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| 09:21 | <nubae> alkisg, ping
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| 09:23 | <alkisg> nubae: i'm in some seminar, i'll be available in about an hour
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| 09:24 | <nubae> alkisg, copy.... I'll wait tll then, wanted to ask about installing vmware inside a fatclient
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| 20:31 | <dgroos> My ltsp server is running 10.04.3 and I want to copy the sources.list from the server to the chroot then update the chroot. I've googled but not found reassurance that this isn't a bad idea. What do you think?
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> dgroos: it's not a bad idea, but you shouldn't have to do it, in 10.04 all available sources (universe etc) should already be enabled in chroots
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> Thin clients don't receive an if-up event on boot, I wonder if LTSP should trigger one to emulate normal boots...
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| 20:46 | <dgroos> alkisg: what I'm trying to do is repeat the uninstalling of games on my other server that you helped me with a couple of weeks ago.
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> You don't need a sources.list to *uninstall* packages...
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| 20:48 | <dgroos> And, I get to the point of reinstalling all of the ubuntu -edu-secondary packages, individually, and it says that it, for example, "E: Couldn't find package did-gnome
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> Wait, wait, why would you have to reinstall?
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| 20:49 | <dgroos> :) it's a bit complex...
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> OK, take it slowly from the start :)
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| 20:50 | <dgroos> I need to remove the game ktuberling, but went removing it, I get the message that it will also remove the ubuntu-edu-secondary packages.
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| 20:50 | So, as a work around, I found what packages were part of ubuntu-edu-secondary...
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| 20:50 | then went to install them with apt-get install (and then all of them)...
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| 20:51 | and thus they would be marked as individually installed.
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| 20:51 | and so even if the package was removed, I'd still have all the packages--it was really a rather clever idea of yours.
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> OK so far, but I didn't yet get the part about why you need to reinstall stuff
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| 20:52 | <dgroos> The prob is that when I try to install them separately I get the message that I can't, so my first thought is that I don't have the correct sources.lists.
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> What's the exact message?
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| 20:53 | <dgroos> in on the server via nx, let me get to this irc via there...
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| 20:55 | <dgroos1> from within the chroot...
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| 20:55 | dia-gnome, inkscape, kalgebra, kalzium, kbruch, kig, kmplot, kstars, ktouch, ktuberling, kturtle, kwordquiz, marble, parley, qcad, ri-li, step, vym
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| 20:55 | oops...
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| 20:56 | Here's the command w/the start of reply...
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| 20:56 | apt-cache show ubuntu-edu-secondary | egrep '^Depends|^Recommends'
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| 20:56 | Depends: dia-gnome, inkscape,
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| 20:57 | Then, as per the instructions I had copied down I entered the command: apt-get install dia-gnome, inkscape, (and all the rest from the list).
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| 20:58 | and got in reply... Reading package lists... Done
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| 20:58 | Building dependency tree
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| 20:58 | Reading state information... Done
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| 20:58 | E: Couldn't find package dia-gnome,
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| 20:58 | <dgroos1> So that's when I started looking into the sources list
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| 20:59 | <alkisg> apt-cache policy dia-gnome
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| 20:59 | In the server + the chroot
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| 20:59 | 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
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| 20:59 | So it's in main, it should be available for installation in your chroot
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| 21:01 | <dgroos1> I did the apt-cache command and it gave seemingly identical results in both main server and chroot...
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> dgroos1: it sounds strange, do you mind if I have a look around myself, to get ideas for what can be wrong?
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| 21:03 | <dgroos1> ah... of course when YOU tell me to try it it works! ;)
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 21:03 | <dgroos1> :D so now that you are on line, let me try again ;)
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| 21:04 | So, this worked: apt-get install dia-gnome
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| 21:05 | <dgroos1> And this didn't: apt-get install dia-gnome, inkscape, ...
