that new one,
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| 11:53 | <cliebow> cya
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> daya: that's the newest for debian, yes.
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| 11:54 | daya: it's what the instructions in the Howto will pull in
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| 11:55 | daya: well, the instructions for the newer packges
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| 11:55 | <|youngun|> sbalneav: how do i copy from my desktop the background.png to the MyTheme
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| 11:56 | it says it don't exsist
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| 11:57 | <daya> vagrantc, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/ltsp-server-standalone is it,
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| 11:58 | <|youngun|> i got it
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| 12:05 | <|youngun|> when updating the alternatives it threw an error
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| 12:05 | i will paste it
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| 12:05 | <ltsppbot> "youngun" pasted "root@servitup:/usr/share/ldm/t" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/234
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| 12:08 | <ogra> you need to use --install not set
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| 12:08 | see man update-alternatives
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| 12:09 | <|youngun|> ok
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> daya: follow the instructions titled "If you want to use newer LTSP related packages (with ltspfs and pulseaudio sound):"
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| 12:16 | <|youngun|> that didn't work either
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> daya: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 12:17 | <daya> vagrantc, ok but I have done it once, but can't go thru, any way I will have another try
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| 12:22 | <sbalneav> |youngun|: back
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| 12:23 | |youngun|: You're still in the chroot
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| 12:23 | you'll have to exit out with exit
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| 12:23 | then, you'll have to copy from your source to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme/..
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| 12:23 | then, you'll have to copy from your source to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme/.....
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| 12:23 | whatever
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| 12:28 | <|youngun|> k
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| 12:28 | i got the png in there it is called background
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| 12:28 | and now it says there is no alternative for ldm
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| 12:29 | <sbalneav> did you go back into the chroot?
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| 12:30 | the update-alternatives command will only work from within the chroot.
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| 12:32 | <|youngun|> k
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| 12:35 | <ltsppbot> "youngun" pasted "root@servitup:/# update-altern" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/235
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| 12:37 | <sbalneav> did you do the sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 again?
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| 12:37 | <|youngun|> yep
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| 12:38 | <sbalneav> ls -la /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme
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| 12:38 | Still pointing to /usr/share/ldm/themes/Ubuntu?
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| 12:38 | <|youngun|> yes
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| 12:39 | <sbalneav> ls -la /usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 12:41 | <ltsppbot> "youngun" pasted "drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 20" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/236
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| 12:48 | <sbalneav> update-alternatives --install /usr/share/ldm/themes/default ldm-theme /usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme 60
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| 12:48 | then the --set
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| 12:52 | <|youngun|> all it does is give me the help menu
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| 12:55 | got it
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| 12:57 | it worked
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| 12:57 | <zodman> hi there i have a problem with a lts clients .......... the keyboard type is too fast ..... anyone has the problem ?
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| 12:57 | <|youngun|> how ever do i have to go through all that when ever I change the png file?
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> |youngun|: as long as you just change the .png file, there's no need to update it
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| 12:59 | |youngun|: if you make a new directory, then you would have to change it.
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| 13:00 | <|youngun|> ok
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| 13:00 | thank you
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| 13:12 | <cliebow> Whoopie!
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| 13:13 | <ogra> goldberg ?
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| 13:14 | <cliebow> i dont know Why i said that..but it felt good!
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| 13:14 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:20 | <cliebow> ogra:any other options that might help a balky hp laptop install??noacpi? no apic?
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| 13:20 | <ogra> that should be nolapic
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| 13:21 | look on the ubuntu wiki, if its an old model you might find info on the LaptopTesting page
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| 13:21 | <cliebow> cool
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| 13:31 | <cliebow> boots with edgy...
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| 13:49 | <dberkholz> ogra: you around here somewhere?
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> He's moving around the show
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| 13:50 | <cliebow> dberkholz, he just had to move from room to room
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> Might be back on in a bit
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| 13:51 | <dberkholz> maybe i'll catch up in the afternoon
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| 13:51 | maybe not till evening
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| 13:51 | sounded like most folks could meet up around 7
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| 13:51 | <cliebow> dberkholz, you there as well?
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| 13:52 | <dberkholz> cliebow: yep
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| 13:52 | oscon is my one conference per year
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> cool! i really miss them..