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| 21:06 | <alkisg> $ LANG=C sudo apt-get install dia-gnome,
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| 21:06 | E: Couldn't find package dia-gnome,
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| 21:06 | (11:58:01 μμ) dgroos1: E: Couldn't find package dia-gnome,
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| 21:06 | Yes that's what I was just looking
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| 21:06 | No commas allowed there
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| 21:07 | <dgroos1> ah... so I can do a list of things to install, but not comma separated.
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| 21:07 | I *should* have known that :)
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> dgroos1: Yup. Btw, did you see www.epoptes.org? :)
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| 21:07 | <dgroos1> thanks.
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| 21:07 | I'll check!
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> If you see any syntax/grammatical errors, please ping me!
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| 21:08 | It can be installed in parallel with the sch-scripts version that you have
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| 21:08 | (if you don't want to lose the menus for ltsp-upate-image etc)
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> Other than the "server" menu, all other features should be there too
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| 21:09 | <dgroos1> Will do. And will do.
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> ty :)
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| 21:11 | <dgroos1> Grammar etc looks great.
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| 21:14 | I do think it needs an embedded audio of someone saying the word--it's always weird saying a word that you have never heard. The audio would give people a verbal handle on your product.
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| 21:18 | Also, you might want to put the word, (a Greek word currently used to mean overseer) since the linked-to page talks about the "An initiate in the Eleusinian Mysteries;" which fits nicely, I'd say, w/your product!
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| 21:34 | <alkisg> dgroos1: could I put the pronunciation there? it's pronounced "hepoptees", but I don't think this is a correct way to write the pronounciation..
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| 21:40 | <Phantomas> alkisg: IPA :D
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| 21:40 | <alkisg> Phantomas: can someone actually read IPA? :D - or, would you do the honors and put the embedded audio there? Someone told me you have a nice voice... :P
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| 21:41 | <Phantomas> nah, yours is better ;) :P
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| 21:41 | but IPA is just for this purpose :)
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| 21:42 | <alkisg> OK, so how is it spelled in IPA?
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| 21:43 | <Phantomas> http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Βοήθεια:Οδηγός_προφοράς_IPA
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| 21:45 | <alkisg> So, ɛpoptis? I don't think that would help...
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| 21:45 | <dgroos1> alkisg: where?
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| 21:45 | <alkisg> Instead of the audio, to put some text representation of the pronounciation...
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| 21:46 | <dgroos1> That takes skills/knowledge to properly interpret.
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| 21:47 | <Phantomas> here http://www.equipgodspeople.com/lexicons/new-testament-greek/2030/ they say ep-op'-tace
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| 21:47 | but I don't think it's correct :p
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| 21:48 | <dgroos1> And one is left with uncertainty... Perhaps the two of you could sing it in harmony ;)?
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| 21:48 | <Phantomas> here too http://classic.net.bible.org/strong.php?id=2030
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| 21:51 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 21:53 | Phantomas: that second link looks better than the wiktionary one, /me puts that instead...
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| 21:54 | <Phantomas> or we can update wiktionary :p
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| 21:54 | <dgroos1> Don't be shy guys!
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| 21:59 | <alkisg> Meh, /me considers the subject closed since that last page has a pronounciation - Phantomas if you want to update it and put your nice voice there, do so :D
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| 22:02 | <dgroos> The bible link? I'm not finding an audio--where it is?
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| 22:03 | <alkisg> Not audio, just text pronounciation
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| 22:03 | <dgroos> ahhh...
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| 22:09 | <dgroos1> Just tried epoptes via nx using the virtualbox fatclient and I see you have indeed updated it.
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| 22:10 | Simplified and streamlined things--nice.
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| 22:10 | <alkisg> The first part was removing the non-relevant parts of sch-scripts
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| 22:10 | Next part is putting lots of more features there :)
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| 22:11 | So the GUI will be less simple in the future
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| 22:11 | In the left it'll have a group (class) editing list view
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| 22:28 | <dgroos1> bye.
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