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| 13:52 | <dberkholz> in part because it's in the same state as me
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> heh
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| 13:55 | sbalneav:you know the definition of a "seagull superintendent " in Maine??
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| 13:56 | 3
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> No, I don't
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| 14:00 | <cliebow> a school superintendent that stays only a couple years before moving on...
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| 14:00 | He "swoops in..craps all over everything..then leaves"
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 14:03 | Thought you yankees called those sorts of people carpetbaggers?
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| 14:03 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Good afternoon...
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> Hey Guaraldo!
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| 14:04 | What's the temperature down there?
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| 14:04 | 33C here
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| 14:04 | (91 F)
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| 14:04 | HOT
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| 14:06 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: It's cold... about 17°C now... but it was about 5° early morning... I'm having some troubles with video streamming on LTSP clients (LTSP 4.2)... The sound is not sincronized... Sounds like a LongPlay in uper-rotation...
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> Yep
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| 14:06 | you won't EVER get syncronized sound in 4.2
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| 14:06 | it used esd
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| 14:07 | which doesn't have anything in it to match the sound to the video
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| 14:07 | it's why we switched to Pulse in ltsp5
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| 14:07 | You guys using Ubuntu?
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| 14:08 | <Guaraldo> yep... I've changed OSS to ALSA, it come better, but only for sond streamming... video streamming is still the same...
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| 14:08 | sbalneav: We use dapper version...
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> How desparate are you to get this working?
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> here's what I'd suggest: there's some great speed improvements coming for Gutsy.
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> I know you'd like to stay on dapper for Long Term Support, but what you could do is, use a gutsy LTSP chroot on dapper, and then just backport some of the sound stuff.
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| 14:11 | <Adune> Hey, I've got some newbie style questions if anyone has a few minutes.
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> but that'll take a few months before gutsy's stable.
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| 14:11 | Ask away, Adune
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| 14:11 | <Adune> I'm a sysadmin in a K-12 school division, and we're looking for a way to re-use some old hardware, so I'm looking at using LTSP to do a PXE boot to linux & use RDP into MS Terminal servers
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| 14:12 | I've installed Ubuntu 7 server on a VM for testing purposes, and I followed the link to the Ubuntu docs for the quick install
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| 14:12 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Thank you, very mutch...
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| 14:12 | <Adune> I have a working PXE boot, but the image created doesn't seem to like any of the local users on the Ubuntu server.
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| 14:12 | I'm desperately trying to find some comprehensive documentation for LTSP under Ubuntu, and I'm drawing a blank
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| 14:13 | Any suggestions from the community here?
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 14:13 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 14:13 | <cliebow> Adune:ogra must have a wiki link for you..
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> The edubuntu handbook's got a lot of info
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| 14:14 | <cliebow> or vagrantc 8~)
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> though i'm not sure that link actually points to more useful information
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| 14:14 | <cliebow> Adune, local users though should just work
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| 14:14 | you tried like ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> Do the terminals get booted?
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| 14:15 | you just can't log in?
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| 14:17 | <Adune> Correct. It seems to boot fine.
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> ok, then yeah, sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys should fix you.
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| 14:17 | <Adune> When I login from the client text prompt I get "Login invalid" returned
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| 14:17 | I've done that, but I'll try it again.
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> What's your server's ip address?
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| 14:18 | 192.168.0.254?
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| 14:18 | <gonzaloaf_work> Hello, is ltsp5 able to replace a ltsp4.2 ? Or is better to wait some time for a migration?
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| 14:18 | <Adune> Do I need to reboot after updating keys?
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| 14:19 | <cliebow> Adune, i dont think so..
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| 14:19 | <cliebow> can those users ssh in to your server?
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| 14:19 | <Adune> Yeah, I SSH'd in from a windows box
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| 14:19 | Should I be using Edubuntu instead of Ubuntu Server?
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: I've been running ltsp5 for a year and a half here
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: LTSP 5 is better at a lot of things, but a little slower.
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| 14:20 | <cliebow> Adune, you Will need a gui
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> And no-ones actively developing 4.2 anymore.
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> Adune: dpkg -l 'ltsp*'
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| 14:20 | Adune: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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| 14:21 | <Adune> Cliebow: So if I'll need to have X installed on the server?
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| 14:21 | <gonzaloaf_work> vagrantc, yes I have noticed that.... I wouldnt say "a little slower" because the slowness is notorious
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> Adune: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 14:21 | <cliebow> Adune, you must have x installed
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| 14:21 | but that is easy
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> well, you must have programs that run on X installed, not X itself
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> Wasn't aware it was notorious
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| 14:21 | <cliebow> ok
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| 14:22 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, vagrantc, what about autologin, local devices and plating audio locally?
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> sound works, local devices work ... autologin requires some patching
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| 14:23 | <sbalneav> Autologin's available today with a patch gadi developed, and will be in by default next version. Both localdev and audio work fine.
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| 14:24 | <Adune> cliebow/gonzaloaf: What distro are you running on?
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| 14:24 | Or what distro seems to have the bulk of the ltsp community?
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| 14:24 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, is it possible to play local audio in ltsp4.2?
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: possible, but not there by default
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| 14:24 | stuff has to be done to make it work.
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| 14:25 | <cliebow> Adune, im still in the dark ages with rhel4 in production..
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| 14:25 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, ok it must be in the wiki right?
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> !sound
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| 14:25 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> for ltsp 4.x
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| 14:25 | <cliebow> and a couple schools are using feisty and ltsp4.2
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| 14:25 | * vagrantc cringes | |
| 14:26 | <cliebow> my laptop is gutsy and ltsp5
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| 14:26 | with a ppc chroot (feisty--or was it edgy)
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| 14:27 | <Adune> Is there a location for more comprehensive ltsp5 docs? The link from ltspbot goes to a few wiki pages with very little information, and no links to complete docs
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| 14:27 | <gonzaloaf_work> here in my university we use ltsp4.2 and it works very well
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> Adune: I told you already, the edubuntu handbook
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| 14:27 | <Adune> THanks sbal, checking it.
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 14:28 | <cliebow> most of my terminals wont boot a 2.6 kernel..so one chroot is 4.1`
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> gonzaloaf_work: thats fine, but be aware we're not developing 4.2 anymore.
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| 14:28 | ltsp5 is the future.
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| 14:29 | <gonzaloaf_work> sbalneav, yes I know, thats the reason because we're planning to migrate, but we dont know when
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> nobody will like the future if the documentation is hard to find
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| 14:30 | <gonzaloaf_work> vagrantc, agree, when I installed ltsp5 for testing it was hard for me to find documentation of ltsp5
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Docs on the edubuntu handbook aren't Ubuntu specific for ltsp5, if someone would like to get them on the wiki, that'd be a great start.
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| 14:31 | <gonzaloaf_work> if this channel woulnt exist, I couldnt make it
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, then we've got two different places where it's documented
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| 14:31 | <Adune> Heh, coming from this cold, I'll agree with the documentation issue. The link from ltsp for 5 for Ubuntu links to a 3 paragraph how to.
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| 14:32 | <cliebow> Adune, one problem is it is evolving faster than anyone can write
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> Could be a common doc.
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| 14:32 | it's in docbook format.
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| 14:32 | I wrote most of it :)
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| 14:33 | <Adune> Well, this is first of all an internal test, then it will be a pilot in one school, and it that goes well, a comprehensive rollout to schools where it makes sense.
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> I just haven't had time to get around to getting it on the ltsp site
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| 14:33 | <Adune> If the school pilot is successful, I'll write some docs as my contribution
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, gettig the edubuntu LTSP docs linked in the ubuntu wiki pages would probably be a good start ...
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| 14:34 | right now, we point people to the quickstart, and that works for a lot of people ... but inevitably, there are other issues that come up
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| 14:38 | <sbalneav> There, fixed
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| 14:38 | !docs
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| 14:38 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "docs" is not a valid command.
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn docs as For the best place to learn about LTSP5, please see the Edubuntu Handbook at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 14:39 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 14:39 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the best place to learn about LTSP5, please see the Edubuntu Handbook at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 14:39 | <Adune> ltsp-update-sshkeys command doesn't give me any visual response, the edubuntu wiki says I should see some text returned showing the dsa & rsa keys were created. Suggestions?
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| 14:40 | <sbalneav> Where's that, on the handbook?
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| 14:40 | <Adune> Clean install of Ubuntu server 7.04, docs I'm reading are http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-updates.html
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| 14:40 | You should see output similar to the following, and your clients will now be able to log in again.
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| 14:40 | pete@edubuntu:~$ sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 14:40 | # Creating dsa-hostkey for edubuntu
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| 14:40 | # Creating rsa-hostkey for edubuntu
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| 14:40 | # Creating dsa-hostkey for 172.29.103.77
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| 14:40 | # Creating rsa-hostkey for 172.29.103.77
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| 14:41 | * vagrantc wonders where the free documentation is | |
| 14:41 | <Adune> Or is the update sshkeys transparent now?
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| 14:41 | <sbalneav> yeah, they changed that. Noted, I'll have to update the docs.
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| 14:41 | yeah, like most unix commands, it now follows the "no news is good news" policy.
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| 14:41 | <Adune> Bleh, any suggestions then on an inability to login? I'm pretty close to just installing edubuntu instead.
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> You didn't answer my IP question
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| 14:42 | what's the ip address of your server?
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| 14:42 | <Adune> Server is 10.10.0.1
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> and do you have an ssh server installed?
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| 14:42 | ps -ef | grep sshd
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| 14:43 | <Adune> DHCP throwing out x.20-250, client is grabbing .250. SSH daemon is running, and I can successfully putty in from a windows box
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> Do you have a "SERVER = " line in your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file?
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| 14:43 | SERVER = 10.10.0.1
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| 14:44 | <Adune> I don't currently. I saw that on some other docs, added that line, and the client hung during bootup, so I removed it again to go back to the default. Let me try again.
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| 14:47 | Added server line, rebooted client, same issue. Any known issues running server/client under VMWare ESX server?
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Dunno, I know bupkiss about vmware.
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| 14:48 | <Adune> I'm going to give Edubuntu a shot, and if I run into more problems, I'll try this on real hardware, not VM's.
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| 14:48 | <cliebow> yes yes
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> basically, whenever people come in here asking questions about running LTSP in vmware, they have lots of problems that are difficult to troubleshoot. that's what i know about vmware and LTSP.
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| 14:48 | <cliebow> i second that
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| 14:50 | <Adune> Overall, don't let that cause you to write off VMWare. We're running a couple linux internet servers http/dns/etc, Netware 6.5, and some 2003 servers under vmware infrastructure, and it's fantastic.
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> i just write off vmware because it's not free software.
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| 14:52 | <cliebow> jammcq likes using it too..it gave me grief when i played with it years back..and ive never come back to it
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| 14:53 | <Adune> If you're in education, the single server good vmware is about 1k. There's also the free stuff they have now
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> free as in cost, not as in freedom
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| 14:54 | <Adune> Well, I appreciate the time from the folks here, I hope ltsp works out for our division.
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| 14:55 | <cliebow> Adune, try edubuntu
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| 14:55 | for surer
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| 14:56 | <Adune> It's downloading now, I will.
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| 15:03 | <cliebow> c ya
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| 17:01 | <lmveloso> Hi ogra, you are my project's mentor.
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| 17:01 | Can we talk?
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| 18:02 | <irule> so is there an ltsp-server-standalone package fr debian etch?
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| 18:28 | <ogra> !debian
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| 18:28 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 18:29 | <ogra> irule, ^^^^^
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| 18:29 | <irule> ok thanks
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| 18:30 | <ogra> (to sanswer short: yes, there is :) )
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| 19:27 | <dberkholz> darn. just wanted to see if he was around
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| 20:35 | <ari_stress> welcome back cliebow_
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| 20:39 | <sbalneav> Eveving all
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| 20:44 | <ari_stress> morning sbalneav
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| 20:44 | oh man, i dont feel like working today
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> !seen ogra
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| 20:46 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ogra> (to sanswer short: yes, there is :) )
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> !seen jammcq
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| 20:46 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <jammcq> ogra: we're heading over near you.
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| 20:46 | * vagrantc hopes to find the LTSP crew | |
| 20:48 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: i'm around, upstairs
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| 20:48 | vagrantc: hanging out with another X guy
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| 20:48 | kinda hoping ogra jammcq et al make a showing
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: i'm still at freegeek
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| 21:17 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: oh, ok.
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: you around the rest of the week ?
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: hey, quick question, you there?
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| 21:24 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yes
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| 21:25 | * vagrantc slightly impatiently awaits the question | |
| 21:26 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 21:26 | <sbalneav> So, if we try to ssh somewhere, and we get the "are you sure you want to connect message" indicating that we don't kave a known host set up....
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| 21:26 | I assume we DON'T want to script a connect, and issue a status message on the terminal, right?
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 21:27 | that's a nice way for the admin to control which machines they use
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> Thy will be done.
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> or can use
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> right
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> but it should probably issue some kind of error message, rather than silently failing
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> and, also for the multi-login idea you had yesterday.
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> like the python ldm did
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| 21:27 | yeah
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> right, I'll issue a status message to the greeter.
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> nice.
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> eeeeexcellent.
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> i sure wish i could get it working on debian
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> Carry on, citizen.
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> i only tried a couple times, but it failed badly.
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> Get what working, the new ldm?
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 21:28 | never has worked for me on debian
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> Dude, you're personal friends with the author :)
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| 21:28 | heh
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> this would be ridiculous if ogra, jammcq and i are all in portland at the same time and we miss each other
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| 21:29 | <sbalneav> Got access to a phone?
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| 21:29 | I know jammcq's phone #
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> don't have long distance really
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| 21:30 | jim's here for a couple more days, at least ... but ogra is leaving tomorrow morning, i think...
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| 21:30 | <sbalneav> Where are you? Want me to phone him?
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| 21:30 | Tell him where you are?
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> 503.232.9350
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| 21:31 | <sbalneav> That's your number?
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> it's freegeek's number
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| 21:31 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll poke him
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| 21:31 | You're carrying the phone?
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| 21:31 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: yep
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| 21:32 | vagrantc: well, through thurs night
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| 21:32 | <sbalneav> hold on, I;ll phone him
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| 21:34 | <dberkholz> it sounded like we were gonna meet up sometime between now and 10
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| 21:34 | but maybe that won't happen
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> Expect a call
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| 21:39 | vagrantc: All he got was a message saying they were closed, so he told me to tell you that he's just finishing up dinner, and will be back at the Doubletree Lloyd centre in 15-20 minutes
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| 21:39 | So, I think we've pioneered a new communications method here
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 21:39 | i missed the call.
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| 21:39 | voice over irc
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| 21:40 | the lloyd center is scary
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| 21:41 | <dberkholz> which part? the ice rink?
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| 21:53 | <vagrantc> all of it
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| 21:53 | ok, so i've got a bike now.
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| 21:53 | i feel like a real cascadian.
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| 21:53 | how am i going to hunt down jim?
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| 21:53 | doubletree is a hotel ?
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| 21:55 | ok, well ... i gotta get outta here.
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| 21:55 | hopefully i'll track y'all down
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| 22:07 | <johnny> hi, i'm getting just X loading, and ldm doesn't seem to be coming up at all
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| 22:07 | i tried looking into the troubleshooting, but ldm isn't even mentioned
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| 22:10 | troubleshooting doc*
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| 22:12 | i just know the user cannot login
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| 22:13 | via console
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| 22:13 | but i can login as the user from my own box
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| 22:18 | omg.. my idiot friend didn't chmod it :(
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| 22:26 | is codebrowse.launchpad.net working for anybody else?
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| 22:34 | <sbalneav> johnny: What are you running? Gutsy?
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| 22:38 | <johnny> feisty .. not gonna upgrade to gusty til it is released
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| 22:39 | well now it's back to normal after chmodding it.. i told him to fllow the directions in that mail you gave me a link to
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| 22:39 | but, he never chmodded it :(
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| 22:39 | i'm gonna give him a talking to
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| 22:39 | when he gets back online
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| 22:40 | i guess now i have to fix up the hostname situation
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| 22:43 | it doesn't believe it's own hostname it seems
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| 22:44 | even tho i have it set in dns
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| 22:45 | <sbalneav> What doesn't beleive it's own hostname? The terminal? It doesn't need to.
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| 22:45 | <johnny> i guess i'll see what happens when i finally get that patched ldm
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| 22:47 | whenever codebrowse comes back up
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| 22:49 | <iMav> has anyone used thin clients from this company with LTSP? http://www.lucidatech.com
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> johnny: it's up for me.
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| 22:54 | <johnny> it just hangs
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| 22:54 | for me
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| 22:54 | from inside here, and from my dedi
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| 22:55 | which is like 1000 miles away btw
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| 22:55 | <sbalneav> try code.launchpad.net
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| 22:55 | which will also work
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| 22:56 | <johnny> yes.. that does work
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| 22:56 | but the url doesn't exist
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| 22:56 | page not found
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| 22:56 | aha.. it lives again.. i got a request for cert this time
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| 22:57 | <iMav> anyone use thin clients from http://www.neoware.com (and/or the before-mentioned http://www.lucidatech.com)?
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| 22:57 | <johnny> oh.. guess not.. back to hanging..
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| 22:58 | <sbalneav> iMav: No, and no
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| 22:58 | <johnny> sbalneav, does this url work for you?
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| 22:58 | https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi@ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3cmatt.zimmerman@canonical.com%3e_Tue_Jun__7_19:59:49_2005_32192.0/ldm
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| 22:58 | <sbalneav> Nope, broken link
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| 22:58 | <johnny> that was in the link you sent me
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| 22:59 | guess i'll find it by browsing somehow
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| 22:59 | <sbalneav> but you changed code for codebrowse, yes?
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| 22:59 | <iMav> sbalneav: ok, thanks. I'm going to be moving my kids to thin clients when I get home...so I want them to be able to have a wide range of designs to choose from (hense my inquiries regarding many different vendors)
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| 22:59 | <sbalneav> codebrowse does seem a bit slow.
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| 23:00 | iMav: I use either Via Eden EPIA 5000 motherboards, or thin clients from www.disklessworkstations.com
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| 23:00 | <johnny> yay via..
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| 23:01 | <iMav> any good sites for interesting mini-ITX cases?
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| 23:01 | <sbalneav> I use some standard black nondescript thing.
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| 23:01 | <johnny> oh oops.. sbalneav i didn't realize they were bzr branch addresses, it looked like it came from a mailing list :)
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| 23:01 | <sbalneav> I'll see if i can find it
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| 23:03 | <johnny> hmm.. i'm here https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp
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| 23:04 | i clicked browse , but i only see a list of revisions, but no link to their contents
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| 23:04 | <sbalneav> cubid 2266 cases are what we use
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| 23:05 | <johnny> perhaps it is only browsable by logged in users?
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| 23:05 | that would be silly
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| 23:05 | <sbalneav> no, click on browse code
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| 23:05 | <johnny> i did
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| 23:05 | and i just come to the list of revisions again
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| 23:05 | <sbalneav> ah, looks like canonical's proxy is down.
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| 23:06 | <johnny> well. i'll look it up tomorrow, now that i know they are bzr branches
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| 23:06 | now i guess i'll try for a few minuts to get the ppc clients to boot
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| 23:07 | <iMav> Is there a tipping point spec-wise for thin clients in regards to performance? i.e. the LTSP Term 1000 description states taht it is unsuitable for LTSP 5.0 due to boot times being over 3 minutes. So, I assume that sub-3000MHz machines are probably not a good choice.
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| 23:08 | uhhh, sub 300MHz, that is. :)
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| 23:08 | my daughter would love the SYM1110. But it's meager specs have me a bit hesistant.
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| 23:10 | <sbalneav> I know performance is fine with the Via Edens, which are 550 mhz
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| 23:11 | As for the 1000, a lot's been fixed with them for Gutsy. Boot times are now 90 seconds or better
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| 23:12 | <iMav> cool. I won't be home till spring at the earliest...so I have time to wait on Gutsy. :)
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| 23:13 | <johnny> i guess i'll have to look into this laterz
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| 23:13 | night dudez
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| 23:27 | <kaos01> anyon eknow how to disable X from starting on the console when using gdm
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| 23:29 | <sbalneav> yep, take a look on the wiki, under the gdm page
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| 23:29 | !wiki
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| 23:29 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
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| 23:32 | <kaos01> ok thanks
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| 23:35 | theinfo is quite limited, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/XDMCP-GDM
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| 23:39 | <sbalneav> Take a look in the [servers] section
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| 23:55 | <kaos01> mm, still no idea
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